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At Wikimedia LGBT User Group October 2019 we decided to move forward with this given the support. We will revisit the logo in the queering conference. Amir (talk) 18:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

suggested logo

Hello, I replicated work of one my colleagues to build the new Wikimedia LGBT+ logo, the logo of user affiliates should be logo of the movement and not the logo of metawiki. What do you think of this logo? Amir (talk) 23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

I like this mock-up and how it is more consistent with the look and feel of Wikimedia_movement_affiliatesother affiliates, though with a much more vibrant coloration. --- FULBERT (talk) 00:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Support Support John Samuel 08:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
I think the colors need to go in the other direction? (Red to purple?) Also, we need to squeeze the trans colors, brown, and black stripes in there as well...RachelWex (talk) 16:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
I think while the bright colours are lovely it's unfortunately too distracting for some neurodiverse people. It 'flashes'. The old logo is more sedate but lets everyone look at other things on the same page. --Josiefraser (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Amir for the logo. I personally prefer the current logo. I am not a big fan of the "flashing" colours.--Kawayashu (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
I will work on the colors. Amir (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Hm. I do like that it fits better with the other logos and has a clearer wiki message but also agree with some of the concerns people raised: too colourful but at the same time also in need to include the other colours. THank you for taking time to do this though.--Jetam2 (talk) 21:16, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@FULBERT, Jsamwrites, RachelWex, Josiefraser, and Kawayashu:: Do the new colors look good to you? I got it from the WMDE design. Amir (talk) 23:53, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Support Support I like it! FULBERT (talk) 00:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Support I prefer this one. And it looks more professional also. --Kawayashu (talk) 00:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose I don't like the gradient. It is hard to print (especially in B/W) and seperated rainbow colors could be identified without full color range. -- Freddy2001 talk 08:56, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Neutral Neutral It is really nice logo but it will be hard to print (if you don't have a professional printer) and we need to think about back and white logo. WikiLester (talk) 09:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
For print and specially black and white, you can just use the plain Wikimedia logo + LGBT+ text but for online, I don't see any reason not to use gradient. 10:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Support Until someone comes up with something better. Kaldari (talk) 09:11, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Support Nattes à chat (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

A vote might be more useful if a few alternatives were being voted on as the most liked. Per Freddy2001, I would prefer blended colours to be avoided and more recognizably a Pride style rainbow, and though it is a design challenge, it would be great to ensure that the popular trans pride colours and black pride colours are integrated. Don't ask me how exactly, but it's a good design goal! -- (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

LGBT+ User Group Meeting - October[edit]

The poll for the LGBT+ User Group Meeting in October, 2019, is now open. Please vote for our next day and time for us to meet: https://doodle.com/poll/g3rnwm7y7ids8kpi
This poll will close on Sunday, September 22, at 12:00pm noon EDT. --- FULBERT (talk) 22:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

The LGBT+ User Group Meeting (October, 2019) will be on Monday, October 7, at 1:00pm EDT / 17:00 UTC. More information, including the Zoom link, is available here. Please add your agenda items and follow that page for any changes and updates. --- FULBERT (talk) 18:03, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi all, here you can find updates about the queering Wikipedia conference. --Kawayashu (talk) 21:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

LGBTIQ events on the francophone wikipedia (past)[edit]

Hi having attended the monthly LGBT+ user group I was asked to post examples of reports of LGBTIQ events on the francophone side:

  1. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Les_sans_pagEs/ConcoursContinuum2018 online contest with the Equal Opportunity office of the University of Geneva from end of 2018 to january 2019
  2. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Les_sans_pagEs/Ateliers_Lestime monthly Geneva in 2018
  3. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet%3AReset - Paris 2018
  4. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Mémoires_Minoritairestwo series of events in 2017 and 2018: in Lyon
  5. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Hierstorysa erie of editathons held from may to october 2015 in Paris

There was also a wide variety of topics covered during the francophone wiki convention 2019 in Bruxelles. I have added some of them on Telegram, and hope we can have active voices representing LGBTIQ francophone voices (also including african francophone countries)

  1. WikiConvention francophone/2019/Programme/Les transidentités, qu'est-ce que c'est et quels problèmes dans les wikis ?
  2. WikiConvention francophone/2019/Programme/Les enjeux de la représentation sur Wikipedia, l'exemple des communautés LGBT
  3. WikiConvention francophone/2019/Programme/Write for the Rights: Pour une Wikipedia plus inclusive et accessible

Nattes à chat (talk) 18:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

This is great documentation! Thanks for sharing non-English language LGBT+ program results. I hope that we can start collecting more reports like this to show international engagement and so that everyone can get inspiration and learn things from the way that other regions do their programs. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks @Bluerasberry:! Nattes à chat (talk) 01:07, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Current status October 2019[edit]

Per Wikimedia movement affiliates/Affiliates Status Report, we are currently out of compliance. -Another Believer (talk) 23:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

