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Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core

Sorry for English, I hope someone translates this.
Pywikibot (then "Pywikipediabot") was started back in 2002. In 2007 a new branch (formerly known as "rewrite", now called "core") was started from scratch using the MediaWiki API. The developers of Pywikibot have decided to stop supporting the compat version of Pywikibot due to bad performance and architectural errors that make it hard to update, compared to core. If you are using pywikibot compat it is likely your code will break due to upcoming MediaWiki API changes (e.g. T101524). It is highly recommended you migrate to the core framework. There is a migration guide, and please contact us if you have any problem.

There is an upcoming MediaWiki API breaking change that compat will not be updated for. If your bot's name is in this list, your bot will most likely break.

Thank you,
The Pywikibot development team, 19:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

You could also mention this on the Tech page here, mw:Project:Current issues (the closest equivalent to a "Village Pump (technical)" that I could find on mediawiki.org), and in a {{Warning}} on Pywikibot. http://tools.wmflabs.org/ hosts a lot of "xyzbot" tools, but doesn't seem to have an announcements page Good luck! -- SPage (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Highlights from May 2015

Here are the highlights from the Wikimedia blog in May 2015.
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Please let's follow Armenian Wikiquote

Dear Stewarts, in Armenian Wikiquote, on Վիքիքաղվածք:Հարցում/Քվեարկությունների մասնակցության կանոնակարգ voting by name Seskfabrega voted Oppose, but this user that time is not have a edit. My personal according to this user that time user not have right to vote. But I want Stewards views. --Դեմ խմբակային իշխանությանը (talk) 14:00, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello. The Wikiquote in armenian language is at liberty to approve a voting policy to restrict voting to users meeting some criteria as some projects already do. If the request has to be actioned by stewards, in some cases we have discounted votes because of obvious sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry or canvassing. Best regards. —MarcoAurelio 18:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Allow admins adding confirmed user group on all WMF wikis

In phab:T101981, Bennylin fails to grant confirmed flag to a user in a wiki. This is because no one but stewards and sysadmins can add it defaultly. Confirmed users only have few extra rights and enabling this doesn't harm anything. So I purpose enabling this flag on all WMF wikis (See phab:T101983). Others' idea?--GZWDer (talk) 01:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

  • IMO All Administrator on all Wikimedia Wikis should be allowed to add Confirmed to user account, I see no reason why admin are not allowed to add confirmed status to user account that they could trust as by default Administrator itself are user who perform "administrative action" and can be trusted.--AldNonymousBicara? 09:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Support Totally in favor.--Syum90 (talk) 10:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Question I'm not sure I understand this. I'm an admin on the English WP and can grant this userright there. Are you saying that this is different on other wikis? Or are you proposing that someone who is an admin on a wiki, should be able to grant this userright on any other wiki, too? --Randykitty (talk) 11:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Yes, it's different; only few wikis allow admins to assign users to 'confirmed' group (enwiki is one of those). This proposal is about having that same configuration by default on all Wikimedia wikis. --Glaisher (talk) 11:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Yeah, original proposal is a bit wrong (per Glaisher). Note that an even smaller number of wikis only allow bureaucrats to grant this, not sysops - if this proposal succeeds, I expect we'll exempt those ones (and continue only letting bureaucrats grant it there, rather than open it to sysops). --Krenair (talkcontribs) 13:56, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as the person who report it. Thanks to GZWDer (Bugreporter) to start this discussion here. Also, I agree with Krenair to leave some wikis only bureaucrat can grant this right to user. Bennylin
  • Support Support Got it, thanks for the above clarifications. Makes sense to me. Support as amended by Krenair. --Randykitty (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I think we can trust sysops to add and remove this permission by default on all wikis they ain't able to do it already. Some wikis do have bureaucrats able to add/remove it, maybe we should leave them untouched. —MarcoAurelio 18:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Question Question: : Would crats inherit that right from admin? For example, would a non-admin bureaucrat able to grant/revoke that right locally? Bennylin 08:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Are there any projects with non-admin bureaucrats or are we playing "what if.."?
  • Support Support Has proven helpful on the English Wikipedia - should be available to all wiki administrators/bureaucrats (whoever each wiki decides shall control it - but by default, it should be admins). Rjd0060 (talk) 11:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Seems useless to me, big wikis which have a need usually have this configuration enabled already, while the majority of the wikis is likely too small to get involved with user rights stuff. It's definitely better dealt with by stewards on those wikis, in my opinion. Vogone (talk) 12:45, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
    @Vogone: However it's useful for allow (trusted) users in new wikis to move pages. In addition, some wikis have wgAutoConfirmCount, where confirmed user group is useful.--GZWDer (talk) 13:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
    Indeed, there might be use cases, but I doubt it's a good idea to put this extra-burden on small wiki admins without them even having asked for it. Stewards would rather not handle this anymore if small wiki admins could, and as we all know, small wikis tend to be rather inactive. Vogone (talk) 13:38, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
    @Vogone: However, in my opinion small wiki admins having this tool is not harmful, but useful when really needs. Probably we may allow stewards to remove unused confirmed flag (because of already autoconfirmed and/or inactivity) in small wikis, and allow stewards to add this flag if there're no active local admins or in urgent situations.--GZWDer (talk) 13:43, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Support I don't really see a huge need for this myself but I don't see anything wrong with doing it. If they get the right to add this right though, they also need to be able to remove it in case its done in error. Otherwise this seems like a logical change now that we are going to global accounts. In reality there are probably very few (in the order of a couple dozen) that would even do this. Reguyla (talk) 17:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Available Now (June 2015)

