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Need list of most active patrolers


I would like to have some kind of list of the most active patrolers on croatian wikipedia, something like this list (users ordered by total number of edits).

Is this possible?

--Ante Perkovic 08:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Something like this ? Laaknor 11:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, thank yoo very much! Do you know where can I find all the options for this script? I see that one parameter is listType=30days. I would also like to see all-time score, score for last 7 days etc... --Ante Perkovic 13:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I've added "thisDay" (since midnight today), "30days" (last 30 days), "yesterday" (midnight to midnight yesterday), "7days" (midnight 7 days ago), and if you don't select anything, it gives since the first of current month. I'll try to add the options into the interface somehow, but haven't had much time to work on these scripts the last months due to work. If you'd like more funcionallity, please ask on user talk. Laaknor 14:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Error in title name for two articles on several Wikipedia languages

Hello folks, I found that the article in the English Wikipedia named Lucas-Lehmer test had no references and had the content for the Lucas primality test. After looking up on several Number Theory books it was clear the name for that page was wrong so I changed it to its current name: w:en:Lucas primality test. The real Lucas-Lehmer primality test article had the strange name Lucas-Lehmer test for Mersenne primes in order to disambiguate to the former (but incorrect) article. I changed the latter to w:en:Lucas–Lehmer primality test. I corrected the names for the English and Spanish Wikipedias. User Drini has been helping me with correcting the incoming links.

It appears that editors from many Wikipedias translated the article with the wrong name. The languages affected can be seen on the interwiki links that appear on w:en:Lucas primality test and w:en:Lucas–Lehmer primality test. I need people knowledgeable on these languages to change the names of the articles and the links that point to them. Thanks and best regards, Alpertron 02:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes and I can provide bibliographic references as well if needed that the "only-in-wikipedia-called" "lucas lehmer test" is known as "lucas test" and the "only-in-wikipedia-called" "lucas lehmer test for mersenne numbers" is know everywhere else as "lucas lehmer test". es:Drini 02:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The Interwiki_map is several months out of date.

Take a look at It appears that the last time anything was done to fix errors in the Interwiki_map was back in December, 2008. Is anyone actively updating the Interwiki_map? I'm asking for someone to fix the Comixpedia entry.

Please note that the page Interwiki map is only used as input for the maintenance script which actually updates the interwiki map. Running that script is done by sysadmins - you could post to wikitech-l or on Bugzilla to get them to run it.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 13:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Japanese SVG fonts

About SVG fonts, actually, Kochi font is not a free software font now. I think it should be uninstalled from the site. Instead of this, I think Ume font (梅フォント) is good for installing.

Which version of VL Gothic is installed to this site? VL Gothic is sometimes updated. Also this site's VL Gothic should be sometimes updated.--Widehawk 03:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Please write to mail:wikitech-l about this.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 16:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't much like mailing lists... Can I post it to Bugzilla?--Widehawk 19:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 13:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Self link feature

- HarryAlffa 19:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

A wikilink on a page which links to itself is rendered by Wikimedia in a <strong> tag with a CSS class attribute of class="selflink".

Should Mediawiki force this <strong> semantic markup on every wiki, and everywhere in an article?

I think the CSS class attribute of "selflink" is enough on its own.

Maximum flexibility would be achieved if this was rendered in a <span> tag with a CSS class attribute.

I would also propose changing the class attribute away from "selflink", because in en.Wikipedia myself, and a few people previously have tried to advocate use of the self link feature since it was introduced, but are all shot down in flames[1] [2] [3] [4]. It is obvious, from the talk pages, that this is because of ignorance & confusion of what this feature actually is. So it's use is actually banned in en.Wikipedia! A lot of the confusion stems from the class="selflink" attribute, so everyone refers to it as a self-link, and thinks of it as a hyperlink - even the HTML rendering!

I propose that the CSS attribute be renamed to ... anything which doesn't confuse users.

I think the self link feature was a great idea - a pleasingly, elegant solution to a user "error" turned in to a useful function - sadly under-utilised on en.Wikipedia.

