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To be archived[edit]

The archiving tool is not set up in the standard way. Probably all the archives here need cleanup. I do not have labor to commit to this now, so I am going to cap the 2014-2017 discussion here. This entire collection of discussions needs cleanup to conform to the normal standards of talk page archives. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Brazil Next steps discussion is missing your participation[edit]

Thank you for starting the discussion on the page Talk:Affiliations Committee/Brazil Next Steps.

Please, do not forget to follow the discussion. It is been a while and nobody from AffCom commented. It would be nice to at least refer if we are going to have an answer or not. I don't know if members of AffCom were notified about the discussion and maybe that is why you are not there. So, I am reporting here. Regards.—Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 16:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll second this concern, it would be very constructive to have input from Affcom members on that page. Chico Venancio (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Why is that page almost abandoned? Wasn't it created to be a place where questions could be asked by the community, and answers would be provided by the AffCom?--- Darwin Ahoy! 21:46, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Another week has gone by. Should we expect any involvement from Affcom or WMF? Chico Venancio (talk) 18:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

2 more weeks have gone by and we still have radio silence on most issues. Chico Venancio (talk) 18:42, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikimedia community in danger, Wikimedia Portugal in distress[edit]

See thread Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

Whenever any Wikimedia affiliate is in trouble, every Wikimedia affiliate is in trouble. We all depend on each other. If anyone fails the responsibility for blame includes the WMF, AffCom, and each Wikimedia affiliate in proportion to its resources.

Whatever is happening with Portugal is unfortunate for us all. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Lack of conversation on issues related to Wikimedia affiliation[edit]

The trouble with Wikimedia Portugal could be a signal of a more systemic troubles. Here are some issues I see -

  1. Lack of on-wiki discussion forums about Wikimedia affiliation
    1. The lack of activity at this talk page, which is the natural center of discussion and seemingly ideal place for archival records
    2. The lack of any other central repository for reporting, sorting, and addressing claims
  2. Although the wiki community needs a place to speak, it also needs whatever liberty encourages open discussion
    1. AffCom and related powers control funding and the destiny of entire cultures - this creates a chilling effect around surfacing problems
    2. So far as I know there has never been any public discussion about conflict of interest in relationships between the Wikimedia Foundation, AffCom, and the Wikimedia affiliates
    3. There are lots of reasons to believe that people cannot speak freely even when they have problems which Wikimedia community infrastructure could address and support.

I do not see what will resolve the challenges with Wikimedia Portugal but I expect that part of the solution is open and transparent conversation. It is not appropriate to only surface problems when they have grown to be huge, out of control, desperate, and a global problem for all Wikimedia community groups.

Just curious, is anyone else aware of any other Wikimedia affiliate having any challenges, questions, or concerns about the affiliation process but which are not on this talk page?

We have a community of 10s of 1000s of members. Is it truly correct that on this page, which seems to be our highest and most authoritative record, that there was 1 comment in 2018, 3 in 2017, and 1 in 2016? I strongly suspect that every year thousands of Wikimedia community hours go into bureaucratic processes related to AffCom. Everyone in the wiki world knows this organization. Everyone is keenly aware that this organization is intimately tied to community groups making grant requests to the WMF and those grants making wishes come true.

Is there anyone who thinks the Wikimedia community could be lacking for things to say on the matter of affiliation? Is that the reason for the lack of discussion here and seemingly elsewhere? Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Medicine seeking to become a Wikimedia thematic organization[edit]

While I am here for Portugal and asking about conversation on this AffCom page I should share the news I have.

Wiki Project Med is a global multilingual community of Wikimedia contributors on all Wikimedia projects who develop content related to medicine. This organization is currently seeking AffCom recognition as a Wikimedia thematic organization.

The request was made before Wikimania 2018 in South Africa. The application is at Wiki Project Med/Application.

If any individual can give review or support to this group transition from user group to thematic organization then please sign off on the application. If any Wikimedia chapter can review and endorse collectively then that would be most welcome. There seems to be no established process for this. I think that there have been no new chapters or thematic organizations since about 2013, so hopefully this medicine application can be part of a process for determining a process of review for affiliation. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)