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Historical This page is kept for historical interest. Please do not modify it. All new requests for new Wikivoyage language versions should be made through the process described here.

Template:Language versions This page is where potential contributors can sign up for a new language version of Wikivoyage. See the rules for language versions for more details about the requirements for starting a new language version. Please add yourself to any language that you would like to help create a Wikivoyage in and also say if you are willing to become an admin. You will be contacted when the language version can be started.

If you prefer to keep your declaration of interest confidential, don't hesitate to send a mail to the association board (vorstand@wikivoyage.org). We ensure respect of your privacy and won't publish your name here.

Old discussions are archived here.

Note: At the current time language versions will be initially created from a backup of Wikitravel content (up-to-date through 02-August-2012), including all images and full article histories.

A minimum of five "support" votes will be needed before a language version is imported to Wikivoyage. Additionally, any language specific patterns that need to be replaced should be posted on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import. The namespaces on tech:New namespaces for language versions also need to be checked and corrected if necessary.

Currently, the following languages have 5+ supporters and will be imported and editable. Feel free to update this list:

English[edit]

Things around Wikivoyage have changed. The ongoing mass exodus of angry Wikitravel admins and contributors as well as the fact that Ryan had to stop his backing up of Wikitravel contributions have changed the situation dramatically. Experienced WT admins have asked the Wikivoyage Association for migrating the English WT wiki. We would regard this migration as an intermediate state. As soon as the WikiMedia Foundation gives green light for the "Request for Comment", all WV wikis including en: would be migrated to the WMF.

However, starting a migrated wiki on an other site always contains the risk of a community fork. In order to keep this risk as low as possible, Wikivoyage needs to be sure that the migration is supported by the vast majority of the active Wikitravel admins and contributors. Therefore, it is essential to see which active Wikitravel admins and contributors know about the migration in question and who of them would support it.

Please register and sign for "Support", "Oppose" or "Abstain". Also, give a short rationale for your decision. WT admins, please add "(adm)" behind your signature.

See the Migration FAQ and its talk page for more details and the progress.

Support[edit]

Please also note your support for non-English language versions below.

