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I never meant to submit multiple logos, so I want to withdraw my submissions except for the flying plane variant. Globe-trotter (talk) 04:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I think you can edit the page removing the logos of you that you don't want to be submitted. --Andyrom75 (talk) 09:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy to help, too. :) I removed them. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 11:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Potential issues with logos using triple Vs / WV[edit]

Please take a look at the logo of the Dutch tourist information organization VVV: [1], which they use very prominently throughout the Netherlands. The whole idea for the logo, as well as the colour and fonts used by editors of most variations of this theme submitted, seems too similar for me to be able to fend off action from VVV should they decide to take some. And I believe this is even more obvious than in the case of WTO, plus VVV does something very similar to what WV does.

If there are any Wikilawyers reading, it would be good if they could take a look at this and say whether this would be a concern. PrinceGloria (talk) 06:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Potential GE issue[edit]

According to the legal criteria that sees similarities between these two logos: WTO logo Current Wikivoyage logo

Maybe would arise similar objection between these two: New Wikivoyage submission GE logo

...GE has a huge amount of lawyers and a strong brand protection philosophy. --Andyrom75 (talk) 07:26, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I do not see any similarities between the two logos except for the circle. And when a circle is a problem then we will have a BIG problem. ;-)
I see for example a vague similarity between the following submission and the VLC icon for IOS. But is it true or is it only in my head?
New Wikivoyage submission vs VLC IOS icon Giweddah
I think that the perceived similarity with the VLC icon is in your head - the latter is plainly a traffic cone. :) I think the original logo resemblance (between the ribbon W and GE) does have some merit, but I'm not sure it's enough to stop the logo from being used. --Nick talk 12:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I thought that in the logo submission is a traffic cone, too – a tilting one. ;-) Only with a blue background instead of an orange one. Giweddah
Yeah I instantly thought GE when I saw that logo. I think it's just asking difficulties. – linnea (talk) 20:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
And in orange? Ok, never mind, I understand, I cancel this submission, because I don't need more trouble! Giweddah
Can you be clearer? Are you cancelling your submission of the W-route logo or your question about the Flowing Arrow logo? Nick1372 (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't think the WMF will hold you liable if it turns out that they are too similar. But an official statement by Maggie Dennis would be great. You aren't a lawyer and submitted your logo in good faith. It's the job the WMF lawyers, in my opinion, to sort this potential issue out. -- Rillke (talk) 18:50, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I believe that is true. If the logo is too similar, the WMF lawyers should identify that if it is selected, and I do not believe personally this would cause any trouble for you. (I'm afraid, though, that even the WMF attorneys could not say that for sure - they would not be allowed to give you legal advice due to laws governing attorneys in the U.S.) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 14:05, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review[edit]

Feel free to add remarks.

