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Wikimedia Café/minutes 2020 04

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Saturday 25 April 2020 at 9:30 AM Pacific time / 12:30 PM Eastern time / 4:30 PM UTC / 10 PM IST[edit]

  1. Welcome, as described above
  2. Maps in Wikipedia!
    1. presents of en:List of COTA bus routes, bus routes in Ohio, United States
    2. Other map projects
      1. Wikidata
        1. timeline of number of items for bus stops
        2. bus stops on map (ca. 10k globally)
        3. bus routes on map (almost none)
        4. properties for bus stops
        5. map of subway stations in Paris
        6. Tram lines in Vienna
  3. Fundraising for Wikimedia projects outside the Wikimedia Foundation
    1. Review of precedent
    2. Focus on seeking sponsorship for small groups
      1. in-kind venue hosting
      2. actually getting money
      3. other ideas?
  4. What should we discuss in the future about Wikidata?
    1. Desire to have future Wikidata talk
    2. How do we even outline or start a Wikidata discussion?


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  1. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Rich Farmbrough 02:46 18 April 2020 (GMT).
  3. (talk) 19:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Abhinav619 (talk) 07:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 11:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Sankoswal (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  7.  Innocentbunny    TALK  21:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Michaelgraaf (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Clifford Snow (talk) 00:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Minh Nguyễn 💬 01:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Arlo Barnes (talk) 05:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Vermont (talk) 16:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Ainali (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually attended[edit]

