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Basque Wikisource[edit]

Hello! As stated by StevenJ81 here, we have been working on Basque Wikisource for a while. All the criteria in Catanalysis are now on, and we have translated all the messages in Translatewiki. So, I ask again to activate Basque Wikisource in its own subdomain. Thanks! -Theklan (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Theklan: Let me ask you a question. Are these "cool projects to add more texts in the next months" now complete? Or are they going to go on for a while?
I ask for two related reasons. First, LangCom does not want to spin off separate projects unless they are going to remain active. Especially with Wikisource, there is not really a downside to the content remaining on multilingual Wikisource for a while. So if you are going to keep working on this for a while, then there is a reason to spin off the project. If you're done for a while, then things should stay where they are. Second, the Basque content is still just a little small. The smallest independent Wikisource that remains open and was not grandfathered in is about 144 pages right now. There is not a formal minimum, to be sure, but if you got your content to 150 pages, it would make your case better. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: We are doing them, we have a group of librarians starting to work on Wikisource, we had a meeting last week with the Secretary of Culture and some works are currently being done (can't explain them in public now, sorry)... we had a workshop with wikimedians, and this year some university texts are going to be free so we can upload here. And we are starting a project with a basque literature database that has all the classics digitalized. So yes, there will be work.
On the other hand, we have much more than 150 pages. Look at the subcategories. @KRLS:, maybe you can give us some numbers of the pages you moved to subcategories in the last month. -Theklan (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough. (On multilingual Wikisource, it's a good idea to keep all your pages in the language root category, as well as in subcategories, so that it's easy for LangCom to see quickly what's going on.)
Give me about a week to clear a couple of other things up at LangCom, and then I'll take this to them. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
It would be a good idea if we were planning to be there forever. But as we are growing, categorization, making templates or organizing it as a real thing is a better idea. Everything is in subcategories, by the way. -Theklan (talk) 15:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
@Theklan: Pages can be in both subcategories and the root category. I fully agree that organizing what you have is important. But the parser function {{pagesincategory}} is dumb, and doesn't count pages in subcategories, too. So as long as you're in Multilingual Wikisource, it's still good to have pages in the language root category (also). StevenJ81 (talk) 15:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Now, there are 186 pages "Not proofread‎", 345 pages Proofread,‎ and 6 pages validated (more info: Category:Zuzenketa-egoeraren orriak) from 27 indexs (more info Category:Indizeak euskaraz). This number will grow quickly, because there are 284 transcribed works that it doesn't use proofreading extensions yet. For example, there is the transcription Gero (629 pages), but it's not migrated to proofreading extensions Index:AxularGero.djvu. I see that you did 54 contributions to multilingual wikisource, consequently you know that Multilingual Wikisource is an hostile environment for newbie users, because a category tree is not the best way to begin and a category or a subpage is not the best showcase. We need this subdomain, because we need a friendly environment, own gadgets, common and translated templates and a great showcase for this "cool projects".--KRLS (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Currently discussing at LangCom. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ancash Quechua[edit]

IMHO, this project is now a little active, although it's still premature to consider its creation, shouldn't we mark this proposal as eligible? -- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

You never answered my question there: Do you have community consensus to combine these tests? At minimum, you need to leave a question open for a week to see if anyone responds. But I'm concerned you've been acting unilaterally on this. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I just gave a proposal, then a user unified the 2 projects into one.-- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 15:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I know. I'm not happy he did so. But he did it because you said you were combining the tests. So I kick that back to you. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
So how can a vote be held to have the consensus of the community-- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 15:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Put a page in each test ... one can actually redirect to the other ... posing the question, and asking for community comment. Also place a notice of it at Incubator's Community Portal. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. -- Michael junior obregon pozo (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Not marking this "eligible" yet, pending the above. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Discussion on Incubator resolved. Now marking this project eligible. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Notification about two proposed project approvals[edit]

Cf. Notification about proposed approvals

Gorontalo Wikipedia[edit]

The LangCom intends to approve Gorontalo Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Please don't vote here. This is for objections. --MF-W 11:33, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Basque Wikisource[edit]

The LangCom intends to approve Basque Wikisource. (Note that this project has many pages in subcategories.) If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please say so on this page in the next seven days.

