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WikiProject Translation

Announcing the arrival of a new project to co-ordinate the exchange of information between the various language Wikipedias and establish an efficient translation process. Please stop by WikiProject_Translation (provisional name) to volunteer, give suggestions, or satisfy curiousity. 13:36, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Randomizing numbers on Wiki pages...?

I've been trying to find a way to get a random number on a page, but with no success. Scripting is disabled on pages, and this is the only way of doing this I could think of. Can a {{RANDOM}} function be applied to the software? This function should get a range of numbers to randomize from and have an option to return round or not-round numbers. Hoping that what I'm suggesting is possible...

This could use for a random tip, a random "Did you know?" and many other uses.

Thanks!

And while you're at it: Can you offer a calculation with Dates ? Currentday Currentmonth Currentyear is great but in sliding lists eg. on Wikinews it is important to have the ability to use Currentday-1 or 2 weeks before Currentday. That would be great. --Davion 18:47, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

On your own wiki you could possibly write an extention but you would have to disable caching for the page in question (can extentions do that i'm not sure) and this would make the extention very unlikely to be acceptable for wikimedia sites. Plugwash 01:05, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it would. We already have variables such as NUMBEROFARTICLES and CURRENTTIME, which must be kept fresh. Surely it would work in a similar way to that? --HappyDog 14:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Please see zh:template:realtimecolor. It is a pseudo-random function. upssdr ^talk 03:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Editing mediawiki so only certain users can edit certain pages

On my wiki, users are assigned usernames. I want to restrict them to only editing specific sections of the wiki. I think the file to edit is includes\EditPage.php so that if a person's username contains a colon (e.g. "FOO:Bob") then they can only edit pages that are in the same form (e.g. "FOO:Page_Name"). I want it to treat users with usernames that don't contain a colon normally. E.g.

1) Someone with the username "FOO:Bob" can edit "FOO:Page_Name" but not "BAR:Main_Page".

2) Someone with the username "Bob" can edit "FOO:Page_Name" and "BAR:Main_Page" and "Main_Page"

Hope you can help. I'm happy for this edit to take the form of an edit converting "you must login to edit this page" to "you must login and have the right permissions to edit this page". I think that EditPage.php would need to be edited twice in the areas containing the text:

if ( !$wgUser->getID() && $wgWhitelistEdit ) {
	$this->userNotLoggedInPage();
	return;
}

Many thanks

he: n'aime que les articles anglais

On the french wikipedia fr:Ma'ame Michu received the following message in his user page:

Please stop creating interwikis from the Hebrew Wikipedia to so many languages. Our readers are interested only in the English Wikipedia. Thanks.--Roybb95 12 oct 2004 à 14:41 (CEST)

Few time later Iorsh posted this explanation to the french Bisto:

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen!

I would like to clarify a few moments. Presntly there is no official policy on Hebrew wikipedia to refrain from international links in any form. But since the issue was raised, the discussion is being held, and it's now too early to predict its results. The decision to remove some interwiki links created by Ma'ame Michu and its explanation reflect solely the opinion of the user who did it, and does not represent the majority of the Hebrew wikipedia. Iorsh 132.68.1.29 12 oct 2004 à 18:24 (CEST)

I personally think it would be really sad to loose interlanguage links with some wiki. And I think such a decision should be endorsed by the international wikipedia community Ske

This is also being discussed at the French Bistro and the equivalent in Hebrew, he:ויקיפדיה:מזנון (machine translation at User:Angela/Hebrew). Angela 22:25, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Look at the votes on Ang translation page. Majority is currently in favor of all languages. Anthere

Downloading documentation?

I want to read the mediawiki documentation locally. Is there a dump I could use? -- braver

WikiLawmaker

I've put a proposal up for a Wikipedia-like project called WikiLawmaker on the relevant page. Please take a look here.

GJLawmaker 22:08, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

MediaWiki at sourceforge: Problems with texvc

Hi all. I've got a mediawiki running for a project at sourceforge. Since the project is technical in nature we need math stuff. I got the binary for texvc from mediawiki@SF (can't compile it myself at SF) and put it in the ./math/ directory. I also created the math and tmp directories needed.

When I execute texvc in the shell it works fine. I even tried the debug message created by Math.php. However, when it is used automatically only the .tex file is created and creation of the .png fails. There is an example at [1].

Has anybody seen behaviour like this before? Any ideas? Thanks for your help --Doerfler 12:19, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

recent changes @ kate's tools

kate's toolsのrecent changes、利用させて貰つてます。しかし、重い時等で時々更新を取りこぼす様です。出来れば改善して頂きたいです。kahusi - (Talk) 16:27, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) %何方か翻訳を御願ひ致します。

I utilize Kate's Live Recentchanges. But it seems to fail sometimes to pick up some entries in case of server slow and so on. I will appliciate you if you improve this trouble. Thank you. Kahusi. (transl. by Aphaia 15:44, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC))

Lang ability templates (and/or categories)

Give a look on commons:Commons talk:Babel, please. Why not have such templates on meta too? --Aphaia 15:44, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Installing ImageMagick

Good evening. I am looking for instructions on how to install ImageMagick on a MediaWiki website using EasyPHP and MySQL. The site is running on a Windows Server 2003 machine. Are there any documented instructions on how to install and configure the program? --DanM 23:37, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Plainer links

Hello, I'm not sure where I ought to ask this, but I wanted to request that the following CSS be added to common.css on iu: --[[User:Eequor|ᓛᖁᑐ]] 20:27, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

span.plainlinks a
{
   text-decoration: none !important;
}

language

Bonjour Nouveau ici Me suis enregistré sous pseudo "arioste" Question : Comment obtenir Wiki en Français ? Ce n'est pas indiqué dans les préférences. L'anglais ne me gêne pas mais je préférerais ma langue natale

Merci

arioste

Savez-vous qu'il existe an WP tout a fait en francais, c'est-a-dire: [2] ? Un autre petit truc - est-ce que vous pouvez signer vos messages en utilisant votre nom d'utilisation (typez quatre tildes), afin qu'on puisse vous envoyer des messages? Eoghan 16:20, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

translating wiki keywords

Hi,

I have partially translated the system messages for the GD wikipedia, but am wondering now, how I go about translating the keywords used in articles (such as "category" and "image"). Is this done by modiying the php file? Sorry for posting this question here - I couldn't find any documentation explicitly addressing this. Eoghan 23:16, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please see the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Keywords on the EN wikipedia as it is building toward a lexicon for interwiki use and eventually will incorporate sound. Quinobi 16:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

LanguageGl.php update

When will LanguageGl.php be updated? We've been waiting for more than a month

--Rabalde 14:27, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

PhpWiki conversion

Hi, I developed a piecemeal process for (mostly) migrating PhpWiki content into a MediaWiki system. I've documented the process and added it at Documentation:PhpWiki conversion. If there is a more appropriate place for it please feel free to kidnap it. - KeithTyler 19:48, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image rendering trouble

If some of you have time, please have a look at en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Image rendering problem. I think it's a bug with the MediaWiki software, but I am unsure. I've submitted a bug report. { MB | マイカル } 19:32, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unicode Conversion

Hi, I read somewhere recently that the English Wikipedia will be converted to UTF-8. What's the current status of that plan? It seems that most of the Wikipedias have already been converted. Is there is list of those/status page..., something like that? Ben

All wikis that were still using latin1 before the upgrade to 1.5 were converted as part of that upgrades. Plugwash 01:07, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki feature request and bug report discussion spammed and the Spam Filter likes it

Someone spammed MediaWiki feature request and bug report discussion and the Spam filter blockes my attemps to revert it. Thats irony, isn't. -83.129.21.131 03:38, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nervermind, found zthe Link that caused the trouble. -83.129.21.131 03:52, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikibooks should have subpages on main namespace