  • Hi! I'm Jan an admin at Wikitravel and active there before and after the sale to IB. Jc8136 12:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support. -- Ryantalk • 15:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I can also vouch that Jpatokal and Shaund support this proposal, and like me, think it extremely important that it happens ASAP! Shaun at least, is traveling, and probably won't be editing here for a week. --Peter Talk 15:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Really, if we can't get it set up quickly here, it might make sense to try and do it elsewhere. --Peter Talk 17:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
See Talk:Migration FAQ#6. Schedule, although that may be overly aggressive. -- Ryantalk • 18:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree with Peter. The migration should be done as early as possible, in order to keep the WT users and their current edits. It is also important to demonstrate that the community can live and work without IB. I am an admin on WT/ru, so I am not sure if I am counted as admin or non-admin here -) Atsirlin 16:25, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support This would allow continued maintenance and improvement of articles without risk of being blocked by IB. Maps and other media could be updated with logos deleted. I have a lot of that sort of work to do. Pbsouthwood 10:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Yes this is an excellent idea and will make the final move easier both technically and politically. Jmh649 12:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Let see the people on WMF/Wikipedia that Wikitravel is already in decline, Saying NO, will not save it. Rein N. 13:17, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Yes, a migration would hopefully provide a living 'snapshot' of the current WT content before it degrades any further. This should also provide an opportunity for those articles already effected by inappropriate edits to be patrolled and tidied up in an environment spared of the current deficiencies in the IB model. The ongoing effort of those unaware of the potential abandonment of the IB vehicle could also be captured before they become obscured any further by excessive levels of garbage edits and spam. There is still some very worthwhile editing and content contribution occurring on the WT site, along with a steady encroachment of dross now that many of the watchkeepers have wandered off. If the existing WT community do not have a clear target to transfer their focus to then they may become disheartened and wander away completely. We must understand that for many contributors the arcane nature of all this may leave them cold, even if they ever even come across the links to the information that details it. I also have some lingering concerns that preemptive migration may present the appearance of a fork, rather than a more formalised 'relocation;' of the project. Ryan has 'captured' and archived the project in a quite recent version, however that is a static archive. For the project to survive it may need to be kept alive. If WT is potentially turning into a zombie then perhaps we need to put the project on life support here on WV until the details are hammered out, despite any misinterpretations that may arise from doing that. This could even help out IB (if they ever get their system to function properly) as they could later dump the rescued project content back into their own WT servers scrubbed free of the garbage that is steadily encroaching upon it. We would however need to be certain the WV servers and IT support can deal with the sudden arrival of the wounded beast, otherwise we may end up with two hobbled versions instead of one. There is a lot of transition work to do before the environment will feel 'normal' for the bulk of WT contributors..-- felix 13:21, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Great that this is finally happening! Guaka 14:51, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Sapphire just asked me to express his support. He has reset his password but still has login problems. -- DerFussi 15:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC) - - - Is there a known problem with login? -- DerFussi 15:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I'm a user on Wikipedia and Wikitravel. I've already expressed my support for the proposed WMF Travel Guide over a month ago. Moving the English WT over here to WV in the interim should (I'm assuming) make the eventual move to WMF a bit easier. Hosting an English travel wiki here also provides a nice security option in the event that the WMF declines to host a travel site, as the IB-owned Wikitravel appears to be beyond saving at this point. Eco84 18:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. The ceaseless timeouts and errors on WT are frustrating enough to the long-timers, and no doubt are actively driving away new contributors. Working servers -- and there's no question that the WMF is very good at that task -- would be a delight! -- D. Guillaume 18:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support. --DenisYurkin 19:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support – I agree, this is a good idea. Sumone10154 19:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Handrian 00:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - Yes, keep the ball rolling while it rolls elsewhere. - Cardboardbird 04:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support, support, support. -- AndreCarrotflower 04:58, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support, Jjtk 10:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. This should be done as soon as reasonably possible, seeing how Wikitravel seems to be increasingly self-destructing under the weight of severe bugs and uncontrolled invasion by spammers. Ikan Kekek 11:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support. Gorilla Jones 14:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support with the caveat that it is Wikimedia (NOT Wikipedia) that we are joining and that we do not impose salifist tendency diktats from Wikipedia about NPOV and "No original Research". A travel guide needs up-dates from travellers about destroyed bridges, closed restaurants, bankrupt airlines and new bus routes, etc and often this WILL involve "original research" - ie travellers/contributors will have personally experienced the missing bridge or have had to buy new airline tickets and this timely and accurate information should be incorporated! As editors, we need to be able to choose good places to sleep and eat and, of necessity, this will involve subjective choice! W. Frank 14:25, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support; I follow the content and the contributors. LtPowers 18:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support - Shaund 21:51, 19 August 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support as soon as possible. Graham87 01:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. Vidimian 04:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support. I support the interim step to reunite the communities and content. --Inas 06:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - I'm very excited about the future of these great two communities, and this is a much required interim step in that direction. JamesA 10:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - What JamesA said. Texugo 01:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - This would be a great first step in unifying travel wiki content. Jmajeremy 02:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Pashley 05:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support We're all Go. Ptah Hotep 12:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Tsandell 08:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support I will go where the content and community goes. If the people who carry out the move think it's best to have an interim site here at WV, that's fine. Justme 11:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I'm very much in favour of reuniting the WT and WV communities. Sadly I don't have time to volunteer to be an administrator but I will continue to contribute in the new environment. Tarr3n 13:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I am Wikitravel user and administrator ravikiran_r — Ravikiran Rao 17:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I am Wikitraveler AHeneen. I am still trying to weed through all the Wikitravel/Wikivoyage/Wikimedia-Meta discussions to figure out all that is going on. I realize that the plan is to move WT content to Wikivoyage and then to a WMF site. Comments on the creation of a WMF travel guide ended today and now we'll have to wait for a decision. Would it just be easier to wait for the WMF decision before putting the WT content online for editing and such? Between user accounts & proper credit, the creation of non-German/Italian Wikivoyage travel wikis and then merging into WMF (unified accounts, Wikimedia Commons) sounds messy. And what about Wikitravel/Shared content? I would assume that all inline links to images (etc.) would need to be changed. And since a lot of Wikitravel/Shared content has come from Wikimedia commons, the tech people will have a large job (bots could probably do a lot though). Just some of my thoughts. AHeneen 05:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
    Migration FAQ#Why move to Wikivoyage if the goal is to become a Wikimedia project? has a partial explanation of why the move to Wikivoyage is ongoing even though a transition to WMF is also ongoing. The talk page for that FAQ addresses many of your technical concerns, but please add any additional questions you have. -- Ryantalk • 06:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I am a Wikitravel admin, and excited to see both communities merged back together :-) --Globe-trotter 14:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support There already more than enough supporters, but lets help a little --Rein N. 14:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I did vote already. --Rein N. 22:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I do support moving WT. Really never fully supported the sale of WT. I do plan to help with the move. Xltel 05:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC) (adm)
  • Support As a migrant from the other place, I am all for this. When someone threatens volunteer workers with lawsuits and edits members talk pages I fully support the migration.TomNativeNewYorker 14:01, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, IBobi has rather shot his firm (IB) in the foot by so antagonising the community with his aggressive censorship. --W. Frank 17:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I was kind of neutral on the move. Then I logged into Wikitravel and found that an administrator (we all know who) had been removing content that he found objectionable from my talk page I felt it was time to move on. Epolk 05:01, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Gobbler 10:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

