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Wiktionary Minangkabau

Hello. The Minangkabau Wiktionary recently saw a significant increase in its activities. We now have a regular pool of active contributors and recently-acquired dictionaries and other needed resources for a new project. Therefore, we would like the Committee to consider it for the next step into final approval. Thank you. Muhraz (talk) 10:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Activity only really started in December. It would be good to wait at least a little bit more. There should usually be at least 3 months of consecutive activity. Please also work to complete the interface translation (at least the most-used messages). --MF-W 16:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

As our Wiktionary has been steadily (and increasingly) active since the last message and the core messages are being translated, I would like to request for the Committee to reconsider it for release. Thanks. Muhraz (talk) 03:41, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

You and the community are doing a great job, @Muhraz. Still, I'm going to hold this request until you have sufficient activity in April, for two reasons:

• 3 months is the minimum activity requirement, but 4—5 months is better.
• There is still a technical problem in creating new wikis. See phabricator:T212881. Right now, there are three approved projects (Western Armenian Wikipedia, Neapolitan Wikisource, Hindi Wikisource) and two other wikis ahead of you in line. So nothing will happen on this for a while, anyway. It's better to continue to show your community's commitment by continuing to create content in Incubator for right now. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:37, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Very well then, we would be content to wait until next month. We expect to maintain the same level of activity, and I hope that the Committee would immediately consider our project for approval when the technical problems are fixed. Muhraz (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: It seemed to be fixed on 26 March. phab:T212881#5056630 ✒ Bennylin 03:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bennylin: I just found out myself, and in any case have been very busy IRL. (I'm a volunteer, not paid staff.) I will get to this shortly. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

I know, none of us are. It's just that you're the only person that I can ping. ✒ Bennylin 00:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, any update on this? Muhraz (talk) 09:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi @StevenJ81: do you have any information about the Minangkabau Wiktionary and what should we do to make it happen soon? Harditaher (talk) 01:30, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@Harditaher: I'm afraid I don't. I've been extremely busy IRL the last several weeks, and haven't been able to focus on this. I will try to give this some attention this week. (But please don't forget: most of us here are volunteers, and we sometimes can't spend the time we'd like on this.) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:40, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @StevenJ81:, We're looking forward to hearing it from you. Best. Harditaher (talk) 05:18, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, hello, any update on the approval status of this? Sorry for pinging all members of langcom: @Amire80:, @Antony D. Green:, @Evertype:, @GerardM:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @Klbroome:, @Maor X:, @MF-Warburg:, @Millosh:, @N-true:, @Santhosh.thottingal:, @Satdeep Gill:, @SPQRobin:, but it's been months since the project should be approved already.

Comparing with the latest Wiktionary that got approved:

	Tacawit	Minang
Speakers	2.1 million to 4.5 million	5.5 million to 8.5 million
Number of entries in incubator	1 819 (> 3 years)	5 350 (1 year)
Number of admins	1	6
Number of people in discussion page	2	32 at least
Localization status	NA 503 Service Unavailable	NA 503 Service Unavailable
# of translators in translatewiki	3	6

✒ Bennylin 21:13, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bennylin,

According to the Language proposal policy, one of the requisites for final approval is that there is a continuing effort to translate the MediaWiki interface into that language.

As far as I can see, there has been almost no Minangkabau localization activity in translatewiki: translatewiki:Portal:Min. If anyone can come back to translating there regularly, it will be easier to approve this.

If anyone needs help with localization, please ask me, and I'll be ready to provide any necessary assistance!

Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:04, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

WP Incubator test wikis awaiting content verification

Hello. There are several projects placed in this category. What is the overhauling time required for them to be definitely approved and open as independent WP? Because :

• Wp/skr : ongoing since 10/22/2018
• Wp/gcr : ongoing since 12/13/2018
• Wp/mnw : ongoing since 12/17/2018

It's been more than 6 months! Where are the discussions on the working of these overhaulings? Is this a normal delay? Thanks. Axel xadolik (talk) 09:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Axel xadolik: Your point is well taken.

• I have been busy IRL. I'm now trying to get some things back on track (see below). Thank you for your understanding about that.
• On one hand, we should absolutely get those projects (including also Wt/shy) verified and in the queue.
• On the other hand, there is still a technical issue in getting projects created. Even if these projects are approved, they're still going to sit for a while until the technical problem is fixed, and then until the two fully approved projects pending creation (Hindi and Neapolitan Wikisources) get created. In April, I didn't feel like there was a hurry because of that. But at this point I want to get these shaken loose.
• There's not actually a mechanism in place formally as to what to do if we cannot get content verified. I'm consulting someone on that question now.