Subpages are very useful here in Meta, e.g. on WQ/2/translation. I think Wikibooks should use subpages to organize textbooks. What do you think? ManuelGR 23:54, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I put a navigation using Template but subpages have automatically created navigations. It is very useful for textbooks. Your idea is very interesting, though I'm afraid it is too small for MediaWiki interface newbies. --Aphaia 03:54, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean with too small, nevertheless I have made links to several pages in MediaWiki Help and have explain it a bit more. ManuelGR 21:02, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I mean the navigation from subpages to the parent page(s). Newbies could miss it, I'm afraid. I talked about your proposal with some participants Japanese Wikibooks. A user pointed out it means the letter "/" cannot be used in page names. Do you think this complaint would be ignorable? --Aphaia 23:38, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure about newbies, but you still can make use of navigational templates to link to the parent in a more visible way if you think it is appropiate. About "/" not usable in page names, I think it is a minor drawback, given that the same issue affects to + , # and other syntax characters. In the future it will be implemented a way of indicating a display title of a page different from the link name (I read this, can't remember where). Finally, remember that I and others are interested in been able to use subpages, not in forcing others to use them. ManuelGR 22:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Returning to the newbie-friendliness point, I think the software can be changed easily to set a bigger font and to write a customizable label instead of " >". In Wikibooks this label should be "Parent modules: ", "Parent sections: " or something similar. ManuelGR 22:45, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

www.wikipedia.org

The information visible at http://www.wikipedia.org/ is generated automatically from the HTML code in m:Www.wikipedia.org template and the wiki code in m:Www.wikipedia.org portal. A possible new design is at m:Www.wikipedia.org portal/Catherine. It would be nice if more non-english people contributed. —AlanBarrett 16:29, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• There is now a poll at Talk:Www.wikipedia.org_portal#Poll_on_Catherine's_version on whether we should replace the existing portal with Catherine's version. Don't forget to vote! GeorgeStepanek 05:48, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Conventions for multilingualism

I've been working on methods for organizing multilingual set of pages. If you're interested in this visit:

• Meta:Conventions for multilingualism
• Propagation_of_changes

I think it can become a general project about multilingualism in meta if people add more ideas and articles. So please, feel free to contribute to these pages! Peleguer 12:53, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

bulk import from csv?

I have a file of definitions I want to import into a wiktionary, but have not been able to find any information on this besides the Export/Import of preexisting wiki info. Is there a way of doing so already? If not, is there a format that a file should be in that would facilitate this? Is there a database schema available for viewing?

moving pages from meta to local projects

Hi, I heard we could move pages from meta to local projects. Is this possible? Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks, e-Goat 18:12, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

yes, you can copy the page and make a redirect to your local wiki --Louisana 20:18, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

offering up a change to mediawiki that may not fit into wikipedia's needs

I have developed and tested a licensing tab feature for Mediawiki. It can be reviewed here. All changes from 1.4rc1 are surrounded by # IFWIKI.ORG Begin/End comments. --David Cornelson 03:43, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

sorry no time to do it right

I just added a spider image (Aysha_velox.jpg) which needs a category, Anyphaenidae, and I can't find out how to do that. 4.152.93.58 07:41, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please read Categories. We would like not to increase the number of categories here on meta. In my opinion your requested category are too finely classified here on meta. A category for image in general is not ok for you? And perhaps you are better to upload it on Commons, not here on meta. Cheers. --Aphaia | WQ2翻訳中 | talk 08:46, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Future image commons:Image:Disambig.png

• Dear friends! When you follow an interlanguage link to a Wikipedia with another alphabet you may be puzzeled if you see an article, a disambiguation page or just some characters (telling that this page does not exist). An image in the disambiguation template would help to diferentiate between these situations more easy.
• Please take a look at de:Bild:Logo Begriffsklärung.png, en:Image:Disambig fork.png, it:Immagine:Disambigua compass.PNG, nl:Image:Begripsverklaring.png and sv:Bild:Trisambig poseidon.jpg.
• Which do you prefer? Please answer / vote until the 20th of March at the oldest (?) discussion page de:Bild Diskussion:Logo Begriffsklärung.png#Which disambiguation image do you like most.3F. Thanks! Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 23:59, 2005 Mar 12 (UTC)

• closed 08:12, 21. Mar 2005 (CET) with
  • 19 votes for de:Bild:Logo Begriffsklärung.png
  • 14 votes for it:Immagine:Disambigua compass.PNG
  • 8 votes for sv:Bild:Trisambig poseidon.jpg
  • 3 votes for en:Image:Disambig fork.png
  • 0 votes for de:Bild:Begriffserklärung aka.png
  • 0 votes for lt:Image:Issisakojimas.png
• Gangleri | Th | T 07:17, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)

Wikimedia Boards

Lately, many users at the Vietnamese Wikipedia have requested the formation of a forum or bulletin board system for the project. Some have suggested setting up their own, or creating a group at Google Groups. I remember that there was once a Wikimedia Boards website that contained a forum for discussion, which was used by both the English and French Wikipedia communities, but it was shut down last year because it wasn't used very much.

it was in particular used by mediators.

The Vietnamese Wikipedia community feels that a bulletin board system would suit the project well, because it's getting very hard to keep track of all the discussions going on at the Talk: pages. The community is small enough that everyone still wants to have a say in everything that goes on, but now it's also large enough that it's getting hard to keep track of everything. For awhile I've been maintaining a list of recent discussions on our Main Page, but I simply don't have the time to do all this manually anymore, and the list has been growing longer and longer as the project picks up speed. (I used to limit the list to five Talk pages at a time, but it has since grown to ten pages, and I don't think my manual approach can keep up much longer.)

Reestablishing the Wikimedia Boards would help us out greatly, but I think we'd be quite willing to accept a modification of MediaWiki that'd allow us to better keep track of discussions. Basically, everyone just wants something structured like a forum so that many of the interesting discussions don't fall by the wayside.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. This has become somewhat of a pressing issue at vi: now. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 03:09, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Just to clarify: mailing lists have also been brought up as an alternative, but I think there might be some issues there, because many of our users might be reluctant to subscribe to a mailing list that would probably get quite a high volume of messages. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 03:28, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

nod. I think Aoineko (who is french leaving in japan) could help you possibly. He made a proposal for a forum to replace our pump recently. Anthere 06:23, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You can found few information about it on Wikiforum (and many other on French fr:Wikipedia:Wikiforum). You can test it at: http://test-wikipedia.saewyc.net/index.php/Special:Forum . I have many technical requests to fix before it can be put on Wikipedia, but actually I'm busy building a 3d demo for a job. If you have any question, please contact me at fr:Talk User:Aoineko. A☮ineko 06:37, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikidebate

Just a thought that it would be possible to make a wikidebate or wikiopinion community so that people posting opinions and debate in wikipedia have a place to discuss hot topics. This would be basically a seperate site from wikipedia as a seperate wiki. Whether this would end POV disputes in hot topics or not is uncertain. This is not quite a board or forum exactly and to limit it to that format might be shortsighted in an opensource world. This could also include a functional wikiblog connection. Bloggers could post and link to other blogger's posts. Most primary opinions would be locked and be similar to a NYTimes article but the water cooler discussions could take place in a wikidebate forum with POV defended on each side. This certainly seems like something that could be done on a 3 year scale. It has been seen that people want their POV seen and others want to discuss it, why not let wiki have a place for POV seperate from areas already designated as NPOV. --Dave moeller 22:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Chinese Wikipedia

The current implementer of Chinese wikipedia have made a wrong decision about they can convert the simplified Chinese to the traditional subset. This is proven wrong by the new wikibook entry 論語.

There is no clear way to convert from simplified Chinese to Traditional Chinese. And in some cases, for example, when official name, Personal's name, quotations, should not be converted. Any conversion will render the result as unauthority. There are many cases which a character seems a simplified, but it is also an valid Traditional. As in the case : 云 (means sayings), which should not be converted to 雲 (cloud).

I strongly disagree with people which do not have full understanding of the problem to make decisions which have long term effects!

There should never a conversion from simplified Chinese to Traditional Chinese, while a conversion to simplified Chinese can be accepted! People willing to translate simplified Chinese to Traditional can do it, other people can correct them. But a machine conversion is not correctable.

Please stop the tradtional chinese conversion which is current in service and start making human translations.

