User talk:Colton Cosmic

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I have blocked as it is clear your only purpose here is to canvass for an unban on the English Wikipedia, trying to bypass enwiki's canvassing rules on Meta. None of this matter has anything to do with Metawiki, and the usage of this wiki for this purpose is clearly improper. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 17:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Snowolf, I didn't canvas anything. I invited people to comment without knowing how they'd view it (obviously this is true, as you are one I invited, and look at what you have just done). Canvasing means trying to gin up people likely to support.

You are completely and factually incorrect that this was "my only purpose on Metawiki." I started months ago by querying trustees on their support for the recently-revised WMF access-to-non-public-information policy, continued with discussion of ways to representatively poll editors across all wikis (I happened to be personally thanked by Lila Tretikov ([1]) for part of that), and so on and so on and so on. All of this is clear in my editing history which you evidently are thoroughly going through and reverting, even including to revert the substantial and good faith comments of others who've responded to me. Which is controversial, isn't it?

So I hope that recognize that your actions here were quite hasty, unrevert everything you've deleted, and unblock my account. Or at least point me to the method to contest this. Colton Cosmic (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

May I ask another administrator to have a look at this please, as Snowolf seems to have wandered off, and his or her absences can be a week or two, judging by his or her contributions log. DangSunM Ajraddatz Pmlineditor whym -revi Ahonc Heather_(WMF). Apologies for pinging that many, but I've come to think most don't even notice pings so I have to do it, as well I've really no other idea at all how to contest Snowolf's block. My response to it is above. He or she is factually incorrect, here on the talkpage and also in my block log (which I hope is notated to correct that) that all I ever do on Meta is what he or she said. I have other substantial activity here. I also ask you to review whether it is proper to block me without warning or advance discussion. Anything else I can answer, just let me know. Colton Cosmic (talk) 21:56, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Would you have a look Eurodyne billinghurst MF-Warburg Mentifisto Guillom? Again, there's no attempt by me to bug people with pings, but the fact seems to be that most ignore their pings. Obviously, if you let me know you object you'll not hear from me again. Colton Cosmic (talk) 14:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Just a note most of the users you pinged are not sysops here on meta. Don't know why you pinged us... It doesn't matter if you were canvassing or not on meta. You were using the wiki for the wrong reasons to get unbanned on the English Wikipedia. If you want to request unblock, on enwiki, you can use the utrs system. --Eurodyne (talk) 23:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Eurodyne, I tried UTRS but they don't respond. You're steering this into the single point that I tried to get some discussion on my ban appeal here, which is not forbidden from anything I've read, but right or wrong on that the larger point as I said above is that I participated substantially on other stuff here. Right now, WMF lawyer Luis Villa has addressed something to me that I'd like to respond to, but can't. Snowolf mistakenly said I didn't do anything but talk of my ban. Even were that all as he or she thought, wouldn't it better to say "stop doing that, or I will block you," rather than just stepping on me without discussion, and then going away for who knows how long, and leaving me not knowing what to do? Colton Cosmic (talk) 02:47, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't care about your block or other things in other wikis than Meta, but if you want to appeal the block, the only, and the official way is {{Unblock}}. Do not ping admins for that reason, please - though I'm not a sysop (yet). — revi^☏ 14:10, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

What Revi said! Use of the template will get someone's attention, and I look at its use in Recent Changes every day or so.

Dumping your complaint onto meta talk pages is not the way to broach a matter, especially with regard to other wiki's blocks. Your actions and your approach looks to be self-indulgent. Meta can be used to ask a question of an enWP administrator if you are blocked, which they may or may not respond (their choice). Now all that said, the means to address this is via the UTRS process, and if that fails then to escalate to English Wikipedia ArbCom.

