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Welcome to Meta![edit]

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Temporary rights removed[edit]

Hello, please note that I've just removed the rights which have been temporarily assigned to your account here on meta. Regards, -Barras talk 14:18, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Interface editor and @media[edit]

Hi Jon. Further to your commentary in Wikitech re problem styles, and Dan's reply. We should be looking to get you to apply for the global interface editor right via SRGP, and it is one that I will shepherd through promptly. That will give you the right to edit templates whether protected or not, and look to any really problematic common.js/css files across the system. I think that problematic styles occur through ignorance, not design. You talk about scalability, so my suggestion is to work with Guillaume to educate to remove some of the cluelessness of the really important aspects through the newsletter and the ambassadors mailing list. For example you mentioned @media, and I just went "huh" as it is stuff from which I have shied away as the help pages didn't help (me), and time is precious, and learning that from first principles isn't high on my agenda. Even look to prepare a couple of really good examples of styles, and some examples of crap, so that the wikis can learn, and implement. It also becomes somewhere that others can point people to, or use as their model, especially others with the interface right. Anyway, my thoughts for you to do with as you please.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this billinghurst! I'm just happy to see some movement. We've got a long road ahead. I think a good first step is trying to document what is out there and how often templates get used. Does this exist? Jdlrobson (talk) 17:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Meh! There is nothing universal. Thoughts are on what we need initially are some tools on Labs, and maybe @MZMcBride: can contribute 20c worth of thoughts
  • Template usage counters by community (weekly dump?)

    There being no current means, of which I am aware, for wikis to get a ready idea of which templates are in use, and the count of use

  • Ready list of the problematic styles, or usage of styles, and preferred alternatives
    • then to find such problematic usage in Mediawiki: ns files xwiki and list them
    • suggested means of approach needs to be positive and solution focused … "here is how to do what you want and better" rather than "this is very bad that you are using this style in this way"
Once we have of the generic guidance of here are some tools, and here are some problems then using Guillame/ambassadors, and general massmessage, we can look to scope communications to lead them away from the dark side. I still would like to see something better for @media as it still defeats me, and my css-mediocrity.
I am aware that the conversation onlist afterwards talked further about use of inline styles, and to me it then became WP-centric, and not mindful to something like WSes which requires inline styles if it is to replicate book presentations. Be that title pages, specific fonts, or Tables of Contents, etc. So there needs to be clarity on what is the specific problem, what to avoid, and clearly what is preferred and why. Though of course WSes for mobile are less for editing, and maybe more targeted as Epub derived output. [Hope this makes sense, it is all pre-coffee]  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Special:UserProfile, where was it discussed with the communities?[edit]

This strange "feature" Special:UserProfile, that is anything but a profile but some half-baked conglomerate of more-or-less useful details about the last actions by and towards the user, has to have been extensively discussed in the communities before implementation, as a profile is a community feature, not something implemented top-down by some disconnected folks @WMF. As you said in this gerrit ticket:

I think this is a bit of yet another overreaction (i mean this feature has been live for 2 years why the hoo ha now? Also we can't just remove stuff on whims we should be more days driven otherwise our projects are going to end up as the site that never changes and nobody edits.

It may have been live for 2 years, but obviously was not properly community vetted, as is a must for stuff like this, and nobody could up to now point me to the discussions that took place when this was implemented, there must be at least some in the main WP, like enWP, deWP, commons and of course here at meta. Can you please point me to this discussions? The current "feature" is something completely futile: It's everything but a profile, it sometimes shows very inappropriate pictures, it's just some facebook-wannabe nonsense without any merit. If the proper profiles, i.e. the user pages, are not suitable for mobile, imlpement something lean and user defined for mobile, and discuss it with the relevant people, that's the communities of the wikiverse and nobody else. A quick'n'dirty solution will be the implementation of the gerrit ticket, all negative outcome from this is no argument, it's just something the implementers should have thought about before they implemented such a "feature" without consent. ♫ Sänger - Talk - superputsch must go 10:41, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

P.S.: As a service the current discussions: @Lila's and @German Kurier.

Thank you![edit]

Hi Jon,
Thank you for your edit on Community Capacity Development landing page. I didn't know class="mobile-width-reset" before. I came in to steal my own markup and found it. Awesome! María (WMF) (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for Phabricator tagging[edit]

Thanks for phabricator:T76945#3235561, I like the move towards subprojects which makes the Reading Web/MobileFrontend components less confusing. :) --Nemo 08:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)