User talk:Johanna Strodt (WMDE)

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Welcome! Romaine (talk) 04:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Translation request

Hello, I see you speak a good amount of Plattdüütsch.I was wondering if you can translate "Village in China", "Commune in Morocco", and "village in Indonesia". It is for updating Wikidata. Thanks in advance. --Artix Kreiger (Message Wall) 20:22, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For all the WMDE Technical Wishes pages, the detailed explanations on Feedback talk pages, and for all the work behind the scenes that must be involved in this process.

ToBeFree (talk) 15:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Translation admin

Hello Johanna. I have closed your request for translation adminship as successful and now you have the permissions on your account. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio: Thanks a lot! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 10:16, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Tech News

Thank you for checking in on the Tech News item. I was planning to ping you to sanity check my changes before marking it for translation, but you beat me to it. (: /Johan (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Johan (WMF): That's good to know. Thanks! I wish you a good weekend. -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:00, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Danke

Vielen Dank, dass Sie sich die Zeit genommen haben, auf Französisch zu schreiben (hier [[1]]. Eine sehr schöne ungewöhnliche Überraschung. Viele Grüße, --Msbbb (talk) 22:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Danke, Msbbb! Ich gebe den Dank gerne weiter an User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE), die einen großen Teil übersetzt hat. -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 12:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Expectable improvement on template support in the VE

Hello @Johanna Strodt (WMDE). I just saw your message on the French Wikisource. I quickly asked the community what they think with a summary, I'll report you their feedback later.

I come now with an other side question in mind. In the French Wiktionary, we sometime use template to share simple list of words, between articles. But this stays more the exception than the rule. One key motivation before this spare use of template for sharing list is that it makes contribution harder for now contributors. The French Wiktionnary is already heavily loaded with many template all around, and there is no point to add more complexity to simply add a word to a list. Indeed, the current state of the VE doesn't allow to edit content of templates trancluded in an article directly from the article page. Users can only edit parametres through the modal box, not the content. So my question is, are they some works already planned to allow just that?

Cheers, Psychoslave (talk) 20:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

@Psychoslave: Thanks a lot for asking in French Wikisource! About your other question: We know it's not easy to use the modal at the moment, which is why we will improve it soon. We hope the changes from that improvement project will help with your situation as well. If your problem is about something else entirely, it would help me a lot to see an example of a page and a template where the problem occurs. -- Thanks, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 14:37, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, here is an example : triumvirat. As you can see, the section Vocabulaire apparenté par le sens is mostly a table with a list of terms of similar meaning along the number of people designed. And the template here simply allow to share the same list between all these terms. Note that, for this kind of use case, this wouldn't require a recursive "edit content of template" feature. Cheers, Psychoslave (talk) 04:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@Psychoslave: Thanks for the explanation, that was very helpful. As you can see in the source of the template, this is a very simple type of template, without any parameters – it is merely a table that can be transcluded onto other pages. If the wish is to have the content of the table editable on each page where it appears, Modèle:régimes/fr should be set up to have parameters. I hope this helped answering your question. — Wishing you a good weekend, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 19:32, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Johanna Strodt (WMDE), thanks for your reactivity. Yes, this is a very simple dumb content holder to share information between articles, including, monarchie, duumvirat, triumvirat, …, centumvirat. Could you expose in more details how parameters might help here? Providing the list of value in one of the concerned article won't help, wouldn't it? That is, the topic is not to share the table structure, but to share the table data. That can be done, as it is in this example, with trivial templates without parameters, but at the cost of an increasing complexity in the contribution flow, that is requiring to go on an other page to edit its content.

But maybe I mistundertsood your suggestion, please let me know Psychoslave (talk) 11:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Psychoslave: I'm sorry for my late reply. I just wanted to quickly let you know that I probably won't be able to look into this topic this week. Hopefully next week, though! -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 13:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Great, nothing hurry on this point I think. Psychoslave (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Psychoslave: I'm taking over here for my colleague, to answer you. I understand what you wish for and do also see this as something that would be great to have – not only for Wiktionary but for many wikis. We shortly considered working on this but had to back off since it would be a big, complex project that would be far too big for our small team to handle. I can remember that some people at the Wikimedia Foundation are thinking about this, but so far, the complexity has been too big for them as well. The good news is that there currently are a few projects running that aim to modernize the technical base of Mediawiki (our software) and will make work on bigger projects like this easier. So there is some hope that this becomes feasible to implement in a few years. Sorry that this answer isn't what you (or anyone of us) had wished for! -- Cheers, Michael Schönitzer (WMDE) (talk) 11:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to bring such a thorough answer. 😍

I completely understand this is not at all a priority, especially when it would involve tremendous workload and that in sometime from now sanitized architecture improvements should largely reduce the required amount of work.