I urge those who only learn simplified Chinese try to learn a little Traditional Characters which is not difficult. For those who do not known any traditional chinese, please open a simplified version of the article in another window to assist your editing. Simplified chinese editor are welcome to make edit in simplified Chinese.

My contact is kentsin@gmail.com, any comments as well as any flames are welcome.

It would seem that the two words that mean cloud would have something to do with the word 'two' as pertains to marriage and the word 'silkworm', or in other words 'the marriage of two silkworms.' As these silkworms live in the open, or in silkworm shelter structures, and also exist in comparison to other less cultivated insects and animals, its seems that these two words are big indeed. The concept of vagueness as a part of the concept of a cloud could stem from considering the nature of the conversation between two silkworms who are considering marriage, which could go to the concept of a saying, which could go to the concept of regular folk who don't really study economics or industrial process for a living but either work for a company or use corporation-produced products in their lives. This seems to me to be as valid a path as any for parsing the cloud word 'yun' in its rain form and non-rain form.--172.168.133.205User:McDogm 19:06, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

There are mechanisims available to prevent automatic conversion of an article, or specific words in an article. They are implemented specifically to allow human translations in cases where the machine makes mistakes. See Chinese conversion for a description of them. The system needs further improvement, no quesiton about it. To better handel ancient articles like 論語, maybe there should be an option to allow a one-way only conversion, i.e. from tradtional to simplified but not the other way around. - Zhengzhu 15:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

page vandalized?

Hi there, I just stumpled over User:Bcorr/Repository during a google-search ... is there any reason for this page? Is it vandalized? (I couldn't get a diff of the last change during the last 5 minutes ...) Greetings, -- Schusch 12:01, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

also i can't get the diff, i can revert it to the last version - so i did -- Schusch 12:03, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Translating "Community portal"

Hi. On the bosnian wikipedia we would like to translate "Community portal" into "Vrata zajednice". We're guessing that this can be done somehwere on meta-wiki, but we're not sure where. Any help would be much appreciated. Asim Led 21:15, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Links at the Global Main Page (www.wikipedia.com)

There's a great problem. The links to Wikinews, wikiquote and wikibooks at the Wikipedia Global Main Page send us to the English versions of each one, instead it's global pages. Can somebody PLEASE correct this mistake???? --Huhsunqu 20:15, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hay un gran problema. Los vínculos de la Portada Global de Wikipedia de Wikilibros, wikicitas y wikinoticias se dirigen a las versiones en inglés de éstas, en vez de sus respectivas páginas globales. Puede alguien POR FAVOR corregir esto? --Huhsunqu 20:15, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Their main pages are .org, not .com. Have you contacted an administrator of wikipedia.com? Perhaps whois gives you information who you should contact. .. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 19:21, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cross-project vandalism by a single person

See Vandalism reports#Pelican_Shit/Ass_Pus/Bugger. Uncle G 10:50, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

Wikification of dates on Wikinews

• Wikinews:Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical#Date_Tag

According to Help:Editing#Links.2C_URLs dates can be wikified, so that they display according to a user's individual date format preferences and they generate an automatic hyperlink to a per-day page, and indeed this happens on Wikipedia. But it doesn't happen on Wikinews. Is this a feature of the software that is selectively enabled across different projects? Assuming that a consensus to enable it can be formed at Wikinews, what is the procedure for then doing so? Uncle G 11:06, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

Wikipostcards

nota just made some glorious postcards for everyone to use, on and off-wiki :-) Take a look! +sj+ 13:38, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Problems on 1-meta or meta-1 pages

About making wikipedia pages, I pose problem on 1-meta or meta-1 pages. on ko:애니메이션과_만화의_목록, There are List of Animation and Comics. But, in many other wikipedia, they separate 'list of ani' or 'list of manwha=comic=manga'. in this situlation, we must link two list also. but, because of incapacity of wikipedia, we can't seperate these list. so, I suggest to make system that can seperate about 'list of comics', 'list of ani', and so on. - 갈라드리엔 06:58, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

p.s for about manwha : Coreans use w lately in different consonants, but about 'h(ㅎ)', influenced about spelling of 'munwha'(문화,culture), we use w first.

p.s.2 for about ko:만화, It's not about Manga, or Manwha, or Manhua. It's about Comics. I want to correct it.

Strange letter or namespace

Помощь:Введение seems to me as 帮助 对话:Введение("Help talk" in ZH) on RC and the latter doesn't exist. Is there only I who got those bugs? --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 23:53, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This page needs to be more obvious

I made Meta:Community Portal into a redirect to here. This page should be on the navigation bar, like it is on the other wikis, no? If not, it should be more prominent on the main page. - Omegatron 20:08, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And I've included redirects from Meta:Village Pump, Meta:Village pump, and Meta:Community portal. I've also added links to this page at the top of Wikimedia News and Goings-on. - dcljr 18:59, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts. But I add most of meta regulars seem to be fond of other communication channels which created recently, foundation-l and irc, for example. Wiki is good at collaboration, but not discussion at all. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 19:19, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Templates for translating language names

Please see Meta:Templates for translating language names if you're interested in discussing the use of templates to translate names of languages into other languages (e.g., English in Japanese is 日本語). - dcljr 07:32, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey! How the heck did that happen? What I meant to say, of course, is "(e.g., English in Japanese is 英語)". I wonder if that's why not much discussion has been drummed up by the above post.; - dcljr 06:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Suggestions symbol.wiki

Hello, my name is steve... don't know if i'm doing this properly... so if i thoroughly mess up this page i am truly sorry. I have a few suggestions for the continued devolopment of this site, yet have not been successful at creating a page. I think a symbol.wiki would be a valuable addition to this encylclopedia. Symbols are the basic foundation of consciousness, psychologists for the past century have said that before there are words there are images. I would think that to post a searchable list of these images and their cultural conotations would be valuable. Two types of searches connotation (for an individual looking up symbols that mean a certain thing) and then descriptive seachers (for one who has the symbol, but wants to know what it means - or more fundamentally what it is called). For instance, lets say one has a picture of the Eye of Ra, yet does not know what it is. One should be able to enter a select number of discriptive qualities of the symbol to narrow down the results.

Evo.wiki is being blocked by some automatic firewalls... i'm not sure why, but I hope that ya'll might be working on it.

Ah yeah... and if anyone wants to make a deal with google with their reported plans to make a searchable database of a whole lotta out of print books... that might open up new possibilities.

I hope this submittion works -steven deloney- stephen.deloney@gmail.com

evo.wiki is not associated with us, as far as I know... they just use the same software. - Omegatron 14:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

In Memoriam: September 11, 2001

This discussion thread moved to Sep11wiki/Babel thread.

This file is a shared upload and may be used by other projects.

who can explain me, why e.g. this file is from the commons and sometimes a shared upload like here. when this logo's on the commons, we can delete it, can't we? in all wikitionaries and wikibooks it's together more than 223 024 bytes lost space! Schaengel89 @me 13:53, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We meta editors can't delete it here because it IS shared (and substantially on commons). I checked the page but no delete botton was available. If I misunderstand, please correct me. I am not a tech person in principal. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 09:09, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

yes, i realized that nobody i met can delete it. what means IS shared? and who can say me, why they aren't in every wiki as a shared upload? and who the **** can delete this waste of space? Schaengel89 @me 15:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's not wasting any space. The image isn't really at wikibooks. It's on the commons and saved only once. Going to the image description page of an image that is on the commons will show you that message regardless of which wiki you are on. Toki pona Wikiquote doesn't actually store the French Wikibooks logo, but going to Image:80px-WikiLivres.png there will display the logo. Angela 20:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

where do they say, it's from the commons? Schaengel89 @me 14:33, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If description page says it is shared and come from somewhere, yes. It is on commons　and not on a local project like you mentioned on the above. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 14:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Help me with changing and standarising "sisterprojects"-templates