For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure where approvals are announced at Wikisource, but I will note that both of these projects are now approved. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

So, another set of 2011 series of non-"Verified as eligible" requests[edit]

I think instead of stick on discussing Montenegrin which result a lot of wait wait wait... Why don't we continue discussing the possible eligibility and/or rejection on those year-old requests? Judging anyone of those projects are kindly easier than Montenegrin:

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:54, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Since you follow LangCom, you know I run these through a few at a time. The first five are queued on my computer and ready to go. If someone decides based on what you've written here, great. If not, I don't plan to let grass grow under my feet while waiting for them to finish debating the other topic. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
See comments on first five. "Rejecting as stale" basically means that it could have been eligible, but nobody has ever shown up to work on a test. (There may possibly be a page or two from the time of the request, but then nothing.) If this were a new request, we'd mark it "on hold" and give people some time to show up. But given that 6+ years have passed, and nobody has followed up, LangCom is comfortable rejecting, with an invitation to revisit if anyone ever decides to work on the test. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:36, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Already one week past, the Simple German one can be rejected, personally. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:12, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Really, we're all volunteers here. You can see where I live from my user page. Seven days hadn't passed when I went offline last night my time. Don't start nudging until it's been a day or two past time (at least). StevenJ81 (talk) 13:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
For the Colloquial Cantonese proposal, what it describe is actually an alternative (invented) orthography for the Cantonese. It suggested using characters that are historically used to denote some sounds in Cantonese instead of characters that are commonly used nowadays, and then it also proposed using the Bopomofo phonetic symbol which is a set of phonetic writing system invented in China last century and currently mostly in use in Taiwan to write some words that have no canonical corresponding character. I haven't encounter or even heard about anyone writing in such way in real life, and searching the proposed autonym in google yield nothing relevant. C933103 (talk) 09:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
See comments on second five. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:40, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
See comments on third five. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Note that I also asked Wikimedia Nepal for opinions about Marwari. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
All items in previous sets except for Marwari resolved. Also, see comments on fourth set. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Really? You say that you marked Ingrian and Ter Sami as eligible, but where's the changes? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Why are you so impatient? I sent that in at the end of my day yesterday, and didn't have time to do the updating yet. It will be done this morning, my time. Really, we're all volunteers here. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Comments on final group here. (Note: please don't start marking up 2012 requests yet. I'm going to go to 2018 requests next.) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I think that some 2018 requests are just created as nonsense e.g. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Indonesian-Arabic Script where Ernesztina says that that's an April fool. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia[edit]

Hi, I just wanna know why the Guianan Wikipedia project has not been approved yet, because I think I did everything I needed to do ! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 05:01, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: You need to start filling out some of your pages. You have lots of pages, and you're starting to have enough activity. But I just checked 20 random pages of the project, and they're all stubs. 18 of them, in fact, had no more than two sentences of body text—usually only one sentence. That's not sufficient quality for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
And if you're unsure what to do, translating some more MediaWiki core messages surely doesn't harm. It's ok to do the minimum, but 15 % means e.g. the essential pages like watchlist and recentchanges are not yet usable in the language. --Nemo 20:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Wikipedia/lki[edit]

Hello, it's a long time that we have started to write wikipedia in Laki language (Request Page). Our contributters have submitted some pages and tried to extend the unverified Wikipedia but now they need your reactions and feedbacks, they need a real version of Wikipedia to convince other people to help us. Laki language community could be very active if we had your final approval.

Best regards, Miladrahimi93 (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

You're close. But we need there to be a little bit more of a regular, active community. We are ordinarily looking to see at least three registered users making at least ten edits every single month. We will consider the project for approval when that has happened for three consecutive months. In this test, there was one month like that in 2014, and two consecutive months in Dec. 2015–Jan. 2016, but that's it. It needs to me more consistent. Good luck! StevenJ81 (talk) 19:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

pashto wikivoyage[edit]

hi please make pashto wikivoyage tank you --Atalym (talk) 12:17, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Atalym: As I keep telling the community, LangCom would like to see the project get a little bigger before approving. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

handling languages with multiple scripts[edit]