What does it mean we are out of compliance Another Believer, and what steps do we need to take to become compliant? --- FULBERT (talk) 15:54, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
@FULBERT: Good question, and one I don't know how to answer immediately. I thought this was just resolved ahead of the Wikimedia Conference, but maybe that's longer ago than I realize. Likely some report links need to be updated at Reports#Wikimedia_User_Groups, but I'll have to take another look when I have more time... -Another Believer (talk) 18:54, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
I will reach out to AffCom about this Another Believer and ping here once I learn more. --- FULBERT (talk) 18:12, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I contacted AffCom about this, and they emailed me today and stated we are out of compliance for 2018-2019 as our UG "report for activities conducted between August 2018 and August 2019 became due at the end of September 2019" and was not submitted. I believe you are currently the AffCom rep for this Another Believer so you should have received an email notice about needing to be done. It seems to me we have two things to do -- we need to get this report complete and submitted, and we should explore transitioning the AffCom responsibilities for reporting to others in the UG so we can spread around this work a bit and ensure it and its related communication gets done so we remain current. This issue has come up in the monthly UG calls, and in this regard I volunteer to take on this role and complete the reporting that it requires to ensure we remain compliant with AffCom requirements. Thoughts? --- FULBERT (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I wish that we could request to receive AffCom communication in the usual wiki way, which would be public and on our talk page. If they must email then to the mailing list would be my second choice. For a third choice it would be to any individual who in turn would post to this talk page or to the mailing list. I see no particular need for privacy around administrative requests from the WMF. For now - yes I support FULBERT being contact. As to sorting the administrative labor to do this - we need to discuss either here on the board and also in the monthly meeting. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:31, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Edit conflict.) @FULBERT: Hmm, I don't recall receiving any warning, and I'm pretty good about responding to reporting requirements ASAP. Also, not pointing any fingers here whatsoever, but User:RachelWex is the other current rep, so I wonder if she recalls receiving any out-of-compliance warnings. For the record, here's my last update the Reports page in April 2019. I have no problem turning over reporting responsibilities to someone else. I've been worrying about this admin stuff for years and will happily pass the baton. -Another Believer (talk) 20:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Bluerasberry: Yes, this should be a public process. I, too, support Fulbert if that's their preference. -Another Believer (talk) 20:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
This is the first I heard that RachelWex is one of the reps, but good to know and pinging her here about this as well. I have not worked on this level of reporting, so no better time to learn about it than the present. Please email or link me to anything you have that you think would be helpful for getting this reporting current Another Believer, and please contact AffCom with my information so they can make sure I get these Asks in the future. I will then work on this and post it here for input and feedback prior to final submitting, per Blue Rasberry (talk)'s suggestion. --- FULBERT (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@FULBERT: RachelWex replaced Dorothy Howard as a rep back in August. If you'll send me your email address, I'll send an email to you and User:DNdubane (WMF). -Another Believer (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Just sent it to you Another Believer. Thanks. --- FULBERT (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Yup, received, and I've also sent an email to Dumisani, you, and Rachel. -Another Believer (talk) 21:08, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

It may be an idea to review Wikimedia LGBT+/2018 and Wikimedia LGBT+/2017 and maybe simplify the annual report of activities to a very simple date based index of links to other reports rather than transclusions or the reports themselves. As mentioned in the last zoom meeting, this should be considered open to everyone to add UG related events in multiple languages, such as when UG participants are organising LGBT+ related editathons and content drives. In this way, the Affcom reporting requirements would be a natural consequence of keeping track of our events, meetings and conferences rather than special bureaucratic effort. BTW, I didn't get any emails from Affcom either; it would be nice to confirm who they have listed to write to. -- (talk) 20:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you about having this here or on some related page and linked here so the reporting is not enormous at once, but part of our ongoing tracking. When I inquired, AffCom stated that they have Another Believer and you as contacts. I will also ensure this gets cleaned up and updated with both AffCom and more present here on the UG page for transparency. --- FULBERT (talk) 20:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Lol, shouldn't be this confusing re: group reps. We'll get this settled with User:DNdubane (WMF) as soon as possible. -Another Believer (talk)
It a good learning point, we should probably be a bit "fresher" about who's who on Wikimedia LGBT+/Participants, not just (legal) "representatives" and "advisers" as we have several other roles around like our comms/social media points of contact (twitter, facebook, telegram...), our active contacts for different languages, the preferred points regular contact for Affcom/WMF, the 2020 conference proposal contacts, and so on. Folks drift off on to other stuff (like new jobs and other interests!) and so we ought to make a point of emailing nominated contacts at least once a year and asking if they are still able to keep those commitments. When you've been around for a few years, it's easy to forget how confusing the Wikimedia pseudo-legal ecosystem can be. -- (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. Shall we update Wikimedia LGBT+/Participants be removing "advisors", and updating "representatives" with AffCom and social media reps? For the record, I almost never post, but I have the ability to post on the Wikimedia LGBT Facebook page. I think we should list both current and former reps, so once we get reps updated, we should update the date ranges for me, Fae, and Hexatekin. -Another Believer (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'm more of a technical backup for the Twitter account with Rachel running it and Lane having access and we can add folks as needed, coordinated via a Google doc. We should probably have something like that to coordinate each of the 'official' comms channels if they don't exist, though in the cases of Telegram and IRC it's sort of redundant as we have multiple admins with authority to do anything needed, so as the 'creator' of those channels I do not have any special tools but could be seen as a contact if there are problems. For the email list Amir is the moderator, I think they are the only one with that access.
Let's try updating, and check with folks via email where we are not sure. -- (talk) 21:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Report[edit]

The above discussion has evolved into one about group contacts. Shall we focus on the actual report here? If we're being consistent with previous report pages, we might go with Wikimedia LGBT+/2018 and/or Wikimedia LGBT+/2019, but if we want to be date specific based on reporting requirements, we might go with Wikimedia LGBT+/August 2018 – August 2019. -Another Believer (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

The simplicity of Wikimedia LGBT+/2019 would be nice, and links in that format to our backlog of annual reports might be useful to then add somewhere more visible in our portal pages. We may need to harmonize the old pagenames. -- (talk) 21:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Representatives[edit]

