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Meta-Wiki has a small active community. When a normal user requires the assistance of an [[<tvar|sysop>Special:MyLanguage/Meta:Administrators</>|administrator]] or [[<tvar|bureaucrat>Special:MyLanguage/Meta:Bureaucrats</>|bureaucrat]] for some particular task, it is not always easy to find one. This page helps users find one when they need one; asking specific admins directly via their talk pages is one way to elicit a fast response. It is only for assistance required at Meta-Wiki, help for other wikis needs to be requested at those wikis.

  • Before posting to this page, make sure your comment doesn't belong at one of these specific request pages:</translate>
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[[<tvar|rfa>Meta:Requests for adminship</>|Requests for (translation/central notice/interface) adminship]] on this Meta-Wiki</translate>

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[[<tvar|rfcu>Meta:Requests for CheckUser information</>|Requests for CheckUser information]] on this Meta-Wiki</translate>

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[[<tvar|os>Meta:Oversighters</>|Requests for oversight of edits]] on this Meta-Wiki</translate>

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To report [[<tvar|vandalism>Special:MyLanguage/Meta:Vandalism</>|vandalism]] on Meta: please click [<tvar

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<translate> Please find answered requests in the [[<tvar|archives>Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat/Archives</>|archives]] ([[<tvar|current>Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat/Archives/2024-05</>|this month]]).</translate>

Https security compromised by global message

Hi,

The current and future global notice messages visible on all wikimedia project seems to compromise the HTTPS security because of some URL using the http: prefix (See bugzilla:31446).

Can anyone remove the http: prefix from all messages in order to use protocol relative URL ?

--DavidL 10:42, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I understood it correctly, someone should remove every http: and https: occurrency from the MediaWiki namespace, and protocol-relative URLs would always work. If it's confirmed to work, someone should just run a bot for it. I thought Roan was going to do it? Nemo 09:08, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it should be removed from all messages ; I was thinking first about Special:NoticeTemplate where these messages are visibles on multiple projects, so HTTPS security is compromised everywhere.
It is OK to use protocol relative URL because now http and https Wikimedia servers are the same:
  • upload.wikimedia.org
  • meta.wikimedia.org
  • wikimediafoundation.org
  • bits.wikimedia.org
...
But http: prefix should be kept only for links to other servers if no https equivalent exist (links do not compromise HTTPS security) :
  • wikimedia.limequery.org (https certificate has wrong site: *.limequery.com)
--DavidL 11:27, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Using bot is not necessary for Special:NoticeTemplate. Removing http: can be done manually.
--DavidL 11:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done I've made all former http links in MediaWiki namespace protocol-relative (4957 edits...), this should fix it everywhere. Let us know if there's any problem. This is the pywikipediabot fix I used, basically copying Roan's regexes and making them even slower. ;-)

Code
    'https': {
        'regex': True,
        'msg': {
               'it':u'Bot: [[WMFblog:2011/10/03/native-https-support-enabled-for-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/|Protocol-relative URLs]] per https://meta.wikimedia.org/?oldid=3015241#Https_security_compromised_by_global_message.'
              },
        'replacements': [
            (u"http://wik(ipedia|inews|isource|ibooks|iquote|iversity|tionary|imedia)\.org/",                  ur"//wik\1.org/"),
            (u"http://([^@:/]+\.)wik(ipedia|inews|isource|ibooks|iquote|iversity|tionary|imedia)\.org/",                  ur"//\1wik\2.org/"),
            (u"http://www\.mediawiki\.org/",                  ur"//www.mediawiki.org/"),
            (u"http://www\.wikimediafoundation\.org/",         ur"//www.wikimediafoundation.org/"),
            (u"http://mediawiki\.org/",                  ur"//mediawiki.org/"),
            (u"http://wikimediafoundation\.org/",         ur"//wikimediafoundation.org/"),
        ],
        'exceptions': {
			'inside': [
				r'http://(dumps|download|svn|noc|prototype|etherpad|stats)\.wikimedia\.org',
				r'http://(static|download|m)\.wikipedia\.org',
				r'http://[^@:/]+\.m\.wikipedia\.org',
			],
		}
    },

