- This is a talk page for discussions related to the most recent (Wikidata-based) WikiCite proposal. For discussions on the legacy (pre-Wikidata) proposal see Talk:Wikicite (pre-Wikidata) and Talk:Wikicite (2006 proposal).
Who organizes the post 2016 event series?
- I replied there and assume that the post-2016 events are to be organized by roughly the same people, though help from others would of course be welcome. -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 13:01, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
WikiCite submission(s) to Wikimania 2018
Let's write the landing page text!
This is the homepage for the WikiCite project. Unfortunately since the establishment of the project there has been no introductory text published. Without introductory text or a landing page projects seem more closed, newcomers have challenges joining, and the general Wikipedia community cannot develop informed opinions about the project in itself or in the context of its relationship with other Wikimedia projects.
In November 2018 there will be the third WikiCite conference. A goal for this conference should be developing basic documentation about the project. I have some suggested text here -
|proposed description of WikiCite for general audience|
Contributors engaged in developing WikiCite typically seek to design bibliographic data models and to ingest bibliographic databases into Wikidata and to develop that information by annotating it and cross-linking it with other items in Wikidata. You can join! Challenges include identifying databases, getting the data, executing the import, verifying accuracy of content, disambiguating the authors and organizations which citations credit, and developing the citations in new ones by interconnecting their elements to other databases or in-wiki cataloging. Various tools can remix and visualize information from WikiCite, such as by presenting insights about publications from a researcher, university or region. The only connections between WikiCite and individual Wikimedia projects are experimental, so there is not social permission to - for example - routinely generate citations in Wikipedia from the WikiCite content in Wikidata. There are countless tasks for persons at all skill levels to do with WikiCite. Technically simple tasks include disambiguating authors and institutions or manually entering citations. More complicated tasks are similar but scaled up with automation.
WikiCite participants become excited about the project by imagining citations in a way that makes them radically more useful than they could have been before the advent of internet. For example, in the paper age a citation for a research project would name the authors of the paper. WikiCite aims to connect a publication to all persons involved in research, and to their institutions, sponsors, other research publications, research outcomes, citations in other literature, an analysis of the nature of citations, and whatever other information is public and implicit in a citation.
Various Wikimedia projects and proposals have sought to accomplish what this current iteration of WikiCite is advancing. The current WikiCite project began in 2016, but various people have used the term "WikiCite" since 2005 and many Wikimedia community members have participated in discussions or efforts to build an interconnected citation database for Wikimedia projects and beyond. Credit for WikiCite goes to 10s of highly engaged Wikimedia participants, 100s of rather engaged Wikimedia and off-wiki contributors, and 10,000s of individuals who have made some labor contribution to the project either by editing citations in any Wikimedia project, or by editing Wikidata citation content, or speaking up in any of the many community conversations about this which have been ongoing since the establishment of Wikipedia.
This text is the kind of information I want to see. It has not gone through the wiki community review process. Someone came to me and suggested that in the lead up to the WikiCite conference, too many people could fail to understand the wiki process and assume that all of this information was the product of consensus. Some people have found this text to be controversial. I posted the text mostly alone except from what I copied and pasted from elsewhere and mixed into this. The alternative to showing this text is continuing with the outreach strategy of the past three years - having almost nothing - which is a problem too, but I agree that "failing to inform" could be better that "incorrectly informing". My real wish is for any text to be here soon, and failing that, for text to come out of the WikiCite conference, and failing that, anything to be posted by March 2019 so as to avoid going another year with silence.
- @Bluerasberry: Just as an observer, I'd prefer to see a first paragraph that describes what WikiCite is, before jumping into what it can be used for. - PKM (talk) 21:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
COI use case
Because reliable sources have to be independent, I'd really like to see automated linking of sponsors and COIs, similar to that done on PubMed, with this metadata surfaced to editors adding citations and to readers reading them. I've made some COI metadata examples on Wikidata. I've seen way too many Wikipedia articles to fix which cite advertisements formatted to look like journal articles (called "sponsored supplements", and usually under the editorial control of the sponsor). This is a serious and invisible problem on the wikis, and it seems to me as though only a source metadatabase can feasibly fix. I understand from DGG that if WikiCite became its own sister project, it could choose fair-use rules allowing it to host the full texts of COI statements (and abstracts), which might make this task easier. Automated mining of COI statements also seems doable, as it has been done (the software license is unspecified open source, so we could ask about reuse here).