I would propose, instead of "selflink", a CSS for first mention of the articles subject title, then a different CSS class attribute for any other:

  • <span class="firstMention">
  • <span class="articleTitle">

Which has a number of advantages, and more so if "self links" were used through-out an article.

Or at least a change to:

<span class="articleTitle">

The use should also be pushed in the standard Help files, where they warn not to use a self-link as a way to bold-face text - another source of the ban on Wikipedia I suspect. This is a great feature, and should be advertised as such. It follows the W3C's Separate Structure and Presentation paradigm, by giving semantic CSS instead of display formatting markup - a win, win!

This of course would break Wikipedia, but a few small changes in CSS would fix it, and in so doing the class attribute name-change will encourage its use as it was intended! - HarryAlffa 19:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Please make such feature requests on Bugzilla.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 13:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the pointer :) Have now done that! HarryAlffa 15:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

IRC Group Contacts rearrangements

Please see the following announcement regarding new IRC Group Contacts: IRC/Group Contacts/Noticeboard#Group Contacts Rearrangements. Discussion should take place on the talk page.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 13:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

How import my own mysql database in wiki?

I have table "authors" in my mysql database fields of table - family authors - biography

How i can make wiki from this table?

Technical questions should be addressed to the MediaWiki technical support. Happymelon 17:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

About License Update

I'm a sysop @ zhwiki and currently I'm dealing with the License Update. I have a question that, in the Terms of Use it said that when reusing the text, re-users should check the footnotes or the history. But I can't find any guideline that tell the editors how to place a notice in summary, or how to change the footer when needed. Can anyone tell me that if I want to add some CC-BY-SA only text to Wikipedia, what should I do? Thanks a lot.--Jimmy xu wrk 13:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

According Licensing update/Implementation, “There is no need for local administrators to take the update into their own hands, and such updates will be overridden by the official update process.”. --Dereckson 18:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

All wiki search engine

I do not know if this is the right place for this, but has it ever been proposed that an all wiki search engine be created? I think it would be a great idea. It could be put in the site, so that people can search for an article and get results in all wikis. This is a service I have always wanted and never found. All search engines that I have found are biased towards some language, even international versions of google and the like (for example I also think it would be symbolic of the linkage of all wikis. --3M 03:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Dropdown box with predefined and selectable items.

I am trying to add a dropdown box with a number of selectable entries to a template page.

The help and documentation doesn't mention dropdown boxes.

Can anyone help me out ?

Thanks in advance The preceding unsigned comment was added by ColmDelaney (talk • contribs) 19 June 2009.

Cologne blue skin and logout button

I have been using the skin for 5 years, now the right upper "LOG OUT" link does not work (it is not a link?) in any Wikipedia (tried,, It does not depend on the browser (tried Firefox, Opera). The source shows <! -- ERROR --> and no link. It stopped working during last few weeks. Fortunately, the link is doubled on the left side, but it is quite inconvenient to find it. I did not put it to Bugzilla, because the out-commented "error" shows that someone is probably dealing with the problem. But I was searching through Bugzilla and didn't find anything. Any ideas what to do? --Jaan513 17:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

GFDL 1.2-only images

While English Wikipedia has deprecated the files under GFDL 1.2-only permission, there are many projects (Commons and others) which still allow such files to be uploaded. The easiest way to handle these files is to encourage the uploader to switch the permission on his/her own image(s) from GFDL 1.2-only to GFDL 1.3/CC-BY-SA 3.0 (or both).

Please help us by going to Licensing update/Project Transitions and flag any projects that still have GFDL 1.2-only files. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for Permission (temporary status)

Hello. I'm here to know where can i make a Request for Permission (Temporary for Wikinews's Editors). Thanks! Vitorbraziledit msg 03:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

It depends which Wikinews. If they already have active bureaucrats, you should ask over on the project itself. If it does not, you could try asking on SR/P. Majorly talk 11:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
See also this discussion and steward's comment. – Innv | d | s: 11:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

IP address for only?