# Proposal Uploaded by Author Proposed by (diff) possible copyright/trademark issues
1 Wikivoyage Logo Idea.png
File:Wikivoyage Logo Idea.png
Nicholasjf21 (talk · contribs) Nicholasjf21 Nicholasjf21
2 WV logo v28.png
File:WV logo v28.png
Digr (talk · contribs) Digr, based on Meta logo User:WarX NaBUru38 Lacking a copyright license tag.
3 Plane2.png
File:Plane2.png
Isatis78 (talk · contribs) Isatis78 NaBUru38
4 WikivoyageNewLogo1.png
File:WikivoyageNewLogo1.png
Skalman (talk · contribs), Youtube2000 (talk · contribs) Youtube2000/Rbrown Youtube2000
5 WikiVoyage-logo.svg
File:WikiVoyage-logo.svg
DerFussi (talk · contribs) Wikivoyage users Hansm and Unger RolandUnger
6 Wv logo proposal flying plane.png
File:Wv logo proposal flying plane.png
Globe-trotter (talk · contribs) Globe-trotter Globe-trotter
7 WV logo 1.svg
File:WV logo 1.svg
Pbsouthwood (talk · contribs) Peter Southwood Pbsouthwood
8 WV logo 2.svg
File:WV logo 2.svg
Pbsouthwood (talk · contribs) Peter Southwood Pbsouthwood
9 WV Get Escape.svg
File:WV Get Escape.svg
Mess (talk · contribs) Mess Mess
10 WV Get Escape 4.svg
File:WV Get Escape 4.svg
Mess (talk · contribs) Mess Mess
11 WV Get Escape 6.svg
File:WV Get Escape 6.svg
Mess (talk · contribs) Mess Mess
12 Travel boat rgb logo.svg
File:Travel boat rgb logo.svg
Isarra (talk · contribs) Isarra Mono
13 Travel boat blue logo.svg
File:Travel boat blue logo.svg
Isarra (talk · contribs) Isarra Mono
14 Community boat logo.svg
File:Community boat logo.svg
Isarra (talk · contribs) Isarra, Artur Jan Fijałkowski Mono
15 WV logo v25 v2.png
File:WV logo v25 v2.png
Pilettes (talk · contribs) Pilettes, based on Meta logo (Author - User:WarX) and version made by Digr Mono Lacking a copyright tag.
16 WV-Logo Proposal AleXXw.svg
File:WV-Logo Proposal AleXXw.svg
AleXXw (talk · contribs) AleXXw AleXXw
17 Wikivoyage-giweddah-wroute6.png
File:Wikivoyage-giweddah-wroute6.png
Giweddah (talk · contribs) Giweddah Giweddah GE logo (see above)
18 Wikivoyage logo - arrow prototype no text.png
File:Wikivoyage logo - arrow prototype no text.png
Hahc21 (talk · contribs) Hahc21 Hahc21 withdrawn
19 Wikivoyage logo - arrow prototype 2 no text.png
File:Wikivoyage logo - arrow prototype 2 no text.png
Hahc21 (talk · contribs) Hahc21 Hahc21 withdrawn
20 Wikivoyage logo - arrow prototype variant 1.png
File:Wikivoyage logo - arrow prototype variant 1.png
Hahc21 (talk · contribs) Hahc21 Hahc21
21 Wikivoyage logo - highway prototype no text.png
File:Wikivoyage logo - highway prototype no text.png
Hahc21 (talk · contribs) Hahc21 Hahc21
22 Logo entry shyamal2.svg
File:Logo entry shyamal2.svg
Shyamal (talk · contribs) L. Shyamal Shyamal
23 Logo entry shyamal3.svg
File:Logo entry shyamal3.svg
Shyamal (talk · contribs) L. Shyamal Shyamal
24 Logo entry shyamal4.svg
File:Logo entry shyamal4.svg
Shyamal (talk · contribs) L. Shyamal Shyamal
25 Wikivoyage-giweddah-takeoff4.svg
File:Wikivoyage-giweddah-takeoff4.svg
Giweddah (talk · contribs) Giweddah Giweddah
26 Wikivoyage Logo TMg Sailboat 2 2.svg
File:Wikivoyage Logo TMg Sailboat 2 2.svg
TMg (talk · contribs) TMg TMg
27 Wikivoyage magic carpet.svg
File:Wikivoyage magic carpet.svg
Shyamal (talk · contribs) rendering L. Shyamal; idea m:User:Micru Shyamal
28 WV-Logo Proposal Peterfitzgerald with text.svg
File:WV-Logo Proposal Peterfitzgerald with text.svg
Peterfitzgerald (talk · contribs) Peterfitzgerald Peterfitzgerald
29 Wikivoyage snake on beach.jpg
File:Wikivoyage snake on beach.jpg
Linnea (talk · contribs) Linnea Linnea Request withdrawn Not polished enough to be real candidate and problems with non-latin languages. – linnea (talk) 21:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
30 Wikivoyage snake.jpg
File:Wikivoyage snake.jpg
