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Rejoindre wikifranca[edit]

Bonjour, j'ai demandé à Wikifranca si nous pouvions les rejoindre au vu du fait que nous sommes actives et actifs sur les projets francophones voir ici Nattes à chat (talk) 05:51, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Plan d'action : état des lieux janvier 2020[edit]

action fait reste à faire Observations

The capital E in the name of the group[edit]

I am guessing the capital E in "pagEs" have some meaning or is a word or letter play. Can anyone try to explain that in english, please? I know it is like disecting spider web, but thank you in advance. --LittleGun (talk) 06:21, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

ː Hi yes there are several intertwined meanings indeed. ̟1)The project emmerged in Switzerland after one of the members of the Emilie Gourd foundation reading the 2011 New York Times articles on the gender gap. The foundation asked the equal opportunity office of the University of Geneva to have a conference on the subject and we ended up in adding wikipedia worshops to the conference. The emilie Gourd foundation funded partly the project and the "E" is a reference to Emilie Gourd as the journal she founded is nowadays called l'émiliE.. 2) A capital letter at the end of a word also traditionnally reflects an inversion of hierarchies and a reminder that some aspects remain invisible and need to be put forth, such as subjects not yet well covered in the medias or an encyclopedia. This is was used in the civil rights movement in the USA (MalcomX or bell hooks are obvious references in a way). 3)There is also a reference to the French revolution, to a word such as "les sans culottes" encouraging empowerment of people lacking power in a particular societal or institutional setting. Then "sans pagEs" also means "without a page", a reference to all red links on our project. I wanted a word obviously tackling the gender gap, but without excluding men and having a binary definition of men vs women. I hope you find this explanation satisfying ː)Nattes à chat (talk) 08:23, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Quick and swift answer, my curiosity is very much satisfied. I was thinking of the way Wikipedia is written under the globe; WikipediA, but there is the last letter capitalized. Thanks again.--LittleGun (talk) 09:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Ah ben mince alors, @Nattes à chat:, j'avais toujours cru que le E faisait référence à la lettre finale usuelle de féminisation des mots en français ! JohnNewton8 (talk) 11:07, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Réunions en ligne du UserGroup LSP[edit]

Agenda ː rebranding, reprise des évènements IRL et organisation d'un week end de clotûre annuel, valeurs à inclure dans la charte, place des hommes alliés dans le groupe, retour de la présentation à la société des archivistes françaises

Mailing list sans pagEs[edit]

C'est par ici pour s'enregistrer et avoir des nouvelles ː [1]

Newsletter du mois de mai 2020 ː Nattes à chat (talk) 15:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Call for candidates - June 2020[edit]

Hi everyone,

The Affiliations Committee (AffCom) – the committee responsible for guiding volunteers in establishing and sustaining Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups – is seeking new members!

The main role of the AffCom is to guide groups of volunteers that are interested in forming Wikimedia affiliates. We review applications from new groups, answer questions and provide advice about the different Wikimedia affiliation models and processes, review affiliate bylaws for compliance with requirements and best practices, and update the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees as well as advise them on issues connected to chapters, thematic organizations and Wikimedia user groups.

The committee consists of five to fifteen members, selected at least once every year, to serve two-year terms. As the committee must hold mid-year elections to replenish its members at this time, those joining the committee during the current process will serve a slightly extended term from July 2020 through December 2022.

AffCom continues to closely monitor the Wikimedia 2030 Strategy process initiated in 2016. While the affiliation models continue to be discussed as part of the broader strategy discussion, as no decisions have been made to change the current affiliation models yet, AffCom continues to work in the same manner with regard to affiliate recognitions and intervention support for affiliates with issues of non-compliance in 2020. AffCom continues to process applications for user group and chapter/thematic organization creation, while we await the strategy next steps and begin to prepare for a smooth transition of the committee and affiliates ecosystem to any changing movement structures and systems in 2021.

Being a part of the AffCom requires communication with volunteers all over the world, negotiating skills, cultural sensitivity, and the ability to understand legal texts. We look for a mix of different skill sets in our members.

Click here for further details.

James Heilman on behalf of AffCom

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:18, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Affiliations Committee elections announcement June 2020[edit]

Hi everyone,

This is a friendly reminder that the Affiliations Committee (AffCom) – the committee responsible for guiding volunteers in establishing and sustaining Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups – is seeking new members! The deadline to post your application on the nomination page is 30 June 2020.

  • Application process: Considering the anticipated changes following the Strategy recommendations, we had a limited scope to introduce changes in the process. We have made a small but impactful addition to the application process by introducing the Self Assessment survey form which will help the committee know more about your engagement as endorsements are not consistently shared, may not be representative, and often do not speak to the specific skills needed.
  • Selection process: No change; see: Membership.

If you have any questions, please contact me and/or the committee as a whole. We are happy to answer questions about our work if this helps people decide to apply. Please distribute this announcement among your networks. Good luck to all the candidates!