Some languages have two or more different scripts, is such a case it would according to ISO 636 the language code would then have a hyphen in it, so for example lanuage for Zhuang written in simplified Chinese characters would be za-hans. Is it possible for to create new wikipedias with a hyphen in the language code. Johnkn63 (talk) 10:25, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Johnkn63: Why not considering Wikipedias in multiple writing systems solutions? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:01, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Thank for a interesting ssuggestion. However, whilst it is possible to convert from the character script to the romanised script with few diffult cases, the reverse is not true, there are many cases where diffrent characters are pronounced the same such as 𬽫 (added to Unicode in 2016 written 亻+斗) which is 3rd pers plural pronoun, and 𫔯 which is a door but both 'dou' in the romanized script. The question was may the language contain a hyphen? Johnkn63 (talk) 13:06, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
That's the wrong question. There are several Wikipedias for several languages with hyphens in the Wikimedia code, for various reasons, none of which are for separate scripts. Any new project that doesn't use just the base language tag is going to be special to the individual case. The language code for Zhuang is za. If you need to communicate the script in the language tag, you can use za-Hans, but there's no requirement to; za is still perfectly legal. Wikimedia generally does not produce multiple projects in the same language, so optimally there would be e.g., and that Wikipedia would work how to handle the script situation internally. More argument can be produced, but there's no blanket answer here; you're going to have to make the case that it's worth having both za-Hans and za-Latn, which will be a hard argument.
Thank you for your reply. The main arguement for having two seperate wikis would have to center around there being two user communities with distinct scripts, distinct in that there are many users who are only familiar with one script and not the other, and even a number of users who who on a matter of principle only use one script or another. There is already a and the right hand side of that page indicts part of the problem. Until recently this was an academic problem as many of the za-hani characters were not in Unicode, however Unicode 10.0 added one thousand za-hani characters, and a further two thousand have already been submitted and will become part of Unicode in the next 5 years or so. Are there any other wikis that have solved similar problems and if so how?Johnkn63 (talk) 15:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Note that there's cases of such problems in Chinese. One simplistic solution would be to introduce a wikisyntax, e.g. {{trans|dou|𬽫}}, for things that can't be automated; I can't find the actual solution in use in the Chinese Wikiprojects in English on short notice.
I understand your point, however in practice this will not work, be it Zhuang or Chinese. I even designed a Zhuang editor in 2000 using Perl Tk that did something like this, but discovered that users did not process the two scripts in this way.
Whatever Chinese does, does work for Chinese. I don't see what it means that "this will not work"; it would be tedious, but if the transliterator tags problems and an edit team fixes it, then all such problems will be eventually fixed.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, in that the reason that the Perl Tk editor did not work was because it behaved differentally to Chinese software, so the solution for Zhuang on computers in general is in many respects similar to Chinese, and this is why the Zhuang characters have started to be added to Unicode, the first thousand being added in 2016. No, in that, serveral respects (1) the problem has not been solved for Chinese, conversion is not easy and depends largely on context one reason for this is no word breaks, there are no gaps between words. As to a wiki I see there is an incubator pinyin wiki [[1]], (2) even though there are similarities there are differences in usage which means that the problem is more accute, and therefore a solution is needed sooner rather than later.Two separate wikis would also mean it might be that the wiki in one script is blocked but not the other.Johnkn63 (talk) 01:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Given w:en:Zhuang languages and w:en:Standard Zhuang, it seems the tag should be zyb, as Standard Zhuang is the Yongbei dialect? And Standard Zhuang is also officially written in the Latin script, so lacking interchangeability, the Latin script should be used, leaving the other Zhuang languages to form their own projects in which ever scripts they want.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree that 'zyb' is the right tag for Standard/Yongbei Zhuang. The tag 'za' is a macrolanguage tag, representing a cover term for all the Zhuang languages, which are no more closely related than the Sinitic or the Romance languages. The Wuming variety of Yongbei was chosen not because it is historically more prominent (as in the case of the French of Paris becoming Standard French) but because it makes the most phonemic distinctions, or was believed to do so at the time of standardization. As for the script, there are probably more people literate in Latin script than in Sawndip (Han) script, so the former should most likely be adopted. --Johnwcowan (talk) 02:20, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
There is a world of difference between Standard Zhuang and zyb, Standard Zhuang simply uses zyb phonemes, the vocabulary and spelling are not based on zyb. Anyone taking the Standard Zhuang language test and an swering the questions in zyb would fail, for that matter a zyb person who had not studied Standard Zhuang would not be able to understand many of the questions. As far as literacy is concerned research suggests the literacy rate for the Sawndip script is about twice that for the romanised script. The number of Zhuang handwritten manuscripts in Sawndip vastly out numbers those in the romanised script. Johnkn63 (talk) 16:44, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
"Some languages have two or more different scripts, is such a case it would according to ISO 636 the language code would then have a hyphen in it [...]" This is a BCP 47 mechanism, not ISO 639. ISO 639 code elements are two (639-1) or three (639-2, -3, 5) letters only. DougEwell (talk) 21:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wikitionary[edit]

Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wiktionary are very close to their own sites so these be approved. Sraiki 16:46, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

The activity on these two tests is good, and the interface is translated. However, on doing a check of random pages, I found that at most 6 pages of the 20 I checked on Wikipedia test were more than stubs—and I think I was being generous on three of them. And none of the 10 pages I checked on the Wiktionary test were more than stubs. So please start trying to build out the pages you have and turn them into real encyclopedia or dictionary pages. Only when you have done that will the tests be ready to consider for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81 According to advice I tried my best, Now in my view in Wikipedia Saraiki stubs are very few, most articles have been developed. It is very near to be approved,Sraiki 04:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Request for approval of Wikipedia/Italkian[edit]

