User talk:Pathoschild/Archives/2007-07

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{{PD-AR-Presidency}} images


I saw that you are changing the license of the {{PD-AR-Presidency}} images to CC-by-2.0 ([[[commons:Special:Contributions/Pathoschild|the|changes]]]) aline with some OTRS message with the ticket #2007042610015988.

Please tell me:

Regards --ALE! ¿…? 21:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Please also inform here about the outcome of the deletion request. --ALE! ¿…? 21:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Since the licensing is just a release under the Creative Commons attribution license, a separate license template is redundant, adds unnecessary confusion for reusers, makes filtering by license more difficult, and unnecessarily increases the complexity of bot parsing. Instead, I will rename and change {{PD-AR-Presidency}} to a shortcut template. Thus, using {{subst:cc-ar-presidency}} will place the license information I am placing.
Yes, I will update the documentation and discussions when I am done. —Pathoschild 22:13:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have to "subst" the template instead of just include it by {{CC-AR-Presidency}}? Is there a good reason? --ALE! ¿…? 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
This makes it easier for bots to parse the licensing, since substituting places the real license. I don't feel strongly about substitution either way; maybe you could ask which is preferred on Commons:Village pump, or just change the instructions if you feel strongly about not substituting. —[[{{PD-AR-Presidency}}User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 04:37:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
It is not common on Commons to subst a template so I will change this. --ALE! ¿…? 07:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Could you please add the template to the images using the new license and delete the subst-ed text? Thank you! --07:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll do that tomorrow. If you'd like to start in the meantime, see a generated list of images with the substituted code. —Pathoschild 06:12:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone with a bot can give you a hand? --ALE! ¿…? 21:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
That would be nice, but it's not the reason I haven't done it yet. I simply have too many things to do at once. :) —Pathoschild 23:36:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Done. —Pathoschild 17:12:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


Language subcommittee

closure of closure proposal

Hi Pathoschild, the proposal to close the Inuktitut Wikipedia has been overwhelmingly rejected by the community, but is still not marked as closed. Meanwhile this wiki has also come to life, due to a native speaker who has shown considerable activity. So I would say the proposal is clearly obsolete. Would there be anything I could do to speed up the process? --Johannes Rohr 11:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello. That process is managed by the community, so you can propose the closure of the proposal yourself; for example, see how other requests were closed. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:04:13, 02 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi and thanks, No, while the closure of the Inuktitut wiki has been almost unanimously rejected, there is a broad majority for closing the Kanuri Wikipedia. A while ago I updated discussion status to "inactive" and I would say that now, after almost half a year, it's time to announce the final verdict, which would be "close". However, I'm not sure whether it is acceptable if I simply go ahead and do this. Finally - should I then forward the the result to the Board of Trustees? If so, do they have an address? Would the Wikimedia foundation-l mailing list the right recipient? Greetings and thanks for your assistance, --Johannes Rohr 18:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Looking at the process, it seems that you would indeed need to forward it to the board. To do so, you would contact one of the board members, probably the executive secretary Erik Möller. A discussion on Foundation-l might help confirm your decision. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:44:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Pathoschild, some weeks ago I left a message on Erik's talk page to which he chose not to respond. If I understand this message correctly, he generally does not wish to get involved with closure proposals. While fully understand that, it looks like nobody who would have any authority wants to get involved: Erik says, the stewards should be the one, you and other stewards say that stewards don't have the authority. GerardM says, the langcom doesn't, either, unless there is a policy. His closure policy draft has gone largely unmentioned. So for the moment "community managed process" translates as "nobody cares".
While it admittedly makes little difference, wether the Kanuri Wikipedia is closed or not, I'm just increasingly irritated by the complete lack of action. In fact, I'm pondering the idea of requesting the deletion of WM:PCP, because of its undeniably defunct state.--Johannes Rohr 16:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Since nobody wants to confirm the decision, I suggest you appeal directly to the developers (by filing a bug report) as has historically been done. This is usually a slow process, but it will be done eventually. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:28:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Done that, see [1]. I also suggest that the proposals to close the Low Saxon Wikiquote and the Old English Wikisource could be closed some time soon. Both projects are virtually empty and there appears to be unanimous community support for closing them. (I will notify Erik of my intention) --Johannes Rohr 17:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Two years ago latgalians started test-wp. One years ago latgalians requested for WP. After some time project was approved and they waited for long time. The police have been changed and once again - latgalians again don't have anything. I (not latgalian but samogitian - nation brother) made request again and after some time I see that new request deleted, old request became new and again rejected. Where is police? Zordsdavini 12:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

OK. I have to say sorry - You moved page and didn't change in main page, so automatically was token old one. I change it. But now shows that latgalian request has been started on 11 of april. Zordsdavini 13:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Sorry about that. The date is a minor technical glitch, and it won't affect the proposal. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 18:23:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello once more. You have deleted users from the summery which I have put because they don't understand policie here. Their are still writing strong support. So I put tham in summery. One od proposal incubator:user:Stiernits has wrote 90% of test-wp, but during all these reforms, he put himself out of this burocraty. So, there are 6 users (stiernits (NP), garais (N), freens, kalvis.apsitis, aviators (N), zordsdavini (P)) who contribute to latgalian wikipedia but I can't them put here :( acording to the police GeradM deleted strong suports. I don't know what to do.
For now I has been asked for new prussian wikipedia to start (the same language familie like latgalian, samogitian, lithuanian, latvian). They don't have ISO to. There is "prg" for old prussian but for new one - no and this language is the most little but it is like latin or sanscrit in baltic culture. There are about 100 people who could speake in it. So, I'm in difficulty. For now I don't know to give proposal or not, but I decided after latgalian wikipedia will be started (it sould be) I would give proposal for wikibooks and wikisource for baltic family, which could hold samogitian (wikipedia allready started and has ~1200 real articles), latgalian (test-wp has ~260 articles) and new prussian. The ISO should be "bat" (it is). Lithuanian and latvian have or should have their own wikibooks and wikisource, because they have bigger communities.
So, at first - could You help me for this old proposal which allready was finnished, but during reform was lost? Zordsdavini 09:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

To prevent abuse, users can only add themselves to the 'community' field. For example, most users who support requests do not actually intend to edit the project thereafter. If users add themselves to the community field, they don't need to add 'support' to the discussion unless they have new arguments to present. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:53:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Algero-moroccan arabic Wikipedia

Since there is no body interested but me, I give up, i propose to reject this request.Toira 20:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Rotuman