*Oppose - As far as I'm concerned this has no sense at all. WT administrators wants to join WP. So, why fork? Non-English versions of Wikitravel are a dead project and WP cannot bring them back to life. Gobbler 21:19, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • WT administrators (along with Wikivoyage administrators) want to join the Wikimedia Foundation, not Wikipedia. Moving here is not viewed by us as a fork, but rather a place to work on improving WT content before a migration—it will make the process easier, and provide Wikitravellers a place to work while wikitravel.org falls apart. And not all non-English language versions are dead at all, and I'm not sure their contributors would appreciate hearing them referred to as such. --Peter Talk 22:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I should add that, if we do not set up here at Wikivoyage, we will be setting up a site elsewhere in preparation for the move to the Wikimedia Foundation. So why not do it here, since we all (I thought?) want to re-join our communities into one? --Peter Talk 22:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

::Sorry! I don't wan't to offend anyone. So, wiki-voyageurs are compelled to join WMF because of WT' troubles. is that right? Gobbler 22:23, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Not at all, but it was my understanding that Wikivoyaguers wanted to rejoin with us under the umbrella of the WMF as a new project, with the content brought over from WV :de and :it, and from WT :en, :ru, :ja, :nl, etc. The Wikivoyage Board of Directors have discussed and agreed formally to do this [1]—were you not aware? --Peter Talk 22:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Gobbler: I do understand your intentions were entirely honourable in deleting the entire conversation immediately above between yourself and Peter with this recent edit after you were persuaded by the power and logic of his (and others' ?) arguments to change your stance.

However, we have had quite enough of "IBodkins" disappearing conversations at (legacy) Wikitravel and I think we should have higher standards of transparency here on our migrated projects!

I have, therefore, restored the above conversation and taken the liberty of unilaterally interfering with your own words by applying "strike-through". Please consider myself thoroughly chastised for presumptuous interference if you had already agreed with Peter to remove his words as well as your own. W. Franke-mailtalk 11:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

PS: I know that things are humming along nicely with the Italian language Wikivoyage, but how do you think the French language Wikivoyage is progressing? W. Franke-mailtalk 11:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

There hasn't been much activity on the French Wikivoyage yet, only Fogg and I have been active on it so far. Hopefully it will become more active after the password is removed. sumone10154(talk) 14:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Try and avoid an edit war with each other then (huge grin). --W. Franke-mailtalk 22:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Things are not thriving in it/WV. It's a dead body but good looking. That's because I take great care as some guys do with Lenin mummy in Moscow. I became an expert embalmer. I know nothing about Fr/WV. Couldn't enter the new site with my nickname and password. Off course I support the project as stated below. Gobbler 13:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Gobbler, I suggest you contact Sumone10154 who is the bureaucrat for fr: • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 22:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Abstain[edit]

Launch[edit]

en: and wts: are up for a testing period af 2 days. They are still protected by a password. Please contact one of the below users by email for the username and password:

Please report bugs on tech:Wikitravel Migration bugs

-- Hansm 18:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


en: and wts: are released for productive work. Bug fixes are still going on, but can be done during normal operation.