Cheers Psychoslave (talk) 11:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Templates @ elwiki

Hello, the community of Greek Wikipedia (el) is interested to have early access to improvements in working with templates. Regards. --Geraki ^T_L 07:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Geraki: Thanks a lot, Geraki! That is great news. Welcome on board! I'll reach out to you once the first deployment is scheduled. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Template improvement in Malay Wikipedia

Hi! Malay Wikipedia (mswiki) is interested in trying the new improvements for templates. We hope that we get the early access too for us to improve our editor's experience. Thank you. --Tofeiku (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tofeiku: Excellent. Yes, welcome on board. I'll reach out to you once the first deployment is scheduled. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Template improvement in Twi Wikipedia

Hello! The Twi Wikipedia community(tw) is interested in trying the new improvements for templates. We hope that we get the early access too for us to improve our editor's experience. Regards,Celestinesucess (talk) 08:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Celestinesucess: That's great. Welcome on board. I'll let you know once the first deployment is scheduled. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Reference Preview on w:mr

Hello Johanna,

I'm responding to your message on w:mr about enabling reference previews early.

I would welcome this and be able to provide/channel feedback in case something goes awry or if other editors face issues. Let me know if there are any steps to be taken from w:mr admins or users.

Thanks,

71.39.48.6 16:01, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

admin, crat w:mr

@अभय नातू: Thanks a lot! That is great. I suggest that you translate the interface to Marathi (link to translatewiki). Also, you can consider adding cite classes to your citation templates to make use of the pop-up headers, see this description. -- Thanks a lot! Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 12:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Working with templates: French Wikipedia volunteers

Hello Johanna

I asked French Wikipedia if they'd like to test VE improvements, and I got an agreement.

I will be your contact for this project. Let me know about the next steps!

Best, Trizek ^{from FR} 06:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Trizek: That's great, thanks! I'll come back to you when the first deployment is coming closer. -- Have a good day, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 12:22, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Template improvement: Hungarian Wikipedia volunteers

Dear Johanna, based on the community feedback, I would like to ask you to include huwiki in the project as well. Please contact me about the next steps. Thank you for your work, Samat (talk) 11:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Samat! I will contact you before the first improvement is released. Its deployment is currently planned for mid-May. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 12:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Johanna, I hope you are doing well. Do you have an actual time plan for the deployment (other than available on Meta-Wiki)? Am I correct that you plan to deploy the improvements sometime in July (on the volunteered wikis)? I am interested in any information about the project :) Samat (talk) 12:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I've just seen Timur's message in the Hungarian Wikipedia. Samat (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Good morning, Samat. Good! Yes, the plan is to deploy the feature today around noon. I'm looking forward to your feedback about the feature! -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Reference Previews at etwiki

The Estonian Wikipedia voted yes to become an early user of the Reference Preview feature. Thank you for considering us. --Vihelik (talk) 09:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Vihelik: That's great news! Thanks a lot and welcome on board. I'll post another message in your wiki a few days before the deployment. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 12:21, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Re: Make working with templates easier: Does English Wikivoyage want to have early access to several improvements?

Johanna, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. There seems to be no objection on Wikivoyage to getting these improvements early, if that's still possible. LtPowers (talk) 15:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@LtPowers: Excellent! We'll count you in then, and we'll let you know about two weeks in advance before the first deployment. Have a good week! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

The groups with early access to certain improvements.