(excuse my low level of english, I'll try the best I can)
Until now, I have thought about a standarisation of the wikimedia logo's names. the best solution I found (in my eyes the best) ist the following one: Image:"Wikiproject"-"Kind of file"-"Language of slogan".png. (examples) if there is no slogan in use, I used Image:"Wikiproject"-"Kind of file".png. if two or more wikis are using the same logo, I called the file with the language the logo uses (this is used in wikinews de, es, en, fr, nl, pl, pt and sv). for the "sisterproject"-templates I creaded this collection. what I please you is: help me! help me with the renaming of

• Image:Wikiquote without text.png and Image:Wikiquote-trans 135px ohne text.png in Image:Wikiquote-logo.png
• Image:Wikiquote.png and Image:Wikiquote-MainPage.png in Image:Wikiquote-logo-en.png
• Image:Wikinews-logo-textless.png, Image:Wikinews-trans 135px ohne text.png and Image:Wikinews-logo2.png in Image:Wikinews-logo.png
• Image:WikinewsLogoPolarGlobe9To.png and Image:Wikinews-logo2-35px.png in Image:Wikinews-logo-en.png
• Image:Wikipedia without text.png and Image:Wikipedia-trans 135px ohne text.png in Image:Wikipedia-logo.png
• Image:Wikisource-logo-35px.jpg, Image:Wikisource-trans 135px ohne text.png and Image:Sourceberg-MainPage.jpg in Image:Wikisource-logo.png
• Image:Wikispecies without text.png and Image:Wikispecies-trans 135px ohne text.png in Image:Wikispecies-logo.png
• Image:Wikibooks without text.png and Image:Wikibooks-trans 135px ohne text.png in Image:Wikibooks-logo.png
• Image:Wiki-textbook-MainPage.png and Image:Wikibooks-trans 135px ohne text.png in Image:Wikibooks-logo-en.png
• Image:Meta-trans 135px ohne text.png in Image:Wikimedia-logo.png
• Image:Commons-trans 135px ohne text.png, Image:CommonsLogo-MainPage.png, Image:CommonsLogo.png, Image:Commons without text.png, Image:CommonsLogo no text transparant.png, Image:Commons without text-35px.png and Image:Commons without text.png in Image:Commons-logo.png

you see, that's a lot. But it's not all! I found several shared uploads. perhaps we, if you want, can start a COTW, because this reform has to be converted in all or in none! Schaengel89 @me 19:10, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please note, that not all the above logos are really the same, some have a transparent background, others not, some are edgewise, others square, some are in good quality, others not ... so please don't follow Schaengel89's request "blindly". And please note these comments in addition. He caused many error deletions (even of a Wiki.png, the logo of a project in the upper left corner, which was missing for days afterwards) and confusing already. --:Bdk: 00:34, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Recursive template disabled?

"Recursive inclusion is possible." says Help:Template#General. I'm having trouble getting any results. Is recursion possible but is it not enabled here in Meta? (SEWilco 02:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC))

What was meant was simply: One can call a template that calls another template. I have clarified and expanded this:

If a template calls itself directly or indirectly, inclusion works only on one level for each template. However, with templates redirecting to the template that one would want to call recursively, one can achieve recursion without having to make copies of the whole template content, with the number of levels limited by the number of redirects. See also Repetition within a page and Template:List of template calls.--Patrick 08:57, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Interlang order

• ja: commons:Template:Lang-mpで編集合戦が起きています。commons:Commons:Village pump#Template:Lang-mp and othersで問題提起はしました。

私は言語コード順に並べるのが良いと思うのですが、Metaにはどこにも書かれていない様です。 そこで、Interlanguage link等で他の言語へのリンクを張る場合、ISO 639の言語コード順とする事をプロジェクトの方針とするのはいかがでしょうか。

• en(?): An edit war happens in commons:Template:Lang-mp. I presented the problem in commons:Commons:Village pump#Template:Lang-mp and others. I think that had better arrange these in language code order. But, it seems to be written nowhere in Meta. Therefore, when make a link to other languages in Interlanguage link, how will be this the project makes it a principal to arranging it language code order of ISO 639?

--kahusi - (Talk) 13:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) % 英文は多分変です。//Perhaps an English sentence is strange.

参考リンク / A reference link: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pywikipediabot/pywikipedia/family.py?rev=1.61&view=markup --kahusi - (Talk) 15:59, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In Memoriam (2)

This discussion thread moved to Sep11wiki/Babel thread.

Chess

Hello, Some wikipedians from several languages are making a inter-Wikiproject_Chess in meta in order to define a common chess template for making chessboads and a default chessboard style for it. This is because chess diagrams are mostly graphical and then this work can be used wiki-worldwide. My question is ¿How can we categorize this proyect and if is it in the correct place? --GengisKanhg (my talk) 20:39, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Team and individual games are now open at chess. Nathan256 18:25, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Unused images

Vote for deletion of unused images on meta is on-going. If you find any reason to keep a certain image among them, please list them on the whitelist (no reason necessary because of efficiency). --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 21:25, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

test.wikipedia.org

What happened to it? There were many pages in it related to various bugs in MediaWiki. Hope there is someway to retrieve those pages... -- Paddu 8 July 2005 08:10 (UTC)

Sandbox wiki

See: b:en:User:Aya/Wikibooks/A critique of Wikibooks#Newbies.

Can someone with the necessary privs create a DNS record for sandbox.wikimedia.org and point it to the wiki at http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Main_Page or similar to replace the Project:Sandbox page on all Wikimedia wikis?

Aya 20:41, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

en:most-perfect magic squares - Jain squares and their graphical and algebraic pattern

• Halló! These squares are originating in India from the 11th - 12th centuary where they have a significalt cultural and cosmological significance especially in Jainism. The algebraic properties of the transitions / morphisms between these 384 squares are quite interesting.
• Many templates to demonstrate the graphical properties are available and could be used both in Wikipedia articles and / or a Wikibook ilustrating algebraic properties.
• Is there some interest on this? Regards Gangleri | Th | T 11:51, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

User:Zanimum

Has twice vandalised my home page. I want to know how I go about stopping it doing it again.--JIrate 13:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

He has done it again. Will someone stop this moron.--JIrate 20:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

He has done it yet again. Will someone stop this moron.--JIrate 11:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)--JIrate 20:10, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

He has edited your talk page, not your user page. He can do this. Please avoid using insults toward contributors. Anthere

He has modified my entries on my talk page, without signing them, becausally to remove critisim of him.--JIrate 14:22, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

You would seem to have two choices:

1. Try to address an administrator directly. See: Meta:Administrators for a list. Check each one's contributions to find an active one, then post a request to their user talk page.
2. Try the 'eye-for-an-eye' strategy, and make similar inappropriate modifications to the perpetrators user pages, in the hope they will understand how irritating it is, and give up.

Personally I suspect the latter would be more effective, due to the relative inactivity of administrators, but it's a great shame that this is the case. - Aya ^T C 18:55, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Aya, this person has been banned from the English Wikipedia. Suggesting he take a route of vandalism, one he already has taken for weeks, is not constructive. Turn to user_talk:Irate for an explaination. -- user:zanimum

Lets get something straight it is you that started vandlising my talk page, because you didn't like the title I put on a section. Now be a good child and stop vandlising my talk page. You comments will be removed as your not worth talkingto.--JIrate 14:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Not worth talking too, but it seems certainly worth talking about on your talk page (ie "bookburner") and on my talk page (ie "Roman"). -- user:zanimum

I would not say admins are not here since I answered Irate just above you. Now, I am aware of Irate requests and Zanimum modifications, I am aware Irate is himself modifying unproperly zanimum user page and user talk page, I am aware of the existence of modifications in the vfd archive so if the issue comes back, I'll remember that, I am aware Irate was previously banned on en and for which reasons. So the best I can suggest is that both stop these modifications because it will bring no good... and no better information. Anthere

I know, but I was hoping that my comment might help end this petty bickering in Meta:Babel. I say ban them both. :-) - Aya ^T C 17:00, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Censorship & publishing

I've noticed a need in the wiki community to be able to publish anything without censorship. This even stuff that is too narrow in scope to be a part of wikicities (e.g. personal pages). Obviously this is not a part of the wikimedia vision, which is why I’ve started a wiki farm - http://www.bluwiki.org. Does anyone know of others doing the same or places where I can let the wikimedia community know about this resource?