Trying to separate the discussion above into separate ones for Reporting and Reps. Let's discuss Representatives and possible changes to Wikimedia LGBT+/Participants here. I've already posted some thoughts at Talk:Wikimedia LGBT+/Participants. -Another Believer (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

AffCom/User Group[edit]

If I recall correctly, User:Fæ, User:Hexatekin (Dorothy Howard), and I were the initial user group reps. I'm not sure when Fæ fell off, but later only 2 reps were allowed. User:RachelWex replaced User:Hexatin in August 2019. Anything else to note here? -Another Believer (talk) 21:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

If an email discussion that confirmed we are limited to 2 reps that's fine, but puts more pressure on finding a better way to have elections as there's less flexibility to swap roles around. -- (talk) 22:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
We shelved the idea of elections for the time being at the past two monthly meetings in September and October. As the issue of reporting and overdue reports has arisen, I offered to take on that work (above) and be one our AffCom contacts, which Another Believer sent to AffCom yesterday. I will confirm once that gets adjusted on their end. I will be starting the report write-up based on the conversations we are having here, and will create a page to gather more information and input from our community. As part of this, I believe we need to create a process to either elect (which we have never done) or pass on (which we are now starting to do here) this responsibility. Since these decisions take time to adjust, they may be a good issue to bring up at the November meeting to discuss. --- FULBERT (talk) 20:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Mailing list[edit]

Amir is the moderator for the LGBT email list. -- (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not just me, Luara is the main moderator. Amir (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Can you link the username for the other Mailing list moderator, Amir? --- FULBERT (talk) 20:50, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure if she's fine with that. Her email address is at the bottom of the page though: [1] Amir (talk) 00:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Facebook[edit]

I'm able to post content to the Wikimedia LGBT Facebook page, but rarely do so. Who else? -Another Believer (talk) 21:44, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Are you an effective admin for the page? There was a past discussion and I think nobody else understood how access worked. -- (talk) 22:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I guess? I was given access to the page years ago, I think by User:Varnent? I've never known who else had access to posting/admin. -Another Believer (talk) 22:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure, but I think there is a tool that can make us synchronize Facebook and Twitter posts (Twitter posts will be automatically shared on Facebook as well and vice versa). Maybe we can check that?--Kawayashu (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Previously, you could use services like HootSuite to post on Facebook and other social media platforms (i.e. Twitter) at once. Regrettably, Facebook disabled this feature. I'm pretty familiar with FaceBook pages and could potentially help with this if needed.TJMSmith (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

IRC[edit]

The #wikimedia-lgbtconnect list is normally very quiet, but has been used to support events in the past. There are about 10 people with ops privileges and about 10 hang out in the channel. Probably worth listing faelig (me), varnent and guillom as contacts for any problems, or if someone wants to ensure a friendly op is around to support an editathon or other event. Though Telegram is far more popular with our community, it does need to be linked to a mobile number. IRC remains a key way that vandal fighters and project admins coordinate alerts. Consequently it's easier there to arrange live private chats with global stewards and other trusted users if a LGBT+ contributor is having problems with harassment or want to privately talk through other issues like anonymity and being allowed to edit through a VPN. -- (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Telegram[edit]

Fae is the creator, and all participants are admins. Special dedicated temporary groups have been created for past events, which is a good thing as general microcoordination of physical events tends to put off folks who are not actually there. -- (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Twitter[edit]

Fair the say the reps for Twitter are Fæ, Lane, and Rachel? Others? -Another Believer (talk) 21:44, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

We have had a guest poster, but that's it. -- (talk) 22:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I have access to the Twitter account, but I don't think I can be its representative as I am not always using it. Yet, I want to suggest to have maybe 3 or 4 admins for the different languages. In fact, I rememebr User:RachelWex told me that according to statistics, most of the followers on Twitter are from North America, and far less from other continent. I assume this is because of the language barrier mostly (I am sure of it for at least the francophonic community), so maybe having an admin for each language can help making our communication more accessible and inclusive?--Kawayashu (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia Summit (formerly known as Wikimedia Conference)[edit]

I think we should post a list of reps at major conference as well. I rep'd the group at Wikimedia Conference 2015 and Wikimedia Conference 2016. -Another Believer (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Non-English contacts[edit]

Perhaps we could formalize a couple of folks to be handy points of contact for our LGBT+ communities in French, Spanish, or other languages, and may want to more often share updates about LGBT+ related events, or is that something handled another way? -- (talk) 23:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

The francophone project has an LGBTIQ portal and the project les sans pagEs (LSP) is explicitely tackling "gender issues". LGBTIQ people are pretty much present in LSP. We have a telegram group, a twitter account, a face book page, a wordpress website. Some of us are in the LGBTIQ telegram group. Nattes à chat (talk) 15:31, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
@Nattes à chat:: I think we should have someone as a "french contact", because not necessarly everyone in the francophonic community is aware of LessanspagEs, and surely not all of them are aware of all what the LGBT+ User Group is doing because of the language barrier.
By the way, I volunteer to be the "arabic contact".--Kawayashu (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
I can be the contact for Persian language. Amir (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

As we seem to have a couple people step up here, we may want to also consider how best to coordinate across languages and cultures. In other words, what would we hope a non-English contact could do or how make things known or available? I am not asking this to prescribe, but rather to explore how we can maximize our resources and awareness. --- FULBERT (talk) 11:26, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

LGBT+ User Group Meeting - November 19, 11:00am EST[edit]

