Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election

Anywhere on Earth

Thank you for organising this. I probably should have asked this during the regular election, but why are there competing timing standards in a single timeline (end of the day, anywhere on earth, and UTC)? Sdrqaz (talk) 02:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That's a good question, we copypasted the table from the previuos election and did not notice that. But I think that it makes sense to leave a more user friendly time indication that is clear to everyone without the need for time zone calculations for the candidatures, on the other hand securepoll needs a precise moment to be closed. --Civvì (talk) 06:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates Barkeep49 (talk) 14:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC) Can we please, please either stop using this time designation, or add in brackets afterward the equivalent UTC time, which is UTC-12? The international standard for time is UTC, and it would sure be nice to use that as our standard, too. I'm not sure why there is this idea that setting a deadline of 2359 hours on the Howland Islands is an improvement over a deadline of 2359 UTC, but it is still an actual single point in time. Risker (talk) 07:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That's easily fixed, that would be July 20, 2024 12 UTC instead of July 19, 2024, End of Day, Anywhere on Earth, is that right? (I love AoE because I'm not that good in timezones math...:-D) --Civvì (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Regional Seats and Home Wiki limitations

In the U4C main elections earlier this year, the Regional seats could be taken by any candidate but any Community at large seats were restricted such that candidates with the same home wiki as two other elected candidates could not win. Is that still in effect for the special elections/how exactly is the "no more than two members from the same wiki" enforced?

Adjacently, could you tell us how exactly the allocation is done? Last time all the regional seats were filled first (in order of vote counts) followed by Community at large. Is that the same this time? Soni (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The home wiki rule is set by the Charter. We have published the limitation that some regional seats are already taken and that the home wiki rule limits candidacies. Ineligible candidates will probably be sorted out by the Elections Committee and WMF, as before. The home wiki is defined by the candidates themselves. The allocation is not changed and will be done by the Election Committee again. The background is that the two-year-seats are filled first, the one-year-seats afterwards. This can be changed in the next election after this special election, as all seats will then have a two year term. --Ghilt (talk) 09:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

So to clarify, because the U4C already has 2 candidates from English Wikipedia, German Wikipedia, and Italian Wikipedia already seated, candidates from those wikis cannot apply even if the candidate is applying for a "regional" seat? Soni (talk) 10:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm very sad to say that this is correct. But only if you define your home wiki as en.wp, de.wp or it.wp in this election. -- Ghilt (talk) 10:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

In that case, I would request the "home wiki" lists being clearly added to U4C page as well as a list of already seated members to the special elections page.

If I understand correctly, this also means that if at least one candidate from the Arabic Wikipedia is selected for a "regional seat", nobody from that wiki can be elected to Community at Large, correct? Soni (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the proposals: the home wikis of current members, the home wiki rule and the list of current members were added. If only one from a home wiki was elected, a second can run for a seat in the special election. And depending on which of the seats was already taken, the other will be either regional or community-at-large. Ghilt (talk) 12:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

It's probably not important for this specific case, as the user has been marked as ineligible [1], but just in case there are similar cases in the future: Are candidates allowed to change their home wiki in order to escape the two candidate per home wiki limit?
The user in question has made 90% of their global edits at enwiki [2] and was a U4C candidate running as an enwiki member at the last election [3] yet they decided to run as a metawiki candidate for this special election three months later [4]. --Johannnes89 (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know there isn't a precise definition of "home wiki" (perhaps we should think about establishing criteria), I think we should consider the wiki where a user has more userrights and/or more edits so personally I do not think that changing homewiki to circumvent this limit should be allowed. Imho (but I know this is probably too stringent) I would also not allow Meta as home wiki being a coordination project and not a content or technical project. Civvì (talk) 19:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Translation subpages

Currently, the translation subpages of Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates with the language codes following the title are shown together with the candidate subpages. Is there any way to hide them? –MrBenjo (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps using <noinclude> in the translated pages? (or includeonly in the candidates pages?) --Civvì (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixed it with translate-hidetranslations=1. –MrBenjo (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

submit your candidate page does not work

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2FCandidates%2FPreload&editintro=Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2FCandidates%2FEditintro&title=Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2F2024+Special+Election%2FCandidates%2F%5Busername%5D&create=Click+here+to+submit+your+candidacy returns an error message - contains invalid characters: "[". Yger (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yger you want to remove the [ from the box. So you'd want to fill in Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates/Yger into that box not ...Candidates/[Yger]. Hope that helps. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

no, does not help Yger (talk) 19:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yger you need to write your username instead of [username] in the field on top of the button. The text in that field should be Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates/Yger --Civvì (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

OK Yger (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Will there be a "General Discussion" section?

I believe that a discussion section is one of the best ways for a community to learn about the candidates. Other community members can discuss the candidates, instead of everyone having to go through all info on their own. It's already there in non Securepoll elections (as you can discuss while you !vote) but here would also be a good idea. Is that something we might have this Special Elections.