Nemo 17:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ངག་དབང་བསོད་ནམས།

Our this respected user has created many pages in Tibetan language but all of them were deleted because rest of us failed to understand the contents and purposes of them. Both administrators and other users asked him many times to explain a) what were those, and b) why they should be on Meta, but unfortunately he never talks. He also modified comments of other users (translating the signature) and he was warned for that. In 18 August 2011, I blocked him for 1 day because he was continuing with creating those off-topic pages (as it seemed). Today I have deleted another newly created pages (that one was also in Tibetan). Now, I cannot decide what to do exactly. We can block him indefinitely, but maybe he wants to be useful by translating something in Tibetan which we do not understand. On the other hand it is his duty to explain his edits. Please help by sharing your thoughts. Thank you. — [ Tanvir | Talk ] 03:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree we can't block if we're not sure if it's vandalism/disruptive. Nobody else that can check the Tibetan? Savhñ 09:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly I see no one here. :/ — [ Tanvir | Talk ] 10:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Would be worth a try to ask at bo:Wikipedia:Community Portal. Sadly, no online translator I've found can make the slightest headway with Tibetian. Courcelles 20:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seems bo:User:Beaukarpo is very active --Bencmq 20:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion request in own userspace

Seems the {{delete}} template doesn't work on a .js page. Can a sysop delete User:CharlieEchoTango/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js? Thank you. [[CharlieEchoTango]] 20:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick. Thanks --[[CharlieEchoTango]] 20:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict) Done, deleted. Greetings, Savhñ 20:27, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For your information, yes the template does work on .js pages as well. -- Quentinv57 (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move of two move protected pages

The move protection should perhaps be removed. -- とある白い猫 chi? 21:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Was there any discussion or consensus regarding this? Tiptoety talk 06:25, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe such a thing is necessary on matters concerning the meta main page as there is little interest to the point where most of the main pages were outdated by several years before the unification efforts. You can observe this on Talk:Main Page where replies are scarce. A comment posted there typically gets ignored. This is part of the general unification of the main page. Only two pages listed above remain to be moved.
Do you have an actual objection because this is the first time on meta I have observed someone looking for discussion or consensus regarding page moves. The absence of a "requests for page move" is for a reason.
-- とある白い猫 chi? 07:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict) No there wasn't. I have asked the user not to proceed with these changes on IRC and was ignored, then I was told he couldn't stop anymore because everything was done, with a smiley. When asked if there was consensus for the move, he said he didn't bother to ask, as nobody "cared about the main page" (Text is mine, as I'm not publicly posting the logs of IRC). Later on, when asking any admin on IRC to move these pages, he didn't provide a reason for the move, and informed me he would ignore me permanently on IRC, when I asked him for a reason. In my opinion, this user tries to solve problems that don't exist, causing a mess in Recent Changes and IRC. Savhñ 08:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Have you posted something to my talk page? Have you posted something to the talk pages of any of the involved templates? In fact have you posted anything on the wiki regarding the changes? You are under the impression I have highlights turned on, when in fact they are turned off. I do not use highlights. Also, I will ignore people on IRC as I see fit. As I told you on IRC before ignoring you, if you have an objection raise it on the relevant wiki page. Don't demand a discussion or consensus for the sake of having one. -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:20, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for confirming. When asked something on IRC, I consider it very unpolite to evade the answer and ignore me, what you are doing here again. Savhñ 08:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see your question. You are saying that the pages shouldn't be moved because it "isn't necessary". Do you have a strong objection or are you objecting for the sake of objecting? -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:29, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am asking you a reason for the move, and objecting because there isn't one at the moment, as far as I've understood. Savhñ 08:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The move is part of the main page unification. It will simplify the explanation to translators as to which pages and subpages they need to edit as well as making it easier to establish which templates relate to the main page. Furthermore it will simplify the code of the templates increasing its readability. -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:33, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it looks to me like it was done yesterday? --Herby talk thyme 08:35, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Currently Template:Main Page/Wikimedia Foundation/Code is unfortunately a copy paste of Template:Wikimedia Foundation. I would want it to preserve edit history. -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:38, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is quite subjective, and a discussion should have taken place. How can "simplifying the code of the templates increase its readability"? I don't think you need to be an expert in codes to read the main page, or even to find out how to translate it. Savhñ 08:39, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Right. Which is why now it is as simplified as clicking a few edit links rather than trying to figure out what an entire block of code supposed to mean. As you can see it is much easier to tell which part of the code relies on sub pages of the main page when they are all marked as such through their names.
Main page has been translated to about 50 languages already and are up to date with the information as they all will present the same information even if new information is added. If anything, translation is a lot easier now as changes to the English page shows up on all translations immediately prompting editors what exactly is new and in need of translation. Before the unification languages remained outdated by several years up to half a decade on few occasions.
-- とある白い猫 chi? 08:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So templates that aren't sub pages of the main page shouldn't be translated? Savhñ 08:48, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know how you reached that conclusion. I clarified my above post in the meanwhile. -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've completed the two requested page moves cause I can indeed see an improvement (though it's very small and it's questionable to spend so much time and to do so many changes for such a small improvement), furthermore he already did so many changes that reverting everything would be much more work and would have resulted in an even worse mess than just completing the two requested page moves. But I can agree that such things should be discussed first. - Hoo man (talk) 18:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Semiprotect request Template:EditUrl