Hi,I'm SarduLogoduresu and I'm here to ask for the creation of the Italkian Language Wikipedia Version.I'm from the little Nuoro jewish community.In this jews community there are 70 people (20 boys).All of us can speak a little of the Judaeo-Italian language. Also in Livorno (Baggino dialect), Turin (Judeao-Piedmontese) and Milan there are Italkian speak-communities (in total 250 people can speak good the language, but 4000 can say anything). Ethnologue say there are also 70 speaker in the greek island of Corfù. The ISO-code is 'itk' and some sites have a page dedicated to this language. I think the Judaeo-Italian page can be an octimal page of exprhension for the little italkian-speak community. Best regards,Havanderci, SarduLogoduresu

Hello, SarduLogoduresu, and חג כשר ושמח!
I'd be very pleased, personally, if such a project were to be created and successful, and I will do what I can to help. But before such a project could be approved, you and your colleagues would need to start by creating content in a test project on Incubator. Please do that—the rules for Incubator projects are at incubator:Help:Manual, and ask me (on my talk page there) if you have any questions.
מועד טוב. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Italkian Communities in the world[edit]

In total there are in the all world almost 2.000-3.000 people who can speaking italkian. Another 10.000 dispersed in all the world can understand and reading that. In total the people who can write in italkian, corfiot italqit and Israel italkian there are almost 1.000. In my idea the wikipedia has to be write in Latin Script, because the biggest part of the italkian-speakers are italian L1 and Italkian L2 or, like me L3. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SarduLogoduresu (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2018

Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Chinese[edit]

Chinese Wikiversity is now big enough to have its own wiki. Would you kindly take a look at it ?

Thank you --CreativeC (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@CreativeC: We have been discussing this. In all respects except one, the project is approvable. The one snag is that there are not three registered editors participating every month. And this is especially unfortunate because there is enormous input from IP users. Is there anything you can do to make sure that at least three registered (non-bot) editors participate every month? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I will notify the last active users to keep editing. --CreativeC (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
@CreativeC: Thanks for the invite. I think that propaganda can only be done if it can be put together. I can now guarantee that some activities will be active to solve this last big hole. --夢蝶葬花@zhwikivoyage 02:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Atayal[edit]

Atayal Wikipedia (tay) should have been approved a long time ago. Translation work has been done and the test has regular, consistent activity for at least 12 months. Therefore, I believe it's time to get the language verified and approve this wiki. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Very stubby, which I've mentioned to the community before. StevenJ81 (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the majority of the articles look like this and this, which is stubby. However, medium-sized pages like this and this are not too hard to find. An example of a long page is this. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
@Ooswesthoesbes: When over half the articles are stubs, is it appropriate to move to approval? StevenJ81 (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
I think most Wikipedias have over half the articles stubs. Judging from RC, they tend to be expanding old pages (mainly by adding tables), instead of creating new small articles. Which I think is a positive sign. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 08:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
That is a positive sign. OK. Let me take the next week to resolve a couple of other issues over at LangCom, and then I'll bring this one to them. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Creation of new language Marwari.[edit]

Marwari language is spoken in rajasthan india. This language is much more different than othere language its has it own words,way of speaking etc. We demand a marwari Wikipedia section. For saving our language. Jai Poonia (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @Jai Poonia: This wiki was just marked as eligible. At this point, for the project to be approved, it must be more fully developed on Incubator. Please participate at incubator:Wp/rwr. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Sorani Kurdish[edit]

We have started from scratch on the ckb Wiktionary and we've been REALLY active, working hard and trying our best to create content. @StevenJ81: advised to create content, so we've been doing that and we quickly reached 200 pages (and counting) in the few days we've been working on it. We believe now it's time to consider creating our project. Remember, ckb Wikipedia started small as well, but now it's really big and read by many. The ckb Wiktionary will be the same, because we don't believe in unfinished works.--Épine (talk) 22:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, judging from the analysis, you have not yet reached the necessary goals. One of them is at least three consecutive months of substantial contributions by at least three editors. As it stands, you have only one month of activity. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello @Ooswesthoesbes: what are the other necessary goals? If we hold the project active for another two months, that's it? Also, look at the recent changes, there are three active users.--Épine (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
In general, yes. However, take in mind that LangCom may need some extra time for approving or discussing the project, and the developpers need time to actually create the wiki. The only thing you need to keep doing for now is keep editing and building a strong community. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Got it! Thanks!--Épine (talk) 13:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)