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Welcome to Meta![edit]

Hello Psychoslave!, and Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing! -- Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 02:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Novels, etc.[edit]

If you're looking for a place to post miscellaneous content, there's always RationalWikiWikiWiki. It's pretty much anything goes over there; whatever people want to import, unless it's meaningless gibberish, we're willing to host. We can create Poem:, Novel:, etc. namespaces if you plan on posting that kind of content. We already have Essay: and Recipe: namespaces. Leucosticte (talk) 10:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for you suggestion. The project announce "rational discourses" as a guideline. I can't see how this would match with poetry, novels and so on. That could do the trick for essays, but wikikultur is intended with larger focus. --Psychoslave (talk) 11:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Note, I copied your intervention on the wikikultur discussion page. --Psychoslave (talk) 11:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The scope of the wiki can simply be expanded to include poetry, novels, etc. in addition to rational discourses. Since we have virtually no other users, it doesn't really matter what we do, because there's no one around to object. I own the wiki so I make the rules. Leucosticte (talk) 02:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


De rien Psychoslave :D  Raoli  02:27, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

May I ask a few questions? There are some obscure words which made the whole translating work difficult. What's the meaning of "scene" in the tagline? It makes no sense in Chinese.--H2NCH2COOH (talk) 11:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Note : I answer you on the wikikultur proposal page, so the conversation is not lost. --Psychoslave (talk) 17:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok. Je le ferai!  Raoli  23:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Can I use "舞台(stage)" instead of "scene"? It's really difficult to translate "Culture Scene / Cultural Scene" into Chinese word for word.--H2NCH2COOH (talk) 02:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, I can't say for 舞台, but stage should do the trick. In my native language (french), you say scène. As far as I know there's no word which you could translate stage with all its meaning, but for the area, in any theatre, generally raised, upon which an audience watches plays or other public ceremonies, certainly you would use scène as a translation. So I would say, yes, go for it. --Psychoslave (talk) 17:02, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Le problème réside dans le fait que tout n'est pas traduisible. J'ai ajouté des sections manquantes en français. S'il vous arrive de nouveaux problèmes techniques, vous pouvez compter sur moi. :) De rien  Raoli  23:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Translate[edit]

Hello, there's full documentation at mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_administration, please ask there if you feel something's missing. Thanks, Nemo 14:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I forgot: Great idea[edit]

Trash disposal

I think it was a great idea of you to install the Wiktionary future page. I still see the danger of getting something like a trash disposal. But aren’t similar pages the very same? And don’t these trash disposals sometimes contain valuable content that only needs to be mined?

The most difficult things at the beginning will be:

  • To be able to evaluate what the real benefit of a proposal is in WT Project dimension (already mentioned).
  • How to structure the proposals (already mentioned)?
  • Do we succeed to explain basics, what we are discussing about, what the proposition is good for, even in terms understandable by users, not in depth experienced in all the buzzword bingo language or project details?

NoX (talk) 16:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. I'll see what I can do to avoid such a path to trash disposal, if you have some concrete suggestions, I'll be happy and grateful to hear them. --Psychoslave (talk) 09:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You recently added on title level 2 (===) "Thinking out of the classical online Wiktionary format and reading usage". In my opinion this is a structuring title for proposals. Your proposals start on title level 3 (====). I think we should lift all your titles by one level.
At the beginning we should add a structuring title like preliminaries or so. There we should add things common to all proposals. E.g. a model for proposals.
Proposal title level 2 (===)
Title Abstract level 3 (====) Very short meaning of the proposal.
Title Current Situation level 3 (====) Describing the shortcomings of the current situation.
Title Recommended improvement level 3 (====) Describing them, perhaps using subtitles on level 4 (=====).
Title Comments on proposal level 3 (====). Initially empty, filled by others.
We should ask Denny to remove his questions (I’ll add a link to this on his talk page).
The title “Targets, business-model of the proposals presented here?” should be left at the preliminaries but it needs improvement in the sense of imagined business model for proposals (I couldn’t find a real one). I think to do that.
Which other structuring titles should be proposed (this is merely a brain storming)?
  • Proposals concerning the user surface (everything the user sees or hears (on his screen, tablet, or phone)).
  • Proposals concerning the data storage (how data should be better stored)
  • Proposals concerning the data content (mark-up, mark-up models, language paragraph sequences etc.)
  • Proposals concerning linguistic details or specialties (things only language specialists can contriubute)
Perhaps we should put this on the discussion page and restructure the current content afterwards. NoX (talk) 20:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, your ideas are great, I totally agree that we should move all this to the discussion page so it has a better visibility, and I'm ok with your restructuring propose. I probably won't have time for it tomorrow, and now it's time to sleep for me. But fell free to begin/do it. :) -Psychoslave (talk) 22:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for contributing my proposal for Proposal-Structure (I assume it was you ( (talk)‎, having forgotten to log in. If so, you can simply undo and redo it on the history page after being logged in). I'm currently a little bit short in time. I'm sure the others will go with us and accept restructuring and the strong need for structure. One thing I didn't understand (and this seems to me difficult to pass to you, because image transfer in WT is a little bit cumbersome): Why did you remove the non-Latin (Russian, Chinese) signs? Don't you see them in your screen-presentation? To me, showing them was merely a gag. For another user it is part of its WIKI-Name-content and by adding question marks you made its name becoming red, unknown. NoX (talk) 10:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes it was me, if I undo and redo it, I suppose it will keep track of it in the history anyway and just cluter it. It's possible I inadvertently removed some strings, as I made copy/paste in vim to easily reindent sections with regexp. And it looks like my currente desktop have problem to paste unicode within vim, so if data was erased, that's probably the reason. It should of course be restored and I apologise for my mistake. --Psychoslave (talk) 12:45, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the support on the project (global economic map)[edit]

