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Ready for translation: Education Newsletter March 2023

March 2023 education newsletter released for translation. Please help our readers to read education newsletter in their native language. The latest education newsletter is ready for translation: here Newsletter headlines link for translation: here (please translate by April 08, 2023) Individual articles for translation: Category:Education/Newsletter/March 2023. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 20:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed amendment to the Meta inactivity policy

Hello. I am proposing an amendment to Meta:Administrators/Removal to increase the period of time allowed to inactive administrators to sign and keep their permissions from 7 days to 30 days. Interested users can participate in the discussion on the policy's talk page. Thank you, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed amendment to the CentralNotice admin policy

Hello. I am proposing a specific inactivity policy for Meta:CentralNotice administrators. Interested users can participate in the discussion here. Thank you, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Unblock Babel AutoCreate

Hello! Over the past months, major bugs have been fixed when creating categories for the Babel extension. It seems to me that now the bot Babel AutoCreate (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log) can be properly configured and unblocked:

1. It stopped creating preview categories
2. Improved attitude towards language aliases
3. Now when creating a category it can insert templates that can categorize categories

Iniquity (talk) 12:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

fyi @MarcoAurelio Iniquity (talk) 12:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I would be interested to see a list of any related phab tasks that were opened regarding the prior behavior, and that they are resolved to move forward - can you provide these @Iniquity? — xaosflux ^Talk 21:20, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, yes, I can :)
phab:T211665, phab:T64714, phab:T170654, phab:T184941, phab:T33074, phab:T112868, phab:T62824, phab:T63993, phab:T306539 Iniquity (talk) 16:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose. Thanks for the ping, but I don't want to see this broken bot unblocked. It serves no useful purpose that cannot be achieved by a couple of edits. I also wonder if this bot has stopped creating categories for invalid language codes not present in the CDLR and/or ULS repos. It was a pain to manually delete that kind of stuff and I'd rather have a redlinked category than to cleanup stuff again. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@MarcoAurelio, "for invalid language codes not present in the CDLR and/or ULS repos". Which one, for example? Iniquity (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Iniquity: The bot used to create categories for any code inside a #babel box (e.g. Category:User:Es or Category:User ES being es the only valid code). I see this may be fixed at phab:T63993, but that issue led to many deleted categories due to wrong/invalid language codes and duplicate categories. I don't want to get all over that again. Special language codes may be disabled now if phab:T306539 is right, but apparently that'd be a list you'd need to manually update for each special code you'd like disabled (I don't get what MediaWiki:Babel-category-override really does or how it'd work). I am not convinced that Babel AutoCreate is useful at this stage, after many years without it and no apparent issues with categories. Thank you, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I have not been able to create such categories in the Russian Wikipedia, so I suspect that it does not create them anymore :) Iniquity (talk) 21:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

This comes down to:

1. Whether babel still populates incorrectly-named categories.
2. Whether this wiki wants such categories, given that they are populated, to be red or blue.
3. Whether this wiki is keeping up with creating any red validly-named Babel categories.

The answer to 3 is clearly yes - I did a database query and found no categories the bot would currently create if it were unblocked. Hence, that makes the other two questions moot, and I see no good reason to unblock. The probable reason for this is that categories for all or almost all languages have already been created, and Babel is currenty configured to only populate "Category:User <language>" and not "Category:User <language>-<level>" categories on Meta. For the record, I have no idea whether 1 is still an issue or not, and am not involved enough with administration on this wiki to have an opinion on 2. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 18:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Well for me (and I guess the many projects that got fed up of the bot) #1 is really important :) If there's no assurances that Babel will be creating categories with/for valid and normalised language codes, then I don't think we should unblock. For es.wikipedia, for example, I see the bot keeps creating empty categories. I am not sure if this got fixed via gerrit:882241 but useless empty categories are a concern for me as well. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

The bot's most recent creation on the Spanish Wikipedia was on March 7. The MediaWiki version that included the linked Gerrit patch was deployed to Spanish Wikipedia on March 9. That looks to me like the patch fixed the empty category issue.

On the general questions, if the answer to 2 is "blue" then 1 is irrelevant - this is the English Wikipedia's position, where pages in red-linked categories are considered a sin to avoid at all costs. I suspect that the English Wikipedia would at this point be OK with unblocking the bot, but 3 is true there as well so there's little point. You seem to be implicitly acknowledging that the Spanish Wikipedia's answer to 2 is "red", which is fine, and suggests that the bot should remain blocked there, which is fine, but should be explicitly acknowledged. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose That bot-like account made several fires and furies edits around several wikis, not only WMF wikis, a global ban should be considered. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:04, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Admin activity review/2022

How is it going? I suppose that it had been done as the review normally finishes in March. cc. @Elton and Stanglavine. —— Eric Liu_（Talk） 09:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Seeking volunteers for the next step in the Universal Code of Conduct process

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Hello,

As follow-up to the message about the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines by Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Vice Chair, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, I am reaching out about the next steps. I want to bring your attention to the next stage of the Universal Code of Conduct process, which is forming a building committee for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). I invite community members with experience and deep interest in community health and governance to nominate themselves to be part of the U4C building committee, which needs people who are:

• Community members in good standing
• Knowledgeable about movement community processes, such as, but not limited to, policy drafting, participatory decision making, and application of existing rules and policies on Wikimedia projects
• Aware and appreciative of the diversity of the movement, such as, but not limited to, languages spoken, identity, geography, and project type
• Committed to participate for the entire U4C Building Committee period from mid-May - December 2023
• Comfortable with engaging in difficult, but productive conversations
• Confidently able to communicate in English

The Building Committee shall consist of volunteer community members, affiliate board or staff, and Wikimedia Foundation staff.

The Universal Code of Conduct has been a process strengthened by the skills and knowledge of the community and I look forward to what the U4C Building Committee creates. If you are interested in joining the Building Committee, please either sign up on the Meta-Wiki page, or contact ucocprojectwikimedia.org by May 12, 2023. Read more on Meta-Wiki.

Best regards,

Xeno (WMF) 19:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)