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Kotava Wikipedia[edit]

@Jon Harald Søby, @James Heilman

The WP:Kotava project was launched in the Incubator more than two years ago. There has been regular and significant activity for over last twelve months, with about 10-12 active contributors each month. To date, it has 5469 articles (see Catanalysis) , making it the most dynamic and consistent project of all projects in the Incubator. And to quote his main administrator: This project is actually one of the best, highest-quality, most serious projects I have seen in my three years [...] as a sysop on Incubator.

The project meets all the requirements of the policy, and we have patiently fulfilled all the conditions and respected the procedures defined by the Langcom.

A discussion on the public mailing-list sept- nov- was launched on September 26th for its final approval. Three members of Langcom spoke explicitly for, and none of the titular members expressed opposition. I personally responded, through the members who answered me, to the legitimate questions raised in the discussion.

At a time, I was even asked to validate the namespaces of the project, which I did willingly and without delay.

But since then, nothing! It has been more than two months since nothing came of it, even though six other projects, much less advanced, were validated at the same time, and some after short and formal discussions.

I perceive in this bogging a kind of disdain that does not say its name, even a contempt for the kotavusik community which, even if it is small and does not meet the codes of pseudo-specialists in constructed languages, reveals its involvement, its linguistic mastery and its ability to produce quality encyclopedic work.

I'm asking for things to be unlocked. And if there is a surreptitious problem in the functioning of Langcom, at least the Wikimedia board is informed.

Personally, I am ready to make further and further clarifications (although I have the feeling that everything has already been said and produced on several occasions) that the full members of Langcom may wish.

Regards. Axel xadolik (talk) 18:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC) (test administrator of WP Kotava project)

"disdain that does not say its name"? Is that a reference to "w:The love that dare not speak its name"? It seems like a poorly chosen phrase.
Yes, obscure conlangs are hard sells, for reason that can be well-explained, and don't deserve such sarcasm.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
@Axel xadolik: Are you really from langcom? If not, please do not use clauses like "Notification about proposed approval of", but "Request for approval of Kotava..." instead. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello. The topic is still under discussion in Langcom. --MF-W 19:42, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello @Jon Harald Søby, @James Heilman, @MF-Warburg:
Where is this discussion? Nothing seems to have changed... the silence that is reserved for the reprobate people, the unworthy... but unworthy of what?
Today, the project has 6003 articles (ie more than many official WP, it would even be in 170th place, out of 309), and once again more than 10 active contributors this month. Regards. Axel xadolik (talk) 15:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
I am sure that MF-W will let use know. Ping me in a couple of weeks if you still do not hear anything. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
@Doc James: Hello James, nothing is changed since your last message. So I'm asking you to intervene. Regards. Axel xadolik (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Les choses sont désespérantes. Le WP Kotava projet est le plus beau projet en développement dans l'Incubator (6700 articles, 10-12 contributeurs actifs tous les mois depuis plus d'un an, des articles originaux de qualité, systématiquement sourcés, etc.). Dans la discussion lancée en septembre 2019, 3 membres du Langcom ont voté pour, et aucun contre. Mais depuis, il ne se passe plus rien, le résultat de ce vote est absolument ignoré, mais cela semble ne gêner personne ! Est-ce cela l'esprit collaboratif de Wikipedia ? Qui bloque le processus et pour quelles raisons avouables ?
@Doc James:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @MF-Warburg: forgive me for being publicly direct, but I appeal to you who are the only members of Langcom who are somewhat actively overseeing the projects being developed in the Incubator. You have the power to validate the project, so please do so.
Regards. Axel xadolik (talk) 21:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Supposedly was discussed at in the private Wiki. Would someone be so kind as to give me access? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
--- @Doc James:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @MF-Warburg: I am renewing my request because things are still not moving forward. Where are the discussions going? The project is actively continuing and it would finally be time to validate it. Thank you for your answers and replies. Axel xadolik (talk) 13:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
--- @Doc James:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @MF-Warburg: and all. The Kotava project continues, however. If you compare with the other constructed languages present and already accepted on Wikipedia, its activity places it in second place, behind Esperanto but far ahead of Volapük, Ido, Interlingua and others. For many months.See here the statistics that show this. And below, just the table for the month of February 2020. Where and what are the objective arguments for not admitting this project? Axel xadolik (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Tokdume bewik ke bata neda va konedina dusiva is tazukoyena erura me dulzad ? (Why the members of this committee do not answer to the arguments presented and the requests that are made?) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 08:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Biscuit 26507: Because they are still discussing privately on this topic, no results are available from now on unless and until their intranet discussions done. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Bewik ke bata neda, adim dulzec !! (Members of this committee, answer, at last!). Biscuit 26507 (talk) 17:22, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


