Talk:Movement Strategy

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Xeno (WMF) and Pols12, I added the following template in the "about", but it doesn't appear in the Brazilian Portuguese version, how do I make it appear: {{Wikimedia 2030/Header}}--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you clarify? I see your translation of the template. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 00:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Xeno (WMF): I did this: diff, but it still doesn't appear in brazilian portuguese version: [[1]]. --Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 10:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Felipe da Fonseca It didn't appear because the page was not marked up for translation once more after you changed it, so the translation pages were not updated. I just did, so now it appears properly. To answer your point in the edit summary ("why not?"), it's simply because the header doesn't look good right now - it's not centralized as opposed to the page's already existing header. In any case, I agree that we need to have it, I hope someone will be able to fix the look as I myself am not sure how--Abbad (WMF) (talk) 10:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Abbad (WMF) Thank you. So after each update the page needs to be prepared and remarked for translation?--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 10:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Abbad (WMF) One must take into account that navigation through the translated pages is more difficult than through the English pages, so such a template is much more important on the translated pages, and cannot be missing from them.--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 10:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Felipe da Fonseca Exactly! The changes only show up if the page is remarked for translation. I totally understand why the template is important for navigation (that's exactly why it was created!), and I believe the new placement is much better. Thank you --Abbad (WMF) (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Abbad (WMF) is there any special reason why this ({{Wikimedia 2030 Transition navbox}}) template is only in "initiatives"? Thanks. --Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Felipe da Fonseca: Yes! Because the navigation box concerns Transition, which is a past phase of Strategy and most of the links there are not so useful anymore. I'll work on a new navigation box soon --Abbad (WMF) (talk) 10:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Abbad (WMF) thanks.--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 10:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hy Njabulo Jb motaung (talk) 12:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First round of Movement Strategy Implementation Grants[edit]

The first call for Movement Strategy Implementation Grants is open. These grants can support short-term planning activities with a budget of up to $2,000 USD. Apply by the end of June 15! We look forward to reading your applications. We are available for any follow-up questions or clarifications via strategy2030(_AT_) Qgil-WMF (talk) 08:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Qgil-WMF thanks for the information, could you tell me if it is possible to apply for translation of the Strategy pages? In any case we at Wikisul User Group will investigate which of the topics best matches our activities so that we can contribute. Do you have any suggestions?--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 10:49, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Njabulo Jb motaung (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

19 May: Movement Strategy Update[edit]

This is to note that weekly movement strategy update has been posted and is available in several languages. Some highlights include:

  • Announcing upcoming Global Conversations events on 12/13 June (Movement Charter) and 26/27 June (priority initiatives).
  • Announcing planning meetings for the Movement Charter conversations.

--Abbad (WMF) (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Movement Charter next steps[edit]

Hi, after the Movement Charter conversations last weekend, we are proposing next steps for the next couple of weeks: Movement Strategy/Updates/June_15,_2021.

In the same link you can find the documents shared and produced last weekend. We are still working on the report. Qgil-WMF (talk) 18:33, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is an invitation to discuss three questions that need answers in order to create the Movement Charter drafting committee. You can find more context about these questions on Movement Strategy/Events/Movement Charter Global Conversation, 26-27 June 2021. Qgil-WMF (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Announcing a Movement Strategy grants peer support group[edit]

A Movement Strategy Peer Support Group has just been created. This will be the channel where people can discuss ideas around projects they are working on, that could potentially be funded through a Movement Strategy Grant. Please feel free to join the group if: a) you applied for a grant in the previous call, or b) you intend to apply for a grant in the next call. Here's the link to join the group. Feel free to reach out with any questions --Abbad (WMF) (talk) 12:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC).[reply]


The old Strategy: wiki uses Wikiquote for wordmark when you visit via mobile. Should we change it?--Namoroka (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Namoroka: Thank you for the note! This is a weird problem. However, since the website is archived and it's hard to even figure out who has access to it, it seems to me like something we can leave as it is. Do you expect other issues from it or think otherwise? --Abbad (WMF) (talk) 18:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Nope. I also agree with you because it's not a big deal. Thanks for your reply.--Namoroka (talk) 19:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Project page outdated?[edit]

So far, the latest news of the Strategy is November 2021. Where are the latest updates? George Ho (talk) 09:32, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@George Ho What is news? You study this: Movement Charter/Drafting Committee. Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 10:34, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@George Ho @Dušan Kreheľ Yes, this has been a problem long overdue. Now we have this: Movement Strategy/Updates (which also connects to many others pages, e.g. Hubs, using content and translations from a central place). Feel free to watch or subscribe, if interested --Abbad (WMF) (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Evaluate, Iterate and Adapt[edit]