I've started the test page for Wikipedia Rotuman (see request here and test page here) and would like it listed on this page. How should I go about it? BTW do I need to become an administrator (in meta, en.wikipedia or incubator) to create the new wikipedia, or help it's testpage's development? --Mattbray

Hello Mattbray. I've added it to the page; please remember to add all pages to subcategories of incubator:Category:Rotuman Wikipedia. You don't need to any special access to begin the test project; simply start editing, and invite anyone else who would like to participate to do so as well. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 02:12:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Interface translation

Hi! Could you please answer some questions here Don Alessandro 20:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I've responded there. Thanks for poking me; I usually notice questions within a few hours, but I somehow missed the April 22 comment. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 01:41:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Kabyle wikipedia

Hello, I've seen you've submitted the kabyle wikipedia to the developpers, how long do you think it'll take to set it up? Agurzil 13:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

It should be any day now; it depends on the developers. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:46:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Ao wikipedia

Hello, I got the message that Ao wikipedia has been partially approved as also the subsequent tasks to be done.However I am confused as I am not too used to here. I find it diffiulct to comprehend the translation stuff.Could you help me in taking th next step? THANKS. Tsuranger

You need to edit a test Ao Wikipedia on the Incubator wiki (the test is at incubator:wp/njo). You can simply begin adding articles there, and they will be moved to the Ao Wikipedia when it is created. All articles should be placed in incubator:Category:Ao Wikipedia or a subcategory by adding [[Category:Ao Wikipedia]] on the page. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:05:33, 01 May 2007 (UTC)
Translator Group
How do I join this group? Could you help me to join? --Tsuranger
The translator group is only on the 'BetaWiki' (where the interface is translated). You don't need to join any group to edit on the 'Incubator' (where the test project is developed). Simply login as normal or even edit without registering. I hope that helps. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:36:05, 02 May 2007 (UTC)

Your resignation

Hi, it's sad to see you resign from langcom. I understand that it must have been a heavily time-consuming task, so I won't complain. I just wanted to say kudos for all your work.--Johannes Rohr 21:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:36:05, 02 May 2007 (UTC)

Kabyle Wikipedia

Ahh! I feel good! finally! thanks for your job.Agurzil 22:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for all your work. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 22:17:35, 06 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, as you promised, i'm here to ask you about how to administrate the :

  • The upload is not enabled (that's something good) but how can we upload and protect the wikipedia logo? [2]
  • How do we change the default font?
  • How do we add special caracters in the toolbar?

Thanks in advance. btw you're french? Agurzil 22:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm bilingual; I can speak English and French.
  • I would suggest uploading to the Wikimedia Commons, adding the logo to Category:Wikimedia official logos. If you tell me where you upload it, I'll have an administrator protect it so it can't be vandalized.
  • You can change the default font by editing MediaWiki:Monobook.css. With your permission, I can edit the stylesheet if you tell me what fonts you need.
  • Which characters do you need? I can add that at the same time; adding more after will be much easier that setting it up.
{admin} Pathoschild 22:59:18, 07 May 2007 (UTC)
  • The file is ulpoaded here [3],
  • You misundersood me, I don't want to change my monobook.css, I want to change the font for everybody who gets into the (especially for the visitors who use IE6),
  • The characters are these : ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? g G ? ? c C ? ? ? ?
Agurzil 23:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This is the font that should be the default one : style="font-family:Arial Unicode MS, Tahoma;" Agurzil 23:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The logo is protected, I added the insertion form at kab:MediaWiki:Edittools, and defined the font in kab:MediaWiki:Common.css (which applies to all users). You should see the fonts change when your browser cache is cleared. Do you need help changing the site logo to that image? —{admin} Pathoschild 01:34:52, 08 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, now you just need to change the image log ;-) Agurzil 23:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi again, it's still about the font, I've noticed no changements in the default font, btw the persian wikipedia dispays correctly the special characters under IE6, i've tried to had a lokk at fa:MediaWiki:Common.css, but it's too complicated to understand, which code forces IE6 to display the actual characters? Agurzil 09:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
If you can't know which it is, try to copy-paste the settings from fa:MediaWiki:Common.css unto kab:MediaWiki:Common.css, if it's not a big mess, then just keep it. Agurzil 09:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
After several trials, I think this code will work:
        font-family: Code2000, Code2001, "Free Serif", "TITUS Cyberbit Basic", "Doulos SIL", "Chrysanthi Unicode", "Bitstream Cyberbit", "Bitstream CyberBase", Thryomanes, Gentium, GentiumAlt, "Lucida Grande", "Free Sans", "Arial Unicode MS", "Microsoft Sans Serif", "Lucida Sans Unicode";
        font-family /**/:inherit;
With this code, all characters are displayed correctly under IE6. Agurzil 19:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Great. You can add the code yourself by replacing the line "* { font-family:Arial Unicode MS, Tahoma !important; }" in kab:MediaWiki:Common.css. I'm experiencing technical difficulties at the moment, so I won't be able to help with the logo until tomorrow. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:38:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
If i were able to do it, I wouldn't be bothering you, I don't have sysop rights (the page is protected!) Agurzil 06:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I've adjusted the stylesheet. I would suggest electing permanent administrators as soon as possible; if you need one now, you can request temporary administrator access. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:51:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Manchu Wikipedia

Almost sure that this project would not be accepted at the moment i would like you to suspend it temporarily that request while working on it, and then reformulation the request a little bit later because of lacking support (i'm trying to find Manchu speakers i know they still exist). I will never be on time before the deadline (final decision) to provide you an acceptable portal although i'm sure that it is feasible. Regards. Whlee 14:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I forwarded your message to a current member of the language subcommittee, since I recently resigned. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:25:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

May be Latgalian Approved?

The person who discused about Latgalian Wikipedia decided that Latgalian now have to show that it is living language - to make test wikipedia big (now there are ~325 articles):

  • The first bits of the ISO-DIS-639-6 have been published and you find Latgale as part of the Eastern Baltic Cluster where it is on the same level as Latvian and Lithuanian. Given that it has this recognition, an IANA language subtag is feasible.
  • The next question is, to what extend is it a living language.. For that we need to see a really lively Incubator. GerardM 07:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

So, how I looked to policy it is end of first step (till conditional approval). May be we can step to next stage. It is need for the community rebuilt of faith. Zordsdavini 13:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I've forwarded your message to talk:language subcommittee, since I am no longer a member of the subcommittee. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:01:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank You. Zordsdavini 05:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hakka Interface Translation Completed

All the interface messages (apart from the 273 "exif-*" messages) have been translated into the Hakka language. --Hakka 22:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations; I am no longer a member of the subcommittee, but I see you already notified Jon Harald Søby, who is. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 22:49:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
How do I import the system messages from Betawiki to --Hakka 23:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Jon Harald Søby or another subcommittee member will notify NikeRabbit, the developer who takes care of localization. He will import the messages as soon as possible. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:23:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou so much for your help! --Hakka 23:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Will the articles in the incubator project be imported to the proper wiki by a bot or does it need to be performed manually? --Hakka 00:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems this has been taken care of already. The localization files have been imported, and the interface at should be updated as soon as the files go live within a day or so. —{admin} Pathoschild 11:53:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Rotuman Wikipedia (Uikipitia Fäeag Rotuam)

Hi! Please change my betawiki account here a translator account so i can translate the interface messages.

