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Meta RFCs on Arabic and Romanian Wikipedia[edit]

Hello. I would like intervention from stewards please. Both discussions have gotten longer and lengthier. I'm unsure whether either one needs a closure. However, I need some management please. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 17:05, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: I am not sure that you understand the role of stewards. They have no special role in RFCs at meta, nor do they have an official issue resolution role. These are independent communities that set their policies and processes.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh... My apologies, billinghurst. It's just... Aldnonymous suggested your opinions on those. --George Ho (talk) 16:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I am no longer a steward, so these my opinions based on my experience at a past time. Stewards can have opinions and they should definitely be able to speak. Though people may hear, they often don't listen, and less will they be heeded. So when you ask for an intervention from a steward in a deeply divided or heavily weighted community, and one to which a steward has no power to do anything but to influence, then there is next to no hope of success as people aren't ready to listen, they are not willing to change their perspective, and they see an outsider coming in telling them that they are wrong, and all that usually for a language they do not speak.

Documents that are worthwhile to reference

 — billinghurst sDrewth 02:45, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
This is why I told George Ho to stay out of politically charged RFC, it's almost impossible to resolve, I talked to George why he should stay out of it, because I'm worried he might be mired in these RFCs for a long period of time without any conclusion to the RFCs case.--AldNonymousBicara? 09:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, among other things.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

SRG trolled again[edit]

Hello on Steward requests/Global keep using a soft redirect to Favonian's user page on Wikipedia can you please global block the user for this --209.242.141.24 20:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

SRCU request pending since June[edit]

Steward_requests/Checkuser#Ashishsharma.in.40hi.wikipedia needs attention. I'm currently short of time to do this. Thanks! —MarcoAurelio (talk) 08:58, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Request to move two pages to MediaWiki: namespace on kn.wikipedia[edit]

Hello, in order to fulfill phab:T172894 two pages in MediaWiki: namespace must be edited. Because I was told that local admins are almost inactive, I'm requesting stewards to do it instead of them. Please move w:kn:User:Martin Urbanec/MediaWiki:Newuseredit-summary and w:kn:User:Martin Urbanec/MediaWiki:Newusermessage-template to MediaWiki namespace at kn.wikipedia. Thank you in advance. I know that the header tells this is not a place for stewards request, I was told to use noticeboard by Tegel on IRC. --Martin Urbanec (talk) 15:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Ruslik (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Unified login..[edit]

Any steward may want to take a look at Ticket:2017071210017773.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 06:05, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Can you move to our queue? I am not able to access it--Shanmugamp7 (talk) 20:20, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
@Shanmugamp7:--Face-tongue.svgEven I am now not able to access it.Some other user has probably locked the ticket.Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 08:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Even if other user has locked it, we should be able to see the ticket if we have access to the queue. @Krd: can you please check this?-Shanmugamp7 (talk) 14:09, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I moved it to the stewards queue. It was in volunteers-otrs. --MF-W 18:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

INeverCry/Daphne Lantier[edit]

@Billinghurst:, @Trijnstel:, and to whom it may concern. I just want to let stewards know that while I was an admin at Wikimedia Commons under the sock account Daphne Lantier, the 80,000 log actions I performed were all legitimate and conscientious. I followed policy and didn't do a single log action that was bad or questionable in any way. If someone can let Commons admins and crats know this, I would appreciate it. I don't want to see anybody there wasting time looking for something that isn't there. They'll have plenty of work cleaning up my actions of tonight, but that was just a sendoff gesture. It was the only time I abused the tools as Daphne. I'm telling you this for the benefit of the admins and editors I like at Commons. Good night. Take care. lNeverCry 06:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I know you are a good admin (clarification) when you don't overreact; that's why I did not publicly advertise your at-the-time-almost-100%-sure socking. Unfortunately, secrets cannot be kept forever. While randomly talking with another Commons admin on IRC on August 8, our suspicions of your sockpuppetry was spoken of, and the discussion was heard and participated by the one who actually cared to file an RfCU (which we did not expect). --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 07:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Stewards' use of global lock rather than community bans[edit]

Again the stewards appear to be using a global lock as a means of control that seems outside of the criteria described for global locks. It is not stewards' task to circumvent each community's ability to manage their users as they seem fit, nor to prevent users of standing from editing in a way that they believe is an inconvenience to them, or someone is causing a bit of a problem. Stewards have not been elected to put in place false global blocks, and they should refrain from taking on that role unless someone is clearly a crosswiki vandal or has been banned by one of the two existing processes.