(Copied from w:en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical))

The owner of an ISP in Belarus sent an e-mail to OTRS asking for technical help. Although he charges a per-use fee to his subscribers, he wants to give traffic to for free. He tried to add the IP to his "free traffic list", but he found that all languages of Wikipedia are aliases for a single IP. He wants to know if there is a way to grant subscribers free access to only. (For OTRS users, this is ticket #2009062210015755.) Does anyone here know of a solution? Quadell 15:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Filter by domain not IP?  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 15:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
It looks like an OTRS volunteer wrote the guy back, essentially saying "I don't know". If you wanted to contact the user, it would be helpful. Quadell 13:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Creating new pages from Templates

I have set a number of Template pages and using {{subst:Template Name}} I am able to create new pages from my templates.

Is it possible to create a page which will allow Users to create new pages from pre-defined templates.

I was hoping that it would be possible to get the template names to appear in a dropdown. Users could select a template name and then hit a new page button thus creating a page from a template without using {{subst:Template Name}}.

Does anyone know if this is possible ?

Thanks in advance.

See mw:Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text. --- Kind regards, Melancholie 02:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Opting out of the licensing update

Hi everyone, Commons has now implemented a way to allow creators to opt their works out of the current licensing update. I think that such an idea runs against the foundation's intention and I could not find any mention of an opt-out policy on Licensing update/Implementation. Is such an opt-out procedure allowed? Regards, --ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 11:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

If you could provide a link to where this is or was discussed on Commons I am sure it would be appreciated. Adambro 13:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
A lot of the discussion can be found here. See also this discussion of proposed licensing tag template changes. Kaldari 18:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This is quite simple. We should not accept content only licensed under the GFDL. Where content is eligible for re-licensing it should be and if a contributor is unhappy with that then their content should be deleted. It may sound harsh but the reality is that the GFDL is a joke in terms of usability, we should only accept content where contributors are prepared to accept the spirit of free licensing, not just have a nodding acquaintance with the concept. Sure, we'd potentially loose a good deal of quality content by alienating some contributors but it would be a price worth paying in my view to maintain the spirit of the WMF projects. Far too many contributors are using the GFDL as a back-door into Wikipedia and the opportunities it offers to showcase their work. GFDL only should not be acceptable. We're not simply trying to create high profile websites like Wikipedia, we're supposed to be trying to create content which people can actually reuse. Adambro 14:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I think you should post this to the relevant discussion on Commons, this thread here is not about whether or not the GFDL is a sufficiently free license. I'd be happy if someone could answer my initial question: Is opting-out of the licensing update allowed by the foundation? If not, I think it's legally invalid. Regards, --ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 01:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Error while accessing wikipedia URL

Hi all,

In our project, each one of us used to have access to our wikipedia(customized only in logos and extensions allowed).Recently, one of our project member lost access to it. The eror message that he got is as follows.

Notice:Undefined index:standarf in D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes\skin.php on line 116.

Warning:Skin::require_once(D:\sites\Wikipedia\skins\.php)[function Skin-require-once] failed to open stream. No such file or directory in D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes\skin.php Fatal error: Skin::require_once()[function require]:Failed opening required 'D:\sites\Wikipedia\skins\.php' (include_path=D:\sites\Wikipedia;D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes;D:\sites\Wikipedia\languages;c:\php;c:\php\ext)in D:\sites\Wikipedia\includes\skin.php on line 122.

Please help me to solve this issue.

I would really appreciate if someone could provide any inputs on this error.

Thanks in advance. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ramya r (talk • contribs) 29 June 2009.

Two requests for chr.wiktionary

Hi, could anybody help with these two requests: Protection and Main page semi-protection & KᎠᎦᎵ, please? The chr.wiktionary admin, Cherokeekid, does not seem to have been around since the beginning of 2007 and it would be nice if those two issues could be solved. Thanks -- 23:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. Laaknor 07:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Laaknor -- 09:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC) (aka