Again, thank you for your continuing support and your patience. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Are the technical issues fixed? (Times are changing, said Dylan; but Issues are staying, I'd may rhyme... ;) ) Regards Axel xadolik (talk) 10:51, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Alas, no. (How Western Armenian got created I'm not sure, but apparently the answer is no.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:51, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

This must drive motivated contributors to despair. After several hundred projects that have been successfully transferred for years, we could assume that the procedures are well-run routines. These delays are very annoying. Axel xadolik (talk) 21:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

=> @StevenJ81, What are the news about activating these projects? And for those which wait behind in the queue? We do not have much news from other members of Langcom who seem to be very discreet for a few months ... Thank you for your answers. Axel xadolik (talk) 16:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81, I think that problem has been resolved. I expect that wikis be apprved.Sraiki 16:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I started a check about Mon (mnw). I currently don't see a reason for it to be controversial. (Or did I miss something, and an expert checked it already?)

I'll also try to start a check about skr and gcr, although it may be a bit more complicated.

Thanks for the poke, and sorry about not replying earlier. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Two site renaming request on Meta RFC

I have no idea that why there are no man to make decisions to both:

• Requests for comment/Rename no.wikipedia to nb.wikipedia: I can see some oppose comments, concerning that the de facto nowiki contains not only Bokmål but also Riksmål contents, but has mentioned entirely no example of this, other than this one, I see no reason to actually oppose that (the so-called "technically not possible" was just hit-faced by Foundation Wiki rename, that renamed from wikimediafoundation.org to foundation.wikimedia.org, and a lot of other so-called "reasons" that nsaa said are seems contested by the proposer and Liu...?!)
• Requests for comment/Rename nah.wikipedia to nci.wikipedia: Although Meta-Wiki doesn't allow Snowball closure and hence at least one opposite comment should happen as what Ricardo gs said, I don't know if there are really having fair reasons not to do so? By Marrovi's additional materials, it looks like the de facto nahwiki has served too many member languages, despite have native speakers or not, this is, as Liu..., an easier-to-judge "violation of MediaWiki Code of Conduct", as CoC require projects to be normally either "one language per one subdomain", or "a multilingual wiki with English as default language, and Translate extension installed", except for Chapters', private and/or fishball wikis.

I would really love to see how members of language committee consider both DIV--117.13.95.200 08:56, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

As long as this is not solved, I do not think it is correct to say that wiki renames are now "technically possible". Therefore any discussions are pointless. --MF-W 10:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

This IP user mentioned Foundation Wiki, which afaik that's a successful domain renaming that is happened after this Phabricator task you mentioned. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:56, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Then please ask the developers why it hasn't left any traces in the bug. I guess that this is because foundationwiki is a standalone wiki, i.e. not included in CentralAuth, and therefore has a lot less problems for renaming. --MF-W 08:38, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Saraiki Wiktionary

In Saraiki Wiktionary Wt/skr most work has been done. More than 4000 pages have been made. It should be approved because editor are not feeling good to write categories repeatedly in each page and link. Hoping to be approved --Sraiki 17:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I need you to have at least three registered editors making ten contributions each every month. You're not quite there.

Additionally—and I think I've mentioned this somewhere else—your pages are not very robust. They may contain minimal definitions, but most Wiktionaries include pronunciations, grammatical forms, examples, translations, etc. I'm not seeing any of that.

If you get your contributions up to 3 registered x 10 contributions each consistently, I'm willing to put the project in front of LangCom. But I cannot guarantee that LangCom will think the pages are sufficiently developed. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I want to make the North Korean version

I am japanese. I know basic korean lang. I can know The korean news peper. I want to make North Korea Version. It is difficult for Koreans to understand North Korean.(30% of the words are different.) But Don't I have ISO code of North Korean.

