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Meta-Wiki has a small active community. When a normal user requires the assistance of an administrator or bureaucrat for some particular task, it is not always easy to find one. This page helps users find one when they need one; asking specific admins directly via their talk pages is one way to elicit a fast response. It is only for assistance required at Meta-Wiki, help for other wikis needs to be requested at those wikis.

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edit warring at talk:QW2022[edit]

OwenBlacker (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log), in conjunction with obvious socks of Fae (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log), are trying to own and censor this page, and are edit warring to that end. They insist, despite other s's objections, that the discussion community members are trying to have cannot be had on that page and must be elsewhere, when it directly concerns the user group and its public image. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:32, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Everyone involved here should be blocked: 2a02 for being an obvious sock of a WO contributor, OwenBlacker for edit warring, and Beeblebrox for edit warring and being overly antagonistic. Nobody has clean hands here and, frankly, everything after Peltarion's question should be removed as off topic. It is clear that they aren't Fae and this whole thing slid into a sideshow hours ago -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:46, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm as entitled to be here as you are. I'm not locked, blocked, banned or anything else. All I've done is raised concerns about how an event is going to be conducted on the talk page for that event, and then tried to keep those concerns from being swept under the carpet by people who'd rather ignore them. 2A02:C7F:BD0C:F700:F183:B06A:638E:BD3D 15:51, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have (re-)hatted what I see as the most disruptive material. While the violation is probably sufficiently severe to warrant outright removal I opted to err on the side of caution and use the mildest measure necessary to end disruption. The other stuff is more borderline and while it belongs elsewhere could potentially be moved so I'm more hesitant in my actions towards it.
The idea that hatting is somehow inappropriate censorship represents a gross misunderstanding of our policies especially Meta:Civility. Threatening, harmful, uncivil, or harassing comments, or those containing personal attacks, private information about other users, libel, vandalism, soapboxing, advertising, irrelevant/off-topic material or just plain gibberish will be reverted, collapsed, revision deleted, or even suppressed as appropriate. Edit-warring to reinsert such material will result in blocks, and whining about the injustice of such removals isn't going to change that.
Personally I do not yet believe any blocks are needed, but if disruption resumes some p-blocks are probably in order.
FWIW I have no connection to Fæ (the wrong account was linked above) although I have some general knowledge of the user's reputation from the grapevine. What I can tell you is that you are extrapolating a lot from a very small amount of information and accusations of sockpuppetry are not to be made lightly. In general you should not accuse other contributors of misbehavior without evidence, especially when the accusations are repeated or severe. If you must make an accusation, then do so with evidence, on the user-talk page of the contributor in question or in the appropriate forum.
For that matter AFAICT Fæ is not (locally) blocked and as such even if it were Fæ the accounts would be inappropriate only if used for illegitimate reasons. And while we're on the topic even if you know for a fact that a user is an LTA's latest reincarnation the appropriate response is not trying to troll the troll which may result in you also being blocked (though in most cases I think a warning would be issued instead due to the mitigating circumstance) but to see that they are quietly blocked with a minimum of drama.
Although many WO members are evading locks that is not necessarily the case so while 2A02:C7F:BD0C:F700:7459:ED99:DF51:89B0/33 already has 4 x-wiki blocks (verify) the range is wide enough that it certainly includes numerous constructive users (and yes some LTAs too). Hence, unless disruption resumes, or there is further evidence that they are evading a (local) block or a lock then blocking is likely still premature.
OwenBlacker doesn't really come across as any worse then any of the other participants here. I don't see any claim that the affiliate has sole control over the talk page or special ownership of it although the reference to the foundation and grants team is a bit odd since being in good-standing doesn't immunize you from criticism even if it is indirect evidence that the criticism is unfounded. Anyway I don't think a block is needed unless edit-warring resumes.
Sorry this ended up being long. 131.128.76.50 01:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Closing a Request by a involved administrator[edit]

I'm not sure if this request is correct for this page, so I apologize. Administrator Jusjih closed the request for deletion my user page and deleted it, although 4 days before he himself took part in a discussion on this request. And he never gave an answer to my question regarding this situation, although he had activity after that. Kisnaak (talk) 14:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update Module:Navbox from en.wp[edit]

Currently, navboxes translated in RTL languages still align text to left (example), because text-align property is hard-coded in Module:Navbox. We should use templateStyles instead, because this allows an automatic flipping of directions for RTL languages. This fix seems to have already been implemented on English Wikipedia by Izno.