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An open letter to Wikipedia and the WMF.

It's a long time since I have done any work here, due to some problems in the past. I have been getting a lot of questions about my issues, from people across various Wikis, so in an effort to close my book, I've written an open letter to the staff of the WMF and to Wikipedia. I think it's best I direct people to it, so I can say what I have to say and get it over with. If you wish to read it, or you have some knowledge as to why I was away, you may find the page here. My apologies if this post is in the wrong place, any meta admin please feel free to move it to where it should be. Thanks! BarkingFish (talk) 13:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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21:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Azvikipedia

(I wrote about it. But there was no reaction ?! The reason I am writing again. Please avoid vandalism.)

User:sefer azeri' is engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out.), 2 (Without any major wiped out the picture., , ) , 3 (Fraud. Map changed. 100 years have reduced the state's history.), 4 (Insult.)... Requires block it for at least a year. But it was never punished for their work. Sortilegus always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out), 2 (The name of the state, has been removed.), 3 (Reliable sources wiped out)... Wertuose always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Picture of the article - az:Bakı xan sarayı), is deleted.. 2 (insult; Əxlaqsız ifadələrə görə...). The 3 users blocked me, without any reason! We do not have arbitration and appellate courts. Therefore, administrators dictator. No one can give me an answer?! To whom should I complain? -Idin Mammadof (talk) 22:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Of course you won't get a response, this is not a place to make this report, Request for comment is the correct place to ask about sysop abuse.--AldNonymousBicara? 23:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Perhaps now would be the reaction?. -Idin Mammadof talk 07:55, 14 Yune 2015 (UTC)
Comment regarding that RfC will be made by anyone who read and care about the case. But on the most part other uninvolved admin from local projects should be the one who decide and solve it instead of people from meta.--AldNonymousBicara? 09:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Of course. But our adminstrators will not see any action. -Idin Mammadof talk 05:44, 16 Yune 2015 (UTC)
AldNonymous, there is no reaction. What do I do? -Idin Mammadof talk 18:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