Alternatively, I think a "list of guides" being prominent somewhere would also do a similar thing. Community members who are well informed can put their opinions on individual "guides" and others can follow them and make their own opinions on candidates. Soni (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

We already thought about both and are working on adding a comments section to the questions page and on the creation of a voting guide, we would be glad to link voting guides done by other users. We also worked on a way to transclude each individual comments and question section in the candidates page (and so far it seems to work). :-) Civvì (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks for making this change! Perhaps there could be a (lightly moderated) section linking to candidate guides at the top of the questions page? I say lightly moderated to give the U4C the discretion to remove particularly egregious ones if they happen. – Ajraddatz (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Here's a first guide and we are currently discussing from which page(s) to link to it. Ghilt (talk) 14:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Time involvement & requirements

Hi there, I hope you are doing well! I was reviewing the current article since the date of debut is July 10, and I was curious about some of the specifics implication relative to time involvement each week. I've read almost the entire publication, however, I was not able to find additional details vis-a-vis time/hrs commitment-week/month and maybe we could use a time indicator or something similar.

I have to say it, I'm overfeed with Wikipedia and to me, I consider this as an amazing project to work on and learn about quite interesting subjects. Requirements to apply as board member or representant for North America, Canada, USA, is limited to a certain minimal value of 500 edits and a period of activity that is > 365 days. While reading further, I understood that flexibility and inclusivity is also or was part of the study that took place prior to or during initial revision and was later include, if I read correctly, in 2023.

From there my question about time/hrs commitment, as I am already contributing and I have a vast amount of data to gather for my future research, It could be a good idea for me and to represent my country Canada and our brother's from the south, the USA.

If you ask about my past experience or current, I am currently a Steward in a web3 DAO since more than 2 years, experimenting with proposal, governance, policies and strategic operations. I am also member of MetaGov, which is an open initiative, and I encourage you to connect with us if you have any interest in political science, socio economics, decentralized network's (similar as here ♥) or simply want to coordinate.

PS: If you look my edit, in my debut as a contributor, my English was, not as good as is it now. My first language is French and I pretty much went to the next level during the last 2-3 years.

Wish you a wonderful evening,

Best regards 01:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC) SirlupinwatsonIII (talk) 01:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi SirlupinwatsonIII, we cannot say yet how much time is needed, because the U4C (this is not the board election) is being set up for the first time. Currently, we are preparing the pages for the special election and filling our U4C wiki, but the time currently invested is not representative for the next phase. The candidates' requirements are listed here, including a recommendation what it typically needs to get elected. --Ghilt (talk) 09:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey there! Thanks for the reply, really appreciate it! I see about the time commitment, I will wait to see if there are update or more details. Would you mind to let me know any advice on acceptance rate vs accountability*edit made? Is there any theorem or weight function with metrics other than the contributions you do as updating an article, or removing speculation/opinion that add to your account as a references for this process? I've seen the data analytics page where I can view my contributions, but it does not give me insights whereas I could potentially get better access or deppen my contributions. I think it could be a great indication of involvment and might add reach value torward my goals.

Have a wonderful day! SirlupinwatsonIII (talk) 13:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Here are two out of several tools on your user statistics ([5], [6]). On the front page, it is recommended: "Please note that all volunteers who meet the minimum requirements are eligible to run. Successful candidates so far have had more than 5000 edits (across all projects) and hold adminship (or other advanced permissions) on a project." So one question is about when a user is eligible to run as a candidate and the other question is what the community expect of a candidate. Ghilt (talk) 13:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Earlier election result

Moved from Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024 Special Election/Candidates guide --Civvì (talk) 19:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Would it be unfair stating the result in earlier elections (with percentage)? I find at least three that were up in last election, with for me revealing result. Yger (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Yger, the short answer is yes. Each election is its own story. On top, the results of last time were probably systematically biased against the election per se, as even the best results were unusually low. Presenting the previous biased results may cause a bias in voters. So, to avoid a confounding error in voters and framing by us, we will not state the results of the previous election. --Ghilt (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

This might be a good thing to note in an individual user guide, as opposed to the "official" candidate's guide. – Ajraddatz (talk) 14:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I've added this to mine. I get why it might not be well suited to put in an official guide, but it's relevant information nonetheless. Courtesy link: User:Giraffer/2024 U4C special election guide. Giraffer (talk) 03:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Your guide has been added to the candidates page. --Ghilt (talk) 14:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot these are extremely helpful (looking at the three together) Yger (talk) 16:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Regional seat based guide

I wondered about the candidates for every regional seat and made some guide: User:Der-Wir-Ing/2024 U4C special election - Regional seat based guide

It somewhat complements the existing guides by a different perspective. Der-Wir-Ing ("DWI") talk 10:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

And it has been added to the candidates page. --Ghilt (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Candidate information needs to be easily accessible

I attempted to vote in the previous election, but I found it extremely difficult to locate the page where all the candidates presented themselves. In the end I closed the vote page without voting, because I did not have time to search for the information I needed to make an informed vote.

When the communications for this election are set up, it is critical that information about the candidates (their presentation and answers to questions) can be easily found. Ideally all candidates' introductions of themselves would be compiled onto one long page, which is clearly and obviously linked from (a) the page that you reach by clicking the voting CentralNotice, and (b) the vote page itself on vote.wikimedia.org.

Another problem is that the navigation links along the top of this page (Policy, Enforcement Guidelines, ...) are a general set of UCoC navigation links, not specific to this election - nor even to the U4C. Super confusing for a first time visitor. This, that and the other (talk) 02:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)