What are updates about Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wiktionary.Sraiki (talk) 15:21, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Amire80:, @Antony D. Green:, @Maor X:, @GerardM:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @Klbroome:, @Yupik:, @MF-Warburg:, @Evertype:, @Millosh:, @SPQRobin:, @Satdeep Gill:, @StevenJ81:, @Doc James: Hello, lang Com. Look into matter and approve Saraiki Wikipedia and Saraiki Wiktionary.Sraiki (talk) 06:58, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for Approval of Shan Wiktionary[edit]

The test project is active enough and has more than 7700 entries. The Shan community's first Wikipedia Project was approved and created on 2018. Please review their second Project for the final approval. Thanks. NinjaStrikers «» 14:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Amire80:, @Antony D. Green:, @Maor X:, @GerardM:, @Jon Harald Søby:, @Klbroome:, @Yupik:, @MF-Warburg:, @Evertype:, @Millosh:, @SPQRobin:, @Satdeep Gill:, @StevenJ81:, @Doc James: - May I know any update for this, please. Thanks. NinjaStrikers «» 04:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
@Ninjastrikers: See the bottom of this page. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby: Thank you! NinjaStrikers «» 16:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for approval of Kotava Wikipedia[edit]

Amir E. Aharoni, Antony D. Green, Maor Malul, Gerard Meijssen, Jon Harald Søby, Karen Broome, Kimberli Mäkäräinen, MF-Warburg, Michael Everson, Milos Rancic, Robin Pepermans, Satdeep Gill, Steven White, James Heilman : I don't understand why this project is still not validated or approved. It counts almost 8000 articles, in a wide variety of fields (literature, painting, mammals, ornithology, Africa, etc.), and many very active contributors over the last two years, and a great deal of attention has been done to the presentation of the articles, links and sources.

This project is already much more active than other already accepted languages such as Friulan, Maltese, Ladino, Ligurian, Corsican, Sardinian or Lingua Franca Nova.

The project largely meets all the criteria required in the recommendations.