Also, please be informed that the name of Wikipedia Rotuma should be, in Rotuman, Uikipitia Fäeag Rotuam, and the language called "Fäeag Rotuma"

Thanks in advance --Mattbray 00:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

You should have translator access now. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:11:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


Temporary access expired in cawiktionary

Hello SMP. The temporary access Krls obtained by your request has expired (see archived request). Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:26:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, thank you. In a few weeks we will see if our bureaucrat can come back. Could we use the same election that we did in order to reelect Krls as a temporary sysop if the bureaucrat does not come? --SMP (talk page) 15:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Yep. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:53:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, it seems that we do not have that problem anymore. Thank you! --SMP (talk page) 14:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 18:17:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

An award for you....

Hi Pathoschild, you do some excellent work for the entire Wikimedia foundation!

I appreciate your work as steward, and Wikipedia administrator! Keep the good work up!!

(I'm also known as w:User:SunStar Net too!)

BTW, do you know how to get transwiki import enabled?? I've got MediaWiki 1.93 running on a WAMP server, and enabled transwiki via mw:$wgImportSources but cannot import from Wikiquote or Wikibooks, anyone know why??

Cheers, --WiganRunnerEu 19:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Have you read Help:Guide for system administrators for setting up interwiki linking? —{admin} Pathoschild 19:51:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I used that as a guide to set up interwiki links, including to here. However, I'm having trouble importing like in wikibooks:Special:Log/import - I can't actually import from Wikimedia projects! --WiganRunnerEu 20:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest asking in #mediawiki on the freenode network, where several developers and MediaWiki-savvy users frequently idle. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:13:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Account hijacked??

I can't login to my account on the Cornish Wiktionary - and I think it may have been hijacked. I tried the same password as I used before, but it didn't work.

As I forgot to set email for the account, I can't send any to myself - is it possible to desysop the original account and rename it?? --WiganRunnerEu 08:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you ask developers in wikimedia-tech to set your email address for you, which will let you recover the account. However, you'll need to prove that you are the legitimate owner of the account; you could do so by linking to edits where your two accounts admit to having the same owner; for example:
When you select your new password, please consider password strength. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:55:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Temporary admin access on Xhosa Wikipedia

Greetings Pathoschild!

Thankyou for granting administrator access to User:Sangeeta.

Can you please grant me temporary access to Xhosa Wikipedia because there is some vandalism which needs to be cleaned. Thanks. --Jose77 01:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure; you're an administrator there until 20 April 2007. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:50:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou very much; May you prosper! --Jose77 01:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I have tried to delete the articles. However I cannot find the delete tab. Can you help me solve this problem? --Jose77 01:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
You should be able now; I was distracted before I actually assigned the flag. Sorry about that. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:05:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser request backlog

Thanks for the "confirmation" clarification. If you feel like it there are a couple of outstanding CU requests, one for Meta & one for en Wikiquote? Hate to ask but it is coming up two days now and it was quite an attack on Wikiquote - if not no problem & regards --Herby talk thyme 07:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll clear the backlog tonight. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:29:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

OK - thanks for doing it. Bear in mind I'm learning. Bear in mind I have a thing about crosswiki vandalism & exchange of information. The second IP you checked has no apparent history but the first one does. It was checked as follows - 15th on en wiki, 13th on en wiki and 13th on en books - the fact that CU tends not to be used unless there is a real reason (particularly on en wiki) suggests that there may be an issue with this IP. I realise that the activity may well be transient given the nature of IPs.

If you have the time & the patience I'd be interested in your views --Herby talk thyme 07:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hum - like I said I'm learning & should do my research more thoroughly. Still interested in your views but the IP with some history is indef blocked on en Wiki as a"blocked proxy". I'm off do the same in one or two places, regards --Herby talk thyme 07:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Both ISPs have many (possibly dynamic) IP addresses; which IP addresses are you checking? If you have access to related accounts who edited on different days, do they change address? —{admin} Pathoschild 16:45:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Given the accounts names they are going to be blocked on sight (I hope) so there will not be edits ongoing. The IP is and the WP block is here. There is a similar block on Books. So .... I am interpreting the information available to me. CU checks across wikis, block log actions on two of them, vandal style accounts created on a number of wikis at similar times, no valid edits on the IP anywhere. You may hear more from me (sorry!) about cross wiki vandalism control soon as it is something I feel strongly about (I plan to kick the meta vandalism page into some life in the hope of getting information shared. Vandalism will always be seen as "isolated" until information is collated (with apologies for the rant!), regards --Herby talk thyme 10:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
By the way - if I read Larry's comment on your rfcu correctly I would appreciate knowing if there are requests on Wikisource (I could see none at a quick look). I will happily support trusted community members in this - I know how hard it is to get these rights on a small wiki (I'm encouraging Wikiquote at present) --Herby talk thyme 10:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested in joining #wikimedia-checkuser on freenode, a private channel where checkusers can discuss, get help, and compare data. Since it is not public, we can share actual data there rather than vague confirmations. Lar was referring to a previous request; see "Voting begins on two for CheckUser access" and "Local CheckUser status in doubt". :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:05:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I take it the channel is an "invite" one - where would I go, who would I talk to to get on it? I'm not a big user of IRC but I am on from time to time.
Would I be right in thinking you still favour CU rights on smaller Wikis? It is something I will give some thought to --Herby talk thyme 08:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, access is by invitation (contact Dmcdevit or Angela). I'm more ambivalent about checkuser access on smaller wikis now, since steward response is usually under a few minutes in #wikimedia-stewards; it used to take days or weeks. I'd certainly favour a wider discussion to look at the benefits and problems, though. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:41:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Temporary admin access on Burmese Wikipedia

Greetings and Good Afternoon Pathoschild!