Hi Johanna, hope your doing well. I just wanted to ask how can I get the Nauruan Wiktionary to be in the groups of wiki's with early access to several improvements. It's a wiki with only me as an editor and a sysop (currently), and doing testing won't affect anyone but myself. User:WhatamIdoing told me on wikivoyage to either contact you or Timur, so hence this request. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contibs | en.wikivoyage | w:User:SHB2000) 10:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello SHB2000! Thanks a lot for your interest. I saw your ping and was about to reply. Our plan is to deploy all outstanding improvements in our focus area "Templates" to the same set of wikis. So if you'd like to get the changes announced for end of June, you would also get all the others. If that's fine by you, we'd gladly add your wiki to our list. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:12, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Johanna, thanks for the reply. Yes, I'd gladly join, and you can add na.wiktionary to the list. Take care, SHB2000 (talk | contibs | en.wikivoyage | w:User:SHB2000) 07:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Excellent! Welcome on board! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:14, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Topic subscriptions

I recommend that you go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures and enable "Discussion Tools". The [reply] tool is handy (automatic signatures, no counting ::::colons), but I think you will particularly appreciate the new [subscribe] button for discussion sections. I have enabled it in Special:GlobalPreferences.

There are several features in there, and if you dislike one, you can turn it off at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion (or the matching section in Global Prefs). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, @Whatamidoing (WMF)! I've been meaning to try it and this was apparently the cue I needed to activate it. I'm using it right now and it looks very neat. Thanks a lot for recommending it and to the team who's working on it. -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

The movement strategy ambassadors are very happy with this new [subscribe] button. If you have to post a message on multiple wikis, then you can subscribe and be sure to get notifications. Pings override the notification, so if you subscribe, and someone pings you, then you will only see the ping. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Template_announcements_bundle_1 (translation)

Hi, thank you for hard working on Template Dialog improvements, and as a translator, one small input for your recent request: Could we apply magic prefix Special:MyLanguage/ to links in your announcement assigned towards 28 February? I wish that your readers open each link in language they set in personal preferences, which is very encouraging to ja community members. I experimented anyway, and as you find at the link provided herein, by adding that prefix anyway all link turned into red /:

If it is part of your plan to make links open in language set in readers' preferences when releasing that announcement, pardon me stepping over, and I could roll back my input. Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 13:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Omotecho, feedback is always appreciated. I'll have a look at it and get back to you. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 13:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Omotecho: You are of course absolutely right, the links should have included Special:MyLanguage. My apologies. I have now updated the original page accordingly so that all links that lead to translatable pages have the magic prefix in them now. I also changed your edit so that the red links disappear.

Please note that our project pages on Meta don't have the translation system in place, so the links that lead there have no magic prefix. If you have more suggestions, please don't hesitate to let me know. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 13:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Case solved: hi, @Johanna Strodt (WMDE), I am so honored you offered the update and extended your time adjusting my last input. ((: You are so right that only interwiki links landing on any non-mata project, eg Wikipedia, should trigger Special:MyLanguage trick. Good luck on your announcement ! Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 14:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Omotecho: Thanks a lot for your suggestions and your help with the translations! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Template changes - Tags autocompletion

Hello Johanna! I'm an admin from SqWiki. Just saw your notification in our village pump and I started reading more about the whole changes related to templates. As a user who dedicates 90% of his wikiwork to templates and modules I can say I'm really happy for what's happening and the changes are appreciated. I was surprised of one "missing" (?) detail though: We already have bracket highlighting, why not also automatic bracket (and other tags) pairing/addition? That's a common functionality found on many code editors. As soon as you type something that might be a tag of some sort you immediately get it coupled with the corresponding closing tag and the cursor stays in the middle of the tags, thus allowing you to add the needed content between them without messing up the nesting hierarchy or forgetting the closing tag.

Examples:

1. I type {{ and the editor immediately adds }};
2. I type <ref> and the editor immediately adds </ref>;
3. I type <div> and the editor immediately adds </div>;
4. ...