The poll for the LGBT+ User Group Meeting (via webinar) in November, 2019, is now open. Please vote for our next day and time for us to meet: https://doodle.com/poll/xpu2ay5dwxq6zpbi
This poll will close on Monday, October 28, at 12:00pm noon EDT. --- FULBERT (talk) 15:56, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

The November, 2019 LGBT+ User Group meeting will be on Tuesday, November 19, at 11:00am EST. See your local time here. The live meeting will be via Zoom webinar https://zoom.us/j/170580743. Please download and install the Zoom player on a computer or mobile device for the best experience. The meeting agenda and page where we are tracking this is here. Please share this information with any in your network who you think will want to attend. --- FULBERT (talk) 20:25, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Queering Wikipedia Conference[edit]

Hi all,

I am happy to share with you the meta page for our Queering Wikipedia conference. For now, I am using the UG's logo until we make one for the conference. I didn't add basically any content (just did the template). Looking for your ideas and feedback (especially regarding the logo @Ladsgroup:.--Kawayashu (talk) 18:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!Nattes à chat (talk) 18:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

2018 and 2019 Annual Reports[edit]

I updated and submitted the 2018 and 2019 annual reports as required by AffCom. This should bring us again back into compliance with reporting. I will ping us here when this is all updated on there end.

Please take a look at the reports and add / edit anything that needs to be updated or included. Pinging Another Believer RachelWex Amir Kawayashu Bluerasberry Pharos for areas you all may know more about than I do when I combined these. --- FULBERT (talk) 19:07, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks you so much for doing this. Should we log the LGBT+ meetings in Wikimanias as well? Also the monthly meetings we had (just a link to the minutes) Amir (talk) 21:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
FULBERT. Sorry I forgot to ping you Amir (talk) 21:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I think that is a good idea Amir. Want to add it directly or, if easier, give me a link to them and I will add? I think we want to be as complete with these things as possible, and that is why I pinged Another Believer RachelWex Kawayashu Bluerasberry Pharos in this as well as I think they all may know of or have more information to add so we can show, as much as possible, how much the User Group and its members are really doing. --- FULBERT (talk) 11:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@FULBERT: Thank you for preparing this report! Would it be beneficial to add a mention of the LGBTQ+ lunch meetup that took place at WCNA [2]? Minutes are avalible on the etherpad. TJMSmith (talk) 02:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

As an aside, always remember to move the etherpads' contents to a wiki page once the etherpad stops being actively edited. Etherpad is not searchable and it might vanish any time (it already did several times). Nemo 08:10, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Good points TJMSmith and Nemo, thanks. Will do today. --- FULBERT (talk) 11:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I added a mention of the meetup from WikiConference North America to the 2019 report and also moved the meeting minutes out of etherpad and onto the conference page itself. --- FULBERT (talk) 20:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for working on these. I think they are fine.
So long as most people will be able to find the reporting location (navbar?) then it will be easier for anyone to add a very short abstract of any user group related event. The requirement for these reports is just that they exist and are reasonable, there is no penalty for finding out that a few things were missed, or that any specific event was not recorded as well as some might like. So I suggest that an aim of doing little more than "sufficing" is a useful approach that should never require anyone to feel exhausted or nervous about knocking these out. -- (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I sent a follow-up to AffCom and the WMF representative about our compliance status. We need a Green Check Mark of completion before we can begin discussing representation at the 2020 Wikimedia Summit. --- FULBERT (talk) 20:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

I received notification from the Wikimedia Foundation that our Annual Report for 2018-2019 has been accepted, so we are now current. With that, we are now eligible to select and register a representative by December 16 to send to the 2020 Wikimedia Summit to represent us related to the next steps with the Wikimedia Strategy. I am asking Bluerasberry to lead us in this election process as has been done in previous years, as we discussed in the November LGBT+ User Group Meeting. --- FULBERT (talk) 11:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@FULBERT: I posted below and emailed to the LGBT+ mailing list. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Introducing Wikimedia Diary: A memory book (notebook) for all[edit]

Wikipedia Education Globe 1.png Wikimedia Diary
Hello Wikimedia LGBT+, I wanna share you about Wikimedia Diary, a public memory book (notebook) in which Wikimedians from all over the world are free to write any worth noting event/activities/experiences by them or community in this Wiki world. It is a more casual place to write about what one is up to.

As we all know, a diary is a book in which diarist keeps a daily record of events and experiences. Likewise, the basic idea of Wikimedia Diary is that we do many activities here in wiki world which we are proud of, but unfortunately it became only the history anytime. So, It is meant to record those activities on the happened date with a signature (~~~~) which is worth noting, and letting fellow Wikimedians know about what inspirational you've did. It would motivate users from all around the world to keep on cool activities and publish a note. I hope you share your activities with all of us on the page, and please let your friends know about Wikimedia Diary. Also, your feedback is welcome on the discussion page. Thank you!
Kind regards,
Tulsi Bhagat, Initiator of Wikimedia Diary, Wikimedia movement communications group.
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia Summit 2020[edit]

RZ Logo Wikimedia-Summit black.png

(feel free to post this text anywhere appropriate)

This is a call for candidates who would represent Wikimedia LGBT+ at the Wikimedia Summit in Berlin in 3-5 April 2019. See details on the summit at

Anyone who could serve this role please sign your name to

The Wikimedia Summit is an international gathering of Wikimedia community group representatives who convene to develop the community recommendations for Wikimedia Movement strategy. In addition to discussing global strategy there is some opportunity at this event for representatives to negotiate collaborations with other Wikimedia affiliates.