  1. Jan Ainali - mostly active in Wikimedians for Sustainable Development. Also edit OSM and Mapillary. Wikimedia Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands
  2. Pine
  3. Geert Van Pamel, WMBE - chair of the affiliate, using Wikidata + Wikipedia, Quickstatements, and OpenStreetMap + Raspberry Pi
  4. cliffordsnow - OpenStreetMap, my one contribution to the Wikipedia project is to use Wikidata and wiki tags in OSM, interested in bus mapping because we are mapping sidewalks for people with disabilities. We map ramps, bus information, and report elevation.
  5. Michael Graaf (user: michaelgraaf)- a member of Wikimedia South Africa, also in the organizing committee for the State of the Map conference in Cape Town which now will be online and not in person. Also promoting access to information offline, including through Kiwix and with Raspberry pi devices.
  6. Lane (taking notes)
  7. Abhinav - in India, a member of Hindi User Group, also editing English Wikipedia, and regular at Wikimedia Cafe
  8. User:Ɱ - living in Columbus Ohio, formerly in New York City
  9. Jeremy B -in the New York City Wikimedia chapter and also interested in maps
  10. Minh Nguyen -
  11. Vermont - I primarily do SWMT work, cross-wiki antivandalism, anti-spam, etc.
  12. George Ho -just here to watch! Thanks! I edit Wikipedia like anyone else. Recently I have been editing articles and starting discussions on individual files, images, etc. I am a college student!
  13. Charles Outters - hello! I am a Wikipedia contributor. I have been interested in using maps. I am following the group about historical maps. The goal is to see historical layers of places. I am a bit isolated in Ukraine because we do not have a wiki group here.
  14. Sanket Oswal - I am in Pune India. I am contributing to Wikidata and the SWASTHA project for COVID-19 articles
  15. Shubham Rathod
  16. Viresh
  1. pre-meeting about video chat
    1. Clifford: We have been experimenting with big blue button
    2. Jeremy - (describes various video products)
  2. Welcome
  3. Maps in Wikipedia!
    1. Ɱ presents of en:List of COTA bus routes, bus routes in Ohio, United States
      1. Columbus is well known in the United States but not so know internationally.
      2. I have lived here for 6 months! Columbus is the largest city in the United States which does not have rail transit.
      3. COTA, the mass transit system, is quite extensive. There is local political controversy about whether to have rail, but for now, it is just buses.
      4. I wanted to make Wikipedia artile coverage for the buses here.
      5. I checked for similar Wikipedia articles and the best that I found was for Lahore in Pakistan.
      6. I was trying to figure out how to show maps in English Wikipedia. I had to export data from OpenStreetMap then put it into Wikipedia.
      7. Based on knowing how to do this in OpenStreetMap I have also been able to make neighborhood boundaries.
    2. Questions?
    3. Jan - It's beautiful! Nice work!
      1. Abhinav - Indeed ! Daam Beauty
    4. Jan - I am interested in the process of how it was done
      1. Mike - I found bus routes on OSM.
      2. I wanted to move this to English Wikipedia.
      3. Eventually I found the "relation number" on OSM, which is the key to exporting data.
      4. (Mike describes his process)
      5. Switch to the Transport map layer using the Layers sidebar on the right
      6. Click the query elements button on the right side of the map to find the relation representing the route: ###https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8343040
      7. Example Overpass query based on the relation ID in that URL: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/RXB
      8. The ID filter is one of many possible filters: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Overpass_QL#By_element_id
      9. Run the query, then click Export in the toolbar and export as GeoJSON
      10. In Commons, create a page in the Data: namespace with the .map extension, like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:COTA10.map
      11. When you create the page, replace the “data” property with the exported GeoJSON and set the “license” property to “ODbL-1.0”
      12. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Kartographer#Map_data_from_Commons
    5. Jan - I want to play around with this
      1. I have tried reading tutorials and I do not think it is very clear
    6. Clifford: Have you compared the OSM data to the current COTA routes? Is OSM up to date?
      1. Mike: From 1971 - 2017 COTA had not changed their routes at all. In 2017 there were some changes and now those are stable. Because of this it has been easy to keep the routes up to date. For something like rail lines probably the data would be even more stable
      2. Clifford - you are lucky! My little city has changed routes and moved bus stops many times.
      3. Minh - That stability is pretty awesome. I currently live in a county where they’ve overhauled their route network every year for like 5 years in a row.
      4. Mike - there should theoretically be a way to automatically update this Wiki data when OSM updates
    7. Clifford - Too bad that OSM doesn’t have persistent id
      1. Minh - with that caveat it is possible to get a map like this which can pull from open street map. Each of these would need a Wikidata item for itself. Relations in OSM do not have persistent ID.
      2. Mike - I tried adding Wikidata items to OSM and OSM information to Wikidata. I did this for the Lexington line in New York City for example.
      3. Minh - if you make a map frame in a Wikipedia article using a SPARQL query then I think it makes a map from from OSM (???) There is a service called Geoline or Geoshape that takes the QIDs returned by the SPARQL query and matches them to QIDs tagged on OSM relations.
      4. Minh - it seems to know relations which already have Q ids .
      5. Mike - I think that is why it does not show COTA routes but it does show NYC subway routes
      6. Pine - I have heard of this process of Wikidata being a link between OSM and Wikipedia
    8. Jan - do these transit lines have Wikidata items?
      1. Mike - yes, I had to create them
      2. Jan - so in that case, we cannot get the line in the map just by pointing to a Q id, can we?
      3. Mike - this is what I tried about a month ago but it does not show the COTA routes
      4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%E2%B1%AE/sandbox35
      5. (Jan demos a tool for mapping)
      6. Jan shows "service: geoline"
      7. Minh - According to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T218097#6011573, any OSM element tagged after January 24 won’t be picked up by this geoline service.
      8. Minh - there is a paralle service called "geoshape" for polygons. I was trying to map stay at home orders for COVID-19: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:Stay-at-home_orders_in_the_United_States.map. One of the first ones was in the Navajo nation, but I couldn’t get it to show up on the map.
    9. The Wikimedia Foundation turned off the OSM syncing around 24 January 2020 due to lack of disc space.
      1. Pine: it seems like of all the problems in the technical world lack of disc space should not be one that we are having.
      2. Pine: there was some discussion in the Wikimedia maps mailing list that the regular map maintainer is on personal leave and that current suppor is paused.
    10. Pine: If anyone has requests post on that phabricator ticket asking for map services, and consider subscribing to updates
    11. Pine: any other comments? thanks M!
  4. Fundraising for Wikimedia projects outside the Wikimedia Foundation
    1. Pine - I am interested in this topic to have community projects not dependant on Wikimedia Foundation funding.
      1. Pine - for example, Wikimedia DE has been able to get funding
      2. Jan - in general Wikimedia Sweden has been lucky to get funding from outside the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikimedia Sweden has had about 50% funding from outside the Wikimedia Foundation.
    2. Clifford - The Red Cross has help fund Missing Maps events in Seattle thought not in recent history.
    3. Pine - various museums in my city has been challenging.
    4. Jan - what happens in the United States? will the wiki chapters there fund?
    5. Clifford - "Missing Maps" has an outreach program to corporations to get their employees to volunteer some time. Microsoft has participated, for example.
      1. Clifford - in the OSM community we are considering replacing meetup.com to use to advertise meetups
    6. Pine - one of the major problems in managing grants of any size is organizing the reporting of grants. Volunteers have challenges providing accounting reports because volunteers have trouble
    7. George - is funding from corporations allowed? We are discussing funding from outside the WMF. PBS and NPR do fundraisers. Can we do this?
    8. Pine - in the Wikimedia movement corporations can provide financial support but there is always concern that corporations would tilt the scales in their favor.
    9. Pine - there are sponsored staff positions like Wikimedians in residence, where a museum might sponsor a staff Wikipedian to organize events at the museum.
    10. Pine - staff time from universities having students to write Wikipedia pages in relation to their curriculum
    11. Abhinav: Well in India, to get funding it is important to have 12 A and 80 G certificates as per the Income Tax Act
    12. Abhinav: Yes, otherwise whoever lends cannot make claim (file return) either for a company or individual Most people whom I have met and are ready to fund, stop because of these
    13. It is not very easy to attain the certificate
    14. Viresh - meetups depend on the number of participants. I organized a conference in Kolkata, for example, for 40-50 people. A program like this should cost 6-7 lakh rupees at most This is about US$10,000
    15. Abhinav: an event like that could be US4000
    16. Abhinav - Events mostly have been funded from the Wikimedia Foundation. Very Very rarely but yes there have been few For Media-Wiki and all Oracle etc have funded
    17. Abhinav: @Lane : $10 is enough for a local meetup 7-8 people , from my Delhi perspective, we pay for our own coffee.
    18. Viresh - on an average we take flight costs to be somewhere between ₹ 9k-7k which is $120-$90
  5. What should we discuss in the future?
    1. George: can we get an update on the 2030 strategic process? we were expecting an update before COVID
    2. George: can we have a meeting where we discuss copyright in general and in Wikimedia projects
    3. George - let's talk about new user experience, being friendly to new users
    4. George - how we interpret our statistics about gender diversity, not just in Wikipedia but in many related projects
    5. George - accessibility of offline sources
    6. George - reliability of Wikipedia itself - in terms of general quality , both intentional and unintentional information
    7. clifford - suggestion for a meeting - lack of gender diversity in this channel :)
      1. we have this same problem in OSM
    8. Jan - Unrelated shameless plug, in 30 minutes me and User:Abbe98 will livestream Wikidata editing, find feeds here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Weekly_Network