On behalf of the committee,

--Rosiestep (talk) 00:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging ː Dear @Rosiestep: thank you for letting us know, I think we will provide an official support for one candidate after our monthly usr group meeting this evening. Warm regards, Nattes à chat (talk) 12:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Feedback on movement names[edit]

There are a lot of conversations happening about the future of our movement names. We hope that you are part of these discussions and that your community is represented.

Since 16 June, the Foundation Brand Team has been running a survey in 7 languages about 3 naming options. There are also community members sharing concerns about renaming in a Community Open Letter.

You should have received a separate affiliate survey via email. If you have not, feel free to email brandproject(_AT_)

Our goal in this call for feedback is to hear from across the community, so we encourage you to participate in the survey, the open letter, or both. The survey will go through 7 July in all timezones. Input from the survey and discussions will be analyzed and published on Meta-Wiki.

Thanks for thinking about the future of the movement --The Brand Project team, 13:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Note: The survey is conducted via a third-party service, which may subject it to additional terms. For more information on privacy and data-handling, see the survey privacy statement.

Dear rebranding team ̣@Elitre (WMF): after discussion in our monthly meeting, we have decided to not respond to the survey for the following reasonsː first of all there is no other choice than chosing "Wikipedia" for all given options, second the group did not reach any clear decision on the matter of wether or not Wikipedia was an acceptable term. It was felt however that this was taking away a lot of volunteer time for something that seems to be allready decided and that our time and energy could be best employed towards our main contributing activities concerning gender gap issues. The COVID crisis has affected many women, and such a short consultation period is difficult to get a claer idea. We need time to heal and take care of ourselves, and to take care of one another. Also, the subject is potentially conflictual as demonstrated by what is happening on meta. We have however signed the community's open letter asking for a pause in the process, and a better engagement with the community so that we understand the issues at stake better. Nattes à chat (talk) 20:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback Nattes à chat and the rest of Les sans pagEs group. I am forwarding it to the Brand team. Qgil-WMF (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia[edit]

Hello everyone. I am posting the announcement below, which you may have missed elsewhere, and in the hope that you can share it with your local communities. Please note that it may be available in your language at m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/July 2020 announcement. Thanks for your attention! m:User:Elitre (WMF)

week end de cloture août 2020 et charte de l'animatrice[edit]

Bonjour, le week end de clotûre des sans pages aura lieu du 27 au 30 aout 2020 à Fribourg (page de la rencontre ici). L'année dernière à Sion nous avions beaucoup évoqué le harcèlement, la stratégie 2020 et l'organisation en groupes locaux. Cette année nous voudrions rédiger une charte de l'animatrice visant à clarifier les rôles et responsabilités des personnes animant des ateliers. Une consultation sur la page du projet a été lancée ici. Je propose qu'on organise une réunion du user groupe en vidéo conférence pour celles et ceux qui ne pourraient pas être présentes à Fribourg fin août. Nattes à chat (talk) 10:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Une séance en ligne est prévue Samedi 28 aout 2020 de 10h à 11h pour vous permettre de vous exprimer au sujet de la future charte ses sans pagEs que nous allons rédiger durant le week-end de clotûre. Vous pouvez aussi envoyer vos remarques et suggestions à info(at) La réunion aura lieu en ligne ici ː Nattes à chat (talk) 06:00, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Charte de l'engagement et des animatrices référentes[edit]

Bonjour voici un premier jet pour la rédaction de nos chartes de l'engagement et des animatrices ː Bonjour voici le résultat du week end sans pagEs consacré (entre autres) à la rédaction de la charte de l'animatrice.

Merci de lire et faire part de vos commentaires jusqu'au 15 septembre 2020. Nous avons également lancé une consultation sur la page du projet sur la wikipedia francophone ici

Nattes à chat (talk) 06:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Sunday September 20 Strategic Wikimedia Affiliates Network meeting[edit]

Birds of a feather flock together.

The Strategic Wikimedia Affiliates Network (SWAN) is a developing forum for all Wikimedia movement affiliates to share ideas on the Wikimedia 2030 strategy process. It expands on the model of the All-Affiliates Brand Meeting to help lay some of the groundwork for a future Global Council.

Following up on the August SWAN meeting and June's All-Affiliates Brand Meeting, as well as strategic and outreach topics of mutual concern to all affiliates, this month we are meeting on Sunday September 20, and you are all invited to RSVP here.--Pharos (talk) 01:31, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Movement Strategy - What Are Your Choices For Implementation[edit]

Hello Les sans pagEs,

The time has come to put Strategy into work and everyone's invited to participate.

The Movement Strategy Design Group and Support Team are inviting you to organize virtual meetings with your community and colleagues before the end of October. The aim is for you to decide what ideas from the Movement Strategy recommendations respond to your needs and will have an impact in the movement. The recommendations are available in different formats and in many languages. There are 10 awesome recommendations and close to 50 recommended changes and actions or initiatives. Not everything will be implemented. The aim of prioritization is to create an 18-month implementation plan to take some of the initiatives forward starting in 2021.

Prioritization is at the level of your group, affiliate, and community. Think local and relevant! Regional and thematic platforms are great ways to prepare and share ideas. Afterwards, we will come together in November to co-create the implementation plan. More information about November’s global events will be shared soon. For now and until the end of October, organize locally and share your priorities with us.