Because Template:EditUrl generates an edit link it should perhaps be semi or full protected. -- とある白い猫 chi? 09:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, no reason for protection. Not even main page is recursively protected, by the way. Nemo 10:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The problem I I fear this may open people for phisihing or spam. The template is mass transcluded and appears like a regular "edit" link. Like main pages it should at least be semi protected but if you do not see a reason for it, that is fine too. -- とある白い猫 chi? 14:17, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting the Translate extension on Meta

Hoi, the Translate extensionr has been enabled on Meta. As a consequence there is a new type of user, the Translation administrators. As it makes sense to provide help with both documentation and instruction, I request bureaucrat rights that will enable me to do so. Thanks, Gmeijssen 13:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm where is the need for those tools? Can you be more clear? Providing documentation and instructions doesn´t seem to be a good reason for me. --WizardOfOz talk 15:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Next time use this account so i know who I´m talking to :D. How long would you need it and which account should be granted with this tools? --WizardOfOz talk 15:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having good tooling for translators IS essential. The current toolset is not flexible. Does not support statistics and changes in documents.
  • Providing support for the Translate is something I will be doing as a Wikimedia Foundation employee. That is why I will do it as Gmeijssen and not GerardM. Gmeijssen 07:36, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS it will still be me who is doing it :)

If you need bureaucrat access (as member of the foundation staff), you may make an informal RfB on m:RfA. -Barras 07:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Per Barras, request it please on m:RfA and add how long it will be needed. --WizardOfOz talk 16:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's very nice that we have the Translate extension on Meta! I don't understand how it's going to be used. Are we still in a test period? We need to write down some guideline about it, in any case. Translation administrators should follow the usual request for access page with some (simple process). Moreover, we should probably give pagetranslation permission to all sysops and/or allow sysops to add the group. Nemo 17:29, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not done here now, while I might be a wrong person to conclude this thread, because I'm no b'crat here. As Nemo has indicated on the above, either permanent or temporal, either as volunteer or ex officio, all requests for bits are expected to go RfA on meta. Thanks for your understanding.

To be continued: Meta:Requests for bureaucratship/Gmeijssen --Aphaia 18:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:MetaSysop

You should consider blocking that account and perhaps inviting the user to choose another name. Striker talk 00:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked locally, and Bencmq locked it globally. — [ Tanvir | Talk ] 02:17, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Translation Administrators

I just saw this and as there is a ongoing discussion here, I would like to hear the opinion of other sysops and ´crats on meta. This shouldn´t be a discussion about Gerard and Siebrand as I would also grant them the same flag, but a discussion about the givig local flags behind the scenes without any information and without any discussion onwiki from a developer. We are the coordination wiki and the most translations are done here, but IMO we should discuss this first before giving the flags as there is near no information on meta:Translation administrators. --WizardOfOz talk 22:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we need a discussion about the flags which have been assigned, they were for test purposes as far as I can understand (the extension has just been implemented). It's true that it would have been nice to have more info about the deployment, but it was done so amazingly quickly by the new localisation team that this is something you can't complain about.
What I think we need, as I said, is some documentation about the feature and some discussion about how we're going to use it on Meta, to integrate it in our processes. By the way, there's some insight about future developments on betawiki:Issues_and_features#Page_translation. Nemo 09:30, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:LFI10

This user is an advertising account. πr2 (t • c) 03:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked: we don't block on sight here, but given the username why not. Nemo 07:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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