So I ask those stewards who have put in place locks recently to review their actions, to civilly deal with those matters, and if they believe that a global block is required, then utilise the process for a ban. These wikis need to act on consensus, not with authoritarian actions, no matter how pissed off you may be with someone else's actions. I ask stewards to collectively discuss matter and reach some consensus on the use of locks and global blocks, and put that forward to the broader wiki community. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:42, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

You have some specific case(s) in mind? Ruslik (talk) 07:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
@Ruslik0: I think they are referring to the INeverCry case. I saw some stewards locking INC's socks due to being INC. If this case is what billinghurst is referring to, then I would agree with billinghurst. Currently, INC's interest is only to sock and troll Commons and enwiki, which is not cross-wiki. Unless they suddenly troll lots of other wikis as well, the two communities can handle the case by their own. If they want to globally lock the socks, then make a global community ban, or wait the WMF to make the ban themselves (or both). Poyekhali (talk) 08:13, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Ruslik0, this sort of thing has been discussed previously, and you and at least one other steward are heavy-handed in use of lock on users on the borderline. It is should not initially be up to the community to hold each steward accountable for the use of the lock, the steward community should be doing so, and I would hope that borderline cases have been discussed privately rather than unilaterally undertaken. If the steward community isn't undertaking their review, then the community should be here to remind you. Such a reminder can be done generally and allow for a review of actions; or we can publicly point to specific cases and cause an argument. I would hope for the stewards to be able to privately review and discuss their alignment of actions with policy.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:55, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't see this as a steward-enforced community ban since both the "master" accounts remain unlocked. It has been standard practice to lock sock accounts while leaving the master unlocked in cases like this. --Rschen7754 16:53, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I agree that socks accounts created for pure disruption can be locked. However currently there is no intention to lock the main account of INC. Ruslik (talk) 18:11, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I didn't say anything about INC's case.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:05, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Which case are you referring to then? --MF-W 14:17, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Preclude Cekli829 from running in some future steward elections[edit]

There is no consensus for this proposal; could a steward close this? --Rschen7754 17:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W 14:18, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Prerequisites for an unlock[edit]

I have familiarised myself with all the rules and guidelines and do not ever plan on abusing multiple accounts of disrespecting any other contributor in the future, I have thoroughly studied all guidelines of conduct and do not intent on breaking any wikiquette ever again. I request that you unlock my account as I pose no harm to any project anymore nor am I planning such. If you would unlock my account I would remain blocked on various projects and will request unblocks on the terms and conditions of those respective communities in due time but will like the chance to contribute positively to other projects such as the Dutch Wikipedia to showcase that in fact I am not here to disrupt and regain the trust of the communities of where I am presently excluded.

If there are any concerns or prerequisites I would like to hear them so I can address them, thank you for your time.

Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. --2405:4800:148C:AAB1:940A:4502:A5EF:39CF 08:24, 21 August 2017 (UTC) (Donald Trung)

On what grounds is this user locked? Please describe how this user fits under the guidance of global locks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:08, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
They're locked for crosswiki abuse, including the impersonation of an enwiki admin and the creation of accounts with usernames attacking another user. Since their block and lock, they've been incessantly canvassing for unblocking/unlocking across multiple venues, including user talk pages on multiple projects, numerous emails to enwiki ArbCom, enwiki UTRS, this page and elsewhere. —DoRD talk 14:23, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
@DoRD: that request should have been ruled out of order and should have been rejected. Global lock use is defined and should not be subverted. A user's behaviour on enWP should be managed by enWP, not by stewards. Where has there been a conversation at meta explaining to the user that their behaviour is unacceptable and the consequences of that? The correct methodology is not a lock on all accounts, it is locks on socks, and leaving the primary account where person has standing in a community, eg. nlWP. It is not the stewards role to block someone from contributing in their community. This is a long established process.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:35, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
As a former steward, I'm sure that you're more familiar with the proper application of locks than I am, but this seems to me to fall under Accounts that have been used only for vandalism or abuse on multiple wikis and are actively vandalizing now or obviously are otherwise being disruptive on multiple wikis are candidates for a global lock (emphasis mine). If I'm mistaken, please explain so that it can be avoided in the future. Thanks —DoRD talk 14:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
(ec) Which was not all the accounts. Leave the primary, lock the others. Engage in natural justice with the primary account, and firmly inform them of the consequences of future action. It is not meant to be an execution AND it is not meant to be a means to exclude someone from useful contributions, that is the global ban process which exists for the specific person of seeing off a user.  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:01, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
And as a former steward, I would disagree, and I suspect a lot of current stewards would as well. This was never an established user anywhere, and some of the accounts were disruptive. The lock tool prevents further disruption by the unlocked accounts. --Rschen7754 18:13, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
My argument and issue is not been about locking the socks (and how many times do I need to express that?), it is about how the primary account has been locked without natural justice; and letting the communities manage their affairs. The primary account simply does not need to be locked and this is punishment not prevention. Lock the account and throw away the key. And I am comfortable with you expressing your opinion, it is totally presumptive and inappropriate to talk for current stewards.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:01, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Believe me, I really don't want ro be bothering anyone, if I am not allowed on talk pages then I shall refrain from that, I just wish that there was a "Guide to appealing locks", I have no intent on returning to the enwiki any time soon, preferably I would like to spend my time on the nlwiki if I were to get unlocked, in fact I barely have any immediate plans to expand any enwiki article but I've drafted several nlwiki articles. I didn't know that adopting similar usernames fell under impersonation and I should've probably read the username guidelines first. I admit my mistake and there is no chance of it repeating in the future. --2405:4800:148C:AAB1:811B:7305:E235:9FEC 14:53, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
And the only reason I "spammed" the stewards' talk pages before was because I had no idea that this noticeboard existed. --2405:4800:148C:AAB1:811B:7305:E235:9FEC 14:56, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Donald Trung, just learn to be quiet for a period of time. This will take some discussion, and you need to realise that your verbal diarrhoea is problematic. More listening, less talking!  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)