Thanks, --Sam Odio 17:10, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Where does my proposal belong on Meta?

I have a proposal posted on the Village Pump on Wikipedia (which ironically attempts to deal with pathfinding), and I don't know where it belongs on Meta -- can anyone help? Thank you, Gutza 01:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikiversity Voting Pages

This is a gentle request to help translate the voting information pages for Wikiversity that are found at Wikiversity/Vote. Specific langauges requested included de, es, fr, it, ko, and pt as they already have "project pages" in those langauges. If you feel inclined, other language translations are welcome. According to the New project policy we need to have at least 5 different languages translated before the voting begins, which is scheduled to begin on September 15th. The voting may have to be delayed if this does not occur. --Roberth 14:30, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Ooops!

I've just added my support to a lombard Wikipedia (here) and now there's a yellow box at the end of the section saying this page should be deleted. I think I inadvertently changed the template instead of the section. How do I fix it? Sorry!! --Marco Bonavoglia 11:53, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Adding CSS to Wiki documents.

I have created a table with various information within it, some of the cells are coloured, but I have been unable to find any information on how to add CSS CLASS tags within a wiki document. I have to set each style for each cell individually, which is really causing the document to be come bloated and very hard to edit without going through lots of style commands.

I created the tables using HTML and converted it to Wiki using an online convertor, I just need to assign each style for the various cells at the top of the document (which I have found in the main.css file, but have not seen any information on how to use them like it would be found in HTML.

Example HTML:-

 <STYLE>

 .tablecolour
 {
 border: solid 1px #000000;
 background: #FFFFFF;
 margin: 0px;
 padding: 1px;
 text-align: centre;
 }

 .MainTitle
 {
 background: #3D3400;
 color: #FFF8CD;
 font: bold 9pt Tahoma, Verdana;
 padding: 2px;
 text-align: center;
 border: solid 1px #000000;
 }
 
 </STYLE>
 
 <BODY>
 
  <TABLE WIDTH="600" CLASS="TableColour">
  
  <TR>
  <TD WIDTH="45%" CLASS="MainTitle">Container/Gump Name</TD>
  <TD WIDTH="25%" CLASS="MainTitle">#ContName</TD>
  <TD WIDTH="15%" CLASS="MainTitle">#ContSize</TD>
  <TD WIDTH="15%" CLASS="MainTitle"> </TD>
  </TR>
  </BODY>

This same example in Wiki would look like:-

 {| WIDTH="600" !Style="BACKGROUND: #FFFFFF;COLOR: #000000;MARGIN: 1px;border: solid 1px  #000000;font: normal 9pt Tahoma, Verdana;"
 | WIDTH="45%" !Style="background: #3D3400;color: #FFF8CD;font: bold 9pt Tahoma, Verdana;PADDING: 2px;text-align: center;border: solid 1px #000000;" | Container/Gump Name
 | WIDTH="25%" !Style="background: #3D3400;color: #FFF8CD;font: bold 9pt Tahoma, Verdana;PADDING: 2px;text-align: center;border: solid 1px #000000;" | #ContName
 | WIDTH="15%" !Style="background: #3D3400;color: #FFF8CD;font: bold 9pt Tahoma, Verdana;PADDING: 2px;text-align: center;border: solid 1px #000000;" | #ContType
 | WIDTH="15%" !Style="background: #3D3400;color: #FFF8CD;font: bold 9pt Tahoma, Verdana;PADDING: 2px;text-align: center;border: solid 1px #000000;" | #ContSize
 |-
 

You could put the style information in a template and replace the style attribute with that template's name in double curly brackets, like this: {{Articlename table cell style}}. I'm not sure if that's considered an acceptable use of templates, but it is a possibility. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 07:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Human Rights Servey on Wikipedia

This message was moved from Wikimedia News by Minh Nguyễn at 02:55, 28 August 2005 (UTC). In moving this message, Minh is not expressing any opinion regarding it.

Human Rights Servey on Wikipedia (The final post of I_sterbinski)

Dear all,

Wikipedia was recently a subject of intensive research of an huge international human right organization. A team of people from different nationalities and ages were acting on Wikipedia for 20 days, investigating previously noted anomalities of Wikipedia free editing and forming a final report, which (between the others similar reports) will later be a guide to all future moves of the organization concerning Wikipedia. Acting under an account of a real person, their privacy is to be held private. Therefore, very few private information will be revealed.

Also, this is a result of the lack of final possition of the organization concerning Wikipedia and human rights, which was still not formed.

The team's final post on Wikipedia, where they explain their actions can be found on the following addresses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_sterbinski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonia#Human_Rights_Servey_on_Wikipedia_.28The_final_post_of_I_sterbinski.29

The team would like to thank to all the persons who took part in the correspondence with us. We also want to appologise for keeping our identity secret for a longer period.

Best regards,

Aleksandar, Biljana, Asparuh, Christos, Valjon, Michael and Ana Luiza 62.162.195.46 00:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

My thoughts on a WikiDB

Hi! I've been thinking quite a bit about how a WikiDB might be implemented, and made a bunch of notes on my private wiki. I've got to the stage where they're intelligible enough for other people to understand (I hope!), so I thought I'd open them up for comments. I've copied where I'm up to into User:HappyDog/WikiDB. Please take a look at it and let me know what you think. Either leave comments on the talk page, or just plunge in and edit the text. I would be interested to hear what people think. --HappyDog 01:30, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Independent Voting Judge for Wikiversity Vote

Voting for community approval of Wikiversity is due to begin on September 15th. What I'm seeking is somebody who would be willing to act as an "independent" voting judge for this voting process, as per New project policy. I have my name listed technically as a "supporter" of this project, although I am not currently a contributor.

This policy is somewhat contradictory as the organization of such an interest poll would necessarily be done by somebody who is interested in the project, as it does take quite a bit of time to try and get everything prepared, translated, and more importantly, advertised when the voting needs to take place. An independent bystander would not IMHO be interested in doing the level of work that really needs to be accomplished.

Anyway, if there is anybody who would be interested in monitoring the voting process, watching for duplicate votes/sock puppets/general mischef/deleting contrary votes and in general acting as a neutral observer for this whole process, I would really appreciate it. A reply here or on my user talk page (my Wikibooks talk page will get faster response) if you are interested in taking up this position. Voting is scheduled to start on September 15th and go through November 1st, so you don't have to check in that often or even really do much until after the November 1st deadline. --Roberth 01:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

A public domain slideshow system for the wikiversity.

See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikiversity#Teaching_Resources IMHV, even if a little bit more complicated than OOo Impress or PowerPoint, it scores a point because it doesn't need another program than a (recent) browser. Cybertooth 16:44, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikiversity Vote

Voting has started for a new Wikimedia sister project proposal called Wikiversity. This is a request for anybody that is interested to cast a vote either in support or opposition to this new project proposal. The results of this vote will determine if this project will be started on its own seperate group of wikis as a Wikimedia sister project, together with approval from the Wikimedia Foundation Board. Discussion about this proposal should take place on the Wikiversity discussion page.