Re to your block here, please use the unblock template, and submit your reasons why you should be unblocked, and how your actions will be different from those that got you blocked.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I did not know that that template was the way to proceed. It is different "tl?" than the one at English Wikipedia. Billinghurst, you are wrong that I'm being self-indulgent, I originated seven or eight articles at English Wikipedia and substantially contributed to a score of others. There are important contributions I'd like to make there still. Your advice re: the unblock template calls for me to assume all fault for my being blocked here ("how your actions will be different than those that got you blocked") and leaves no opening at all for me to refer to any fallibility in the action of the blocking admin. But Snowolf was demonstrably incorrect that all I did here was talk up my block, neither was it the overwhelming centerpiece of it. You shouldn't make the fundamental and mandatory part of any unblock request an admission by the user that it's all his or her fault! Nevertheless I will try the template like you and Revi said, give me a little while and please don't just walk away. Colton Cosmic (talk) 15:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Why are you pinging non-sysops? As an autopatroller, we can't do anything nor can we care more or less about this issue. Eurodyne (talk) 17:42, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Eurodyne, I noticed you participating in a administrative discussion, I think an RFA, and thought you might an administrator. It's not an hundred percent obvious to everyone who is an administrator and who is not. Please excuse me if you found my notification to you bothersome. Colton Cosmic (talk) 17:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I do often participate in discussions in general. Just a note, most of the users you pinged are not sysops. --Eurodyne (talk) 17:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Unblock request declined This blocked user has had their unblock request reviewed by one or more administrators, who has/have reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators can also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. Request reason: Snowolf blocked on his or her repeated statement (this is above on this page and in the block-log as well) that all I did on Meta was canvass to be unbanned on English Wikipedia. This is factually incorrect. I have substantially participated on Meta in other ways, for example I gave the WMF Executive Director some advice on random polling and was personally thanked by her (see above for link) as well I made comments on the adoption of the WMF access-to-non-public-information policy, etc. etc. Yes, I also sought discussion on my English Wikipedia ban appeal, as I've been muted over there, UTRS doesn't answer my email, and I've nowhere else to turn. However if polite conversation on that this is truly deemed "clearly inappropriate" here as it was by Snowolf, I will cease and desist it on instruction of the unblocking administrator. Colton Cosmic (talk) 16:05, 12 October 2014 (UTC) Decline reason: I have declined the unblock due to the ongoing approach of the user. I have, however, changed the block from infinite to 1 year, and hope that in that time the user will be able to adopt a different approach. I would also note that if there is not a different approach that any future block is likely to be permanent.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Noting response from user at enWP [2] বাংলা | English | español | français | magyar | italiano | 한국어 | Plattdüütsch | Nederlands | українська | 中文 | edit

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Meta-wiki is not an appeal system for enwiki bans. It never has been. You have made well over a hundred edits regarding your unblock request, spamming and canvassing dozens of English Wikipedia administrators regarding your ban. Yes, you have made a small amount of edits unrelated to this in the past, but are personal communication with other users which could be undertaken thru any method of your choosing, rather than Meta-Wiki, where Meta-Wiki was simply a useful outlet for, and which this block does not impact at all, as out of 170 edits, only two are outside the User and User discussion namespace. The brazen and inappropriate campaign of canvassing you've undertaken dwarfs in scope and lack of any relations to Meta-Wiki almost anything I have seen here before. I have had no interactions with you on the English Wikipedia, or have any idea why you've been banned. However, your behavior here is absolutely inappropriate and even just the fact that you thought it appropriate to begin with does not bode well. I recommend that the reviewing administrators ensures that you leave Enwiki disputes on Enwiki before any unblock is considered, if this is how it ends up when you don't. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 17:17, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Snowolf, I feel that you are deliberately using inflammatory language like "spam" to incorrectly and unfairly characterize me. Spam is a computer sending annoying and unwelcome emails to a huge and indiscriminate number of recipients that don't want it. I posted polite and neutral and personally adddressed notifications on user-talkpages and no-one has ever complained. You also quarrel that I haven't posted enough outside user discussion namespace, but that was how I was contributing, through discussion. Meta is not like Wikipedia where I could reasonably be expected to go work on some articles. I understand that it is very dangerous for me to question the propriety of any administrative action, but after the your comment above, must also ask the unblock-considering administrator to consider if it was right that your first action with me was to block me without warning, prior discussion, or even to point me to a method I could use to appeal. Colton Cosmic (talk) 17:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I see you still see nothing wrong with well over a hundred edits spamming random people with your unblock messages unrelated to this wiki. I rest my case. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 18:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I have to support Snowolf here. Most advertisements and junk mail are nice and polite. The reason they are so nice and polite is so that they can get you to buy what ever they are advertising. That is kind of what you are doing now. I think this is not okay. --Eurodyne (talk) 18:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

For the unblock-considering administrator, here is an example of what they are calling "spam:"

== Would You Consider Supporting My Ban Appeal? == Hi, @Fences and windows: I'm banned from Wikipedia English, and hoping to strike up enough of a community discussion to overturn it. Would you consider participating in that discussion? I made a space for it at my Meta talkpage, here: [3]. Unfortunately, I warn you it is a long read. But I'd also say it's for something important to me. Colton Cosmic (talk) 15:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Colton Cosmic (talk) 18:35, 12 October 2014 (UTC) PS: There're certainly not "over an hundred" of these as Snowolf just claimed, however there are "dozens" as he or she *previously* claimed, I would suppose about 32, of which not a single addressee complained (prior Snowolf).