We will still keep the wikis protected by a htaccess-Password until all WT logos are scrubbed.

-- Hansm 13:39, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

French[edit]

size of Wikitravel: 2558 articles, 3254 registered users, 20 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 10 admins 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • Peter Talk 22:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Shaund 21:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC) - My French isn't good enough to participate in policy discussions or translate policy pages, but I can help patrol and do small translations/edits
  • Sumone10154 02:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC) - I'm not an admin, but I'm willing to become one if necessary.
  • Fogg 00:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC) - Former admin of French WikiTravel and willing to become one here too if necessary.
  • Jmajeremy - I'm fluent in French and would be willing to help with the migration. 03:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Quirk 07:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC) - Former admin of the french Wikitravel
  • --Rein N. 07:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC) - I was a kind of concierge/admin, at a time that more spammers than admins were active,
  • AHeneen 05:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Yann 05:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC) Former admin of French WikiTravel.
  • --Mulleflupp - Беседа 11:14, 20 September 2012 (UTC) - I'm fluent in French and glad to lend a hand wherever needed.
  • --Gobbler 12:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC) - I can try helping with some cleanup and edits. Keep in mind that I'm too busy with it/WV

Oppose[edit]

Preparing the launch[edit]

Please post language specific patterns that need to be replaced. Post on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import#Special to fr:. Also, correct or verify my guesses for the names of the namespaces. -- Hansm 23:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikitraveller in French is "Wikivoyageur." Does that have to be changed? sumone10154(talk) 00:18, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. I have listed it on tech: -- Hansm 01:17, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

When will the French test wiki be launched? The names of the namespaces are correct, and the pattern to replace that is specific to the language is already posted. sumone10154(talk) 21:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I did not yet get the confirmation that the patterns are complete. But well, then I will start my import for fr:. -- Hansm 06:09, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

The test wiki is up on http://fr.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ . Please report bugs on tech:Wikitravel Migration bugs#fr:. Before you report template related bugs, please try to copy the coresponding templates from en:, first. I have temporarily granted bureaucrat privileges to Sumone10154 as (s)he is one of the currently rather active ones with sufficient knowlage of Frensh. -- Hansm 07:15, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that is awesome! Thanks Hansm, Sumone10154 and all other people for the enormous amount of work! Is it a test version only i.e. if I modify it, my changes will be lost on the final release? Fogg 06:19, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

fr: is now public!

Formidable, Sumone10154 ! --W. Franke-mailtalk 22:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I would also like to thank Fogg for all his work, especially with translating the policy pages! sumone10154(talk) 01:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Sumone for all your contributions too! Fogg 05:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Dutch[edit]

size of Wikitravel: 3061 pages, 964 registered users, 13 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 5 sysops 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • Support Let see the people on WMF/Wikipedia that Wikitravel is already in decline, Saying NO, will not save it. Rein N.
I hope to get also the support from my friend Canshun but he and his newly wed bride are on honeymoon now. --Rein N. 16:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. - Gentenaar 08:09, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. :nl is a very well moderated language version, and shouldn't need much work from me, but I'm happy to help. --Peter Talk 01:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm learning Dutch from my Dutch wife so might be able to help out a little. Tsandell 08:06, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. It's already a well-moderated language version, but I could help if necessary. --Globe-trotter 14:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Preparing the launch[edit]

Please post language specific patterns that need to be replaced. Post on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import#Special to nl:. Also, correct or verify my guesses for the names of the namespaces. -- Hansm 23:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Is there also coming a Dutch language test wiki on http://nl.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ ? - Gentenaar 15:22, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
The names of the namespaces are correct. - Gentenaar 15:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
How about patterns to replace? -- Hansm 15:31, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
About the same situation as for the Swedish version: there are also no patterns specific to the Dutch language edition. The translation of traveller/voyager is reiziger. - Gentenaar 15:36, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
There are, as well as in Swedish! Unfortunately, I have realized it too late for sv:. -- Hansm 15:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Update. Swedish seems to be OK. But when I run a full text search on WT/nl, I get some results for "Wikitraveller", even in Dutch text. At least, I had expected that you give me this replacement pattern. I will add it now. Anyhow, setting up a whole language version is not just a fun where we can hit the undo button if we have made some mistake. Even little mistakes take hours to repair them. So better think twice befor letting me run the scripts. -- Hansm 07:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikitraveler ==> (wiki)reiziger --Rein N. 18:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