Anyone who is interested in standing as a candidate should state their interest on Meta-Wiki in the Wikimedia LGBT+ talk page section seeking statements of interest. The deadline for nominations is Saturday 7 December 2019. By Wednesday 11 December 2019 Wikimedia LGBT+ members will have made a selection of the representative. That person should register immediately thereafter by the 16 December deadline.

The ideal candidate has the following characteristics:

  1. Past engagement with LGBT+ themed content in Wikimedia projects
  2. Past experience with any sort of Wikimedia community organization, which is the focus of the Wikimedia Summit
  3. Past participation in Wikimedia LGBT+
  4. Makes a commitment to take and publish notes of their experience at the summit within 30 days of the summit's end
  5. After expressing interest in candidacy, talk with the other candidates. Ideally candidates can negotiate a bit among themselves about who should attend this event.

Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Call for nominations[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Candidates may self-nominate here by writing a one-sentence statement of what they would do as volunteer, and also posting their signature. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC).

Nicely stated, Blue Rasberry (talk). To be clear, we as a User Group are allowed for one representative of this event, which will focus on how the Movement Strategy will be implemented and as a result will involve representing our voice in the process. Participation outside those who are invited is not really possible, so having a representative on behalf of our LGBT+ User Group holds some responsibility. --- FULBERT (talk) 22:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
  1. Hi, my name is TJ Smith and my involvement with the Wikimedia movement includes the creation of content about LGBTQ+ individuals and women academics through Wiki Loves Pride and Women in Red (WIR) on Wikipedia, Commons, and Wikidata, conference participation (Wiki North America 2018 & 2019), and planning/support for the 2020 Queering Wikipedia Conference. TJMSmith (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
  2. ...My name is Ayokanmi Oyeyemi from Nigeria; I have been involved in creating several LGBTQ+ contents in my home language Wikipedia Yoruba and also participated in various Wiki loves pride projects, wiki loves love and will be providing communication support for the 2020 Queering Wikipedia conference. In March, 2019; I attended Write for Right in Tunis and that has further helped my relationship with LGBTQ+ community more. My nomination as a representative of the Usergroup at Wikimedia summit will further reiterate the support for minority representation and my involvement in the movement strategy conversation in Nigeria which include organizing various diversity talks will be an added advantage as I will be able to represent the Usergroup well by detailing conversation around the movement strategy as it involves the LGBTQ+ community. I am also committed to give a detailed report about my representation if confirmed as a representative of the Usergroup. Thanks Kaizenify (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Nominations closed! They closed 3 days ago actually, as described above. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@TJMSmith and Kaizenify: Okay, you two are the candidates for going to the Wikimedia Summit. I am going to e-mail this message to you both to ask you to discuss among yourselves who should go, as we only have space for 1 of you. Please try to have a brief chat by email or however you like, and if you reach quick agreement then post here. In the chat seek to determine among yourselves if you can determine that either one or the other of you would better for this event. If you both want continued consideration then I will organize some other organization members to make a decision between you. Again, criteria for a good candidate to this conference is above. For the person who is not a candidate to the Summit, you can come to this organization for support to attend a future Wikimedia event, as it is in everyone's benefit to have more people who have represented Wiki LGBT+ in these sorts of events. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Registration for one of you is due by this coming Monday, so we need to have this determined by then. Please try to have this discussed and settled between yourselves TJMSmith and Kaizenify by the end of Friday, 13 December, as that will give the members of the user group two days to otherwise vote if we need to do that. It is critical we have a representative at the Summit, so please reply here and let us know how your discussion process is going. Thanks for moving this forward, Bluerasberry. --- FULBERT (talk) 11:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Bluerasberry and FULBERT; I was actually expecting Bluerasberry to start an email thread between me and TJMSmith as stated above. Don’t have the know how of sending mail to another user via here; if the mail can be sorted then we will definitely come to a resolution before Friday. Thanks once again. Kaizenify (talk) 20:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@Kaizenify: I just resent the email. Tell me immediately if you do not receive it. I expect that I have your email address, but I could have made an error. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I just got it now. Thanks Kaizenify (talk)
Hi all, I just responded :) TJMSmith (talk) 21:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I and TJMSmith chatted via mail and was agreed that I should represent the Usergroup. I am excited about this and look forward to contribute expressively to the discussion around LGBT+ community at the summit and as it affect the wikimedia movement strategy discussion and sure will update the rest of the group about the outcomes. Please reach out to me for any discussions or points you will like me to look into as regard the conference. Thank you all once again. Kaizenify (talk)

Thank you Kaizenify for being our user group representative at the upcoming Wikimedia Summit 2020. We appreciate your willingness to be our eyes, ears, and witness at this event. It is especially timely given the status of the Movement Strategy, and we look forward to your reporting back to us. Please register on the Summit page as our representative and then work with the WMF staff for the travel specs. Feel free to reach out to us with any questions or assistance you need in this. Perhaps it would be helpful if you can attend the user group meeting next week once it gets scheduled (the poll closes tonight). Thank you TJMSmith for considering this, and we look forward to your continued engagement with our user group efforts. Thanks also for the help with this election process Blue Rasberry (talk), this helped us in a very short period of time. --- FULBERT (talk) 22:09, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, much thanks to Kaizenify, TJMSmith, Bluerasberry, and FULBERT for your work here. -Another Believer (talk) 00:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you FULBERT, Bluerasberry and Another Believer; I just completed the registration now so waiting for a member of the WMDE event team to add me on the Summit page as the group representative. Will definitely need your help and so many experienced others in the coming weeks. Yes, I will definitely attend the next User group meeting. Thanks to you and every other persons. Kaizenify (talk) 16:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks everyone. It seems that registration is settled on our end and now Wikimedia Deutschland should confirm. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