Wikiquote portal

http://www.wikiquote.org the Wikiquote portal looks wired. The content seems to be placed at the bottom and at the top (beside the logo) there is a meaningless space. If you fix it, you will be appreciated by many Wikiquoters. Related files on meta are Www.wikiquote.org portal and Www.wikiquote.org template. If those pages have nothing wrong, it would be needed a dev's hand. --Aphaia++ 19:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Meta:Requests for deletion

please tell me, is ther any admin goin to delete the candidates or will they stay there forever? Schaengel89 @me 18:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Problem

Seems that the special page, User Groups Management doesn't work. (Or am I no longer able to use it?). Can someone check it? --Snowdog 09:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Forget it. Me stupid! --Snowdog 14:24, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Forum software mod for linking to Wikipedia articles

Some members of the Vietnamese Wikipedia community is developing modifications to popular forum software, making it easy for forumgoers to link to Wikipedia articles. The modifications, currently documented in Vietnamese at vi:Wikipedia:Tạo tính năng tra cứu Wikipedia cho diễn đàn, can easily be adopted for other wikis running MediaWiki. To my knowledge, it hasn't been tested in the wild yet. If anyone is interested, the Vietnamese Wikipedia community can translate the instructions into English when we're done. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 19:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

It is tested for VBB 3.5, phpBB 2.0.17 and IPB 2.1.1. Forumgoers link to Wikipedia articles by typing something like [WIKI]Name[/WIKI] in the forum edit box. The result when saving this edit in forum is a link <a href="xx.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name">Name</a>.193.52.24.125 09:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Babel templates for Ancient Greek in it.wiki

Dear Babelists,

I just wanted to drop a line to notify my work on grc-x Babel templates (grc-1 - grc-2 - grc-3) done by studying and embedding what has been done till now from meta to other wikipedias. Now also it.wiki has its BabelTemplates for Ancoent Greek Users. Since not only I think that any improvement is welcome, but also that they would be useful to update the existing template here in meta, I point out all the detailed process in my sandbox. Sorry, it's written in Italian. And sorry again, I'm leaving it for another fortnight, then I'll use the "sandbox" for what it's supposed to exist.

From fair Verona (Italy), OrbiliusMagister (mail here)

How can I change the Sitename of ca.wikibooks.org?

The past mont, we decided in ca.wikibooks to change the name of the project to Viquillibres. I've been trying in the system messages to change the name of the site, but there is a {{SITENAME}} template and I don't know how to change it. Can anybody help us? --Arturo Reina 16:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Citing Sources

Hi!

I'm finding that all things Wicki are a great help to me in my college life, however I need to cite sources (obviously!) and am interested in finding out a) who writes the actual articles, and b) how to establish the veracity of the source to my professors liking. I been searching the sites, but there is such a bewildering aray I got lost! Help!

TIA

Jenni

• Please see the comment left at User talk:67.171.29.61. WAvegetarian 21:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Special:Ancientpages

As User:Taw told me, that pages are generated very rarely because of technical issues. I recently found that they are very useful for tracking poorly written articles and correcting them according to recent etitor gudelines. Is it possible to refresh that special page at least once a month? A.J. 11:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Link in the Japanese error page to the fundraising page

en: About the error page you get when the server is busy, which says "The Wikimedia Foundation servers are currently experiencing technical difficulties." In the Japanese error message, the link to the fundraising page seems to be broken. My guess is that the words "寄付をお願い致します" should link to http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/寄付 , but in reality, I got http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/(115)%20Operation%20now%20in%20progress5%AF%84(115)%20Operation%20now%20in%20progress4B%98 , the latter part being the error message displayed at the bottom of the page. I'm not sure if I'm posting this information in the right place, but I feel that this mislink needs to be fixed because it directs away people who considered donating. Someone please look into this matter, thank you.
ja: サーバーが混雑している時によく見られる、「現在、ウィキメディア財団のサーバに技術的な問題が発生しています。」というエラーページに関してです。日本語のエラーメッセージの、寄付ページへのリンクがバグってます。「寄付をお願い致します」という部分は http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/寄付 にリンクされているべきだと思いますが、実際に飛ばされたのは http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/(115)%20Operation%20now%20in%20progress5%AF%84(115)%20Operation%20now%20in%20progress4B%98 でした。このURLの後半は、エラーページの最下部に表示されるエラーメッセージと一致しています。寄付をしようと思われた方の出端を挫いてしまいかねませんので、どなたか対処してくださいますようお願いします。
朝彦 09:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks to a quick work by Mark Ryan, the problem has been addressed! 朝彦 (Asahiko) 06:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

How do I add that Create Article field+button to my wiki?

I am talking about a Create Article button like the one here Help:Starting_a_new_page

see: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inputbox

Report about spam

La muevo a mejor página, y gracias por su aclaración. --204.116.85.24 05:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for page lock: Help:Configuration settings index

I couldn't find a page to request page locks, so I'm doing it here.

Help:Configuration settings index has been replaced by this page on mediawiki.org and should no longer be edited. All data on the page has already been copied over. Can we now lock the page to stop any future edits, as despite the big notice (now even bigger) there has been a recent edit to the page. Once this is done, can you also adjust the notice at the top of the page to indicate that it is no longer editable (currently it requests that people do not edit). Thank you --HappyDog 02:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Canterbury Tales.png has no copyright information

The image Image:Canterbury Tales.png, used in Help:Images, has no copyright information. See my comment at Image talk:Canterbury Tales.png. --Kernigh 20:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

September 11 memorial wiki

On Meta:RfD, the September 11 wiki has been enlisted. I don't know if that's the right place to put it (will it get any attention there?), so I'm posting this reminder of it here. Jon Harald Søby 16:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

This is certainly a bit silly to discuss the future of a project on the Rfd page. If we could avoid on this page, which is yet difficult to maintain, any kind of political (sort of ...) debate, I think it would be great. Unless otherwise expressed, I'm going to create a meta page in order do discuss sites lockings ([[Projects closings]]?) villy ♦✎ 08:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes please! Right now there is no appropriate place to discuss such proposals. Please message me once you have created the page as I would love to make use of it. Thanks! Kaldari 00:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Cherokee Wikipedia destroyed by bots

chr: Lots of bot accounts created, articles moved around, junk images uploaded. If anyone cares. I tried to do some repair work. --Pmsyyz 05:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Darn bots, their operators have little to no effort in destroying a wiki, while we have to spend the entire afternoon cleaning up after them. It should be fixed now. Jon Harald Søby 10:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It is again destroyed we need some help there ... maybe the admin sould restrict the permission to edit or move articles ... User:Wanna help

FEMA Wiki attacked by bots

We need help to stop recurring bot attacks at a wiki designed to help survivors of hurricane Katrina FEMAanswers.org. I am a sysop, and a primary contributor, but don't know enough to stop bots from attacking dozens of pages daily. I have read advice at metawiki, but new registrations every day elude me. Any advice appreciated. ---Thanks! Castellanet 08:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, the day after I posted this message I got an attack which killed this wiki, not just a spam bot, but hacker bot attack. These were direct hacks intended to harm the site, not promote another. It seems to be related to my writing here. I don't have time to fix the damage and allow wiki edit use, the wiki site is dead. The hacker will be satisfied by inflicting harm. Unfortunately the victims are no corporation or profit making scheme, there is no one to fix this vandalism. The only people really harmed are the low income displaced families who formerly lived in hurricane ravaged areas. Lovely, Castellanet 06:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sad to hear this. It looks very much like the bot attack on the Cherokee Wikipedia, above, but this seems even harder to fix. Would it help ifyou closed registration, and only enabled it through email verification? Jon Harald Søby 10:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

OTRS/it

Ho iniziato a redigere una bozza di templates per gli operatori OTRS in lingua italiana. Invito tutti a dare un'occhiata, integrare e proporre tutte le modifiche del caso.

I started a draft of templates for the OTRS operators in Italian language. I welcome additions, modifications, checks and anything that helps.

Grazie. --Paginazero 11:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Uploading Files and Administrating Help

I have downloaded Wikimedia Software for my site: http://www.shadowfell.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

However, I don't have any way to upload files to the site. When I go to "Preferences" and "Files," I have no options to upload files. When I just try to insert files (mainly images) directly into the proper directory via FTP, I can never access them on the wiki site. Can someone help me with this problem please?

Also, I don't seem to have any sort of Administrator Functions. I'm not positive I'm supposed to, but it seems odd that I have no more abilities with the site than would anyone else who logged on.