Agree with Gentenaar about nl:patterens and namespaces. Former fr;admin, nl:bureaucrat @ WT --Rein N. 07:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, then let's go for the Dutch version! -- Hansm 10:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The test wiki is up on http://nl.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ . Please report bugs on tech:Wikitravel Migration bugs#nl:. Before you report template related bugs, please try to copy the coresponding templates from en:, first. -- Hansm 13:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

There are no bug reports for nl:. Then, can we release nl: into productive usage, still protected by a password? -- Hansm 07:18, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Since there are no bugs, I would say yes. - Gentenaar 10:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

nl: has been released to productive work.

nl: is public now. No more code needed!

Spanish[edit]

size of Wikitravel: 1.940 pages, 4.619 registered users, 26 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 4 sysops 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • Peter Talk 22:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Texugo 01:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Ptah Hotep 12:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC) - I'm willing and able to work as admin, but also praying that Texugo will remain as The Boss and keep up his excellent work. Ptah Hotep 14:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • fesja 05:47, 9 September 2012 (UTC) - I can help with technical stuff regarding languages too.
  • sumone10154(talk) 20:22, 4 October 2012 (UTC) - One of the more active language versions, and I would be willing to help patrol.
  • Support Gentenaar 08:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Support White Master (es) 03:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Preparing the Launch[edit]

I have checked the namespaces for es: on tech:New namespaces for language versions and they are correct. Also, I don't think there are any patterns specific to Spanish that need to be replaced. "Wikiviajero" is the only word for Wikitraveller/Wikivoyager in Spanish, and the only instances of "Wikitraveller" that I could find were in English text. sumone10154(talk) 16:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

It could be: 'Wikiviajes' :) (Or if it is left as it is) White Master (es) 03:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Polish[edit]

Size of Wikitravel: 2583 articles, 1557 registered users, 8 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 5 admins 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • Luke Westwalker Adm 21:28, 31 October 2007 (CET)
  • Strong support, as early as possible. I´m admin on WP/pl and user on WT/pl and interested in helping -- Alan ffm 14:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I am also an admin on WT/pl, and would be happy to help clean up and prepare for a migration. --Peter Talk 01:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. Would love to help to keep the Polish version alive. I've just contacted Luke. -- DerFussi 14:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm all for migration. I don't know, maybe it's to late. Today I learned.--Seti6908 12:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Gentenaar 08:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC) - No Seti6908, you are not to late.
  • Support, this is a good way to present more detailed information about countries, cities etc. than on Polish Wikipedia. LeinaD (t) 16:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Marek Mazurkiewicz (talk) 17:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Yarl (talk) 18:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Tar Lócesilion|queta! 18:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I think Polish Wikivoyage will be as lively and vibrant as is Polish Wikipedia Kpjas (talk) 19:01, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Karol007 02:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Mateuszek045 (talk) 11:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support a useful initiative, likely to gain speed Pundit (talk) 12:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support --Drozdp (talk) 12:35, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Electron (talk) 12:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support DrPZ (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC) New project, new possibilities.

Oppose[edit]

  • Oppose, it's dead. Jjtk 10:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Preparing the Launch[edit]

Before the Polish test wiki is opened, the namespaces on tech:New namespaces for language versions need to be checked and corrected if necessary. Also, any language specific patterns that need to be replaced should be posted on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import. sumone10154(talk) 16:23, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The namespaces are OK. -- Alan ffm 11:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikivoyage-logo-pl.svg

I have uploaded the localized logos (SVG and bitmap), enjoy!  « Saper // talk »  22:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Russian[edit]

Size of Wikitravel: 1602 articles, 725 registered users, 15 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 6 admins 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

This is simply a part of the common initiative of moving the WT content here.

Предлагается перенос содержимого Википутешествия на базу Wikivoyage, дабы не отставать от других языковых версий.