So I would like a sysop imports last updates from en.wp to our local Module:Navbox, please. -- Pols12 (talk) 20:00, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anyone who does this should also probably correct any misuses of the navbox HTML class and then remove it from Common.css here. Izno (talk) 23:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
insource:/class="(\w*\s)*(navbox|navbox-inner|navbox-subgroup|navbox-list|navbox-group|navbox-title|navbox-abovebelow|navbox-list|navbox-even|navbox-odd)[\s"]/ does not returned any result, in all namespaces.
This doesn’t include potential use cases by modules, but regex can’t help, since class name can be contain inside a variable. Do you know a tool to check some CSS class use case, @Izno? -- Pols12 (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
since class name can be contain inside a variable Just find the class name without the class piece of it. Which you'll need to do anyway since your regex won't hit addClass. ~200 uses of navbox class and ~300 uses of navbox derivative classes that should be filtered for false positives and archives and then corrected, either by changing to use Template:Navbox, removal of the class, or some other template (perhaps {{collapse}}). Those don't include any talk namespace pages (as generally archives or unnecessary to update or both), and I usually don't touch user pages (as they can take care of themselves) (without user space and removing a few templates that are translated subpages, 15 and 10 respectively).
Anyway, I noticed another thing you need to take care of here which is that Module:Navbox here has the improvements to load hlist and plainlist styles if appropriate (first done at MediaWiki wiki when that one got TemplateStyled). Those need to be preserved here also, which means a trivial import of the updates is not the best plan of merging at the end of the day. Izno (talk) 21:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So, I reviewed those 25 and made a couple edits; all the remaining are false positives or able to lean on the styles from Navbox/styles.css. Which still leaves merging the improvements from MediaWiki wiki and from en.wp together. Do you think you can manage that? Izno (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Many thanks for reviewing all these pages!
OK, I’m trying to make our local styles consistent with MediaWiki.org and en.wp ones. -- Pols12 (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes check.svg Done. However, @Izno why .navbox-group class has got /* @noflip */ directive for text-align:right rule? I think it should be removed. -- Pols12 (talk) 22:03, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That was there from when it was in Common.css since 2011, see this edit when @noflip was added to ResourceLoader. Maybe TheDJ can explain better why it should be there. I don't personally see a reason why it should be. Izno (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, thanks. That made sense for English Wikipedia, since content is not supposed to be in RTL language. But that actually may be reverted so that styling adapts to PageLanguage. -- Pols12 (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As for merging, I was speaking not so much to the styles.css but to the changes necessary in the Lua. Izno (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, sorry. But, is there actually anything “better” in MediaWiki.org version than in en.wp one? -- Pols12 (talk) 22:51, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. MediaWiki wiki (and also the current meta) has this change, which has not been made to en.wp in full yet (namely, finding and providing the TemplateStyles for hlist and plainlist). Izno (talk) 23:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request to delete the translation page[edit]

Wikimedian's Group of Mainland China (English & Korean version) need to be deleted. Thanks for your help and support.--A Chinese user (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@A Chinese user: why? -- Pols12 (talk) 16:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pols12:We've made changes to the Chinese version and it has not ended, so we need to re-create the translated version after the changes completed.--A Chinese user (talk) 01:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@A Chinese user There is no need to delete the translations. You may safely edit Chinese source page, trying to keep markers (<!--T:1-->) when the text has only changed a bit. For new text, don’t add any marker, just ensure it is inside <translate> tags. Each empty new line make a new translation unit (so there is no need to close the translate tag after each paragraph).
A translation admin will review the page and mark it for translation, invalidating outdated translations. Pols12 (talk) 11:38, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pols12: OK, thanks for help.--A Chinese user (talk) 11:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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