LGBT+ User Group Meeting - December 19, 12:00pm EST[edit]

Select a date for the December, 2019, LGBT+ User Group Meeting
The month is flying by, so time to pause and schedule our LGBT+ User Group meeting (live via Zoom).
This poll will close on Thursday, December 12, at the end of the day. Please add as many days and times you can possibly make, as our attendee numbers have been increasing and we want to be as inclusive as possible.
https://doodle.com/poll/gpr7zhta8fbgf88n
Thank you. --- FULBERT (talk) 19:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
As a reminder, we have until the end of today to vote so we can schedule our user group meeting for next week. Feel free to review the dates and times that have already been selected if you are able to expand your options. --- FULBERT (talk) 11:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

The December LGBT+ User Group meeting will be on Thursday, December 19, at 12:00 noon EST via Zoom https://zoom.us/j/672631944. Please add agenda items and sign up as a planned attendee if you wish on the meeting page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT_User_Group_December_2019. Contact me directly if you want me to also send you a calendar appointment via email. We have lots to discuss in what may be one of our most active years ever, now going into 2020! --- FULBERT (talk) 02:22, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Friendly space policy for events[edit]

What "friendly space policy" or "code of conduct" or other similar policies should Wikimedia LGBT+ apply to events, online spaces, and its other public community forums?

On Fri 22 May - Sun 24 May, 2020 there will be a 3-day international Wiki LGBT+ conference called Queering Wikipedia. If anyone wishes to join planning or organizing for this then please go to the conference page and join conversations.

The Wikimedia Foundation is sponsoring this event. At Grants:Friendly Space Policies, the WMF has communicated that "All Wikimedia Foundation grantees are required to have a friendly space policy for their in-person events.". I am posting here to propose a friendly space policy for Wikimedia LGBT+ in general and for this conference in particular.

The process that I propose for now is that we all accept the most popular existing option. The advantage of this is that we can proceed with other issues, and at the conference, hopefully as part of the program, attendees can develop the policy for LGBT+ interests to address difficulties. The alternative is that we halt some parts of conference planning to do something new and different, such as adopt a policy which is undiscussed, or develop a new policy.

The most globally accepted Wikimedia community policy in place since 2013, which Wikimedia New York City developed for its events, is

I was part of organizing this in the context of Wiki NYC's large LGBT+ membership and regular programming. I know the policy is simple but at least no one has protested it directly. If we need one policy, then this was has been the international Wikimedia Movement default used by the Wikimedia Foundation and others for many years and seems acceptable.

I would support the co-adoption of any number of additional policies. If anyone said that Wikimedia LGBT+ should comply with a set of policies simultaneously, then I agree with that, even if it seems like a lot of text or if parts of one policy conflict with parts of another. Wiki means continual editing so whatever invites community engagement works for me.

Other policies which I like are the Wikimedia New York City Code of Conduct, developed at the direction of Megs with targeted outreach to LGBT+ communities in New York;

this non-discrimination policy which English Wikipedia WikiProject LGBT+ members developed especially with ;

and the Code of Conduct page on meta, which states that the Wikimedia community has not found consensus to accept any particular code of conduct.

I understand that various other organizations and communities might have developed friendly space policies or codes of conduct. So far as I recall, other than Wikimedia NYC and there have been no organizations which invited Wikimedia LGBT+ and its membership to comment on the development of any of these. Anyone can check the archives of this talk page to find past communication if it exists. If anyone has more stories to share or surface, then posting links here on the talk page would be a great way to do that.

Is there anyone here has an idea other than accepting the 2013 Friendly space policies as a default, and also encouraging friendly space policy discussion at this upcoming discussion? Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

So, that's maybe not a good short term answer, but I kinda feel we are missing some "tests case", something that details "here is what happened, and the policy should prevent that". A few years ago, I did participate to a workshop oranized by the feminist queer hackerspace in Paris Le Reset, on CoC enforcement. That was a collective pen and paper role playing (with 20 people), and we screwed up massively (on purpose by the organiser, who were trying to show that enforcing is hard). I think that maybe not for that event (due to ressources and time constraint), we should try to confront the policy to a mock yet realistic case, and see. Cause if there is a problem, contradiction, misunderstanding, I think that's better to notice during a test than during a real problem. Knowing clearly what we want to avoid and "testing" the policies against that is important. For example, the point made by Bluerasberry (talk · contribs) about police violence is important, but even besides that, there is conflicting requirements between "contact police and/or security" and "ask people what they want" in case someone say "I do not want the police to be involved".
I also feel that the Friendly space policies by treating all gender/sexual orientation, etc as equal have a risk of backfiring. For example, someone saying "cis het men are the worst" could be argued to be a "offensive verbal comment" based on my understanding of the text of Friendly space policies, and this feel wrong to me. Maybe there should be a notion of power dynamics or something there, even if that's harder to write (this whole comment was inspired by these tweets). --Misc (talk) 10:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I feel like this should be a session / workshop at the Queering Wikipedia conference itself: What do our existing friendly-space policies miss? Which ones do we want to use for Wikimedia LGBT+ events? What policy do we as a User Group want to propose and create?
I personally would go for Claudia's suggestion on the mailing list of using the Code of Conduct together with the English Wikipedia non-discrimination policy. I agree with the comment on the mailing list that the non-discrimination policy is anglocentric and focused on editing, but for the moment in lack of a better alternative, I would go for that anyways. --Shikeishu (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
So, if we want a session/workshop, who would be proposing it ? I think a session would be good, but 1) how long 2) what form ? --Misc (talk) 11:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
It's hard for a session on such a complex topic to stay productive unless there are clear goals. I think discussion on this topic is very much undeveloped, so before talking specific solutions it's important to agree on what should be the ultimate goals and first principles. It would be suitable for a Wikimedia LGBT+ event to focus on what an LGBT community needs and on how to avoid the risk of new structures of power being used against the LGBT communities (and individual members thereof) by whatever agenda the power of the day has.
By the way, there's an Italian hackerspace looking right now for someone willing to run a session on sexism in hacker spaces in the coming days. If you know someone in Italy, please send them my way. Nemo 23:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't really understand. Queering Wikipedia will gather the LGBTI+ community of the Wikiverse, I think it's the perfect place to discuss the needs of our community in terms of safer spaces and friendly place. The format etc. can still be decided. I can imagine suggesting such a workshop or session. --Shikeishu (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
I highly support the idea of a co-creation workshop to come up with a better FSP during the conference. I mean, isn't that the essence of the conference? And what better way to make it really fruitful and get concrete output of it? Plus we might have someone from the WMF trust and safety team, and their presence in such workshop will be very beneficial. This can be a very good idea for a proposal I think!!--Kawayashu (talk) 18:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