Support[edit]

  • Support I am already an admin at WT/ru. We have developed consensus on leaving WT behind, so the transfer to Wikivoyage is the natural first step in this move. Atsirlin 18:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support The Russian version is within top-10 on WT, so we should definitely move on. GMM 19:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm actually the founder, but got a little fed up with my declining Russian language ability ;) I'm still happy to help where needed, of course, but I know from all the current and past evidence that our excellent :ru contributors can run the place very well. --Peter Talk 20:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I contribute information regarding places I have visited or plan visiting to Russian WT, and I am keen to continue contributing to WV after the move, as I am averse to commercial side of the WT. --Л.П. Джепко 08:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC) Note: I can help with good English/Russian translations. --Л.П. Джепко 12:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I froze my writing activity in WT and only administrate it. Of course, we need the place for our hobby. Digr 12:55, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I froze my writing activity in WT. --Aklyuch 15:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. M0zart 15:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm a russian backpacker and I froze my writing activity on WT. Красный 09:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Launch[edit]

There is a test wiki on http://ru.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ . Please report bugs on tech:Wikitravel Migration bugs#ru:. Before you report template related bugs, please try to copy the corresponding templates from en:, first.

-- Hansm 22:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Great! Thank you very much! We will do our best to test it as early as possible. Atsirlin 10:56, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
The test wiki was independently checked by three people. The only serious problem concerns the replacement patterns (see the Migration bugs). Once it is fixed, we can proceed with manual cleanup. Atsirlin 07:35, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I only can hope that the pattern replacing has been corret this time. I'm done with it. Please write more bug reports if there are still failures. -- Hansm 10:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
At first glance, the replacements are correct. Thank you! Atsirlin 11:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

There have been some bug reports for ru:, but all bugs seem to be fixed, now. Can we release ru: into productive usage, still protected by a password? -- Hansm 07:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, sure. We assumed that we are already working on a stable version. Atsirlin 07:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Actually, me, too ;-) But let's make it official. -- Hansm 08:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

ru: is released for productive work.

  • The password is still requested. How to enter the Russian version?--Aklyuch 19:12, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese[edit]

Size of Wikitravel: 2,913 articles, 1,892 registered users, 6 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 5 admins 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

This is simply a part of the common initiative of moving the WT content here.

Support[edit]

  1. Peter Talk 01:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
  2. Ptah Hotep 12:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)- I'm willing and able to work as admin, but also praying that Texugo will remain as The Boss and keep up his excellent work. Ptah Hotep 14:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  3. User:Texugo -- I am 100% behind this, and will do my best to keep things in order.
  4. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
  5. MateusNobre 13:47, 17 October 2012 (UTC) I will try to help the guys out.
  6. Everton137 14:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  7. Ozymandias 19:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  8. Vini 175 20:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  9. Karensn 08:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  10. Raylton P. Sousa 11:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Preparing the Launch[edit]

Before the Portuguese wiki is opened, the namespaces on tech:New namespaces for language versions need to be checked and corrected if necessary. Also, any language specific patterns that need to be replaced should be posted on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import. sumone10154(talk) 19:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Japanese[edit]

Size of Wikitravel: 5,178 articles, 1,469 registered users, 19 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 7 admins 02:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

This is simply a part of the common initiative of moving the WT content here.

Support[edit]

  • Support. I'm willing to patrol until more capable users come along. Gorilla Jones 00:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I'd be willing to do the same. Texugo 18:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - Appears to be one of the more developed, independent and capable wikis. JamesA 06:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - As one of Japanese Wikitravel and Wikimedia users, unifying of both the two wiki-project is supportable enough. Were the usability not far, I don't care if the administrater would be changed. WikitravelとWikimediaを両方利用する日本人ユーザの一人としては、両者の統合は十分支持できるものかと思います。使い心地さえ程遠くなければ、運営者が変わっても私としては一向に気にしておりません。 --支線亭賀毛女 (talk) 13:00, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Discussion[edit]

