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Why only humans?[edit]

The page says "We are celebrating how humans made Wikipedia what it is, and only humans can help sustain and grow it." I find this an odd choice of phrasing - why "human" rather than "editors" or "community"? Pi bot wants to know why its contributions are less appreciated just because it's silicon-based rather than carbon-based. Wikidata in general can support an increased amount of automation on Wikipedia so that humans can focus more on the edits that only humans can do. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I heard a rumour that Pi-bot is, in fact, a silicon-puppet for a human editor. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I don't know, I'm starting to get the feeling that it makes better edits than I do. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, Thank you for asking this question. I have to say, bots were not on our minds when we started to think about the 20th Birthday, because everything I have experienced here as a "newcomer" has been around meeting people; colleagues and community members alike, each with their very human traits. But, I think I see where you're coming from and so I am going to attempt to answer your question.

I see "bot edits", or "automated edits", as the product of human minds at work who are trying to make Wikipedia and our projects a better place, a better source of knowledge, a more accurate one. I think (underline "think") I understand what you mean by not wanting to push forward only the human edits, which might introduce more mistakes than a bot, but I think you might agree with me that having humans behind the bots and the AIs help us keep the most important thing about being human: innovation and creativity.

So, I want to thank you for voicing your question, because it will help us make sure that as we celebrate 20 years of Wikipedia, we keep in mind how technology, albeit created by humans, is assisting the human mind and heart to create this wonder that Wikipedia and its sister projects are, with the goal of gathering the sum of all human knowledge. I'm available to chat more on this, if you wish! Thank you. Khanyi (talk) 16:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

@KMpumlwana (WMF): Thanks for the reply and for listening! Bots are in the background, so they often aren't immediately obvious. I agree that bots are the work of human minds, although they are as likely to make mistakes as humans (they operate on pre-existing information, and if there is bad input information, they will make bad edits as a result). However, they are really important to save the time of human editors so that they don't have to do the mundane tasks that can be automated.
If you continue with the "human" narrative (I'd still recommend using another word), then I think it is still important to emphasise that humans can do some tasks really well (particularly writing article prose, taking photos, etc.), but other tasks (like lists and metadata) can be done better by automated tools. I really don't want to see the situation where WMF is saying "only humans should make edits", as that would take us back a decade or two (even in Wikipedia's earliest days, bot edits were important). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Hi Mike,

Thank you for engaging me, and giving more insight into this. A lot of what we’re aiming for during these celebrations is to tell the stories about things that aren’t quite as obvious to people outside of our movement. I think you’ve pointed to a great storytelling opportunity, because it’s something people who are external or just entering this movement and learning about how it all works — would love to know more about. I certainly wouldn’t encourage anything that takes us 20 years back, but rather what pushes us forward into the next 20 years — and the bots made by humans that make the human work easier are part of what pushes us forward. Thanks Khanyi (talk) 07:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  • I really agree that the story of bot editing on Wikipedia is one that is *very* interesting. The early anti-vandal bots started to be used on English Wikipedia at about the same time as we had the drop in number of editors, and there is some indication that there is a correlation between these events. Some Wikipedias generate a large percentage of their articles using bots. Bots also do a huge amount of routine maintenance on a lot of projects. Scripts also have a place in the discussion as they are human-guided mini-programs generally used to automate tedious routine tasks. They both play a big role in how we manage projects with such a comparatively small number of active editors. Risker (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Update the Wikipedia logo?[edit]

A user on enwiki has suggested adding another puzzle piece to the Wikipedia logo for the 20th anniversary of Wikipedia to represent the constant growth of the encyclopedia. What are your thoughts on this? SuperGoose007 (talk) 19:26, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@SuperGoose007: Hello, thank you for sharing! I think it's an interesting idea. I'd suggest raising this on the English Wikipedia Village Pump, as there will need to be a community consensus for changing the Wikipedia logo for the anniversary. LTraer (WMF) (talk) 23:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Issue with "get involved" button on Timeless skin[edit]

Currently, due to the size of the "Days until Wikipedia 20" box, it's nearly impossible to click the "Get involved" button from the landing page while using the Timeless skin (preview). Isabelle 🔔 17:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Fixed I think. (It had the same problem in Vector for the top 1/3 of the link.) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:26, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! The issues still seems to be present in the translated versions, but I assume it will just take some time to percolate. Isabelle 🔔 21:46, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
👍 Legal doctrine (talk) 08:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Wording[edit]

Hello, I just don't get the meaning of this sentence:

"We are celebrating 20 years human!"