I know that the "evaluate, iterate and adapt" recommendation is not between the priorities, but I think that is very important because that is what tells us if we are in the right path. Is there some plan or some page to discuss the implementation of that recommendation? I have some ideas about it, for example we could create a page listing all Wikimedia activities with a progress bar and a short comment for each one. Danilo.mac talk 17:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't like the new forum, and I didn't find a page that list what other people are doing related to the evaluate recommendation. I am working in my personal initiative, I created a tool to analyze user retention, that is an important metric to evaluate and we didn't have a good tool for that yet. Now I am thinking in other ideas of tools and researches. I think it would be good if we have some way to organize the ideas, maybe some ideas are already implemented in somewhere or have someone working on it and we don't know. Danilo.mac talk 18:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Abbad (WMF): I don't know if you saw my comments above. I saw there is now a page to list implementation projects related to the evaluate recommendation, but there is no link in "44. Monitoring, evaluation and learning at all levels with support and mutual accountability", do you know about any plan related to that? Danilo.mac talk 00:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao, @Danilo.mac! Thank you for your question, persistence, and for your being interested in this fundamental part of the Movement Strategy. Apologies for our delay in replying. You are right - it seems that there is not an overwhelming amount or urgency of activity in this domain, and yet it is crucial. It is intrinsically related also to Movement Strategy Recommendation #7: Manage Internal Knowledge. I know @Abbad (WMF) and I would welcome the chance to discuss this more with you and others interested in these topics. At the moment, we are quite taken with the activities of the Summit. Could we plan to connect with you later in September to learn more about your tool to analyze user retention and your other interests? Perhaps we can help spark some excitement on this Recommendation together with others? HEl-Youssef (WMF) (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@HEl-Youssef (WMF): No problem, I just wanted to be sure that there is nobody else activity working or making detailed plans on that recommendation, I think I can infer by your answer that there is not. I am creating an user subpage where I will put my ideas, so when more people start to working on that recommendation they can consult the page. Danilo.mac talk 16:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Danilo.mac that sounds good, Danilo. Thank you for doing that and letting me know. Let's connect again in September. HEl-Youssef (WMF) (talk) 22:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for a Movement Strategy Forum[edit]

Hello everyone,

This is an invitation to all Movement Strategy participants to try out a new space for truly multilingual collaboration:

We are starting a community review period of two months. If the community feedback is positive, the Forum will launch in August 2022 before Wikimania. If not, we will follow the feedback received, changing the proposal or closing it.

Looking forward to your first impressions! Qgil-WMF (talk) 07:50, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question re lack of WMF response at new forum website[edit]

I would like to ask why the WMF has been so non-responsive in the new forums which have been established for discussion of the movement strategy. There have been numerous ideas being offered by various people and groups at the new forum website, many of them from regions around the world. The WMF amount of response, at the new forum website, has been very low; on some new threads there has been little or no response at all. I do not understand why. I thought that was the whole point of having the forums in the first place.

I would appreciate any input or assistance on this question. I appreciate your help. --Sm8900 (talk) 03:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sm8900: Maybe, the right space for Your question was Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/2022-07-14 Conversation with Trustees and then next meeting. Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because the main aim is to get people like you to agree to them. Or to move the discussion somewhere obscure as is often the case on here.-15:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum[edit]

Hello everyone,

The Movement Strategy Forum (MS Forum) is a multilingual collaborative space for all conversations about Movement Strategy implementation. We are inviting all Movement participants to collaborate on the MS Forum. The goal of the forum is to build community collaboration, using an inclusive multilingual platform.

The Movement Strategy is a collaborative effort to imagine and build the future of the Wikimedia Movement. Anyone can contribute to the Movement Strategy, from a comment to a full-time project.

Join this forum with your Wikimedia account, engage in conversations, and ask questions in your language.

The Movement Strategy and Governance team (MSG) launched the proposal for this MS Forum in May. After a 2-month review period, we have just published the Community Review Report. It includes a summary of the discussions, metrics, and information about the next steps.

We look forward to seeing you at the MS Forum!