I'm not sure where to write this, but is there any indication that the Japanese Wikitravel community intends to move to Wikivoyage? There are three support votes above, but two of the supporters have never edited Japanese Wikitravel, and User:Texugo has not edited the project since 2010. Looking at the Japanese Special:RecentChanges, there doesn't seem to be any major change in edit patterns between July (when the API was enabled and backups were possible) and October (without any obvious way to make a backup). Also, one of the administrators has written on his talk page that he isn't intending to migrate to Wikivoyage.[3]. If the community decides to stay with Internet Brands, a fork isn't going to be successful. --Stefan2 22:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know, but the :ja contributors have basically been completely non-responsive when I've tried to ask them what's up. (It might be a problem that I'm asking in English...) If they are inclined to stay with IB, I would recommend forking regardless, as long as we have people interested in working on a WV/ja. There is plenty of good content to start with, and presumably :ja Wikimedians could do good things with it. I'm personally a little concerned that continued work on WT/ja could wind up getting lost, as it is not backed up externally anymore by anyone, but it's obviously up to the individual volunteers to determine where and how to work. --Peter Talk 22:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I am also concerned about potential loss of information. Due to the disabled API and the disabled Special:Export page, there doesn't seem to be any trivial way to backup updates to the website. --Stefan2 00:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
It would be good to make sure that our :ja colleagues are fully informed about a) the potential to lose their work and b) the fact that they are skipping over the potential to be admins and work to shape the new WMF site. If someone who speaks Japanese could work on that, it would be most helpful. --Peter Talk 13:59, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Finnish[edit]

Size of Wikitravel: 1748 articles, 542 registered users, 10 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 4 admins 02:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • Support Finnish tourists is the big part of tourist in Russia, and I think we need finnish versions of pages about Russia. Красный 09:39, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I'm registered WT user. I speak Finnish and English. Tsel 06:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Sometimes I contribute the Finnish WikiTravel, but nowadays it seems to be more or less ruined. -Kulmalukko 18:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Gentenaar 08:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support --Stryn 10:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Preparing the Launch[edit]

Before the Finnish test wiki is opened, the namespaces on tech:New namespaces for language versions need to be checked and corrected if necessary. Also, any language specific patterns that need to be replaced should be posted on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import. sumone10154(talk) 16:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Namespaces are ok. --Stryn 04:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Swedish[edit]

Size of Wikitravel: 1428 articles, 849 registered users, 4 active users (edited in the past 30 days), 2 admins 02:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • Support. Riggwelter 12:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC) (of course!!)
  • Support. I'm a registered user of Swedish WT and I understand/speak/write the language on a basic level, I could help if necessary - Gentenaar 06:31, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I am a user and admin at Swedish WT and I speak English and Swedish. I would love to help and support this project as best as I can. Akteacher 06:35, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I am an user at Swedish WT and I speak English and Swedish. I support this project. /Johan Jönsson 08:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I am an user of Sw Wt and I speak Swedish and English. I support this project. Madfan87 14:50, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Preparing the launch[edit]

Please post language specific patterns that need to be replaced. Post on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import#Special to sv:. Also, correct or verify my guesses for the names of the namespaces. -- Hansm 23:30, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