Can you please grant me temporary sysop priviledges on Burmese Wikipedia here. I wish to clean up spam; 1 week would be enough.

Thanks in advance. --Jose77 01:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Please request on that page and wait until a steward can take a look. I will look myself when I have time, so there is no need to ask again here. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:30:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Possible open proxy

We need your help here to ensure we are not facing a set of users using an open proxy server. Thanks in advance Huji 19:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. I shall tell you the IP in secret. O_O--Shanel 19:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Cross wiki vandalism issues

Aware of your interest this might be useful to you & you to the idea. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 12:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

It's a good idea; perhaps this would be useful on the countervandalism wiki? —{admin} Pathoschild 23:56:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the syssoping

You have been granted administrator access on the Greek Wikiquote until 01 September 2007 by your request (request, log). There is not enough input for permanent administrator access; please hold a new election then for permanent access, or ask to have your temporary access extended. Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:11:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I didn't see the entry in the permissions archive for the Greek Wikiquote. --Dead3y3 17:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that; I've corrected the link. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:24:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


Tarquin's administrator access on the French Wikipedia has been revoked by your request. Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:24:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick action. I'm going to ask to some other sysops that do not use their accounts if they accept to resign, so it is likely that I have some more requests in the coming weeks. See you. Clem23 14:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

adminship on sh.wiktionary

You have been granted administrator access on the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia by your request. Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:42:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Millosh 15:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Test Wiki Permission

Hi, just a friendly reminder that you fixed the link to, and noted on my request for permissions that you would process the request today. Cheers, Thunderhead 23:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You have been granted administrator access on the Test wiki until 01 July 2007 by your request. Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:08:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, thank you. Thunderhead 01:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Pardon my bothering you again, but I currently have access to a special page called "Pov Watch", although I haven't been assigned this right. I am assuming that this is a feature of the TestWiki only, but I wanted to bring it to your attention nonetheless. Thunderhead 01:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's probably a feature being tested there. It doesn't exist anywhere else as far as I know. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:21:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Alright, again, just wanted to make sure. Thunderhead 01:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

“Administrator dispute”

Greetings, Pathoschild. I have received, and hereby vow to comply with, your request to stop “to repeatedly overturn other administrators without discussion or consensus.” In turn, I would like to call your attention to the behaviour of w:ru:User:Boleslav1, an administrator, whom I accuse of exactly the described actions. I am now following the Dispute resolution guide in an attempt to resolve the matter formally. However, I might (as someone other admin did) seek the help of a neutral mediator among the stewards, for the lack of candidates within the Russian Wikipedia’s community. Could you help me in doing so? Sincerely, Ramir

Thank you. MaxSem is a Russian-speaking steward, so might be a good choice. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:05:20, 09 June 2007 (UTC)
Sadly, MaxSem took side in the dispute that resulted in the complaint to you, so he can not be a neutral mediator. I have already appealed to the local “Arbitration commitee”, but fear that the lack of separation of powers — the very matter of my appeal — may hinder all solutions to it. Ramir 23:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Certainly, I cannot be called neutral party in this case. Anyway, Ramir was blocked for personal attacks and unblocked himself. This will result in arbcom case. MaxSem 06:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I would recommend following other steps in the dispute resolution process before resorting to arbitration, but unfortunately arbitration may indeed be necessary. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:40:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)



I have been blocked... apperently for "stupidity." I think you're an administrator... can you help me? I was blocked off of Wikionary. My name on there is "Burn N Flare." Here's the message that says I'm blocked:

User is blocked
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Oh, and SemperBlotto blocked me from editing his talk page too... apperently. Which is why I came to you instead... unsigned by 19:22, 4 May 2007.

You created the page 'Talk:lolz' with nonsense content; some English Wiktionary administrators have a policy of zero tolerance for nonconstructive edits, so you were blocked without warning or a second chance. I suggest you register a new account if you would like to edit constructively. If you would like to make test edits, you can do so at 'Wiktionary:Sandbox'. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:53:18, 04 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it wasn't nonsense, at all. I really did make up the word. I thought that I would joke around a bit (the "w00t" thing). But I'm not kidding, I made up the word 2 years ago. I saw it spread, and I got curious and looked it up. Why did I get banned for that? I swear I'm not lying, it's not nonsense... I just want my account Burn N Flare because that's my nickname on everything. Reach me through my wikipedia account, same name- Burn N Flare. unsigned by 02:50, 5 May 2007.
English Wiktionary administrators are far less tolerant of new users than most other projects. Discussion pages should only be used for collaboration on the content of the dictionary pages, not for related comments. It's possible you did in fact invent the word, although I think it more likely to have been a reinvention. Unless you can verifiably prove that you are the original inventor, the information cannot be used in Wiktionary.
I am willing to unblock your account, but I suggest you do not make any jokes on Wiktionary, and that you provide references for any information you add. The English Wiktionary has a harsh community. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:06:19, 05 May 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I have no reason to welcome a person who denies his vandalism and says "I thought that I would joke around a bit", but it is anyway on your discresion. --Aphaia 03:33, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

It was a comment on a talk page, not vandalism; I think he really was joking, so if he set that aside he could be a good contributor. He does have a constructive account on the English Wikipedia, for example. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:40:32, 05 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikimedia project talk is not a place for making a joke. I don't think people have a right to make others' time waste to claim they made it on a good faith. --Aphaia 04:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree, and that's why I asked him not to make jokes in the future. However, I'm assuming that wasting users' time was not his intention and that, explained the rules, he would be willing to edit constructively. Many now-established editors made mistakes in the beginning, and had they been blocked without explanation they would probably not be established editors today. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:37:49, 05 May 2007 (UTC)
Um, the only joke was the "w00t" part. I'm not lying when I say this. I made up the lolz. I wasn't posting nonsense. I would NEVER EVER post something like that. I'm actually pretty mature, I'm just into all this slang they use. I know you probably don't believe me, but I want to thank you very much for unblocking me. I won't do anything dumb like that again. unsigned by 13:37, 5 May 2007.
You're unblocked; I hope the rest of your Wikimedia experience is more productive and enjoyable. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 23:53:00, 05 May 2007 (UTC)

dead-?camps blacklisted?

You have added \bdeath-?camps\.org to spam black list. What is the reason for adding this non-commercial site? It is used as a source reference in some Finnish articles. --Tbone 06:11, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I blacklisted those sites following a discussion in March–April 2007. After exhaustive research into the problem, I provided the following reasoning and summary:

Blacklisted per OTRS ticket#2007031910009401, this discussion, and the discussion on the en-Wikipedia administrator's noticeboard (and the second one). To simplify writing about the dispute, I'll refer to the parties involved by their respective websites (note the hyphens).