Best regards,

Movement Strategy and Governance team

--AAkhmedova (WMF) (talk) 17:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Re)Introducing Movement Strategy - Back to the Basics[edit]

The Movement Strategy and Governance (MSG) team is making a conscious effort to make Movement Strategy an inclusive and diverse process for a largely non-initiated audience. To that effect, we are attempting to simplify the collective understanding of Movement Strategy, talk about available opportunities, and ways to participate in it. As devoted and cherished members of this forum, which is all about Movement Strategy, we welcome your thoughts on the following drafts. Please check these out here: where we start with text that provides a general introduction to Movement Strategy. HEl-Youssef (WMF) (talk) 20:33, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is knowledge[edit]

The recent skin change fiasco on the English Wikipedia seemed a perfect opportunity to revisit our strategy for guidance, so I've started reading Movement Strategy/Recommendations/Improve User Experience. The first line of the rationale begins with:

People create and consume knowledge

DIKW pyramid

Knowledge cannot be created or consumed: it's not some factory line product. The w:DIKW pyramid concept has drawbacks but it's widely understood, so I'm not sure why the authors of this text have decided to throw it out of the window. One of the passages quoted on the English Wikipedia article is:

Knowledge is a fluid mix of framed experience, values, contextual information, expert insight and grounded intuition that provides an environment and framework for evaluating and incorporating new experiences and information. It originates and is applied in the minds of knowers. In organizations it often becomes embedded not only in documents and repositories but also in organizational routines, processes, practices and norms.

Unfortunately, accepting this common definition of knowledge would have implied accepting that the slogan "Knowledge as a service" is a contradiction (in addition to being a reference to one of the most toxic slogans in modern computing). Nemo 10:01, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.s.: To be completely honest, I'm not sure I ever managed to read the entirety of what came out of this strategy exercise, because the language is too off-putting. So I only read bits and pieces when I have a specific need, and even at low doses it's typically too much for me.

In my point of view what happened with Vector 2022 skin is not only related to the Improve User Experience recommendation and the knowledge definition, but it is mainly related to the Ensure Equity in Decision-making and Evaluate, Iterate, and Adapt recommendations. Many decisions are still take by small group of people (often WMF employees) that don't know how to evaluate the community receptivity to theirs ideas. The same problem happened in the past with Flow and other projects, I said some about that when I gave my feedback to the Movement Charter. Another problem that can be in the root of what happened with Vector 2022 and Flow is the idea that efficiency is more important than flexibility, that can be true for many non-Wikimedia sites, but in the Wikimedia community the flexibility is more important than efficiency, many people still don't understand that. Danilo.mac talk 17:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The decision-making recommendation for example states "Enforcing accountability of all Movement organizations". But where is accountability for WMF's software decisions? And how can you have accountability for a major project which started without any strategy or goals at all? This project apparently proceeded for years without any direction or guidance on what it was supposed to achieve. However, I tried to reflect on it as if we could connect it to the overall stated strategy, and the "Improve user experience" recommendation does contain something relevant, which however failed to make any difference. Nemo 20:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Survey] Please provide your feedback about the Movement Strategy Forum[edit]

In the August 2022 community review report, it was mentioned that every 6 months, a survey will be conducted among users to collect qualitative data about forum use.

Therefore, in order to "evaluate, iterate, and adapt" we would greatly appreciate your feedback about the Forum. Shared below is a link to a brief questionnaire that will ask about your experience in the Forum as well as some limited demographic information.

Survey Link

Or, copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:

This survey is for research and evaluation purposes, and will aid the Wikimedia Foundation in assessing the Forum's impact and effectiveness. We will anonymize and aggregate results before sharing with Forum organizers and publishing to Metawiki.

This survey should take around 5 to 10 minutes of your time and will be available until 26 February, 23:59 UTC.

This survey is conducted via a third-party service, which may subject it to additional terms. For more information on privacy and data-handling, see the survey privacy statement.

Thank you for your participation.

CSinha (WMF) (talk) 05:32, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Reminder] Please provide your feedback about the Movement Strategy Forum[edit]

Please take 5-10 minutes to let us know what you think! This brief questionnaire will ask about your experience in the Forum as well as some limited demographic information. It will be available until 26 February, 23:59 UTC.

Survey Link

Or, copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:

This survey is for research and evaluation purposes, and will aid the Wikimedia Foundation in assessing the Forum's impact and effectiveness. We will anonymize and aggregate results before sharing with Forum organizers and publishing to Metawiki.

This survey is conducted via a third-party service, which may subject it to additional terms. For more information on privacy and data-handling, see the survey privacy statement.

Thank you for your participation.

CSinha (WMF) (talk) 12:17, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Report about the recommendation "Increase the Sustainability of Our Movement"[edit]

Hi, we have prepared a report summarizing strategic data and activities related to the recommendation Increase the Sustainability of Our Movement, focusing on projects led by the Wikimedia Foundation. We encourage others to add work they have done or are aware of. This mapping is an invitation to celebrate strategic achievements and focus on areas needing attention and collaboration to succeed. Qgil-WMF (talk) 09:58, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]