Would you be interested to help re-create other country articles. Copy-paste onto your sandbox is the easiest way.

I began working on the China article in case you were interested: Mcnabber091 (talk) 03:28, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I guess you are talking about Global Economic Map. Of course an article on China is very interesting most human live there after all. It may even be interesting to have more than one more page for so large regions. I would be happy to help, but what are you expecting exactly ? If its just translation, I guess I can help. If you ask me to create equivalent page for other region, you will have to provide me more information on how I could do such a work properly, I have no information in Economics and don't even have a clue where I could gather relevant information. --Psychoslave (talk) 12:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
I am looking for volunteers to help add new articles and data to the list of countries. At this point the entire project will be in English. You don't have to be an economist to find the data. Google is the best place to look. Also check out government webpages. The references on 'Economy of the U.S.' are good examples on where to look. If you have any questions post it on my talk wall.Mcnabber091 (talk) 08:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I'll see if I find time to do that. --Psychoslave (talk) 08:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Psychoslave, there are some new developments in my project and right now I am seeking outside opinion about where this project should be located within Wikimedia. Recently, I tried submitting a Wikipedia article named 'Economic summary of the United States' and was rejected. If you are interested in learning more you can check out, Mcnabber091 (talk) 16:56, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Here are some relevant information on this topic, which were initialy send on te wikimedia-l mailing list[edit]

2013/4/11 Plyd <***@***.***>

Hi, It looks like nobody received this email, so I try again! Vincent ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Plyd <> Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: The value of Wikipedia for the economy To: Plyd <> Cc: "" <>, "" <>, Sébastien Beyou <> Le mardi 9 avril 2013, Plyd a écrit : Hello,

Thanks Seb35 for pointing me this email. I did a study last year about the value of Wikipedia, as a thesis for my diploma in HEC Paris. Here is the link below. It is written in french

and I

used French Wikipedia as an example, but the methods used are the same


all languages. I was looking for indicators on "how to value the job of wikipedians" so my prefered indicator was the increase of pageviews. For a glam giving


material, saying how many views it generated is the best convincing argument imho. But I searched for a lots of different valuations, with each their own limits. As an example : - advertisement value : more or less the market value if a private


would like to make an offer to the foundation, best evaluation is with a simple ratio of pageviews * average page view value. $8 per 1000 pageviews => $1 600 000 000 per year for all wikipedia with discounted cash flow method (with the internet growth prediction),


get a $8 800 000 000 value. (2% of Apple Market Capitalisation) limitation : the value of wikipedia relays in its contributors and if


was sold, no more contributors would keep writing (and a fork would be


limitation : the pageview value given by the foundation includes


- "how much would it cost to write Wikipedia" ? I used the indicator of freelance journalist paid at the "word" and I multiplied by the monthly size increase of Wikipedia. limitation : of course the choice of journalist is discutable, it's


the same job, but it is close enough to be compared. I used 57,74€ for 1500 signs (a value found in france), which gave me


000 000 per month value for french wikipedia, so with a €3000 monthly


it gives 900 employees for french wikipedia. - I also calculated with a "time spent" indicator, calculated with (15 minutes max per contribution), which gaves me a more


less same result : 900 full-time contributors on Thesis:

Slides for a Wikimedia France presentation:

Don't hesitate to ask questions ! Plyd ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Seb35 <> Date: 2013/4/8 Subject: Valeur de Wikipédia To: Plyd <> Hello, Si tu veux parler de ton étude de la valeur de Wikipédia, il en est question sur wikimedia-l (pas lu, juste vu le titre), ça intéressera sûrement Lodewijk.**pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-** April/125050.html<>


Re: Wikikultur[edit]

I have already registered to attend Wikimania. But actually I have never participate in this kind of meeting. And the biggest problem is that I'm only a high school student, so I will only attend the meeting on last 2 days(weekend). However, I can have a try. I have important examinations on today, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. So more things is to be decided after these days. --H2NCH2COOH (Talk) 04:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

New option on interproject links[edit]

Hi, thanks for participating in the RFC for interproject links. There is a new option that might be interesting to explore. Please check Dropdown next to title 1 and Dropdown next to title 2. They are part of Option 5.--Micru (talk) 14:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Programmation Wikidata-dictionary[edit]

Salut ! Je voulais savoir si tu as des connaissances en programmation, et si tu serais potentiellement intéressé pour adapter Wikidata (ou plutôt son extension Wikibase) pour en faire un dictionnaire.