Death-camps appears to have forked from deathcamps (the former asserted this, the latter did not deny it when it was mentioned in the OTRS discussion), so to whom the intellectual property rights belong to (if either) is unknown. Although it would seem logical to blacklist death-camps (which sparked the debate by changing links to themselves), death-camps asserts that the fork occurred because of false information on deathcamps that they knowingly host. Examples and evidence are provided to back this claim, and they're plausible enough that it's not our place to make such a decision.

Further, both parties have openly stated that they placed the links themselves. This is a bad idea for the reasons described more fully at w:Project:Conflict of interest. Furthermore, deathcamps seems to be guilty of trolling and bad-faith changes from death-camps to deathcamps, even in discussions where is being specifically referred to (see the discussion).

Therefore, our choices are threefold:

  • blacklist death-camps and use deathcamps, and deliberately reference our articles to a website that knowingly hosts content that may be incorrect. The fact that it is registered with a free email address further damages their credibility.
  • blacklist deathcamps and use death-camps, and deliberately reference our articles to a website that may knowingly violate both intellectual property rights and [ the copyright] on the design and formatting.
  • blacklist both, avoid both legal and accuracy problems, and avoid the fighting between the two parties (one of which is sure to be unhappy to be blacklisted if one is, or unhappy that the other is not blacklisted if neither are).

Thus, I have blacklisted both. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:03:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

{admin} Pathoschild 14:30:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Request Open Proxy Unblock

Hi Pathoschild,

I have had a request for my IP,, to be unblocked for over five months as seen here. You are listed here as one user who has the ability to unblock an IP from this list.

I had previously ran a TOR server from this ip. You are welcome to scan it to verify that it is secure and longer running any open proxy. TOR has not been running in over a year now.

Thank you, Joshua

Unfortunately, the Meta project is no longer actively maintained due to a lack of interested contributors. I suggest you ask on the local chapters, such as w:Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:19:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for helping me with my Wiki, I got all links finally working :) It is now on Gcardinal 23:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:27:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for messaging you here, you probably have better things to do, but I would really enjoy some help with this problem :) If you have a spare minute please take a look at Thank you for your time ;) Gcardinal 03:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
This is caused by a known problem with all parser tags: the tagged content is evaluated before template parameters, so they cannot be used indirectly. The only solution is to use <bcode> on the same page. This does not reduce usability if the syntax is simple; for example, many extensions use newline-delineated syntax, as such:
Conjure Flame
Mark of Rodgort
Triple Chop
Axe Rake
Healing Signet
Resurrection Signet
Alternately, I suppose this could be used as well:
<bcode>Conjure Flame|Mark of Rodgort|Triple Chop|Optional|Dismember|Axe Rake|Healing Signet|Resurrection Signet</bcode>
{admin} Pathoschild 03:27:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh cool thanks, I knew I could solve it this way, I just was hopping that there was another way. I just wanted to keep input to my existing templates and just do all the work inside a template. Thx again for help ) Gcardinal 03:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:40:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Steward page archival

Hello Fabexplosive. Thank you for archiving Requests for permissions. You made a few mistakes in doing so, though:

  • The Tajik Wikipedia request was not yet answered; it was on hold for a week[4].
  • The Chinese Wikipedia request was only partially answered (only one of three users were de-sysop'd)[5].
  • The Belarusian Normative Wikipedia request was granted temporarily, so it should be archived to Requests for permissions/Approved temporary until access is removed[6].

I've fixed the above. Thanks. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 17:47:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, ok, thank you for rollback my error :-) --Fabexplosive 18:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:52:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

{{Other languages}}

Hi. If you are looking for a smart template, you may be interested by this. guillom 09:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I considered that method, but I wanted to support any language that translations might exist in. That unfortunately makes the template more complicated, though. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:41:46, 04 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Pathoschild. You left a message to User:Havelock in his user page instead of his talk page. I moved it. I am sending you this message just to let you know. --Meno25 15:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:56:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Archive of Requests for permissions

It seems that you archived several recent requests to Requests for permissions/Archives/2007/01 instead of Requests for permissions/Archives/2007/05. – rotemlissTalk 19:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed for dumbass. *runs*--Shanel 19:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, meanie. ? —{admin} Pathoschild 01:26:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Elections 2004

Thank you for your poking :) The system seems fine to me. It's a bit slight thing, but personally I prefer to name the pages so-and-so/en instead of so-and-so (and in English), not only since I prefer the former personally, in the past time some people including a candidate from non-English project complained about that. Just a note. --Aphaia 18:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Would redirecting ‘title’ to ‘title/en’ be better? —{admin} Pathoschild 20:07:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


Your unreasoning and unrelenting attacks on my efforts to improve things for the thousands has finally pissed me off. You dislike my work fine... this is a referendum on it then. In MHO, you are apparently an intolerant petty individual that just can't comprehend the way you relate to the world is far different than the way others do. // FrankB 21:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you're upset, but it seems to me that your 'referendum' has been held repeatedly. Can you spot the pattern?
{admin} Pathoschild 02:01:06, 03 June 2007 (UTC)

Your convenience

re: this

Is self-centered and unthinking as usual. Where's the discussion supporting this? This page is consistently named on every sister using the doc page pattern and should be maintained that way. Redirect the new name, don't create confusion for others by changing the status quo ante. If you want to get involved with TSP, I welcome the help, but don't continue such rash actions like a bull in a china cabinet. You have NO RESPECT for how your actions discommode others, only your own selfish whims. Did you at least clear up any double redirects you created? There were several other aliases if I recall. template:Template doc page pattern viewed directly (edittalklinkshistory) No. More slop from someone who is far more careless than I can continence! Grow up! Put this back where it belongs, and move it only if there's a consensus. It happens I like your name for it... I may just copy that to WP -- as the redirect it should be. That's the beauty of macros, you know, they cost nothing but a few microseconds at page compilation time. And nothing except a few bytes otherwise. // FrankB 20:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did take the time to correct double-redirects; the incoming link you found is a hidden link on a redirect page, with the redirect itself corrected. I also did leave a redirect from the old title. If you prefer to keep the name consistent, there is no problem linking to the redirected title in your templates. I'm sorry we're so much at odds with each other, but I do not think myself careless, childish, disrespectful, rash, self-centered, selfish, unthinking, whimsical, or any of the other names you've called me on other occasions. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:36:43, 04 June 2007 (UTC)
Key point -- then interwikitmp-grp is pointing the wrong place on one site or another... making updates an maintenance difficult. I don't think you appreciate the fact that that system is in part a safeguard and a way to check equivalence. It's supposed to and designed to stabilize the cannibalism wiki's are too prone to doing... such as your batch deletion proposal.
for what it's worth, I'm sorry we're at odds too, but damn if I can figure out how you sleep at night the way you've let yourself rape my work! You've cost me untold hours of grief. Be damn glad you weren't at arms length anywhere over this weekend. Posting the counterpoints has calmed me some... but hope I don't think about the days work I lost doing that!
As to yours, I was leaving this as a peace offering but it's simply too long. Besides, Lar interrupted me and assures me your a technical whiz, so you probably know all of this even if you don't see how you're attack on peoples work is an attack on them.