Is a comma lacking, or a suffix, or something else? :-) Ziko (talk) 15:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Or "20 years humanity", I don't understand either. Stryn (talk) 08:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ziko: : @Stryn: Hello and thank you for your questions!
For the English iteration of this line, we are using an English language turn of phrase sometimes used in book/movie titles where the verbal structure is implied; as in the film 12 Years a Slave, where the implied structure is "He was a slave for 12 years". The popular song "Three Times a Lady" uses this construct, too.
The construction can be used with durations followed by a noun, and it indicates how long or how many times someone is or was something. With “20 Years Human”, we imply that for 20 years, Wikipedia has been built and brought to life by human beings. When it comes to the translation of this topic, this is something I've thought long and hard about — as someone who speaks English as a third language.
The great thing about the concept “20 Years Human” is that the term “human” exists in every language, and that variations of the concept of humanity can be applied in any culture.  For instance, there is a concept called "ubuntu"/ "isintu" which refers to human beings sharing in resources, and that one human being exists because of others (which feels quite applicable to why Wikipedia exists, and the work our volunteers do for everyone to share in the sum of all human knowledge).
When translating, the aim is to capture the sentiment, rather than directly translating the copy. This can be achieved by identifying the meaning of what is being said and why it is being said; in order to convey the same meaning and purpose in the destination language. 
For example:
English: I use blue (e.g. a blue colour pencil/paint), translated to isiZulu as: Ngipenda ngombala oluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka. 
In the example above, the isiZulu translation of "I use blue" writes out the action and describes the colour with an example. Loosely, it says "I paint with the colour of the sky"
In French "Twenty years human" could be "Vingt ans d’humain". For other languages, we might have to apply as in the above isiZulu example. Possible options include:
  • Twenty Years of Human Knowledge

  • Celebrating the Humans behind Wikipedia

  • Celebrating the humans who make Wikipedia work
We would encourage anyone to make this line relevant to their own language or cultural context! I hope this helps. Thank you for your time! Khanyi (talk) 18:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Adding pings for Ziko and Stryn to make sure they've received them. :-) Ed WMF [talk] 20:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear KMpumlwana (WMF), thank you for the explanation. So my problem was less a grammatical but a semantic one, it seems. When I saw the trailer of "12 years a Slave" in the cinema, I suppose I immediately understood that the phrase refers to the protaganist of the movie. But... "human"? Sure, I could translate that to German. "Wir feiern 20 Jahre Mensch!" Like in, "we celebrate x years of democracy" at the anniversary of our constitution.

I am not sure how many people, with English as their first, second, third language, will have similar problems to get the message at once. So, how long will be the label attached to the slogan? Wouldn't it be a better idea to have a slogan that is easy to understand for most people, and easy to translate? Something like "20 years of human knowledge" would be a good start for a discussion, I guess. Ziko (talk) 22:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear Ziko, I now understand fully what you're saying, and thank you for engaging me on it! It's an interesting challenge, because to us, the "human" in 20 Years Human refers to every human that makes it possible: the ones who edit, the ones who create, the ones who exist so that we have things to create about, the ones who are curious enough to find out more, the ones who contribute to keeping this shared knowledge free. It's essentially one of the better demonstrations of human collaboration. That said, we have decided to open discussions about this particular phrasing, so we can figure out creative expressions around it together. Thank you again! Khanyi (talk) 17:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Please consider to drop this 'human'(s) centered wording in intro text all-together in as it will be first thing people read and non-native speakers are confused by it already. It is hardy possible to grasp intention now, let alone to translate into different languages. Restart the copywriting. Work should be done also with non-native English people that can immediately think with other languages in mind! Zblace (talk) 11:09, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Initiative for celebrating Wikipedia 20[edit]

Perhaps we can celebrate Wikipedia 20 virtually by suggesting the World's leaders endorse 6-hour day. If there are more than 2021 Wikipedians sign the petition, then it becomes a valid plan.

