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Local name of lombard language[edit]

Now the local name of Lombard language used for interlingual links is "Lumbaart", but "Lombard" would be better since "lumbaart" is written in a ortography that is no longer used. We had already started talking about this on the Wikimedia forum. Nowadays "lombard" is much more used as the two Panlombard ortography use "Lombard". A discussion on traslatewiki was also started where there is consensus among the translators. In addition you can also easily verify through a search on the wikipedia in Lombard language that "lombard" (https://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Ri%C3%A7erca&limit=500&offset=0&ns0=1&search=Lombard) is extremely more used than "lumbaart" (https://lmo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=lumbaart&title=Special%3ARi%C3%A7erca&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1). It is enough for you to see the number of search results on lombard Wikipedia.

Is it possible to change the local language name?--Gat lombart (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it is. The language names are defined in the MediaWiki core, languages/data/Names.php. You can open a phabricator: task to request it to be changed, with reference to the community discussions about it. --MF-W 23:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Gat lombart for opening a discussion and for explaining what usage statistics you had in mind. Indeed this is enough to file a request in Phabricator, although ideally we'd have a reliable third-party source before changing such things in MediaWiki. (For instance, if the lmo.wikipedia has a policy on the expected grammar, ortography and so on, maybe it references some grammar or dictionary books which could be used as source for the name.)
Sadly my books in milanese are 2000 km away (assuming they're still in my grandma's house). Nemo 07:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Start allowing ancient languages[edit]

So, someone started this RFC page, is there any members of langcom interested in it? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Balinese Wikisource[edit]

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Balinese Wikisource. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. Meanwhile, the community of the project is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --MF-W 09:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

phabricator:T284389. --MF-W 11:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Dagbani Wikipedia[edit]

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Dagbani Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. Meanwhile, the community of the project is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --MF-W 15:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Javanese Wikisource[edit]

Hello, the Javanese Wikisource has been active since 2008, and has more than 1000 pages. Since the beginning of this year, the community has constantly adding more content. Could this project be approved?

Thank you.

Bennylin 17:26, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Ping @Liuxinyu970226:
Better to ping @MF-Warburg: here. (PS: Are Bashkir Wiktionary and Gorontalo Wiktionary also in same situation?) --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
What a strange comment is this? You are on here regularly, so you surely are aware I am watching this page, so no need to ping me uselessly. And what gives to ask someone about random other projects? --MF-W 18:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
No idea ([edit: Bashkir is not a Indonesian language, so zero idea. While Gorontalo Wiktionary, I am in touch with the person, and indeed I seemed to remember I promised to help him with the project, but alas, I haven't had the time to do so]). I just contribute in JV WS. Also, there's no easy way to know who's responsible (who should I ping) for this matter.
Pinging everyone: @Amire80:, @Antony D. Green:, @Maor X:, @GerardM:, @Janwo: (Indonesian speaker!), @Jon Harald Søby:, @Yupik:, @Evertype:, @Satdeep Gill:, @Sotiale:, @Vito Genovese:. Bennylin 15:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi! Looks good I guess. There should be a result in a few days. --MF-W 18:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks a lot 🙏, looking forward to it! I'm happy that two Wikisource projects (Javanese and Balinese) will be launched soon! Both have different histories and different communities, but we are sisters! (along with ID-WS). Bennylin 18:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Edhellen[edit]