My comment to you after reading the above is the following bit of advice … "when you are in a hole, stop digging." I won't be removing the block, and would encourage you to reflect upon your approach to self-advocacy.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Billinghurst, I didn't dig this hole, I was thrown into it. You mistake self-defense for self-advocacy. I'll not willingly stand by and be labeled "The Meta Spammer." In the block request box, I have said that if the unblocking administrator also deems the discussing of my English Wikipedia unban off-limits here on Meta, I will abide by that but this was not my understanding at all of Meta, which I thought to be an open and liberal environment for discussion of many things that go on on the other wiki projects. Colton Cosmic (talk) 10:39, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I thought that was what Meta was for as well Colton and in fact that is one of the reasons it was started, for the discussion of topics that cross multiple wiki's. However, at some point Meta became self serving and now only cares about what occurs on this wiki. The ignore the problem tactic, as we both know, is one that is in use across many of the WMF wiki's and is a contributor to the steady decline of the project. The mentality that if you do not agree you are a threat is a major problem and I doubt its one that is going to be fixed. I for one had no problem with your message on my talk page as it was of no harm but I stated there I felt it had little chance of success due to the culture that has been engrained into this family of Wiki's. Its just more of the if you aren't an admin, you aren't needed or wanted. A culture and mentality that needs to be seriously addressed by the WMF and dealt with as it is getting out of hand. Good luck in the future Colton. Reguyla (talk) 14:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Vituzzu, Tegel, Notafish: Would you mind considering unblocking this account? The situation is up above, it's diminishing returns for me to recap it again. Excuse me for pinging you out of the blue, but no-one seems to be responding to the unblock template, and I was having a discussion at Lila's talkpage that I'd like to get back to. Any questions of course, I'm happy to answer them. Colton Cosmic (talk) 09:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Collapsed unwanted Eurodyne comment and my response
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Let me make some suggestions here as I do have experience with blocks. (I was blocked on enwiki for a while and was just unblocked recently) Own up to what you did and apologize for it. Step away from this project for a while and go contribute to another Wikimedia project. When contributing to other projects, you can show that you won't make the same mistake again. Stop pinging other sysops and begging for an unblock. It just makes them more annoyed. When appealing, give a good reason for an unblock. Agree to follow the guidelines of whatever project you are blocked on. Eurodyne (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC) Eurodyne, I really think by now you have had your say and then some on this. My talkpage is not an administrative discussion board so I'd ask you to unwatchlist now if that's what you've done, and move along to something else, somewhere else, in any event. Colton Cosmic (talk) 16:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Teles, Glaisher, Anthere, Avraham: Excuse the pings please but I've been waiting three days for action on my unblock request and hearing only crickets. Would you mind considering unblocking? My basis is in the box above above. The time has lapsed to where it's completely interrupted my discussion at Lila's talkpage, including the WMF lawyer that responded to me. I don't mean to complain, but I was participating in the public forum there, and Snowolf's assertion above that this is unaffected by the block and I could just be emailing or telephoning the others is pretty outrageous. Any questions of course, I'm happy to answer them. Colton Cosmic (talk) 17:05, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

If you continue to ping admins constantly, your privilege to edit your talk make may be revoked. As of now, it doesn't seem like there is a consensus to unblock now. Eurodyne (talk) 22:09, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

The user's ability to edit this page was already removed yesterday for that very reason. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 23:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh okay. Well I guess that's why I haven't gotten anymore pings. Eurodyne (talk) 00:18, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Advice

Eurodyne already gave you excellent advice which you insulted. I have long history with being blocked, and, as well, with assisting others at addressing blocks. I'm "community-banned" on en.wiki, and have not requested unban, because I don't want to be unbanned. Call it sanity, but this is a choice for you to make. If you wanted to be unblocked here, you basically broke a series of rules that I and others with experience would -- or did -- suggest. If you'd like to learn how to handle being blocked, and how to successfully request unblock, you are free to email me, your email has not been cut off. I have not reviewed your history, I would do so on request. --Abd (talk) 23:05, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I would favor shortening the block, at least. Leucosticte (talk) 02:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)