Micru (talk · contribs) Lluis Valls Micru
31 Suitcase icon blue green red jpg to svg v1.svg
File:Suitcase icon blue green red jpg to svg v1.svg
Bin im Garten (talk · contribs) Jahoe (original) Elinnea (these colours) User:Bin im Garten (conversion to SVG) Elinnea
32 Proposed logo wikivoyages 1.svg
File:Proposed logo wikivoyages 1.svg
Lionel Allorge (talk · contribs) Lionel Allorge Lionel Allorge Flag of NATO.svg
Flag of NATO
33 Proposed logo wikivoyages 2.svg
File:Proposed logo wikivoyages 2.svg
Lionel Allorge (talk · contribs) Lionel Allorge Lionel Allorge
34 Logo wikiVoyage dhow (2012).png
File:Logo wikiVoyage dhow (2012).png
Pequod76 (talk · contribs) Pequod76 Pequod76
35 Logo wikiVoyage dhow (2nd version - 2013 contest).png
File:Logo wikiVoyage dhow (2nd version - 2013 contest).png
Pequod76 (talk · contribs) Pequod76 Pequod76
36 Logo wikiVoyage dhow - 2013 contest (3rd version).png
File:Logo wikiVoyage dhow - 2013 contest (3rd version).png
Pequod76 (talk · contribs) Pequod76 Pequod76
37 Logo wikiVoyage dhow - 2013 contest (4th version).png
File:Logo wikiVoyage dhow - 2013 contest (4th version).png
Pequod76 (talk · contribs) Pequod76 Pequod76
38 Logo wikiVoyage dhow - 2013 contest (5th version).png
File:Logo wikiVoyage dhow - 2013 contest (5th version).png
Pequod76 (talk · contribs) Pequod76 Pequod76
39 HugoWikiVoyage1Mountain.png
File:HugoWikiVoyage1Mountain.png
Hugo Salt (talk · contribs) Hugo Salt Hugo Salt
40 HugoWikiVoyage2Mountain.png
File:HugoWikiVoyage2Mountain.png
Hugo Salt (talk · contribs) Hugo Salt Hugo Salt
41 Wikivoyage Ross Hill 1.png
File:Wikivoyage Ross Hill 1.png
Ross Hill (talk · contribs) Ross Hill Ross Hill
42 Wikivoyage Ross Hill 2.png
File:Wikivoyage Ross Hill 2.png
Ross Hill (talk · contribs) Ross Hill Ross Hill
43 Wv logo2.png
File:Wv logo2.png
Polloepollo (talk · contribs) Polloepollo 93.36.195.87
44 Wv logo second version R.png
File:Wv logo second version R.png
Polloepollo (talk · contribs) Polloepollo Polloepollo
45 Submission A.png
File:Submission A.png
NJKFalcon (talk · contribs) NJKFalcon NJKFalcon
46 HugoWikiVoyageTop1.png
File:HugoWikiVoyageTop1.png
Hugo Salt (talk · contribs) Hugo Salt 2001:41D0:FE02:9A00:C421:E778:1453:C1C
47 Wikivoyage-giweddah-V-for-voyage2.svg
File:Wikivoyage-giweddah-V-for-voyage2.svg
Giweddah (talk · contribs) Giweddah Giweddah
48 WikivoyageLogo-Alexander95015-Version3.1-NoLines.png
File:WikivoyageLogo-Alexander95015-Version3.1-NoLines.png
Alexander95015 (talk · contribs) Alexander Alexander95015
49 Suitcase with means of travel.svg
File:Suitcase with means of travel.svg
Mimarik (talk · contribs) Mimarik Mimarik
50 Suitcase with means of travel .2.svg
File:Suitcase with means of travel .2.svg
Mimarik (talk · contribs) Mimarik Mimarik
51 Suitcase with means of travel .3.svg
File:Suitcase with means of travel .3.svg
Mimarik (talk · contribs) Mimarik Mimarik
52 Suitcase with means of travel .4.svg
File:Suitcase with means of travel .4.svg
Mimarik (talk · contribs) Mimarik Mimarik
53 Suitcase with means of travel .i.svg
File:Suitcase with means of travel .i.svg
Mimarik (talk · contribs) Mimarik Mimarik
54 Suitcase with means of travel .i2.svg
File:Suitcase with means of travel .i2.svg
Mimarik (talk · contribs) Mimarik Mimarik
55 Wikivoyage logo Design 01.jpg
File:Wikivoyage logo Design 01.jpg
Binnium (talk · contribs) Binni.U.M 202.83.33.14
56 Wikivoyage logo Design 02.jpg
File:Wikivoyage logo Design 02.jpg
Binnium (talk · contribs) Binni.U.M 202.83.33.14
57 Wikivoyage logo Design 03.jpg
File:Wikivoyage logo Design 03.jpg
Binnium (talk · contribs) Binnium 202.83.33.14
58 Logo Wikivoyage 13.png
File:Logo Wikivoyage 13.png
Vandermoehre (talk · contribs) Vandermoehre Vandermoehre