For what it's worth, this is the Art+Feminism Safe Space Policy Kiraface (talk) 16:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

I wrote the English Wikipedia nondiscrimination policy proposal described above, with help from others around Wikimedia LGBT+ and others. I will hope to present it at this conference, invite feedback, and perhaps try adopting it. This is all largely dependent on scholarship availability. I would be glad to host this as part of a series of discussions into friendly space policies at this and other events. (talk) 17:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
I recommend using the Contributor Covenant with updated examples of unacceptable behavior. I blogged specifics at Recommending a Friendly Space policy for Queering Wikipedia - Timid Robot. If something else is selected, the Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct - Meta (also linked above) and the Code of Conduct - LGBTQ in Technology contain excellent examples of unacceptable behavior that can be called out in the policy or in the surrounding documentation.CC-TimidRobot (talk) 00:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Hey everybody! We need to make a decision on this until at latest 15 January (Wednesday next week), so we can start with the registration process of the conference.

I actually really like your suggestions, TimidRobot! I think the Contributor Covenant has a lot of simplicitiy and positivity, which I really like. I didn't know this document before. Maybe this could be a good starting point or input for the session on creating our Wikimedia LGBT+ code of conduct at the conference?

As we also need to use a WMF friendly-space policy, I would go for:

  1. using the Code of Conduct
  2. together with the Contributor Covenant + updated examples (as TimidRobot suggested) OR the English Wikipedia non-discrimination policy (despite it being anglocentric and focused on editing)
  3. hosting a workshop on creating a code of conduct for future User Group events at the conference itself

--Shikeishu (talk) 11:13, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

  • I would go with the following two in the order of preference:
  1. using the Code of Conduct
  2. hosting a workshop on creating a code of conduct for future User Group events at the conference itself.

John Samuel 14:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I also vote for

  1. using the Code of Conduct
  2. hosting a workshop on creating a code of conduct for future Wikimedia LGBT+ user group events

RachelWex (talk) 14:49, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I accept any existing policy.

  1. I find the above mentioned mw:Code of Conduct policy problematic because it promises support from the "Code of Conduct Committee" when that organization probably cannot support us. That committee is sponsored for a certain purpose and cannot generally support Wikipedia community events. The policy itself is fine, but if anyone tries to file a report in that system, it would be like filing a report to a third party organization who is not expecting us. We could seek support from them because we are both wiki events, but in general the support which that policy offers is not available to us.
  2. Let's talk about all this at Queering Wikipedia - Queering Wikipedia/Code of conduct

Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

  1. I support both ideas: Using the code of conduct and organizing a workshop during the conference.--Kawayashu (talk) 15:02, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Sounds like we have a solution, thank you all for contributing to the discussion! :) --Shikeishu (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

workshop for code of conduct[edit]

@Shikeishu, Jsamwrites, and RachelWex: At the upcoming Queering Wikipedia conference the submissions are private in a form by default. I made a submission for a code of conduct talk here

By default I made this submission with me as presenter or to mediate discussion, but I am eager to hand this over to anyone else who would lead this. I would appreciate your strong support to include this sort of talk in that conference since this issue comes up so routinely and is so challenging. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I totally support this idea and will definitely be one of its participants if the submission is accepted.--Kawayashu (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
This is really good idea. It will be great to have inputs from the community. John Samuel 12:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Much needed, wanted by the conference leadership and most likely would be an important topic for attendees. I support. RachelWex (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Queering Wikipedia 2020 scholarship applications are open[edit]

Queering Wikipedia/Scholarships

Please go to the above page for basic information about the scholarships and for a link to the application form. Scholarships applications close on 18th January, so stick a reminder in your diary so you don't end up forgetting in the Christmas rush. -- (talk) 11:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

2019 Affiliations Committee call for candidates[edit]

The Affiliations Committee (AffCom) – the committee responsible for guiding volunteers in establishing Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups – is looking for new members!

On behalf of the committee,

Camelia Boban, AffCom member

Wikimedia Movement Strategy: 2020 Community Conversations[edit]

Dear Wikimedians,

Greetings! Wishing you a very happy new year!

