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[edit] About Wikiversity

Hello. Sorry to write in English, but I only know English and French :)

You have expressed interest in the Wikiversity project, so here is some news about the project. English and German language Wikiversities are now open. Wikiversity Beta is a global platform aiming at coordinating Wikiversity projects in several languages. This multilingual coordination intends to deal with Wikiversity's mission and general guidelines of the project's scope (for example, about original research). Wikiversity Beta is also a place where Wikiversity projects which don't have a subdomain yet can develop. If you intend to open or join a future Wikiversity project, you are encouraged to take part in discussions on Beta, since those discussions are going to concern all Wikiversity projects.

You will find more information in Wikiversity Beta FAQ. You can also take a look at the reports to get some news from Wikiversity projects in all languages. Feel free to ask your questions at Wikiversity:Babel, or ask me.

I hope you will enjoy the Wikiversity experience :)

guillom 15:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you - English is very fine with me. --Purodha Blissenbach 19:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Palatinate German

Hello Purodha. I see you tried to place Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Palatinate German on the main page (though you used the wrong name). That request is currently closed; where you trying to re-open discussion? —{admin} Pathoschild 03:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - I just a second after your question saved the request. I was wondering to follow the naming of the old request or follow the suggestion of the guiding page verbatim. Apparently I did it wrong. I am not so much attempting to spur a new discussion but to suggest the proposers and supporters to go for a test drive in the Wikipedia Incubator, so as to see the real support there is. (Btw., as a potential reader, I want it to succeed and do well as well, egoistic me :-) --Purodha Blissenbach 03:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV samples?

Hi Cool Cat,
in Talk:Requests_for_new_languages you write: Furthermore, some existing language-wikis content seem to be not inline with WP:NPOV which is a non-negotiable policy to my knowlege. Do you have samples handy? If you'd rather not reply publicly, send me e-mail. If you don't care, don't do anything :-) I am only curious. Thank you. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish wikipedia (Ku.wikipedia) inquiry --Cat out 08:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your comment here

...I've put some replies for you there. Hope this helps with clarifying things. Yury Tarasievich 16:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bot flag on pms

Done :) Sorry for being a bit slow... this is the reason :) --Bèrto 'd Sèra 23:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations to all of you! You must be having a grat and intense time. Beautiful pictures! You weren't slow, btw. Thank you! --Purodha Blissenbach 01:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interesse?

Nabend Purodha,
ich habe vor kurzem das Übersetzungsteam für Englisch-Deutsch / Deutsch-Englisch Übersetzungen gegründet, und nun wollte ich dich, da du dich hier kategorisiert hast, einladen daran teilzunehmen. Würde mich auf eine Zusammenarbeit freuen! Grüße — Manecke 22:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Language box translations

Hello Purodha. I've just finished creating the categories and expanding the Wikipedia articles for your language abilities. I noticed that you're the only user on Meta listed for many of the languages; if you have time, please translate the template into those languages. You can do so by following the "Translate this template!" links in the language boxes on your user pages. Thanks. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 15:44:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] From your user page

"These lables are indicating the language skills of user Purodha, approximately:" I think it is "labels" rather than "lables" :), so that makes you en 2.9999 not en 3. :) I did a bunch of your bot requests yesterday and should be able to get to more of them today if no one else does. Is it typical for the steward to leave a confirming notice on the bot request page on the local wiki, or for the bot requesting user? I've seen it done both ways, as well as no acknowledgement at all, and I thought you might know. You can answer here, I'll watch. Thanks for your help on so many wikis. ++Lar: t/c 16:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I'll repair the 'Lables - thank you!
  • I've seen it either way, too, with confirmations being the less common case. As for me, there is no feedback needed anyways, since I regularly check the user groups/rights of my bots anyways, see the sta links in the list towards the end of the page w:ksh:Metmaacher:Purbo_T#alll. I also follow the Requests for bot status, of course. --Purodha Blissenbach 19:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

Requests for permissions/Approved temporary#Purodha@ as,bo,dz,gu,ne,or wikipedias. Wurde irgendwie übersehen, die Anfrage. Gruß, --Thogo (talk) 17:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Kein Problem, hat ja keine besondere Eile. Danke! --Purodha Blissenbach 11:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Klingon (tlh) wiktionary in pywikipediabot interwiki.py script