When will this approval take place? Thank you for your answers. ClaudiaVisentini (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@ClaudiaVisentini: Doubtful, as that language request doesn't judged as eligible, for an on hold proposal, it's likely to wait for up to 5 years. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Liuxinyu970226, several remarks:
  • 1) Why would the Kotava be less eligible than the Lingua Franca Nova or the Novial?
  • 2) Where are the reasons for this 5-year purgatory?
  • 3) Why does no member of this committee, which has the right of life and death over a language and the work of dozens of contributors, answer? ClaudiaVisentini (talk) 14:42, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
@ClaudiaVisentini: Well, the first question is confusing because as of now, nobody says that your language is "less eligible" than others, langcom members are privately (i.e. they discuss the entire Kotava-related issues on their own private mailing list) discussing the eligibility. The second question maybe also. For the third, asking Commons might be better. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:16, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: If I well understand what you're saying, I conclude that:
  • This committee actually operates as a secret committee, and that its "real" discussions are private and therefore no one can really know how decisions are made. A good example of transparency!
  • The famous criteria put forward on the face of the world are just here to give the impression of objective processes. As in political matters, finally.
  • The members of this committee have too much to do to answer to ordinary contributors and explain their decisions or non-decisions.
Sad conclusions. ClaudiaVisentini (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
@ClaudiaVisentini: Because they only privately discuss stuffs when they have benefits to do so, to which your issues are meeting their criterias, this is the reason why I don't have interests in joining them, since I rather like to have no sensitive things. In many times, questions other than yours are publicly answered, though. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:31, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Acum tire bata neda aun levgorar, me konedison va geltrafa flidera pu kotrafa doda ? Vol lité da batcoba tir rapalackafa gu dalaf nelkoteem ke Wikimedia. Tokdume ? (So this committee actually makes its decisions privately, in secret, without exposing the actual discussions to the whole community? I don't think that's very much in accordance with the main principles of Wikimedia. Why is that?) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 08:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Biscuit 26507: Well, I'm not saying that "the langcom discuss the eligibility privately", I'm just saying that your matter should be discussed privately, okay? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Me, me gildá dume prilara me tid sanegafa, dume bat zolonarsaf bewik kivad da va tirka co muxad. Voxen rin, larde maneke lanepeson pulvil, pune kas va bata yasegafa vexala ronovansal ? Kre lidecké da ewarurapa tir.
(No, I do not understand why the discussions are not public, why these overly important members are afraid to express a position publicly. And you, do you have access to this private list to speak with such certainty? I have more feeling of a great offhandedness.) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 12:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
@AEA, ADG, MM, GM, JHS, KB, KM, MFW, ME, MR, RP, SG, SW, JH : Tokdume meka dulzera ke kon bewik ke bata neda tir ? Tokdume abdumimaks gan winafa ebeltafa neda zo levlanzar ? Toklize sanegafa atatcera is remawira ke dusiveem tigid ?
(Why is there no response from any member of this committee? Why is this project blacklisted by your dark committee? Where are the public debate and the transparency of the arguments?). Biscuit 26507 (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@Biscuit 26507: Patience, please. It is not blacklisted, but it has taken a bit of time to discuss it. You'll hear from us soon. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby: Va keuca, va keuca... Batcoba tir axafa dusiva. Mali konak aksat ikz- bat abdumimaks gan lo 10 webesik tegison zo linter. Kas naleteson kec da 10000 teliz di tid ? Edeme, toka mijepesa flidera elokasa va abduaxa tid ? Malgildeteson oblakafenkupú isen kotar webesik milinde askid.
(Patience, patience... That's a bit of a narrow argument. This project has been actively pursued for months and months by more than 10 contributors. Are you waiting for 10,000 articles to validate it? If not, what are the so disputed discussions that are blocking the process? My ears and those of all the other contributors are widely open to hear you.) Biscuit 26507 (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

StevenJ81's current absence[edit]

Does anybody know what happened to StevenJ81 (talk · contribs)? His last contribution at Meta is December of last year, i.e. three months ago, and the discussion is about his email being out of service (or something like that). Will there be (temporary) substitutes for non-voting clerks? George Ho (talk) 08:01, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I guess he was burned out by LangCom business? — regards, Revi 13:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I hope he's alright. I had been worried about him too. The Discoverer (talk) 12:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Formatting of Moroccan Arabic[edit]

Hello language Committee,

I am one of the administrators of the Wikipedia in Moroccan Arabic, currently still in the incubator, but that we prepare to launch soon. We are currently facing a problem, which is that someone (very long time ago - we don't know who) registered the Moroccan Arabic as a language written with Latin Alphabet, and called "Magribi". This is not reflected in reality as Moroccan Arabic is written in Arabic letters as you can see in the incubator. This problem touches all the ary (Moroccan Arabic) projects and not only Wikipedia in the incubator, but it is the one most suffering because we are facing a lot of trouble everyday with all edits due to the complications of LTR (left to right) while it should be all RTL (right to left) for us. Can you please help us solve this by:

  1. Change the formatting of Moroccan Arabic (Ary) from LTR to RLT?
  2. Change Moroccan Arabic language name in all Wikimedia projects from "Magribi" to "الدارجة", which is the name everyone uses?

If is not you who can do this, then please guide us to who does it so that we contact them? As this was a hanging issue for more than a year for us, and is a blocker for us to work on the Wiktionary. Thank you in advance for the help. I am tagging for reference the active editors of Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia: Sadiqui, Reda Benkhadra, Rachid Ourkia, Tifratin, Abdeaitali.