59 Proa logo v1b.svg
File:Proa logo v1b.svg
Pbsouthwood (talk · contribs) Peter Southwood Pbsouthwood
60 Wikivoyage0.1 Proposed By Dyolf77.svg
File:Wikivoyage0.1 Proposed By Dyolf77.svg
Dyolf77 (talk · contribs) Habib M'henni Dyolf77 Request withdrawn, sorry I will propose only two logos to submit! Dyolf77 (talk) 15:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
61 Wikivoyage0.1 Proposed By Dyolf77-edit.svg
File:Wikivoyage0.1 Proposed By Dyolf77-edit.svg
Dyolf77 (talk · contribs) Habib M’henni Dyolf77 Request withdrawn, sorry I will propose only two logos to submit! Dyolf77 (talk) 15:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
62 Wikivoyage0.3 Proposed By Dyolf77-edit.svg
File:Wikivoyage0.3 Proposed By Dyolf77-edit.svg
Dyolf77 (talk · contribs) Habib M’henni Dyolf77
63 Wikivoyage0.4 Proposed by Dyolf77.svg
File:Wikivoyage0.4 Proposed by Dyolf77.svg
Dyolf77 (talk · contribs) Habib M'henni Dyolf77
64 Wikivoyage logo kite.png
File:Wikivoyage logo kite.png
Nizil Shah (talk · contribs) User:Nizil Shah Nizil Shah Request withdrawn Withdrawn per request of User:Nizil Shah.
65 Wv logo kite3.jpg
File:Wv logo kite3.jpg
Nizil Shah (talk · contribs) User:Nizil Shah Nizil Shah Request withdrawn Withdrawn per request of User:Nizil Shah.
66 Wikivoyage logo shoe.png
File:Wikivoyage logo shoe.png
Nizil Shah (talk · contribs) User:Nizil Shah Nizil Shah Request withdrawn Withdrawn per request of User:Nizil Shah.
67 WikivoyageLogo-Alexander95015-Version2.png
File:WikivoyageLogo-Alexander95015-Version2.png
Alexander95015 (talk · contribs) Alexander95015 Alexander95015
68 Wikivoyage logo idea - Geographical zones with arrow 2.svg
File:Wikivoyage logo idea - Geographical zones with arrow 2.svg
Mystère Martin (talk · contribs) Mystère Martin Mystère Martin
69 Wikivoyage logo idea - Geographical zones with two arrows and axial tilt 2.svg
File:Wikivoyage logo idea - Geographical zones with two arrows and axial tilt 2.svg
Mystère Martin (talk · contribs) Mystère Martin Mystère Martin Indian telecom BSNL logo (broken link)
70 Wikivoyage - Travel Bag Logo-1.PNG
File:Wikivoyage - Travel Bag Logo-1.PNG
Imadmemon (talk · contribs) Imadmemon Imadmemon
71 Wikivoyage - Flying Witch - Logo-1.PNG
File:Wikivoyage - Flying Witch - Logo-1.PNG
Imadmemon (talk · contribs) Imadmemon Imadmemon
72 Wikivoyage - Explore The World - Logo-2.PNG
File:Wikivoyage - Explore The World - Logo-2.PNG
Imadmemon (talk · contribs) Imadmemon Imadmemon
73 Wikivoyage - Par Avion.PNG
File:Wikivoyage - Par Avion.PNG
Imadmemon (talk · contribs) Imadmemon Imadmemon Obvious copyvio or at least missing credits. Look at the strange quality and the white rectangle. --TMg 14:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
74 Sextant Logo2 dark.jpg
File:Sextant Logo2 dark.jpg
MEDesigns (talk · contribs) MEDesigns MEDesigns
75 Wikivoyage 2013 logo proposal - Compass 1.svg
File:Wikivoyage 2013 logo proposal - Compass 1.svg
Hardwigg (talk · contribs) Hardwigg Hardwigg
76 Wikivoyage 2013 logo proposal - Compass 2.svg
File:Wikivoyage 2013 logo proposal - Compass 2.svg
Hardwigg (talk · contribs) Hardwigg Hardwigg
77 WV arrow.jpg
File:WV arrow.jpg
Raznow (talk · contribs) Raznow Raznow #Potential_issues_with_logos_using_triple_Vs_.2F_WV http://www.vvv.nl/pagina/home/default.aspx
78 Wikivoyage balloon.jpg
File:Wikivoyage fantasy balloon logo3.svg
Micru (talk · contribs) Lluis Valls Micru
79 Wikivoyage-logo-proposal-feet.png
File:Wikivoyage-logo-proposal-feet.png
Planemad (talk · contribs) Planemad Planemad
80 Wikivoyage-1en-Mmxx.png
File:Wikivoyage-1en-Mmxx.png
Mmxx (talk · contribs) Mmxx Mmxx
81 Wikivoyage-3en-Mmxx.png
File:Wikivoyage-3en-Mmxx.png
Mmxx (talk · contribs) Mmxx Mmxx