Hallo Purodha, ich wuerde gerne Deine Aufmerksamkeit auf das hier lenken, falls Du darueber nicht sowieso bereits informiert bist. Leider verlinken die Bots seit einiger Zeit auch zu tlh, doch die Links erscheinen nicht links sondern mitten im Eintrag. Vielleicht faellt Dir eine (realisierbare/schnelle) Lösung ein, vielen Dank im Voraus und lG. --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| ∇ 17:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and no. I came across a tlh issue just few days ago, but with the Wikipedia family, it seems to be solved, these links are being ignored, so it seems, when, and only when, interwiki links are being saved. They are read, leading to nothing to be followed, since the tlh Wikipedia is indeed closed and has no accessible pages. I wasn't aware that, there is a tlh Wiktionary.
  • Allerdings fällt mir erst mal auch keine wirklich bessere Lösung ein, als möglichst bald die family files für das klingonische Wikitionary anzupassen, um das Problem zu lösen. Ich habe keinen svn Zugang beim pywikipediabot, also kann ich das nicht machen.
  • Ein anderer, allerdings ziemlich teurer Weg, könnte natürlich sein, mit replace.py alle solchen Links auf die klingonische Ausgabe zu löschen. Wenn sie weg sind, können sie auch nicht mehr bearbeitet werden. Das ist etwas gefährlich, weil man natürlich nicht alle Vorkommnisse von Zeichenketten, die die regular expression /\[\[tlh:[^]]+\]\]/ identifiziert, einfach löschen kann, man darf das z. B. nur außerhalb von <nowiki>...</nowiki> -Klammern tun.
Schöne Grüße --Purodha Blissenbach 22:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Das klingt schonmal interessant, SVN-Zugang, weiszt Du vielleicht an wen man sich da wenden muss, vielen Dank fuer Deine Antwort, lG. --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| ∇ 22:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Ja, man braucht einen account bei Sourceforge, darüber wendet man sich per lokaler e-mail an einen der oder die Projektadministatoren (a_engels, hooft, valhallasw, wikipedian, yurochek) von pywikipediabot und legt dar, warum man einen svn-Zugang will, dafür qualifiziert und vertrauenswürdig ist. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Danke, ich werde mich mal an Andre Engels wenden und ihm das Problem erklaeren, einen Zugang benötige ich ja hoffentlich dafuer nicht. LG. --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| ∇ 15:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Language code ksh Question

Hi Pathoschild, there is a difference between ISO 639 meaning, and current use of language code ksh in the wmf projects.

ISO 639-2 does not define ksh although per its definition, it should, request(s) are pending and being postponed since 2005. ISO 639-3 defines ksh as denotating the specific language Kölsch, which IS0 639-2 currently lists under gem (other Germanic languages)

Kölsch is one language of a group called Ripuarian, or francique ripuaire, or in older German literature, sometimes (Nothern) Central Franconian (Mittelfränkisch). Kölsch is both a most prominent Ripuarian language, and the most spoken single one, accounting for 1/5 to 1/4 of all Ripuarian speakers. There are several dozen, or more than 100, clearly distinct Ripuarian languages. There is no collective ISO code for Ripuarian languages, as opposed to neighboring pfl , li / lim , wep , nds , which all are collective codes for several language varieties.

Wmf projects use ksh (for the time being) as a collective code for all Ripuarian varieties. This was a debated ad-hoc decision made during the process of the creation of the Wikipedia of Ripuarian languages. Kölsch speakers kind of 'invited' the other Ripuarians :-) A decision had to be made since ISO (the library of congress) was procrastinating the code assignment.

Babel templates in various wikis, including Omegawiki vary between Kölsch, and some, usually foggy, wordings trying to include related languages, and expressedly Ripuarian.

My opinion, now, is to follow ISO 639 rather than twisting its meaning. How to deal with the current lack of an ISO code for the collection of Ripuarian languages, or as a minority of linguists likely see it, a Ripuarian macrolanguage? (1) bug ISO to assign a code, and (2) meanwhile use a code of the q?? series assigned for private/local use, or use a gem-??? code for Ripuarian in the Babel system, and almost everywhere else. Only do not alter the subdomain and interwiki code for the Ripuarian Wikipedia, unless ISO has assigned a code. Thereafter, switch to that kode, and keep ksh as a redirect both for interwiki links and the subdomain, because ksh is a subset of "all Ripuarian".

We could, or possibly should, ask for advice from the language subcommitee for this subject matter. I believe them to approximately share my view.

Greetings. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry for the delayed response; I somehow didn't notice your comment earlier. There are two distinct systems under discussion here.
The first is subdomain naming, which is subject to language subcommittee decision. The subcommittee's policy is to use a strictly applicable ISO 639 code, so that ksh subdomains would normally be reserved for Kölsch (and not allowed for generic Ripuarian wikis). However, future Ripuarian wikis might be approved with the ksh subdomain to maintain consistency with the existing projects, because the subcommittee does not have jurisdiction over existing wikis. I'm not entirely sure which course of action would be followed (approving only Kölsch or allowing all Ripuarian under ksh), because there is no equivalent precedent. If a code were assigned for Ripuarian languages, the subcommittee would likely recommend renaming the subdomains.
The second is the babel template system (and the user language system on MetaWiki), which is not subject to subcommittee decision. The current guidelines for the user language system on MetaWiki discourage misuse of ISO 639 codes, and recommend either a subtag language code (like {{user language|gem-rip|N}}) or the full name (like {{user language|ripuarian|N}}). As far as I know, there are no relevant guidelines for the babel template system on other wikis.
I agree that asking the ISO 639-3 registration authority for a code covering Ripuarian languages is the best solution. The organization managing ISO 639-3 is different from the one that managed ISO 639-2, so you may have a more positive response to your request. For information on requesting a code, see ISO 639-3 Change Management. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:27:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User language box translation

Hello Purodha. Thank you very much for translating {{user language}}. The template has recently been changed to add two new levels, 0 and 4 (see detailed descriptions). Please update Template:User language/ksh:

  • 0: this user cannot read or write Ripoarisch.
  • 4: this user can contribute at a near-native level in Ripoarisch.