You can find guidance for the events, the simple reporting template, and other supporting materials here on Meta. You can share your results directly on Meta, by email, or by filling out this survey. Please don’t hesitate to get in touch with us if you have any questions or comments, strategy2030(_AT_)

We will be hosting office hours to answer any questions you might have, Thursday October 1 at 14.00 UTC (Google Meet).

MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 16:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Advanced Dungeons and CoC Violations[edit]

Bonjour, Lors d'une discussion sur le canal, Nattes à chat m'a encouragé à proposer mon idée (pour être exact, à me lancer sans préparation dans l’après midi mais l'impro, ça s'improvise pas) de faire un exercice d'application de la charte. Pour les personnes qui n'étaient pas la, l'idée est inspiré des tests d'alertes incendie, ou des tests divers dans les entreprises du High Tech (genre: Google). C'est un exercise auquel j'ai participé par le passé, organisé par deux des fondat·rice·eur·s du Reset (un hackerspace à Paris).

Le jeu à l'époque était dans une grande piéce, avec toute la salle (~30 personnes) jouant le rôle d'un groupe en charge de la gestion d'un cas de violation de code de conduite sous forme de jeu de role. A l'époque, le scénario avait était fait spécifiquement pour que le groupe échoue, dans le but de montrer que ç'est complexe. Ce n'est pas le but que je recherche en proposant ça aujourd'hui, mais plus de vérifier que la charte est applicable, et qu'il ne manque rien, que les gens savent quoi faire, etc. Comme le disait Helmuth von Moltke, Kein Operationsplan reicht mit einiger Sicherheit über das erste Zusammentreffen mit der feindlichen Hauptmacht hinaus.

Du coup, pour avoir un scénario crédible, il faut d'abord avoir des rôles. J'ai pensé à avoir un PNJ (personnage non joueur) qui remonte un incident (joué par moi, au moins la première fois), 1 PNJ qui se retrouve accusé (joué aussi par moi, toujours dans un premier temps), et les gens qui agissent et/ou décident quoi faire comme dans un vrai cas (joué par tout les autres). Ensuite, il faut un espace. L'idée au départ était de faire ça dans une vidéo conférence (cad que le souci arrive durant la vidéo conférence ou les gens sont), mais ça me parait pas le plus pratique. Donc je propose un scénario plus proche de celui mise en place par Zora et Ag3m à l'époque, à savoir d'avoir les gens dans une pièce (enfin, une vidéo conférence pour le moment), pour traiter un cas arrivé à un atelier plus ou moins en direct, avec des actions via la narration du MJ (aka moi).

Un point important est de savoir quel genre d'incident est ce qu'on veut traiter, ou plutôt, ce qu'on ne veut pas avoir à traiter pour un premier exercice. Je suppose naïvement que les cas les plus graves seront sans doute plus intéressant en terme de retour, mais si je voulais un jeu ou les gens s'occupent d'un meurtre, j'aurais appelé ce message "Code of Cluedo-uct". Le but n'est pas de rendre les gens inconfortables, même si je suppose qu'à un moment (genre dans une autre séance), ça va arriver. Donc je propose de commencer doucement et de lister les sujets qu'on préfère ne pas aborder, et j'aviserais à partir de la pour pondre un truc intéressant.

Pour la date, je propose le dimanche 25 octobre 2020 à 15h (fuseau horaire de Paris, donc UTC+1). Je suis pas libre le weekend prochain, et il faut du temps pour avoir l'avis des gens.

Qui veut participer, et en évitant quoi ? (seul l'avis des gens qui viennent sera pris en compte, deadline le 18 au soir pour donner son avis pour me laisser le temps de préparer, les gens peuvent venir au dernier moment quand même) --Misc (talk) 17:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


listes des sujets que vous ne voulez pas voir aborder[edit]

  • Pas le mégenrage (too much là)
  • j'aurais bien des sujets sensibles à vouloir éviter mais les écrire ici en clair me poseraient plus de problèmes qu'autre chose alors.... Si ces sujets sensibles sont évoqués, je sortirai voilà tout :/.
  • légitimité des personnes trans - typiquement en ce moment - et par extension des personnes LGBTI+. Trop touchy pour moi actuellement. AnneJea (talk) 13:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
  • ce que vous voulez dans le scenario ...

Lieu de la réunion[edit]

Sunday October 25 Strategic Wikimedia Affiliates Network meeting[edit]

Friendship is a movement value.

The Strategic Wikimedia Affiliates Network (SWAN) is a developing forum for all Wikimedia movement affiliates to share ideas on the Wikimedia 2030 strategy process. It expands on the model of the All-Affiliates Brand Meeting to help lay some of the groundwork for a future Global Council.

Following up on the September and August SWAN meetings, and June's All-Affiliates Brand Meeting, as well as strategic and outreach topics of mutual concern to all affiliates including the recent proposed changes to the Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws, this month we are meeting on Sunday October 25, and you are all invited to RSVP here.--Pharos (talk) 17:30, 20 October 2020 (UTC)