Ai! Glassen, garo i barf an lam Edhellen (Eglathrin) ISO 639-3: sjn

Hi. Please, define a project for the Sindarin language ISO 639-3: sjn Thank you. --Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 09:05, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Sindarin is a fictional language. Notwithstanding the existence of an ISO 639–3 code, fictional languages are not eligible for projects. Please see Language proposal policy. --Sotiale (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok, Houston, we have a question. In that case, I would like to draw your attention to such a problem. Sindarin is worldwide, there are many resources on the Internet devoted to its study, people communicate in it in written and verbal form, and its popularity is only growing. At the same time, there is the Wikipedia-approved Esperanto language and other artificial languages, perhaps even less elaborated than Sindarin. So why aren't these languages subject to the same kind of restrictions? --Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 09:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 09:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
I think the delineation is between "constructed language" ([1] [2] and "fictional language" (3). You can argue it's a constructed language if it fulfill the criteria in Requisites for eligibility #4. But seeing that it's been attempted and denied (incubator:Wp/sjn, Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sindarin), I think the fate is sealed. Bennylin 13:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I see that the Wikipedia section on Sindarin was closed before the articles were published. It's my personal opinion that we shouldn't cut such an original linguistic project down. It is worthwhile, for starters, to do a little research on the language and translate a few articles, including an article on Sindarin itself. I believe this would allow to fully assess the capabilities of the language, its informativeness, readability, and various other parameters, and then draw conclusions about its relevance within the project and decide whether it is worth keeping or excluding. --Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 14:12, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
At a quick glance, there are zero publications in Sindarin. Note that Esperanto has a monthly magazine on international news, as well as various other periodicals and translations and original works, actively entering publication. As far as I know, the entire vocabulary of Sindarin comes from the limited corpus left by Tolkien, which is by its nature not so complete as a vocabulary of any artificial language designed for modern communication.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Profilaes, and thank you for your response. Sindarin has not only a rich vocabulary, but also a mechanism of word formation, which easily eliminates the lack of its "non-modernity", allowing you to give names to modern technology, describing the laws of physics and mathematics, and not to resort to borrowing. Moreover - the mechanism of word formation in Sindarin is so flexible and universal that it allows you to give names to phenomena, events and objects that have no place in objective reality. I will supplement my defense by the assertion that various informational and media materials are also published on Sindarin.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 17:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
As someone who has studied the artificial interlinguistics to some extent, I just don't buy it. Every attempt to produce a language with a flexible and universal mechanism of word formation has had troubles with language and reality. German, English, Russian and Esperanto are all pretty flexible about forming words, but instead of repeating some variant of an alcoholic drink served before a meal as an appetizer, Aperitif, apéritif, аперити́в (aperitív), and aperitivo have been borrowed from French into their respective languages. I laugh at the idea of Elsa singing about "My soul is spiraling in frozen objects with non-integral Hausdorff-Besicovitch dimensions all around" instead of "frozen fractals all around".
You make that assertion, but provide no evidence. I know there are books on Sindarin, but that's not the interesting question; the question is, is there material in Sindarin?--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:10, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Interesting point of view, but your message is written as if you are evaluating Sindarin and its capabilities in a biased and subjective way. This is certainly a valuable way of assessing language capabilities, but it puts some strain on the effectiveness of decision-making. "I fae nin osrevia im thencim chelui" (that line from the Elsa song in Sindarin). Osrevia - spiraling, i fae nin - my soul (soul my), thencim chelui - frozen fractals (fractals frozen). Sorry, I don't know this song, so I translated your line. You can translate anything into Sindarin. I think we have the material.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 03:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
@Calad-ne-dúath: If you really think that there should have a Sindarin Wikipedia test, here to go. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
By biased and subjective, I'm forced to conclude you mean "using facts you don't like", as you certainly provide no evidence for your case. Fractal is a word invented by Mandelbrot in 1975, two years after Tolkien died, and the concept was basically invented along with it. So either you're making up words when you translate it as "thencim", or you're not fully translating the concept.
And this is starting to annoy me; if you want a Sindarin encyclopedia, there are several free wiki sites out there, and it's not too hard to run your own wiki on your own website. It feels like it's more important to have a Wikipedia™ than make an encyclopedia for many of these language suggestions.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Please don't be annoyed. If you wish, I will grant your wish and leave Wikipedia where I will not interfere with you personally. However, I believe you greatly underestimate Sindarin. I mentioned above the advanced word-formation mechanism in Sindarin. It allows you to assemble words like a construction set, and you can say anything you want in Sindarin if you want to. Tolkien personally showed this directly in his own books when he named cities, countries, characters, various events and objects.
The word "thencim" is in the plural, its singular is "thancem". "Thanc" - "fractured" and "em" - "image", "fractured image" as in Latin and "image" is not meant as a picture. "Fractured shape" sounds as "thancfan" (singular) or "thencfain" (plural). This word is possible because of an advanced word-formation mechanism, even if Tolkien did not think of such a thing. I may not be providing links to informational material, but I can provide the case. One case is always more effective than a thousand words.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 06:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
@Calad-ne-dúath: I boldly reseted incubator:Wp/sjn, so that you may start creating pages by clicking "Create page". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
OK, thank you. I'm already translating an article about Sindarin. I think this is where the relevant Wikipedia section should start.--Calad-ne-dúath (talk) 09:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Notification about proposed approval of Tachelhit Wikipedia[edit]

Hi! Langcom intends to approve Tachelhit Wikipedia. If you have objections to that based on the language proposal policy, please tell us here on this page in the next seven days. Meanwhile, the community of the project is asked to check (and if necessary, complete) the wiki settings as indicated on the request page. --MF-W 11:43, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

No against, but just wondering when to start this final process for Manchu one (is vertical writting still a problem for MediaWiki website?). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Policy on creating new Wikiprojects language versions[edit]

Another RFC to propose changing the currently policy, what do we think about it? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Requests for Thao Wiktionary[edit]

Dear,

I've notice that some Thao editors are quite active these days. For the Wikipedia project, they've already have their Incubator to update there. And now it seems they also try to build their Wiktionary at the same time[1]. I am here to request for them to create their Incubator for Wiktionary.

Also, I saw some discussion about Ancient Greek Wikipedia project. And it seems that for now, they cannot get their site. In the case of Thao Wikiproject, also as an "ancient" or like extinct language, is it possible for them to get their site if they still stay active for a few months?

Thank you.Iyumu (talk) 08:57, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I also support both Wikipedia and Wiktionary projects of Thao. They are active on Incubator recently. It will be good news for them if they got a chance to request again for Thao Wikipedia.Ripunn (talk) 10:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Need Apporoval for Sinhala Wikiquote[edit]

Why is there no official site for wq/si (https://incubator.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wq/si/) yet? How should we contribute for get approval? I kindly request that you approval Wikiquote Sinhala for Sri Lankan users. Shanuka Shehan Kumara (talk) 06:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

@Shanuka Shehan Kumara: Because ehh, as per [3], you're the only contributor for now, do you have at least two of your friends, that can join contributing with you? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:57, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Bahaso Jambi[edit]

I propose for the Committee to verify the eligibility of Wikipedia Bahaso Jambi. The activity seems good in the past couple of months and could be on track for approval. dwadieff 10:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)