Best regards,

Anass Sedrati (talk) 19:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Amire80, Aaharoni-WMF, Sthottingal (WMF), Nikerabbit, and Nlaxstrom-WMF: FYI. Requests were submitted on Phabricator and GitHub, but they remained without answers. Thanks in advance ! --Reda benkhadra (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Request for approval of Awadhi Wikipedia[edit]

@Satdeep Gill @ Talk The Awadhi Wikipedia incubator has been very active for the past several months. It has 5071 pages and 10918 edits so far and is continuing. Therefore, it is a humble request to approve the Awadhi test Wikipedia and create the independent URL. So that it can develop faster. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajaywikia (talk) 2020-04-12 05:06

Hello. It has now been approved and the creation of the wiki was requested. - As I see, we neglected to post a "notification about proposed approval" here one week before doing it. I hope this will not lead to any problems, but if someone has objections, he or she can of course still tell us. --MF-W 17:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Shan Wiktionary[edit]

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Shan Wiktionary. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby: 11 days past and seems nobody object it? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:18, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Also if I created entries with books of the Bible in Shan, I would ask that approvate this Wiktionary, but don't give to know which are these books of the Bible, because only see squares, and just see visible characters in Mozilla Firefox.
Leonardo José Raimundo (talk) 18:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Thanks for the reminder, I forgot to follow up on this. I have filed phab:T253029 now.
@Leonardo José Raimundo: I'm not sure what you mean… The issue with the boxes sounds like a font issue, so you could try to install a font that supports Shan on your computer, like Noto Sans Myanmar. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Siberian[edit]

Can someone deal with this proposal?--GZWDer (talk) 11:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for mentioning it here. --MF-W 13:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for approval of Walloon Wikisource[edit]

Do you consider this request premature? Since 2018 I have gathered information to see if the project is viable, and it is in my opinion. I think the project ready to continue on its own subdomain, even if there are few active users. I notify walloon users who are interested by this request and so that they give their opinion : @Lucyin, Srtxg, Èl-Gueuye-Noere, and Athelsatn: Greetings, Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talk) 06:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you explain what you mean by "you gathered information to see if the project is viable"? I would be interested in the details of this information. --MF-W 14:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
To my mind, a such project is viable if there are enough texts to transcribe. If you only have ten authors who wrote a hundred texts into a regional language, I don't think it's necessary to deploy a new branch of Wikisource to transcribe these texts, the old Wikisource seems to be a good place to host them, or, in the case of Walloon language the French subdomain, considering that (almost) all Walloon speakers has French as native language nowadays. But here, we have a regional language with many hundred texts to transcribe, with some schools that teach Walloon (as the Walloon school of Namur), and some authors who still write in Walloon in magazines (Singuliers, El mouchon d’Aunias, Li Rantoele) or publish new books (Lucyin Mahin, Li batreye des cwate vints) in 2020. This means that we'll have work for more decades and this is what I mean by viable. I hope answered the question. Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, this Wikisource is ready. I've been monitoring this and it has been active since May 2018. Some months more active than the others, but it never fell inactive. Catanalysis is an underrepresentation due to incomplete categorization. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 05:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello everybody,
I am writing to tell you that, such as @Reptilien.19831209BE1 precised earlier, I am in favour of an Independent Walloon Wikisource (whose name would be : Wikisourd). They are actually many works that need to be transcribed, this amount of work will permit us to be (certainly) a big independent Wikisource. Furthermore, in two months, the Walloon Wikisource has passed from 600 to 820 articles. That is to say that by the end of the year the Walloon Wikisource would surely have, at least 1,000 articles. However, some independent Wikisources in other languages have less articles than Walloon one. Moreover, the other Walloon Wikimedia projects are all the rage (i.e.: there are quite a lot of contributions for small projects).
All these are the major reasons that explain why the Wikimedia Foundation should create an independent Walloon Wikisource. If you want further explainations, please, feel free to contact me.
Sincerely yours,
--Èl-Gueuye-Noere (talk) 11:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
I am very interested in this project,and will add a lot of own texts as a Walloon language writer, but also many others I and different friends published in different magazines, like wa:Coutcouloudjoû, wa:Li Rantoele and wa:Singuliers, as well as on my Web-magazine.
--Lucyin (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

اللغة العربية البحرانية[edit]

يوجد الكثير من الناس التي تتكلم اللهجة البحرانية في العراق و البحرين و السعودية و حتى الكويت

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]])

So... ? --MF-W 13:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg: Per Google translate tool, it seems that this user want to restart Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Bahrani Arabic? As it tells me "There are many people who speak Bahrani dialect in Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and even Kuwait". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)