Templates copied from Wikisource
Inferior to common tools in long use like {{lt}}, {{lts}}, links is further complicated in that it requires extra typing to build the three links most necessary AND further adds a bunch of mostly useless links to the average editor, though they may have some utility to an occasional control freak, and a rare admin. // FrankB 21:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

(Sorry, but to be frank -- what use is half of that save on rare occasions?)

  • While {{links}} does involve a slightly longer text string than {{lts}}, it combines many older templates, is memorably and descriptively named, and automatically switches between relevant links for any namespace or pseudonamespace. This contrasts with the templates you argue in favour for above, which require the memorization of a great number of templates named more for saving bytes than for being memorable or descriptive. For example, {{links}} performs the functionality of {{lts}}, {{lts/}}, {{lcs}}, and {{lps}}; a version I'm coding now also performs the functionality of the crosswiki variants {{ltsany}}, {{IWG links}}, {{ltsmeta}}, {{ltsmta}}, {{ltswpd}}, and {{tiw}}. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:23:41, 02 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Piece of free advice -- don't bother -- trying to replace anything with it. Do go ahead and develop it. Someone like me may use it now and then, BUT!... First, there is no such thing as a universally acceptable tool. Everyone likes different things, and some people want a screwdriver, and others a hammer. Some screwdrivers are big enough to be used for some hammers, but tools are best optimized by task. Second, no one will use it save a few, and no one wants to give up simple tools for adding length and especially to add parameters. At best you could suppress the unnecessary links and end up with tiw, or put switches in it to control them and write a template filter to do what the simpler templates already do. That's why I added the SISTER= parameter to Tlx. It added capability, but didn't cost the users any sweat, plus that meant it could then do the specialty jobs you're criticizing. Well, don't write portable documentation, and YOU won't need them. We Do. Each of those other linking templates merely needs a "SISTER=" link like the ones you nominated for deletion. Lc for list category or La for list article is plenty clear enough for most people. Moreover, I've personally tested that syntax to both French and German wiki's of various kinds.

      But for most uses of links, {{tiw}} is more than enough most times now that the doc page pattern documentation has overcome the old flawed system of invisible documentation and usage. I'm rather fond of THAT page as I asked the questions that got the whole ball of talk about such started and put into place. Further, the KISS principle needn't apply inside code, but that's why Template:Cms-catlist-up (edit talk links history)on [w:] and Template:Wpd-catlist-up (edit talk links history) are mere filters for Template:Catlst (edit talk links history)on [w:], better names, and they do all the work for people that are already burdened and busy. Keep in mind people aren't desiring to think a bout a tool--they just want to grab it and run without a distraction onwards with whatever thoughts they are trying to hold onto as they use it. It's much like the guy that buys a drill. He didn't buy that because he wanted a drill, he did that because he wanted a hole!

      Your parameters on Links will take them out of those thoughts. Composing anything takes concentration, so breaking it is not a good thing--they may already be overdue somewhere. Even {{Ut}} has that quirk, at least until one is familiar with seeing it. But so does [[W: ... ]] or nowiki or even '=='. I'm sure you can cope.

      You and I apparently are diametrically opposed-- the more tools the better for me. The less for you. I click "{...}" far easier and far more often than [... ] comes to hand. These days I goof up wikilinks in articles half the time! Shrug -- same keys, but writing portable links documentation makes it come up more often than not.

      But the cost of 'your way' is too high, it impacts other peoples time and effort and causes frustrations and aggravation, loss of concentration, and ultimately, editors who go away and never come back to an environment where things are always changed by someone paving the road to hell--you know--the one with the signs saying "good intentions". (And look at what those got ME with TSP! Harrrump!) Almost everyone learns by copying someone's examples when it comes to templates. Even people that have been writing commercial software since '76 like me. Template syntax with the over used operators is confusing and hostile. You want to help people with templates, help us put together a template manual any dum-dum can read and understand. God knows my prose needs copy editing from someone else. I find it very hard to know what is techie these days, and what is digestible to the lay editor. Hence I know I error on putting too much in. Well, cutting is easier than getting the facts straight-- usually. See {{catlst/doc}} if you need proof of that!

      I'd be lying to you if I said I was sorry for getting nasty above, but your actions have been very distressing and I think them as very intolerant and selfish. Just directing a question about why something is this or that way would have me thinking far differently, but after that (totally wrong) interjection on the commons, I was upset for days. You mixed up the same apples and oranges here with that wikipedia mention in your table., TSP has nothing to do with categorizing Maps and connecting their categories or other categories sister to sister like {{interwikicat-grp}} Just as a subtemplate IWG links has no relation to your {{links}} or whatever. Each tool has a task it's best for. You are, it would seem, busy thinking of you, not of the other editors. (Wait till you hit fifty-- you'll hate changes too. Maybe you already have-- so have trouble grasping abbreviations.)

