User talk:Klein Muçi

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Hello, Klein Muçi. Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum if you need help with something (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing!

 — billinghurst sDrewth 06:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: thank you! :)


Hey there,

Your sidebar is 95% Albanian right now (from an English perspective). We can set it up so that it is bilingual which will assist stewards, global sysops, SWMT members and non-Albanian editors/viewers with navigating your wiki. I have done the ground work with translating your sidebar as shown at sq:q:MediaWiki:Sidebar/sandbox. Please let me know if I was correct with my translations, or wrong. To make these bilingual, we need to move from having actual names to MediaWiki page names that contain the relevant information. On the left column, is the mediawiki page name for the page url and on the right column, is the mediawiki page name for the page.

For example, your livadhi (meadow) becomes sandbox-url|sandbox.

From there, we then need to create the mediawiki pages. sq:q:MediaWiki:Sandbox-url needs to be created with the page url ("Wikiquote:Livadhi") and sq:q:MediaWiki:Sandbox needs to be created with "Livadhi". From there, sq:q:MediaWiki:Sandbox/en needs to be created with "Sandbox" (or "Meadow", but the literal is preferred (I.e. Forum instead of Tavern).

This needs to be done for each item. It's cumbersome, but the best way to do it. sq:q:MediaWiki:Sidebar/sandbox should not be moved to sq:q:MediaWiki:Sidebar unless the MediaWiki pages are created, otherwise it will break the sidebar. Let me know if you want me to do this, or if you understand, ~riley (talk) 03:32, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@~riley: Hello! :)
Thanks for taking your time to create MediaWiki:Sidebare/sandbox. Your translations are correct. I'm not sure only about the assembly part. Our Assembly is the same as your Village Pump. If you do understand that, we're okay.
I've been reading this page these days so I have the general idea of what you're saying. Nonetheless, can you make the first 2 translations possible? The welcome and VP page would be good choices. I'll use them as practical examples and complete the rest here and in SqWiki.
I'm not sure I have understood you correctly at the last example you gave though. Should "Livadhi" (Meadow) be translated to "Sandbox" in English? Given that we're trying to assist non-Albanian wiki users? I asked you to complete the translation for our Kuvendi/Assembly/Village Pump page above so I could have it clear how I should act on situations like these. I'm sure that if you do those two practical examples, the rest of the work will flow freely for me. - Klein Muçi (talk) 06:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey Klein, translations complete for VP and for Welcome - refer to my contribs for reference. Use your judgement on the sandbox one. My opinion is to keep things simple and familiar. My understanding of the assembly page was wrong, hence changing to village pump. I think putting the button name as village pump or sandbox is essential for people to find it but once they've found it. I am not a fan of the tavern or meadow names because that's not what people look think of when they need help or to test something *shrug*. Best of luck with your sidebar updating; if you could shoot me a ping when everything is done, I'd love to take a look just to confirm nothing is broken. Take into account that sometimes things cache funny and purge slow, so changes may not reflect quickly. ~riley (talk) 07:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
@~riley: Yes, that's what I thought too. Livadhi -> Sandbox not Meadow. I'll try to model after what you have made and I'll write you here (I'll ping) when I'm finished at SqQuote. I want to be sure everything is all right before importing the messages to SqWiki. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
@~riley: I finished with the system messages. I also made some small changes here and there. I haven't tried yet the new sidebar. Should I try it or do you prefer to take a look around before?
Question: Are translations like these ever handled by Translate Wiki? I'm talking about the "specific ones", not the ones like recent changes, random page, etc.
If everything is okay, I'll set up the new sidebar, maybe add some support for more languages and import everything at SqWiki. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Translations look good to me; just want to take a look post-translation - you're good to go ahead and move it all over.
Quite honestly, I have no experience with Translate Wiki. My understanding is only the general ones are. Once you move over the specific ones though, head onto Translate Wiki and see. If they are, that would be awesome but they aren't from what I can see. ~riley (talk) 19:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@~riley: I did move the translations from sandbox to the system message itself and the Albanian links work fine but the English ones... :/ I changed my language in preferences to see how they change and the only ones that change are the three general ones. Take a look for yourself. Maybe SqQuote lacks something for the /en to take effect as a system message? It wouldn't be strange because I've basically set up that project from scratch and many things we take for granted in other projects have had to be created first. Or is that a core MediaWiki ability? Maybe I've done something wrong when translating the system messages themselves? Although this is unlikely to be true because even your translations didn't show up. Maybe I should have waited a bit more and I was seeing a cached version of it. Tell me how it goes. - Klein Muçi (talk) 05:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

It should show now! Looks good to me. ~riley (talk) 05:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
@~riley: Yes, it does. Apparently the one I was seeing was just a cached version. Is there any other way to push the translation further for pages like that? Just hypothetically asking now. I mean for the pages content (only the unchanging parts). For example, I'm an English speaking user and I open the Complaints' Office. Is there a way to see the header of the page in English? - Klein Muçi (talk) 05:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Unfortanutely, not. Those features are only available for multi-language projects such as Meta, Commons, etc. ~riley (talk) 07:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
@~riley: I see. Maybe it would be a good idea to make other projects too a bit more foreign-friendly. Some projects are obscure domains for many users, the Embassy being the only point of communication. Especially those that have different writing systems. I've tried to implement as many links to the Embassy as possible in SqQuote and SqWiki (all Sidebar links link to it and all the editnotices too) as part of my efforts for making them more foreign-friendly (that's why I liked your suggestion about the sidebar links and I'm already translating for some other languages) but not many projects do that. A stronger interlanguage connection maybe would make Stewards'/other global privileged users' work easier, intersite traffic bigger and maybe that could even help in a better NPOV application. I mean, if that was a low-effort job because we're talking about details here now. (Meta/Embassy/articles translated in different projects/web browsers automatic page translations already take care of most of the translation needed.) But the method we just did with system messages already looked low effort/easy enough, so... Just hypothesizing here. - Klein Muçi (talk) 07:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Help to find user[edit]

Hello Klein Muçi Would you find me an user for writing / translating thr article of Isabelle de Charrière (Q123386) for the SQ Wikipedia? That would be appreciated. Boss-well63 (talk) 00:36, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@Boss-well63: I don't deal much with article creation myself but maybe @Berishasinan: can help? - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Sure! I'll look forward on creating the article soon. - Berishasinan (talk) 18:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I'll look forward to it. Boss-well63 (talk) 19:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I translated the article from EnWiki. You can check it out here. - Berishasinan (talk) 20:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much for all your work. Boss-well63 (talk) 21:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)