Meta:Babel/Archives/2021-08

Queries about global user pages

Sorry if this is not the appropriate place for this consultation. Some time ago, a user who has a global lock set by the Wikimedia Foundation tried to access my account. Because of this, 2FA was activated on my account, to avoid possible future problems. The user harassed me through Wikimedia wikis in which I have almost no edits, so I was forced to reverse the harassment in those wikis. Analyzing the situation, I thought that I needed to have a user page in all Wikimedia projects, to avoid being blocked by mistake in case of being harassed again. This is how I discovered the Meta global user pages. I decided to create one for myself, with the aim of having a user page in all projects. Since I don't have a good command of English, I am not able to write something about myself on my global user page, so I decided to use the template {{interwiki redirect}} to report that my main wiki (in which are almost all my editions) is the Spanish Wikipedia (and this is my user page on this Wikipedia). But I have several questions: Is it legal to do this? Is there a wiki where this is prohibited? Thanks a lot! --Benjaminpvera (talk) 00:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I have had a similar configuration for some years without complaints. –xeno 01:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't be an issue at all - if any specific project has an issue with it, you can just create a local userpage and it will display instead of the global one. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

global user pages is your guidance. Otherwise, the template exists, no way we should complain if you use it. Generally the only requirement for a global user page is placed upon those with global rights, and typically we would expect meta advanced rights users to have a local user page, which would be a de facto global page.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to everybody who help me. I have successfully understood how global user pages work. Finally, I have decided to replace the template that I had placed with the babel extension and a brief description about my work on the Wikimedia projects. Thank you very much to all! --Benjaminpvera (talk) 18:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Benjaminpvera (talk) 00:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (Aug 2 - Sept 1, 2021)

The call for candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee is now open. The full announcement is below. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 15:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC) (cross-posted from Wikimedia Forum)

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Content on non-Wikimedia wikis

Hi all. I took a look at Meta:Requests for deletion and found a request for SourceWatch and other pages listed at Category:Non-Wikimedia projects. When I saw the existence of this category and the pages in it, I was a bit confused. Our inclusion policy explicitly mentions content about non-Wikimedia projects as not acceptable. Should we delete all of the pages on non-Wikimedia wikis? Some of them I believe to be in scope, as they mention collaboration with Wikimedia or are proposed projects, but others are just mini advertisements for random non-WMF projects. Thoughts? Best, Vermont (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Vermont: open access, UseModWiki, WeRelate, WeRelate/FAQ, WikiPoets, Digibux, all seem to be within scope. I kinda see why Gruppo Logos was made and would defer to Sj about its fate. Other than that, I would axe the rest of the pages in that category. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 06:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Definitely keep Gruppo Logos. –SJ talk  02:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I will rather we consolidate the discussion on WM:RFD. I too agree that some are spammy in nature. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

RFD discussion (regarding SourceWatch) was closed as keep. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Can I add a different language combination to the list of translations I would like to do?

Hello. I am currently signed up to receive requests for translations, which to date have exclusively been for English-into-Spanish translations. Would that be just by coincidence, or have I somehow requested only that particular language combination? Is there a way for me to specify that I would like to do both English>Spanish and Spanish>English translations? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shazertom (talk) 21. Aug. 2021, 15:04:42 (UTC)

It's something really unnecessary, as in this anglocentric world of the WMF everything is first and above all in English, and everything derives from English, often enough some illegible business and marketing gibberish, and from that source the different languages are derived. They can't fathom the idea that anything originates in another language but English. So on the left side of any page there's always English, and even if you could translate fluently from, say Portuguese to Spanish, it would not help you, if that could be possible in theory, as there is no working interface for any other language combinations but English to anything else. Grüße vom Sänger ♫^(Reden) 16:27, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sänger: I agree that it would be nice to have a process where English isnt needed as an intermediary language. When PTwiki made the notice based on the Brazilian Museum burning down (a campaign to get photographs and other documents salvaging it) and I made an English version of it, I found my English version was used to make other translations, such as to French. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Shazertom, Sänger, and WhisperToMe: I think that you will find that it is happening this way as the default base page is set to "Page content language = English". If the base is set to Spanish prior to the translation process, then any translations will be into other language, and you will get Spanish -> English notifications. If the page is done in English, then there will be notifications from English. To see the metadata follow the "page information" link on any page.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Pings only work with proper signing, I didn't receive a ping.

Who can set where and when this parameter? Is it possible to have a multilingual motherpage, with monolingual daughters, including one /en, where you could chose the language you would like to use as your source language as a translator? That would have bee ideal for the candidates questions here in the current elections. As much as I understand that all candidates should as well know English, and thus should be able to answer the questions in English, they should in any case answer the questions in their normal language, and the English speakers should answer in at least one other language. But the page with main answers should be multilingual, without translations to any other language but the original. Grüße vom Sänger ♫^(Reden) 08:38, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

The pagelang permission is given to administrators and translation administrators. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:48, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

@Sänger: Base pages need to be set to a language, and here that default is English. The way to have multilingual is not set the page to be <translate> tags. Any translated monolingual daughter page again could be set per language, but NOT set to be translated. It would be a complex beast and I would like to see a more specific plan. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:00, 3 September 2021 (UTC)