In the end, human knowledge is there meant to improve human well-being. :)

This is my idea. Thanks for having me here. Legal doctrine (talk) 08:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Please no politics here. Stryn (talk) 08:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your suggestion. I just checked the definition of Wikipedia:politics and realized that Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations between individuals, such as the distribution of resources or status. Hence, I would say that everyone involving in the activities that are associated with making decisions in Wikimedia Meta is doing politics. Regards. Legal doctrine (talk) 08:41, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Meta-Wiki partially serves as a hub for Wikimedia movement internal politics, but what you're proposing is not that. I fail to see the connection between Wikipedia 20 and this particular labour law. It seems like a stretch to say they're related, and not all Wikipedians would agree with the proposal anyway. PiRSquared17 (talk) 08:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi, thanks. I understand what you said. This is why I proposed If there are more than 2021 Wikipedians sign the petition, then it becomes a valid plan. The criterion is high. Regards. Legal doctrine (talk) 08:54, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
By the way, it is conceivable to me that Wikipedia can be a bridge between human knowledge and human's real-life direction, as postulated by WP:Purpose. So at least, I think it is relevant. Regards. Legal doctrine (talk) 08:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Wiki 20 Countdown livestream series[edit]

We've started Wiki 20 Countdown as a livestream series leading up to the 20th birthday celebration, and culminating with a Wiki Week in January.--Pharos (talk) 04:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pharos, thanks so much for sharing this page. Do you want to add it to the events on the main Wikipedia 20 page for more visibility? --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Rapid Grant survey[edit]

As part of the upcoming celebrations surrounding Wikipedia's 20th birthday, the Wikimedia Foundation is publishing a short optional survey that will help us understand the needs of people who would like to host a birthday event. The survey is expected to take three to five minutes to fill in and will remain open until 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 30 September 2020.

Before taking the survey, please review the privacy statement policy.

We would also like to announce that the Foundation will be supporting Wikipedia 20 anniversary celebration events through multiple grant programs:

  • Rapid Grants to support celebration events up to 2000 USD. More information on them will be available next month.
  • Additional funding for Conference & Events grantees (e.g. for a regional or thematic conference) who wish to incorporate a celebration event to an existing conference.
  • Conference & Event Grants to support celebration events for more than 2000 USD.*
  • Round one applications for conference & event grants is now open until 28 September 2020.

Thank you! --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

The survey report is now available on Wikimedia Commons. Please check it out here. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 11:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Intro TEXT feels Super Hard to TRANSLATE...[edit]

Wanted to start translating but intro TEXT feels Super Hard to TRANSLATE, both for choice of words and final statement... Zblace (talk) 11:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Zblace! Thanks for flagging this here and also your note in the wording section on this discussion page. The Wikipedia 20 team is currently working on solutions to the communications language and will share any update on this here once we do. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 16:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Rapid Grants for Wikipedia 20 celebration events[edit]

We are excited to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation will be supporting individuals and groups planning to hold Wikipedia 20 celebration events through the Rapid Grants program.

The Rapid Grants program can support event plans with a budget ranging from 500 USD, up to 2,000 USD. All the details, the eligibility criteria, and the application form are available on the Wikipedia 20 grants page.

Applications for Rapid grants are accepted between the 1st and 15th of each month, and a decision on the application is, typically, ready by the end of that month. For applicants who would like to host Wikipedia celebration events during the month of January 2021, we highly recommend applying as soon as possible (i.e. during the November 2020 cycle). For later events through the end of 2021, applications will continue to be open later in the year.

Other funding opportunities If your plans for the Wikipedia 20 celebration event don’t meet some of the eligibility criteria for a Rapid Grant (e.g. your budget is expected to exceed $2000), you may want to consider reducing the scale of your activities, or to explore other grant opportunities that may better support your plan:

*Round one applications for Conference & Event grants is now closed. Details for round two (for events that will be held between July and December 2021) will be announced on the conference and event grants page.