License policy abuse on votewiki

There's https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Timbo-super-serious.jpg in these with unclear copyright status. Unfortunately common people can't even edit the wiki in order to report the abuse so I'm reporting it here. Please move it to Commonswiki or delete it for good. Such a display of spitting on own licensing policy by WMF is disgusting :P --Base (talk) 16:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC) Omg we don't even have an interwiki prefix for the wiki. --Base (talk) 16:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Have you tried contacting the uploader, Jalexander-WMF to discuss it with him? That's usually a good first step, esp. since he is one of only two non-blocked admin on the project. (Oddly, Reedy is still an admin, though blocked.) Alternately, Philippe (WMF) is also an admin on that wiki and could probably help. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 17:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
The picture was uploaded under fair use and says such along with the author's name. There is no abuse of the license policy. It will be deleted over the coming week as we clean up from the election (probably over the next couple days) since it is no longer needed. I'm sorry that you don't like that it was done, however the image was deleted suddenly from commons (and, to be fair, it should have been) and not having the image or having a red link would have been an unfair disadvantage to the candidate. Jalexander--WMF 07:59, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
As James says, there's no long-term intent to keep or use that file. It was short-term, fair-use, and used to not unfairly disadvantage a candidate for election. Given the circumstances, and the fact that it's being deleted shortly, I think it's probably okay. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 08:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
  • The file was deleted several times commons:File:Timbo-super-serious.jpg, however Jalexander-WMF'a makes sense (however I don't understand his comment that there was no license issue. Image source? Fair use rationale?). If the image is deleted now, I suggest to replace it with File:Example.jpg or "This image was deleted.jpg" (if there is any such file) in the original page where it was used by the candidate. --TitoDutta 10:14, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
In order to use fair use the wiki should have approved EDP — that's per the licensing policy again. Could you give me a link to the one on the votewiki? But still it'd be impossible to fairuse a pic of currently living person per the same policy. Well unless he is imprisoned, a hermit or whatever exceptionally case. As to not contacting the uploader directly — well I just thought it's clear enough case for anyone to act upon it. I still do. As to a candidate not having a picture of himself — well it takes a cam and 10 minutes in order to create one and upload it (another 15min if you use a friend+OTRS instead of a timer). Though active wikimedians usually already have some other pics of themselves on Commons. If they don't then perhaps they are not too much of outreach activity and it's a disadvantage in it's own. --Base (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

The file is still there. --Base (talk) 23:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC) And still. It seems that WMF has absolutely no intention to fix its own abuse :P --Base (talk) 16:28, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

"There are no pages that link to this file" on vote.wikimedia.org, there are also no pages using the enwiki picture. These uploads were erroneous, the red links were and still are here on Meta, not on vote.wiki or enwiki. All active admins for the 14 vote.wiki users obviously agree on "yes, we have an EDP, and we will figure out for what purpose", see above.:tongue:Be..anyone (talk) 19:47, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Azvikipedia

(I wrote about it. But there was no reaction ?! The reason I am writing again. Please avoid vandalism.)

User:sefer azeri' is engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out.), 2 (Without any major wiped out the picture., , ) , 3 (Fraud. Map changed. 100 years have reduced the state's history.), 4 (Insult.)... Requires block it for at least a year. But it was never punished for their work. Sortilegus always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Reliable sources wiped out), 2 (The name of the state, has been removed.), 3 (Reliable sources wiped out)... Wertuose always supported him. He is also engaged in vandalism: 1 (Picture of the article - az:Bakı xan sarayı), is deleted.. 2 (insult; Əxlaqsız ifadələrə görə...) and 3. The 3 users blocked me, without any reason! We do not have arbitration and appellate courts. Therefore, administrators dictator. No one can give me an answer?! To whom should I complain? -Idin Mammadof (talk) 22:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps now would be the reaction?. -Idin Mammadof talk 07:55, 14 Yune 2015 (UTC)

Innovation

Innovation seems important, being one-third of the Call to Action, but did not have its own page, so I have boldly started one. It wasn't clear to me which department or team in WMF oversees innovation, but I invite them to build on that page as a foundation. Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 21:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

General requests

Has the time come to close that page down and merge into this Forum? Rogol Domedonfors (talk) 11:07, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. --Glaisher (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)