J'ai rajouté une section là Requests_for_comment/Adopt_OmegaWiki#Interested_programmers, qui n'est pas forcément à propos d'OmegaWiki, ça peut être la réimplémentation d'un système similaire sous Wikidata. GerardM et Sj semblent penser que c'est la voie à suivre. --Kip (talk) 08:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Oui, j’ai des connaissances en programmation, et oui je serais intéressé par un tel projet. Cela étant, il y a de nombreux projets que je trouve intéressant, et il faut que je mette un peu d’ordre dans tout cela pour définir auxquels je peux espérer participer étant donné la scandaleuse contrainte qui limite les journées à 24h, à quoi s’ajoute l’ odieuse nécessité de dormir, et aussi le besoin d’avoir quelques activités loin de tout écran pour raisons sanitaires et sociales. :D Toujours est-il qu’actuellement il me semble nécessaire de faire des efforts de spécifications et de rassemblement des travaux déjà en cours pour établir des plans d’action cohérent et qui évite le gaspillage d’énergie dans des efforts redondants inutiles (je ne dis pas que toute redondance l’est nécessairement). À cette fin j’ai débuté la page Wiktionary future à laquelle je t’invite à participer en y décrivant tes intentions et en les mettant en perspectives des intentions des autres contributeurs. --Psychoslave (talk) 09:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
J'ai le même problème que toi. Heureusement, la météo pourrie de cette année m'oblige à rester au chaud devant mon pc :-)
J'ai déjà vu la page Wiktionary future, mais je ne suis pas sûr où y ajouter mes idées. Il faudrait d'abord la restructurer un peu (je vois que tu viens d'y ajouter une proposition de restructuration qui me semble bonne), et n'hésite pas à bouger un peu les commentaires des uns et des autres, éventuellement en les mettant dans la page de discussion pour que la page principale reste bien organisée.
Actuellement je ne vois pas trop en quoi c'est différent de la structure d'OmegaWiki, mais il y a peut-être un détail qui m'a échappé. Dans tous les cas, je pense que les deux initiatives vont dans la même direction, et donc je soutiens les deux ;-)
Au fait, ma question plus haut sur tes talents de programmeurs fait suite à la remarque de Sj User_talk:Kipmaster#Update_to_OmegaWiki_RfC. Pour l'instant je bloque sur "Recruit wiktionary-editors from a few of the largest wiktionaries", car il me semble que ces éditeurs sont en fait content avec ce qu'ils ont (cf. leurs messages sur la page de discussion de "Wiktionary future" et leur opposition à "Adopt OmegaWiki"), et que ceux qui ne sont pas contents n'éditent pas. --Kip (talk) 09:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Lors du dernier hackathon j’ai pu rencontrer d’autres contributeurs très actifs du Wiktionnaire, et il n’en était pas moins motivés à bosser sur sa structuration. Donc je n’ai pas l’impression que ceux qui éditent sont opposés à l’idée de mieux structurer de façon à mieux propager les contributions entre les divers chapitres. Je peux relayer ton appel sur le Wiktionnaire si tu veux (ou tu peux toi même y présenter l’idée dans la Wikidémie). --Psychoslave (talk) 09:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok, c'est cool alors, merci pour l'info :) Alors c'est juste que ceux qui sont contre sont ceux qui râlent le plus fort. C'est dommage que ceux qui sont intéressés ne le font pas savoir plus activement... Il faudrait que j'essaie de participer à un hackathon une prochaine fois. --Kip (talk) 11:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Global Economic Map[edit]

Thanks for your support signature for the Global Economic Map at

Would you be interested to write an endorsement for the project?


Mcnabber091 (talk) 15:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Why not, could you give me more information on what you expect from me?

New Global Economic Map homepage[edit]

Thanks for your support earlier in April for the Global Economic Map. Would you be interested to comment on the new project page. Any support would help alot.

Thanks Mcnabber091 (talk) 08:16, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Séminaire LdF demain[edit]

Sàlut, Psychoslave! Bon, je ne sais pas si cela change qqc, mais j'ai le sentiment que je devrai aussi te le mettre ici, sur meta... J´ai déjà trouvé ces (un) deux liens sur internet. C´est fort! Et il y a la directrice de l´OLCA, qui vient en tant qu´expert! (Et cet article est toujours une EBAUCHE!) Et je ne sais toujours pas comment faire... - Et pas non plus comment auraient été contacté les contributeurs actifs des Wikipédias en question...--Stephele (discuter) 22 janvier 2016 à 09:26 (CET)

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You can ping jcrespo. He seems to have forgotten about the task. --Nemo 10:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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