When you look at our lint errors in SqWiki, Missing end tag list gets the most entries. I believe this would help tremendously in solving these cases in future occasions. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add closing tags or brackets automatically. If you must do this, at least make the feature easy to turn off in a documented user preference. I'm used to typing {{foo}} and don't want to have to remove a second pair of braces manually every time I do so. Certes (talk) 12:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: Thank you so much for your feedback! Bracket completion sounds like a neat idea, and I'll ask the team if this has been considered. Unfortunately, we won't be able to deal with it in the scope of this focus area. After more than two years working on Templates, we're currently wrapping up this focus area to move on to the winning areas from 2020 (Better support of geographical information) and 2022 (Make working with references easier). -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 15:50, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: After talking to my teammates I can add: This option had actually been investigated (here on Meta see #History, section "Prototype 2c") and was shared on wiki for feedback. The overall feedback we received (mostly on dewiki) was that people weren't very interested in it and would want a preference to turn off this specific aspect of it, so we didn't take it further. -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I see... The prototype you mention actually deals specifically with curly brackets while my proposal was for an overall change to the current wiki-editor that auto-detects and auto-completes different kinds of tags. The reason I say that is because maybe users would feel better about that functionality when they thought in general terms and considered all the possible situations with different tags (like in my examples above) instead of asking the simpler question "do we or do we not enter the curly brackets manually". I'm actually sad to read the outcome to be honest because I was looking forward in having such a feature - mostly for the other cases but it could also help on the curly brackets too in multi-nested transclusion+parser cases. - but... Maybe it comes in another way, in another time. Thank you for the fast response! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: I understand that and I wish there was something we could do, but this project is nearly over. My fingers are crossed for your wish. Have you considered submitting it to the Community Wishlist survey? -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 11:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

To be honest, no. I did have 2 proposals there this year but I had forgotten about this up until this point. Most likely I'll do that the next time. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Template changes

Greetings

On the en.WS we started having a number of issues today, and we are wondering if these problems are caused by the Templates change that went into effect today. Gadgets have disappeared, page numbers no longer appear in works, and several other functionalities have been lost to members at Wikisource. All of these issues were noticed within the last half hour. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @EncycloPetey, I've talked to our developers, and it seems the changes didn't come from our Template changes but from the regular train deployment, which happened on English Wikisource yesterday. As a result of this deployment, these bugs were reported: phab:T300201, phab:T303455. Then, a fix went out later yesterday. Do you continue to see issues today? -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 11:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

No, the issues from yesterday now seem to be fixed. Thanks for checking! --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: Great! Thanks for checking right back at ya! :) -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Jawiki - Survey: Help improve Kartographer

Hi Johanna,

I have a question. Can our jawiki folks write comments in Japanese for Survey: Help improve Kartographer?

BTW, I think your simple English approach worked. I checked a English to Japanese machine translation tool, and its translation was sufficient enough...actually quite good...in order to understand your message. I hope others will follow your approach. -- RottenApple777 (talk)15:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@RottenApple777: That's a very good question! The best way to make sure we understand what is being said, would be to write in English. But writing in Japanese would be a good fallback option. Thanks a lot for asking and for your nice feedback! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 15:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

On the subject of footnotes/references...

Previously I mentioned about s:Template:authority reference.

I am writing now to clarify something else to do with references, and to request 2 features.

On wikisource a few years ago there was a project to import Open Access scientific papers which were under a compatible license:- An example is:- s:Wikisource:WikiProject Open Access/Programmatic import from PubMed Central/Ecological Guild Evolution and the Discovery of the Worlds Smallest Vertebrate

However, in reviewing the transcription/import I found that a number of references/citations/footnotes had seemingly been missed in the import. Checking these was complicated by the footnote numbering in the original being different to that in the Wikisource version because Mediawiki appears to number footnotes/references in the order in which they are encountered as REF tags, as opposed to the nominal order given in a References tag.

Would it be possible to have an option to have the numbering be determined by the REFERENCES tag (assuming that there are no non blank unmatched references inline prior to any relevant REFERENCES tag? (This would allow for a more rapid identification of imported items with missing references/footnotes or other contet at Wikisource.)

The second feature request relates to being able to set an inline block to allow a multi-paragraph reference, Currently all footnotes/REF tags are wrapped in a SPAN, which means that it's not currently possible to have 'block' based footnotes, or even to (sub)class them directly for a specific work. An example of a content page (again at English Wikisource) that uses a Block or table based footnote is - s:Page:Royal Naval Biography Marshall v1p1.djvu/45 where tabluar data is given in a footnote.

What is being requested is the ability to set a REF tag as containing block level content ( most likely a table , poem , or DIV ) such that the markup for such items is generated cleanly, and does not result in a DIV/POEM/TABLE based content tag, ending up inside what is at present a SPAN based construction. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 06:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, @ShakespeareFan00. Can I ask you to add this message to Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Reusing references as well? -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:31, 25 April 2022 (UTC)