What should I do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Inc rup (talk) 08:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

North Korean has no ISO code, and it is pretty unlikely that LangCom is going to support creation of a separate Wikipedia in North Korean. I can suggest a couple of ideas:

1. Try to add North Korean words to Korean Wiktionary (and other Wiktionaries). The point here is that in other Wiktionaries, the definitions have to be written in whatever language is the language of the Wiktionary, but the lemmas (words to be defined) can be in any language. So it's a way within current projects to start disseminating differences between North Korean and standard [South] Korean.
2. Create a test project at Incubator Plus, where you can freely create a project without an ISO code. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Don't. Projects should be started by native speakers. Also, North Korean doesn't have an ISO code because it's not considered a separate language from Korean, by SIL or by us. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia South Korean has already taken on this issue, from the other angle. If you insist on preceding, see The ISO 639 code change page, where you can request an ISO code for North Korean. (Written before StevenJ81; you should also consider his answer.)--Prosfilaes (talk) 16:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I am not familiar with English.

"cooking" of Korean is

north Korea =ryori

south korean =yori

South Version have"North korean Word" .

I make a North korea lang wiki.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/요리 (yori page)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/료리 (ryori page)

This is totally appropriate, and a good way to do things. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

If you are unfamiliar with English, then write in Japanese. Google Translate is pretty bad on English-Japanese translation, but I'm sure there's someone here who can help with translation. Differences like that are not usually reason to create a separate Wikipedia, and you would first need to try to get a code from SIL (from the page I linked above) before you could try to create a Wikipedia.

（Google Translate）英語に慣れていない場合は、日本語で書いてください。 グーグル翻訳は日英翻訳にはかなり悪いですが、私はここに翻訳を手伝ってくれる人がいると確信しています。 そのような違いは通常別のウィキペディアを作成する理由ではありません、そしてあなたがウィキペディアを作成しようとすることができる前に最初にSILからコードを入手しようとする必要があるでしょう。--Prosfilaes (talk) 13:35, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

About your example on 요리, it's called dialects. You don't have English (US) / English (UK) / English (Canada) Wikipedia. Same stuff. — regards, Revi 13:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Development delays

Just to answer everyone at once here, phab:T212881 has still not been resolved. I'm not quite sure how Western Armenian got through all this, but I cannot get anything else through right now. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Steven, thanks for the update. Because of this long delay we found a quite siginificant decrease in contributions at Minangkabau Wiktionary, since there is basically no point of contributing when project creation is impossible anyway; a discouraging condition, particularly looking back at the level of activity at the beginning of the year. While I recognize that all of us work in voluntary capacity, I might offer that a longer delay may contribute to worse consequences to the future of potential Wiki projects here at the Incubator. Are there any steps that the committee can take for projects affected by this, absent any feasible technical solutions? Muhraz (talk) 13:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'll work on it. Certainly, one thing is that I'm going to suspend the activity requirement for this stretch of time, provided there was sufficient activity right before the problems started. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:35, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

So is verification also stalled now? --117.14.250.47 02:00, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I would suggest the Committee to issue some form of temporary verification for stalled projects. If the technical problem is not going to be resolved in any near future, at least verification should proceed. Muhraz (talk) 12:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

I have sent them and they didn't reply

I have sent them an email wanting to be part of the langcom and they didn't reply. What does this mean? I got rejected?--SharabSalam (talk) 04:09, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't remember seeing anything on the mailing list. Can you please send a new email, with CC to me, amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il ? Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Approving four projects

I am pushing ahead to finalize approval of Guiane Creole WP, Saraiki WP, Mon WP and Tacawit (Shawiya) Wiktionary, and hope to do so by next week. After that, I will start clearing the backlog of projects that are otherwise ready for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank StevenJ81, We from Mon Wiki Group are looking forward to hearing from you and LangCom about the final approval of Mon Wp. Htawmonzel

It may take a little longer than a week. But someone is really trying to address this now, and I'm going to sit hard on them. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Give final approval to Awadhi (language code:awa) language.

Mediawiki has been almost localized in Awadhi language, and work is going on at a rapid pace. Give it final approval, so that it can get its own URL. Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) Thank you. Ajeetsinghawadhi (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Reopen "Proposals for closing projects/Deletion of Bulgarian Wikinews"?

StevenJ81, who closed the initial discussion, is currently on a long wikibreak. After lengthy suspension, messy disputes, etc, I think the initial discussion of the deletion/closure proposal on Bulgarian Wikinews must be reopened. Not only me, a few other editors believe so as well. The Bulgarian community seems to be running out of alternatives unless I'm wrong. De-sysopping one admin was suggested, but I was convinced that even doing so would mask deeper issues about the project. George Ho (talk) 20:04, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

You can open a "second discussion". Leave what is already there alone. But LangCom is discussing this now, too. I will provide an update when I can. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)