For more information on Wikipedia 20, please visit the Wikipedia 20 grants meta page. Thank you and please share the message with your communities!--Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 21:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia 20 office hour[edit]

Hi everyone. In the Wikipedia 20 survey last month, we asked about types of non-financial support the Wikipedia 20 team can provide to aid event organizers during their planning for celebratory events. In the responses, we have seen a set of support areas the organizers are looking for, including: guidance on holding online events, help with content the event organizers can share with their social media communities on the occasion of Wikipedia 20, creating video messages to be shared with local communities, ideas for swag, etc. The Wikipedia 20 team is planning to hold an office hour in the month of November to explore ways to support these requests and answer any questions that event organizers may have. We wanted to ask if you have other topics that you would like to add to this meeting agenda and what other areas of support your group may need to make your event most successful? Please let us know in the comments below. Thank you so much and we’re looking forward to chatting soon. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 12:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Crediting the art creators[edit]

Hi! It's quite confounding that neither Jasmina El Bouamraoui nor Karabo Poppy Moletsane are credited on the material page. Really undersells why this artwork looks the way it does. Braveheart (talk) 08:34, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Braveheart! Thank you for flagging this! We have updated the material page here on meta and the lockup files on Commons to add the art creator names. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi BFlores (WMF) and Selsharbaty (WMF) - I was also flagging it on Commons talk page (there is still no info on font) and was asking for .SVG file if possible to get one? --Zblace (talk) 19:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia 20 Facebook group![edit]

Hello everyone! We have started a Facebook group for discussions related to the upcoming Wikipedia 20 celebration plans, exchanging ideas and finding sources of inspiration. Join us and add your interested Wikimedian friends. Thank you! --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 16:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Selsharbaty (WMF): Isn’t this worth noted at some more prominent place than a talk page? I don’t know where, but I don’t think many people will find it here. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 17:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
@Tacsipacsi: Agreed. We have also shared the link on some Wikimedia groups on Facebook. We would like your help sharing it with your community and welcome any suggestions for other places where we can share the link and invite folks to join. Thanks so much! --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 11:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia 20 Collaborative meeting[edit]

Hello everyone! Do you have any questions about Wikipedia 20? Planning for your events, how to use the material and designs available, eligibility for grants, birthday messaging, translations, localizations & press or anything else related to your celebration plans? Join us for a collaborative discussion on Monday 23 November 2020 from 1700 to 1800 UTC (check out your local time) If you have any topics related to Wikipedia 20 that you would like to add to the meeting agenda or questions that you would like to add to the Q&A queue, please add them to the “Topics and questions for discussion” section of the page here. Thank you and looking forward to chatting with you in two weeks!--Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 20:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

This meeting is coming next Monday. Don't forget to mark your calendars and bring any questions you have. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia 20 Telegram group[edit]

Hello everyone! We have started Telegram for discussions related to the upcoming Wikipedia 20 celebration plans, exchanging ideas and finding sources of inspiration. Join us and add your interested Wikip(m)edian friends. Namaste! Rajeeb (talk) 14:23, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Call for volunteers - Community Design Group[edit]

We are looking for volunteers to help us with birthday designs. Over the first two weeks of December 2020, we will be adding special, movement-related symbols to our Wikipedia 20 set that truly represents our stories, our purpose and our work. Ever thought “this set needs a stroopwafel”? Or “Would love to see a symbol that represents a very specific user group”? Or if you just want to lend your talents, we need you!

How it is going to work: There will be three, one-hour long sessions to brainstorm and make symbols. If you can only brainstorm and not design, please join one of them anyway. The more, the merrier.

If you are interested in joining a session to help us create more illustrations based on the style on these Wikipedia 20 marks, please sign up on this page or email wikipedia20(at)wikimedia(dot)org telling us how you would like to be involved and on which of the following dates and times:

  • 7 December 2020 at 1700 UTC
  • 8 December 2020 at 1800 UTC
  • 9 December 2020 at 1000 UTC

Thank you so much! --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 09:52, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Création de modèle Utilisateur Wikipédia 20[edit]

Bonjour à tous Je vient de crée un modèle pour les participants de l'événement Wikipédia 20. Pour l'utilisez copie et colle le modèle sur votre page de présentation Wikipédia {{Utilisateur Wikipédia 20}}. --Aboubacarkhoraa (talk) 15:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)