The namespaces are checked, and OK. there are no patterns specific to the swedish language edition. There is one instance of translation of traveller to resenär but that would be the same translation for voyager. So, as far as I can see, alles klar!. /Johan Jönsson 10:36, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
One side note only, we have a lot of words that are written together as one word. Do the import script take those? For instance we write "wikivoyagesida" as one word on swedish and not as the english two words: "wikivoyage page". /Johan Jönsson 10:43, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, the only thing I can do is to replace patterns without understanding their meaning. We will replace the character string "Wikitravel" by "Wikivoyage" in the general section. But this is probably too less for most languages. In English. for example, the word "Wikitraveller" would be replaced to "Wikivoyageler" what is definitely wrong. Thus, we need to replace "Wikitraveller" by "Wikivoyager" in a language specific section before we apply the general replace rules. It's up to you who know the language to find out what patterns need to be replaced.
It's not about translating English words like "traveller" into Swedish. It is just how the Swedish text as it comes from Wikitravel needs to be adapted before we can publish it on Wikivoyage.
-- Hansm 11:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Then it is OK, just felt that I had to check that it really was replacing the character string "Wikitravel" by "Wikivoyage" even if it was embedded in a longer word. Thanks for the good work!/Johan Jönsson 11:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Gut, alles klar! Then I will run my scripts for sv:. -- Hansm 11:16, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a test wiki on http://sv.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ . Please report bugs on tech:Wikitravel Migration bugs#sv:. Before you report template related bugs, please try to copy the corresponding templates from en:, first. -- Hansm 13:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks fine, I see that we on sv: have kept the old RDF-template "IsIn", while en: have moved on to "IsPartOf" with some nicer code. I guess sv: should follow the example of en: here./Johan Jönsson 20:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes.
Btw: Is "Wikivoyageler" really correct in Swedish?
-- Hansm 21:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
We do not use wikitraveller, wikivoyager or wikivoyagler, we use wikiresenär, much like the dutch. We do not use it much at all. (reminds me of the hamburglar, could this be the wikivoyage mangler?:) /Johan Jönsson 05:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, I see. After having set up the sv: wiki, I have counterchecked it by running a full text search on WT/sv and did find some occurenes of "Wikitraveller". But you are right, this are only very few places and it is all English text. So, everything seems to be fine with our sv:, so far. -- Hansm 06:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Guys... silly q: how do I log on to the test wiki in sv:? It won't take my Wikivoyage credentials. Riggwelter 13:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Please contact one of the below users by email for the ht-access username and password:
Well inside, use the wikivoyage user credentials. Please report bugs on tech:Wikitravel Migration bugs
/Johan Jönsson 16:08, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Rigg, I did not find an easy to go way for establishing a single signon for the new wikis. Thus, I simply have imported the user table from general: as of about 10 days ago. If you have registered after this point, there won't be a user Riggwelter on the new sv: and you have to register as a new user on sv:. -- Hansm 07:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Email sent to Inas... hope it works :-) Riggwelter 21:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

There has been reported one bug, but already together with its fix. Can we release sv: into productive usage, still protected by a password? -- Hansm 07:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes!/Johan Jönsson 15:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

sv: has been released for productive work. -- Hansm 12:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Hansm! We're on!! And for the swedish-speaking users among us: vi väntar på er nu... kontakta Inas eller Atsirlin enligt ovan och logga in för att hjälpa till! Riggwelter 18:17, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Chinese[edit]

Support[edit]

Oppose[edit]

Hungarian[edit]

Support[edit]

Oppose[edit]

Romanian[edit]

Support[edit]

  • I have been sporadically participating in ro.wikitravel and I would like to see the few articles we have continue on wikivoyage.--Strainu 13:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm the only active admin left at Romanian WT, currently keeping an eye on the dying activity out there, but if needed, I can do the same at a Romanian version of wikivoyage. --Vlad 20:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I started something at ro.wikitravel, and I would like continue on wikivoyage. I think that this project will have Romanian support, as all wikies. --H1i2ro 18:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm a active user on the Wikipedia in romania language, i know english, and i interested to create a wikivoyage in romanian language.--AlternoBreak 19:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I am in. Interested in travelling with experience at wp.ro. Count on my support.Silenzio 21:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Preparing the Launch[edit]

Before the test wiki is opened, the namespaces on tech:New namespaces for language versions need to be checked and corrected if necessary. Also, any language specific patterns that need to be replaced should be posted on tech:Patterns to replace after the Import. sumone10154(talk) 23:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

We've discussed on Wikipedia and the namespaces are now correct. However, as a matter of pedantry, we would like to ask for an alias called Wikivoiaj to the Wikivoyage namespace (the default name should remain as written in that page.
I have also edited the patterns to handle the correct Romanian diacritics. Thank you for your support, we hope to have a Romanian version of Wikivoyage very soon!--Strainu 23:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Hebrew[edit]

Support[edit]

  • Support. I am an user of En Wt and I speak Hebrew and English. I support this project. Elya 14 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I am a user of Ru and En Wt. I speak Russian, Hebrew and English. --Aklyuch 19:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. Hi, I work on wikis in Hebrew and English and would be glad to see the Hebrew Wikitravel open anew here as he.wikivoyage. Dovi (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

German[edit]

Support[edit]

  • Support. The German Wikitravel may not be as complete as English Wikitravel, but it's still valuable. I therefor vote to import it. I'm also willing to expand it and I may also be available as Admin. --Trvllr 01:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

The German Wikivoyage is more complete than the version on German Wikitravel, so that will be imported to Wikimedia instead. sumone10154(talk) 23:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)