Thanks, B

The file upload should be at Special:Upload. "Preferences" is, as the caption states, your preferences. Jon Harald Søby 19:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

My Special:Upload page is disabled for some reason... http://www.shadowfell.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Upload

Enabling the patrol-function on Meta

Proposal; I think it would be useful for Meta to enable the "patrol"-function. That you have a red ! on the RC for every edit. And then you can mark the edits as checked. To see it; w:nl:Speciaal:Recentchanges this function is enabled on the dutch wikipedia. That makes it more easy the check the anonymous edits . --Walter 14:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

If there comes no responds I will assume there are no objections if I request to enable it. I will wait 2 weeks. --Walter 10:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I've nevre the feature useful, but I've no objection to it being enabled if other people do think it's helpful. Angela 13:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I support having it enabled. Linuxbeak 19:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, I support too. --Taichi - (あ！) 01:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Something else; on NL all registered users can mark a edit as "patrolled". But the software also supports that only sysops can mark a edit as patrolled. I suggest to allow all registered users patrol rights --Walter 22:26, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a good suggestion ; This function seems to be very useful. Of course, vandals who are in-the-know may use it to hide their edits, but this function would be a great help in ip-vandalism. Furthermore, we can still turn it off if we see the system doesn't work. Guillom 08:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

support - oscar 23:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I have requested to enable it. bugzilla:4747 --Walter 21:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Wallon wikipedia

I've noticed that walloon wikipedia consists (wa.wikipedia.org), for a great part, out of dictionary articles (just take a look at new pages page and chek all the articles beginning with Moti). Since "wikipedia is not a dictionary" guideline is still in power, for wikipedias in all languages, shouldn't we make it clear for walloon wikipedians, that if thay want to work on dictionary, they would better request a creation for their wiktionary? I absolutely dislike that ignoring one of the basic wikipedia rules has becomen a common practice on one of the wikipedias Kneiphof 20:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the the rule "wikipedia is not a dictionary" is not absolute like the NPOV rule and that it is up to local Walloon Wikipedia community to shape the wikipedia like the wish. Walloon is also something special. It is a micro-language and there are almost no real users. I would say that it is positive that there is at least some live in that wiki. --Walter 21:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Understand me right, I'm a kind of small-languages-supporter myself, so I appreciate the fact that Walloon wikipedia users provide acces to Walloon dictionary online. But wouldn't it reaaly will be better if they'll separate encyclopedia and dictionary? Separate dictionary will allow better integration with other wiktionaries, and walloon words will be better presented in those other wiktionaries. Kneiphof 21:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but the current Wiktionary is not user friendly. And now whit the the categories and bots and so it is not so difficult to move them later to the Ultimate Wiktioanry when I exist. I understand them for using Wikipedia for this. --Walter 10:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Sept11 Memorial Wiki

This thread moved to Sep11wiki/Request for deletion.

Advertising proposal

An idea to advertise *about* Wikimedia Foundation projects and activities, and not *on* Wikimedia Foundation projects. - Amgine / ^{talk meta} 04:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Privacy Policy

The "Privacy Policy" link in the footer of all pages on this site goes to a page that says "There is currently no text in this page". The page can also be edited, so I suppose anyone who cares to may set your privacy policy.

Fixt now I think. --Walter 11:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Search Result Message

The message mediawiki:Searchresulttext, which is the message at the top of the search results page, reads: "Remark: recently created pages can you not find with this search function. The search function is using a special database that only periodical is updated." This is poor English grammar and needs to be revised by a sysop (the page is protected).

Thanks. I have written that. If you put your updated version on the talk page it can be changed. That is so with all pages in the MediaWiki-namespace. --Walter 18:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Templates as Interwiki?

Please take a look at: Template_talk:LION-Interwiki, could You help me? Please answer me on w:pl:Dyskusja_Wikipedysty:LION --LION 12:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Spam defense on new accounts

Users registering new accounts at it.wikibooks, en.wikibooks, and maybe some others must now pass this spam defense. --Kernigh 18:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

That's great. We should have that on every wiki. Jon Harald Søby 10:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Wiki problems with special signs

Hello, and although I have a small problem. I have me be a Wiki made with the help of mediawiki, I have noticed this internal links not taken on the special signs in the database containedly correctly. Shall want to be called Ä Ö Ü replaced by any cryptic signs in the SQL database. Thanks for help.

Censorship on es:wikipedia

	Basta con las provocaciones

En la Wikipedia en español hay censura ideológica y se impide la libertad de expresión para las decisiones que requieren consenso.

Recientemente he creado el es:Wikiproyecto:Libertad de expresión en wikipedia e inmediatamente he sido bloqueado de forma indefinida.

La forma de pensar de un sector importante de bibliotecarios se refleja en este texto:

En realidad, es cierto que no hay libertad de expresión, pues está restringida por el punto de vista neutral, no se aceptan fuentes primarias y por la Wikipedia:Wikipetiqueta. ¿Desde cuando el objetivo de Wikipedia es la libertad de expresión? Estas limitaciones son principios fundamentales de la filosofía de Wikipedia. Es algo irrenunciable, que no se puede modificar. Por lo tanto en Wikipedia no hay libertad de expresión

.../...

Wikipedia es una enciclopedia, no una democracia. Aquí no hay que luchar por la libertad de expresión, aquí hay que construir una enciclopedia. Menuda chapuza de enciclopedia construiríamos si cualquiera pudiera decir lo que quiera.

[3]

Este proyecto nació para profundizar en la causa de conflictos recientes en los que de forma sistemática se insulta, desacredita y bloquea a los usuarios.

Agradeceré a cualquier usuario que hable español y que desee apoyar esta cauda que me indique como he de proceder. Gracias.

--File:Yin yang.png Manuel Joseph (discusión Email) 16:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Free trasnlation into English:

by Chlewey 16:39, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	Stop provocation

At the Spanish language Wikipedia there is ideologic censorship that hinders freedom of speech for the decisions that require consensus.

I have recently created the WikiProject Freedom of speech in wikipedia and immediately I have been blocked for good.

The way of thinking of an important sector of sysops can be shown in this text:

Actually, it is true that there is no freedom of speech, as this is restricted by the nuetral point of view, primary sources are not accepted and by wikipetiquette. Since when is freedom of speech the goal of Wikipedia? These limitations are fundamental principles in Wikipedia's philosophy. It is an unrelinquishable matter, that cannot be modified. Hence there is no freedom of speech in Wikipedia.

.../...

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a democracy. Here, we should not fight for freedom of speech; here we should build an encyclopedia. Such a poor encyclopedia would we build if anyone could say anything he/she wants.

[4]

This WikiProject was broght in order to deep in the cause of recent conflicts in which users are systematically insulted, discredited, and blocked.

I will thank any user that speaks Spanish and is willing to help this cause that point me in a way to proceede. Thank you.

--File:Yin yang.png Manuel Joseph (discusión Email) 16:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Czech Wikipedia in disarray

When I recently wandered into a Czech version of Wikipedia, I found myself puzzled. I was fully aware of the basic principles of Wikipedia, that Wikipedia is not a democracy and that you can not demand the right to freedom of speech as we understand it in America, but still - it was a shock.

The Czech version of the Wikipedia is populated by Czechs, citizens of the Czech Republic - a country which emerged recently after the fall of the Iron Curtain. More than 60 years (officially only 42) of living under the Stalinist boot certainly made an impression on all of them: they are still brainwashed beyond recognition.

The Czech Wikipedia is an encyclopedia about flowers, animals and many other non-controversial items - there are virtually no articles about their recent history of communist rule, because they are considered "controversial." If somebody attempts to submit any such articles (not opinionated or harshly critical pieces, just historically accurate facts), the article is deleted by administrators and the user that submitted it is permanently banned. The reason is simply fear - the communists in the Czech Republic changed their coats, they are not "communist" anymore, but they remain in positions of power. This has the administrators of the Czech Wikipedia quaking in their boots. [removed personal attack]

The situation with the rest of the Czech Wikipedia administrators is not much better. All of them are fervent nationalists (at par with Muslim fanatics offended by a simple cartoon) and simply will not allow any articles related to recent history of their country to be on their site. At the same times their encyclopedia sports pathetically subservient, overblown and exagerrated biographies of their current leaders and politicians (Havel, Klaus, Svoboda, etc) that would be comparable only to the official biography of Kim Il-sung in the North Korean Wikipedia (if there was one). When you consider that the Czech (then Czechoslovak) government voted for "legal continuity with a previous communist regime" in 1990 then it is no real surprise.