Withdrawal of logos[edit]

I withdraw logo option 35 kite and option 36 shoemark (68, 69 and 70 above) as both can not be turned into computerised versions. Sorry for not presenting computerised versions and thanks for giving me a chance. Please someone remove them from race. Regards,-Nizil Shah (talk) 16:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. Nick1372 (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thanks, Nick..-Nizil Shah (talk) 17:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I have removed 32 and 34.--Micru (talk) 20:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

  • I have withdrawn my first two logos, which are #18 and #19. — ΛΧΣ21 23:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I have removed two of mine - sorry, but I physically removed the lines and renumbered the table and some of the above mentioned numbers may not correspond. Revert if needed. Shyamal (talk) 02:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit requested - Append information about community discussion[edit]

{{edit request}}

Please append {{Wikivoyage/Logo/2013/Commentinfo}} at the end of the page (put it in a new line, please). Thank you.

Background: Talk:Wikivoyage/Logo_2013#Discussions_discarded and the section directly below. -- Rillke (talk) 09:51, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done - Hoo man (talk) 14:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Description of "Geographical zones" logos[edit]

Hi, I wrote a description when I presented my logos. It was: I thought about the geographical zones that divide the Earth and I associated them with the colour of the Wikimedia logo: blue (that is a cool colour) stand for the frigid zones, green (that recall the forests, or the nature) represent the temperate zones, and red (a warm colour) is the torrid zone. In order to give the idea of traveling around the world i added some arrows. Maybe it's too long, but could someone write it in the gallery? --Mystère Martin (talk) 10:19, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry. I missed that. Now it's in place and you are free to modify/correct it, if required. -- Rillke (talk) 10:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. --Mystère Martin (talk) 11:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

You MUST inform voters that their choices will be made public[edit]

It is so wrong to find out later that your votes, made through electronic clicks, are publicly displayed. A note at the lead is essential. Tony (talk) 06:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Although logo and image/logo voting was always public here at Meta and over there at Commons, this was perhaps not visible at first glance and therefore, a clear statement has been added. Thank you for raising this important point. -- Rillke (talk) 09:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Where, on what page, are votes being made public? Please add a link to that page in the notice. Thanks, Rogerhc (talk) 05:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I see, I think--each logo has an info page linked to by the "i" icon at right bellow each logo and its votes are recorded at the bottom of that page. Is a running tally being published somewhere showing which logos are winning? --Rogerhc (talk) 06:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately not. Too much computing power is needed for that as the voting-system is extremely complicated. Tomorrow, I will do a test run of the counting script and may decide to publish this but I think I will not to avoid that users change their votes en masse. -- Rillke (talk) 09:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
That is most unfortunate, because the process of changing your votes until a consensus is reached would be a preferred way of deciding the logo for Wikivoyagers. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:25, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
@Rogerhc, it's not that hard to find who's winning. I've looked at the vote tallies for all of the submissions that garnered interest in the submission round (as the preferences of commenters there should be similar to voters here) and here are some of the best-looking: (#s as of 11:40 am EST, July 31)
  1. Arrows - 135.
  2. Plane(t) - 80
  3. Walker on the Globe - 70
  4. Fantasy Balloon - 60
I don't think there are any others close to this level (Edit: There are, see AleXxw's comment), so it looks like these are some of the most solid entries. Hope this helped, Nick1372 (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC) (Edited)
A simple vote count is worth nothing, Weighting could completely change the picture, and at this stage the only way to check weighting is to check every vote for eligibility, which is going to be a big job if not automated. Inspecting the page history does not help, as eligibility is listed for the combined A&B group, not the A group. For example, if no-one who qualifies for a vote through Wikivoyage has voted for Arrows, the total count for it is zero. There is also no indication of whether any given vote is a first, second or third choice, which also has a big effect on the final count. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:08, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
If we just count votes: you missed one globe with 100 and another globe with 165 names in the list. Best --AleXXw (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I missed those. :/ Anyway, I'm not totally convinced that either the weighting or the first/second/third will change the votes as drastically as people think. Also, I didn't mean that the current vote count was a precise estimate, (I honestly don't know why I said that about the finalists, I must have been out of it) just that it gave a general idea of the feelings of the users, which could have a correlation with the end game. Guessing is pretty useless anyway, as there's still voting time left and things could change. Nick1372 (talk) 02:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Order of votes counts, too. In the first tally, only first choices will be counted, which could significantly change the landscape. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Weighting[edit]

How will the weighting towards WikiVoyage contributers be carried out? Will those of us who have only recently started following the project have our votes discounted, or just have less voting power?Optimist on the run (talk) 11:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

  1. Logo selection procedure:
    except that if any submission has more than 50% of votes from Group B, the votes from Group B will be adjusted to equal the votes from Group A. This will eliminate from running any submissions that have no votes at any choice level from the Group A which is directly effected by the decision. If members of Group A have chosen these submissions as second or third choice, they will be retained for consideration until the runoff system is complete.
  2. Wikivoyage/Logo 2013:
    Wikivoyage contributors include anyone who has made 50 mainspace edits to Wikivoyage prior to May 31, 2013.
-- Rillke (talk) 13:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)