—{admin} Pathoschild 23:25:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] An account for the lfn wiki

Hello, Purodha.

I read your comment at the wiki request for lfn that you asked for an account. I apparently did not get that email! If you still want to join us, you are welcome. All I need is the name you wish to use for you id and a password.

Best wishes, George Boeree 21:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Review

Can you look at these changes made by an IP to your translation? If they're good, then fine... but they're a little big (and go in places that need smaller strings). I'm also not sure if it's an okay update. :-) Thanks Cbrown1023 talk 02:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ksh wiki

How is it possible :)?

good: 10032 total: 508246 edits: 1135239

best regards Przykuta 18:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

It is as it is, what could I say about it?
There are some 999x real Articles, some 50 to 90 stub articles or candidates for deletions or mergers. There are some 3000+ diambiguations. There are almost 5000 category pages. There are several 1000 templates. A huge percentage of the remaining 475000 total are redirects (of spelling variants or dialectal variants - we have some 120+ lexically and gramatically distinct dialects in the group of Ripuarian languages, using a sum of at least 5 spelling systems, so you have to have to estimate an average of about 100 variant redirects per real article which is by far not reached)
Greetings --Purodha Blissenbach 03:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

hmm, interesting :) Przykuta 22:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] pnt interwiki

Hi! Send me an email if you'd like help trouble-shooting the "framework". The code is extremely poor: it simply assumes the reply over the net from the API is well-formed and complete, and if not, just crashes. It would be fairly simple to add a line or two that would at least tell us what is going on. Best, Robert Ullmann 11:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay; in wikipedia.py look for the allpages routine, you will find code like this:

            text = self.getUrl(api_url)

            soup = BeautifulSoup(text,
                                 convertEntities=BeautifulSoup.HTML_ENTITIES)

            for p in soup.api.query.allpages:
                yield Page(self, p['title'])

Notice it simply assumes the API return is correct. Not a single check. Nothing. Really crappy code. Ah well. Do this: (replacing the last two lines)

            try:
                for p in soup.api.query.allpages:
                    yield Page(self, p['title'])
            except Exception:
                output(text)
                break # and stop iteration

That will have no effect on ordinary operation (no failures), but dump out the API return on a failure so we can see what is going on. You can email it to me or whatever. best, Robert Ullmann 08:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, FYI: my "allpages" code, which I wrote before the framework was using the API, reads the pnt.wp just fine. So I don't think there is any server-side issue. Robert Ullmann 08:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Here we go:

Thu Apr  2 21:35:34 UTC 2009
python ./interwiki.py -v -lang:pnt -start:! -count:4
Checked for running processes. 1 processes currently running, including the current process.
Pywikipediabot  (r6439 (wikipedia.py), Feb 24 2009, 21:48:26)
Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jan  4 2009, 21:59:32) 
[GCC 4.3.2]
Retrieving mediawiki messages from Special:Allmessages
WARNING: No character set found.
NOTE: Number of pages queued is 0, trying to add 60 more.
<?xml version="1.0"?><api><error code="aplimit" info="aplimit may not be over 500 (set to 5000) for users" /></api>
NOTE: Nothing left to do
$

Now, its obvious, why I expreienced this for each new wiki during the last months - bots cannot use the api before they have a bot flag. Great! --Purodha Blissenbach 21:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Having set the variable special_page-limit = 500 in user-config.py, the program works. Why the hell is the parameter -count:4 not used? --Purodha Blissenbach 21:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

No, you simply can't get as many results. Bots and sysops have increased query limits, but you can still get results if you're not a bot.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 21:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Generally, of course. Only the bot framework isn't content with less, it rather ignores 500, and stops on an informational error message. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The default value for special_page_limit is 500 so it works with or w/o the bot flag; I rather suspect you'd (quite reasonably) increased it some time and then the code was very unhelpful when it tripped over the limit later on a new wiki? I think the reason it isn't using "count=4" is that it might need to look at a lot of page titles to find 4 to work on? (I'm not sure of the exact semantics of the count parameter.) But there you go: problem found. Karibu sana! Robert Ullmann 09:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you a lot for your help. I believe "Karibu sana!" says something like: Here you have it, go along anf fix it", which I am going to do. --Purodha Blissenbach 08:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Board elections/Results

Hey Purodha, you translated Board elections/2009/Results/ksh but there was a small change in the source. The page should now read "The winners are X, X, and X" instead of "The winner is X". Would you mind making that tiny change? Thanks for translating! Cbrown1023 talk 18:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Warning3a

No, it doesn't have to be translated. It will hopefully only be there another matter of hours. Please do not set up intricate translation systems for something which will be redundant come a few hours time. Please consider this a directive of the Election Committee should you question whether I have the authority to make such a judgement on the issue. Daniel (talk) 10:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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