The solution to this problem in nowhere to be seen. Administrators will not resign voluntarily (being the communists that they are, they will attempt to sit there forever just like Brezhnev-era aparatchiks) and Wikipedia's central command in Florida is about as willing to act as Kofi Annan's United Nations. Therefore the only solution is simply to ignore the Czech version of Wikipedia, because at its current level it is nothing more and nothing less than another mouthpiece of communist and leftist propaganda from Eastern Europe.

• Ross Hedvicek, author of several books and hundreds of articles, lives in the U.S., and can be reached at ross285@comcast.net

FerdinandH 17:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Language is the greatest barrier to utopia. :-\ — Omegatron 18:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I wonder what Ross will say about English Wikipedia when English speaking editors discover a vanity page which he founded en:Ross Hedvicek. 130.230.1.90 19:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm a Polish contributor, and I know the Czech Wikipedia community. It's hard for me to stand neutral because of that, but I'll try to defend them, because I know most of the administrators there are all good people.

I'll just give a quick example, from the Polish Wikipedia. On many Polish mailing lists the Polish Wikipedia and its admins is being accused of being antisemitic. For example, we wrote a historic fact, that the catholic Saint Maksymilian Maria Kolbe hated the Polish Jews and wanted to exterminate them. With that said, many Polish nationalists were stating that the Polish Wikipedia is lying on this fact. But there was one problem - we only stated the truth. We wrote what he said in his editorials and what were his views. People who criticized us didn't give us any proof - they only stated, that we're lying and we're anti-Polish.

So now my question to you - do you have any proof on what you wrote? You wrote: at par with Muslim fanatics offended by a simple cartoon - with this said, for Muslims you're no better then these "Czech nationalists", as you called them. So please - talk from a neutral point of view and give us proofs. Without this no one here will comment on this case and help you. Datrio 19:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I must say I am amazed. The Czech wikipedia is - in my POV - really in disarray, but it has only small relation with Ross Hedvicek. His statements are generally untrue, his understanding of wikipedia mechanisms is very limited (he supposed every user critising his articles is an administrator), his behaviour is quite disturbing (his standard addressing of other wikipedians is "Dear children", every opponent is - according to him - a member or former member of communist party and so on) and his style of writing is suitable for commentary, not for encyclopedia. --Radouch 19:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll write my comment soon. In most statements I agree with Mr. Hedvicek and disagree with Radouch. -- Vít Zvánovec 09:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Here it is. I disagree with Datrio that Czech administrators are good people. They are very vigilant and block too often. For example, they ban quite innocent nicknames, beacuse they simply dislike them. User:RuM instead of refactoring personal attacks simply delete them.

Reason is obvious: postcommunist situation of the Czech Republic. People are there accustomed only to command and obey. They are not accustomed to discuss, to persuade. So if you are a non-conformist you soon begin to be punished. Like Ross, like jvano, like Malý čtenář, like Tomáš Pecina, like me. It is simple. Which another proof do you need?

-- Vít Zvánovec 18:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Ehm, krk. Sorry. It is just an another view. -jkb- 20:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I just want to stress Vít Zvánovec did not refute any of my statements. --Radouch 20:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Which refutation would you like? "I must say I am amazed." It is your right. "The Czech wikipedia is - in my POV - really in disarray, but it has only small relation with Ross Hedvicek." You're correct, but quantity of "smallness" is, of course, subjective. Pavel Vozenilek is right and the problem lies in postcommunism of today's cs: sysops. "His statements are generally untrue" This I deny, it is your turn to prove it. :-) "his understanding of wikipedia mechanisms is very limited" He is a newbie. He learns every day. "he supposed every user critising his articles is an administrator" That is because especially Cynik behave like the owner of the Wikipedia. "his behaviour is quite disturbing" No, it's not. He just have critised cabal of cs:. "his standard addressing of other wikipedians is "Dear children"" He just noticed that most Czech sysops are almost teenagers. "every opponent is - according to him - a member or former member of communist party and so on" This I deny, it is your turn to prove it. "and his style of writing is suitable for commentary, not for encyclopedia." It is not a reason to ban him so often and so cruelly. -- Vít Zvánovec 22:10, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

What to except from this post-communist criminals running Czech version of Wikipedia? They are secret agents procommunist section of secret police BIS. George Vanek http://www.geocities.com/gvanek2000/Bohemia.html

Comment by en:User:Pavel Vozenilek

I have been watching Czech Wiki all the time (I'm Czech) and these are reasons why I decided not to work there. Handful of people on Czech Wiki treat it as substitute of battlefield and ready to use soapbox. Revert wars, not based on facts but on opinions are/were frequent, wheel wars occured, personal attacks and name calling is/was rampant - including labeling as nazis, fascists, communists and religious fanatics of every kind. Whatever complaints I have against English Wiki, such a people would get blocked quickly on en:, regardless of their (often substantial) contribution. I do not think Meta has any chance to clean up the mess on Czech Wiki, that's only their task. Pavel Vozenilek 20:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The current administrators of the Czech Wikipedia cannot clean up the mess because they are the creators and producers of it. As we know from Russia, "perestroika" never worked - because it was expected that the communists would make themselves into honest a productive people - instead of liars and thieves. I am predicting that the decline of the Czech Wikipedia (on which all those present surprisingly agree) will continue until the point, where current administrators will have to be forcibly removed and replaced. There is no other way in the post-communist Czech Republic. They will accept it well - afterall they are used to it. - Ross Hedvicek FerdinandH 00:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. -- Vít Zvánovec 17:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

My experience on en.wikibooks

Wikibooks has come out of a somewhat similar experience, but mostly neglect so it may be difficult to strictly compare the situations. There was a small cadre of users who felt that things were just not happening the way that they ought to be, especially compared to similar experiences on other Wikimedia projects. Some "manifestos" were written (like b:en:User:Aya/Wikibooks/A critique of Wikibooks and my own at b:en:User:Robert Horning/New Policies) about what needed to be changed, as well as some considerable user discussion.

Ultimately, we got together and elected a new bureaucrat from among us and started filling the ranks of admins to more than double the number of admins we had before on Wikibooks, and almost 5x the number of active admins. This is important for a number of reasons. Most importantly besides giving fresh ideas and new blood into the project, this also helped to stabilize the community where the actions of a single admin can't be overwhelming to the whole project, and those actions can be generally reversed. There are now "camps" or schools of thought over the future direction of Wikibooks, but all of these philosophies are now well represented by admins who are peers rather than having somebody step on you from a god-like position being an admin. If one admin starts blocking other admins or playing a heavy hand at that point, it would be obvious signs of abuse to bring in the big guns from the Foundation Board or at least the Stewards and try to clean things up.

Obviously with something like this you need to work through changes slowly and gain community concensus for all of the changes. And this strategy for "taking over" a project does have its detractors as well. It is important that if you start to change policies, that you try to keep with at least standard Wikimedia-wide policies like NPOV or Original Research guidelines.

From a "rule" philosophy, I believe that you should only create new rules when existing rules prove inadequate to deal with obvious abuses. It sounds like on the cs.wikipedia doesn't have this philosophy and instead is inventing rules for simply having rules. What rule one person creates another person can change, so keep that in mind as well.--Roberth 17:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Sad story

Tyranny on cs: continues. I am one part of the recent arbitrage and the other party routinely ban my advocates and me.[5] The rest of community applauds it.[6] The main role of a tyrant afer Mr. Vrba's leave assumed cs:Wikipedista:Che. My last block was because I spoke about Cynik like "Mr. Pospíšil" – the first information he provide on his home page (cs:Wikipedista:Cinik) – and beacause I pointed out that even one abitrator commited the same offence as me[7]. It is not no longer serious, but only funny what -jkb-'s heirs do. -- Vít Zvánovec 00:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Approved requests for new languages

There are 13 languages waiting for their wiki to be created by now. Some of them are waiting for three months. I can understand that people who are ready to work for wikis in these languages get frustrated and even angry. When will developrs make work of creation of wikipedias for approved languages? Kneiphof 18:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)