      Irrelevant really. Doing tricks to someone's memory by making something go missing he's used to is very cruel, especially when it's avoidable, and virtually everything you nominated is used by someone. When they next reach in the tool box will the tool be there? What happens to their peace of mind when it's not? It takes them completely out of the moment and whatever they were focused on, that's what. They first assume a typo or spelling error. Then get vexed after trying two or three other things, then finally may check the template page... all of which is time and peace of mind YOUR WAY costs them. And that happens to dozens or hundreds of others every single time something is unnecessarily displaced (which includes deletions) on a wiki. It's cruel.
Best regards, I try my best not to hold grudges, so pax but this is damn close to strike three. Maybe I fouled this one off, but this is certainly at least the second time you've cost me a whole days work. I won't belabor the sleep either. But you really have attacked TSP here indirectly, and if these templates loose, that looses. I'm done fighting for it and will definitely put Wikimedia Foundation behind my present and future. It's the only price I can charge, and you've seen my CC'd email to Jimbo by now. Sweet dreams! I know I need some after this nightmare! // FrankB 01:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand how linking to a redirect makes maintenance more difficult. You will be transparently served the correct page, and the template on Meta will correctly link to the old template names on other wikis. That said, I do not favour the crosswiki uniformity you do— I prefer that each wiki have a set of very simple, easy-to-remember templates coded specifically for the needs and usage of the local wiki (what you seem to refer to as ‘cannibalism’).
Crosswiki uniformity hampers improvement by requiring that any change be propagated to every wiki (requiring consensus on every wiki involved), or risk the improvements being overwritten despite local support in the next synchronization. The need for achieving global consensus would eventually lead to a situation where no change is accepted, and every improvement creates a new generation of renamed templates to circumvent the need to achieve this consensus. En lieu of this, I would favour a centralized project where wikiML-savvy users from all projects gather and provide technical assistance upon request. This achieves the same objectives, but does not result in the uniformity quagmire I described above.
Regarding the extra links in {{links}}, I've repeatedly stated my support of a simpler version akin to {{tim}} that can link to any project. What I object to is coding a single template for every interwiki link needed, and making such links to non-English projects impossible.The proposed crosswiki {{links}} is very simple, no more than an extension of normal wiki syntax: [[w:template:foo]] ? {{links|w|template|bar}}. If this disrupts their line of thought, they are likely to be so-disrupted anyway when they must use wiki syntax. If absolutely necessary, simple template macros could be created to simplify this. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:13:14, 06 June 2007 (UTC)

Agree-were poles apart

on the "linking to redirect" query. The answer there is the role of {{IWG links}} -- in the next pass, Wpd and Mta and Cms will all be direct links for checking links, editing, or seeing history. With a redirect on one site, we'll see the history of the redirect page, edit that instead of the template page when going to update, and seeing what links to the redirect, not to the main working templates. So there is a cost, not least as some confusion is bound to result at some point.

On "hampering improvements" -- our thesis is these are well matured and stable templates -- see below. The worst thing one can do with such is replace them. The next worse, change them unnecessarily. Piffle on a cosmetic change or interwiki, most tools templates have been in use for several years and should just be catelogged and written into help pages so more people know they're around. Not deleted because someone thinks it's neater to have less templates around, and are annoyed or something because there are names they don't recognize. But the fallacy there is their NEAT LITTLE WORLD is artificial to that site alone. Only residents know the "Local Set"-- I'm trying to help the greater traveling populations, not the dedicated Wiktionarian, or Wikisourcian who hardly step outside the milieu. Not having the same tools on all English (Or French or German) Wikis is what offends me. Not having a comprehensive guide to a set of stable templates offends me. Why doesn't it offend you that so many have to go without even knowing what's there without anyone raising a hand to help?

The "Cannibalism" I meant is the act or any actions wasting peoples time unnecessarily by taking tools away from some idealistic thought you are improving things by stealing things they are comfortable with, or worse some notion that you and few others have either the wisdom or the perspicacity to know what others need or want. Truly, the whole idea that limiting a set of tools repulses me, but then my basement and garage are admittedly flooded with tools as I respect them. To put it one way, who gives you the rights individually or collectively to make that sort of decision for people? Who died and left you king? So you find something like {{Ute}} confusing or cryptic, but have you bothered trying it a few times when you want to check something out or to retrieve a link Y C Subway like this while writing a paragraph? (Note the discussion on that link is pertinent below on the "changes" in the environment that follows.) But it also didn't take another tab or browser window, nor much time to bring back to this text in mid composition.

As to the proposed syntax of your "simplified links", the only problem I have with it is that you are forcing parameters that should and could be defaulted with a minor suffix or prefix—that and your notion that it should replace and supercede anything else. If this is the mode, why not have the parameters rearranged and manifest so that namespace, and sister default to some local namespace and save people typing. (A switch would do that easy enough) {{links|bar|template|w}} and {{links|bar}} as well as {{links|goober|category}} would be much more often used as template and w need never be specified, or whatever.

returning to the section title
(Sorry, I'm basically writting this in three stages, bottom to top over the course of my day as I could return to it.)
  1. A few versus Whatever and however many enables editor efficiency.

  2. Yes, I was hoping locking down the tools templates would stabilize them and make them static. All the unnecessary debating, discussion and stealing resources from one group because some elitest group of busibodies doesn't have the commons sense and maturity to put themselves in the other guys shoes, or the self-awareness to see they're pushing past a limit that should be personal preference. For what gain? Where's the benefit to inflicting "Their way" on others? But, oh, the harm is evident. Then the tit for tat cliques form and the edit wars begin. Frankly, that's what inspired the system of interconnecting them in the first place.

  3. TOO DAMN much is in flux on wiki's as it is. That sort of thing needs counterbalanced in a big way, so far as I'm concerned. So why not introduce somethings that people can count on if they start wiki-hopping as you and I do between here, the commons, wp, and probably a few other sites? The price is a few measly kilobytes of storage, and perhaps an occasionaly lookup of a template one is unfamiliar with. Note it (TSP) also should 'tamp down' the license some of the young bucks feel to make minor and trivial efforts at improvement in something that works fine as is.

    A couple of months back one fellow unilaterally changed the default format of (Tlx) so it didn't use <tt> and </tt> which is a feature it was designed with forethought to contain--Tl compressed wikilinks, especially on short template names too much. So yes, TSP's a curb on changes as it's meant to be— but that's generally a good idea on things which should be fundamentally stable, in a place and environment which itself and most all of it's parts is changing "all too much" as it is. Wouldn't you agree? Or do you really like having to relearn what the standard is "Today" when it was something else a few months ago? {{2}
  4. Any truly good improvement to something is easy to sell or doesn't change normal expected behaviors impacting the historic way others have used such (e.g. Adding "|SISTER=" to Tlx makes it have much more flexible a scope, yet changed nothing locally). Appending the three letter mnemonics WPTSP has used for each sister flows from that so Tlxwpd will always link in usage displays to "Wpd", Wikipedia. Tlxmta to "Mta", which is to say some template that originates here. Is it a costly extravagance to then to front such as are capable by programming of parameters such as your "links" to something simple and easy to use without parameters because they fill in the blanks? No, it's but common sense, for then people use it for it's easy to use. Just having an easy to remember name is useless by itself if it's hard for people to hang-- if they even have to slow down to figure out how to use it and loose concentration on the task on their mind. Only those who use something often can remember all the parameters, or most of any template using parameter coding, so the KISS principle is best— which means more names must be used. Since named parameters are more difficult to recall (along with which goes with what template) I've generally found it best to use place sensitive parameters, so called numeric parameters for general tools where ever possible. If one hangs a template which takes three numeric parameters "wrong", the worst that can happen is the parameters will be out of order, and that can be easily caught in preview and corrected, because what does show up is the programed fields, in the wrong places--making for an easy correction.