We have an update for the next steps of the Movement Strategy! We're preparing for a final round of community conversations with Wikimedia affiliates and online communities around a synthesized set of draft recommendations to start around late/mid January. In the meantime, recommendations’ writers and strategy team has been working on integrating community ideas and feedback into these recommendations. Thank you, for all of your contributions!

What's New?[edit]

The recommendations writers have been working to consolidate the 89 recommendations produced by the working groups. They met in Berlin a few weeks back for an in-person session to produce a synthesized recommendations document which will be shared for public comment around late/mid January. A number of common areas for change were reflected in the recommendations, and the writers assessed and clustered them around these areas. The goal was to outline the overall direction of the change and present one set that is clearly understood, implementable and demonstrates the reasoning behind each.

What's Next?[edit]

We will be reaching out to you to help engage your affiliate in discussing this new synthesized version. Your input in helping us refine and advance key ideas will be invaluable, and we are looking forward to engaging with you for a period of thirty days from late/mid January. Our final consultation round is to give communities a chance to "review and discuss" the draft recommendations, highlighting areas of support and concern as well as indicating how your community would be affected.

Please share ideas on how you would like to meet and discuss the final draft recommendations when they are released near Mid January whether through your strategy salons, joining us at global and regional events, joining online conversations, or sending in notes from affiliate discussions. We couldn't do this without you, and hope that you will enjoy seeing your input reflected in the next draft and final recommendations. This will be an opportunity for the movement to review and respond to the recommendations before they are finalized.

If possible, we'd love if you could feature a discussion of the draft recommendations at the next in-person meeting of your affiliate, ideally between the last week of January and the first week of February. If not, please let us know how we can help support you with online conversations and discussing how the draft recommendations fit with the ideas shared at your strategy salon (when applicable).

The input communities have shared so far has been carefully documented, analyzed, and folded into the synthesized draft recommendations. Communities will be able to see footnotes referencing community ideas. What they share again in January/February will be given the same care, seriousness, and transparency.

This final round of community feedback will be presented to the Board of Trustees alongside the final recommendations that will be shared at the Wikimedia Summit.

Warmly -- User:RSharma (WMF) 15:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

One day left to apply for a Queering Wikipedia 2020 scholarship![edit]

Queering_Wikipedia/Scholarships

The closing date for receiving applications is 18th January.

If you want to apply for a scholarship, go click on the application form now. It only takes about ten or fifteen minutes to fill out, and you can edit it later if there's something you forgot. If you know of someone else that might be interested in applying, send them the link quick! -- (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

LGBT+ User Group Meeting: January 21, 2020 - 2:00pm EST[edit]

Please select a date for the January, 2020, LGBT+ User Group Meeting: https://doodle.com/poll/uy4uyg3a6gm8zvzi
This poll will close on Saturday, January 18, at the end of the day. Thank you. --- FULBERT (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

The January LGBT+ User Group meeting will be on Tuesday, January 21, at 2:00pm EST via Zoom https://zoom.us/j/360321644. Please add agenda items and sign up as a planned attendee if you wish on the meeting page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT_User_Group_January_2020. Contact me directly if you want me to also send you a calendar appointment with this information via email. We have a big year ahead of us! --- FULBERT (talk) 19:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia 2030: Movement Strategy Community conversations are here![edit]

Dear Affiliate Representatives and community members,

The launch of our final round of community conversation is finally here! We are excited to have the opportunity to invite you to take part. 
The recommendations have been published! Please take time over the next five weeks to review and help us understand how your organization and community would be impacted.

What Does This Mean?

The core recommendations document has now been published on Meta in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. This is the result of more than a year of dedicated work by our working groups, and we are pleased to share the evolution of their work for your final consideration. 
In addition to the recommendations text, you can read through key documents such as Principles, Process, and the Writer’s Reflections, which lend important context to this work and highlight the ways that the recommendations are conceptually interlinked.
We also have a brief Narrative of Change [5] which offers a summary introduction to the recommendations material. 

How Is My Input Reflected In This Work?

Community input played an important role in the drafting of these recommendations. The core recommendations document reflects this and cites community input throughout in footnotes. I also encourage you to take a look at our community input summaries. These texts show a further analysis of how all of the ideas you shared last year through online conversations, affiliate meetings, and strategy salons connect to recommendations. Many of the community notes and reports not footnoted in the core recommendations document are referenced here as evidence of the incredible convergence of ideas that have brought us this far.  

What Happens Now?

Affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders have the next five weeks to discuss and share feedback on these recommendations. In particular, we’re hoping to better understand how you think they would impact our movement - what benefits and opportunities do you foresee for your affiliate, and why? What challenges or barriers would they pose for you? Your input at this stage is vital, and we’d like to warmly invite you to participate in this final discussion period.

We encourage volunteer discussion co-ordinators for facilitating these discussions in your local language community on-wiki, on social media, informal or formal meet ups, on-hangouts, IRC or the village pump of your project. Please collect a report from these channels or conversations and connect with me directly so that I can be sure your input is collected and used. Alternatively, you can also post the feedback on the meta talk pages of the respective recommendations.

After this five week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review before the recommendations are finalized. You can view our updated timeline here as well as an updated FAQ section that addresses topics like the goal of this current period, the various components of the draft recommendations, and what’s next in more detail. 
Thank you again for taking the time to join us in community conversations, and we look forward to receiving your input. (Please help us by translating this message into your local language). Happy reading! RSharma (WMF) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)