So you and I are indeed far apart. My way leads to a lot more templates, which I don't require you to use, yours leads to a few over complex ones with complex syntaxes which you expect others to have an interest and desire to learn. Mine, one replaces one or two parameters, makee-learnee; yours' you need to figure out what's legal, and in what order, and so forth. Admittedly my rear-end "working templates" like "Template:Catlst (edit talk links history)on [w:]" has neither an user friendly name, nor is the programming syntax easy to understand without a few trials, but that's why it's powerful as a backdoor template, and only meant to be called by a front-end template such as Template:Cms-catlist-up (edit talk links history)--which needs only data, not the options.

I think that approach, is respectful of editor's needs and time, and enhances the power of the utility.

New business

I see by email you've been fiddling with categories on the XXXXXtmp templates and such.

Be advised any 'XXXXtmp' template suffixed with '1' is/was a "dead end" that can and should be cleaned out ASAP. (I'm linking in from an email notification on 'Commonstmp1'). The ones suffixed were "to auto-categorize differently", one way or another, and interwikitmp-grp is generally now used in preference in any event. The new version has/will have a command parameter "OFF" defaulting solely to those explicitly listed, not every "Normal sister" so is quick and easy to "Hang".

For example, to use an unlikely example seeing as how neither project wants the system at the moment:

  • {{interwikitmp-grp|OFF=1|WDY=1|WSR=1|V=2}} would link-list {{PAGENAME}} on Wikisource and Wiktionary with no others listed to auto-category "interwiki link templates" (per V=2... this later being the categorization control parameter).

There aren't many, but feel free to consider them bulk nominated for "db-author", which if IIRC, on Meta is "{delete}" or "{Delete because}"

Have a good week. // FrankB 23:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted Template:Commonstmp1, which seemed to be the only such template. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:01:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Multilingual speeeeeeedy deletions

Hey Pathie, thanks for your template and your mass-conversion of Multilingual speedy deletions/Bot-reported :) I've updated DellieBot to handle the new templates. I was wondering if we should put back the headings (== gv.wikipedia ==, for example), because they might help if a local administrator wants to check the list periodically to see if anything in his/her wiki needs deleting. Although if the intended audience is stewards, then headings might not be all that necessary. Putting them back is not at all difficult, since I just need to uncomment two lines--Dellie still sorts all items by wikiname, so internally everything is sorted already. Let me know what you think! Cheers, Tangotango 06:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I fixed {{msd-link}} because some of the links were non-functional :) - Tangotango 06:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, feel free to readd the headers. Thanks for the corrections. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:37:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Other languages/Board elections/2007/FAQ

I noticed your change at Template:Other languages/Board elections/2007/FAQ. While it's practical to sort by language code, the change also meant that Norsk comes before Nederlands, so what is shown is not the alphabetical order. Since a choice has to be made, I think it makes the most sense to let those who are involved enough to edit deal with a non-alphabetical order, and let other readers get the languages in alphabetical order. Any thoughts? Cnyborg 20:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I would generally prefer sorting by language code, since this is more stable and self-evident; with sorting by label, editors may not realize that there's a sort order and add new links at the end of the list. (We encourage anyone who can translate to edit, which is why there is an "[add links]" link.)
Further, the {{#language:}} labels might change any time someone edits the localization files, so that sorted lists would slowly unsort themselves. There is also the problem of sorting multilingually— does العربية (ar) come before or after 日本語 (ja)? Is ‪Norsk (bokmål)‬ (nb) sorted as Norsk or bokmål? Should British English (en-uk) be sorted before or after English (en)? —{admin} Pathoschild 20:42:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, I'll buy that. Cnyborg 22:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Board elections/2007/Translations

You tell Board elections/2007/Translations is a multilingual page but it is only in English !!!! Strange idea for multilingualism ! i created an esperanto version to help myself translating candidates statement --- some 2007 candidates were candidates in 2006 .... so it is not necessary to make all the stuff again ! If the page is moved in my personal space, it would be less easy to work with. But do as you want : I understood that multilingualism doesn't work really here. The "community" works only with English, not English speaking people are not welcome. This year it's worst as last year : more English speaking candidates, less not native English speakers ! It's going better and better ! Chears ! Arno Lagrange  20:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I feel ridiculous you say "it would be technically impossible for the template to check the thousands of recognized languages" ; in practice there are less than twenty translations; and instead to check if there are red links ("(rm redlinks (feel free to add links once the translation is ready))")it is easier to have a list with 30 to 40 probables languages and eventually sometimes add one if necessary. And I think funny you name your action "restoration" when you only revert my suggestion to make the template automatic. "(restored {{other languages}} (allows any language [even "en-uk"]" - and why not en-uk ? Arno Lagrange  18:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
'Restore' means to 'to bring back to a former, original condition'1, which is what I did. I do not consider this to be ridiculous. While I agree that an automatic template would be great, it is not currently practical and would not truly be automatic. Pages are translated into many languages, not always common. For example, Board elections/2005 exists in 35 languages, including some uncommon languages like Old English (ang). Further, we may not want to so prominently link to certain pages— works in progress, redirects, placeholders, et cetera.
While I understand your concerns about the content of Board elections/2007/Translations being English, this is a largely technical restriction. The primary purpose of the page is to compile a list— this would be impractical if many translated lists had to be updated, and is not so important as to need a template. A possible solution would be to merge the instructions into one block, and use the Language select feature to display multiple translations on one page. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:46:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


re: Misplaced comment?

Hello drini. In "Igbo Wikipedia" (RFP archives, April 2007), there is a comment in your name dated 18 January 2007. However, the discussion itself is dated April 2007 and there was no access granted in the period described by your comment. Was the comment intended for another discussion? —{admin} Pathoschild 18:13:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes it was misplaced, I thnk my copy and paste to the archives gto mixed up. The permission was granted for Catalan wiktionary, see [7] drini [es:] [commons:] 22:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

English Wikipedia - hardblocking TOR?

Hi, there's been discussion on Wikipedia lately about routinely hardblocking TOR. Since I don't want my own work used to block me, I've deleted my contributions to this page: Meta:WikiProject on open proxies/Tor. If Wikipedia does make it policy to hardblock all TOR nodes, is there anything that can be done about the edit history? Thanks, Armedblowfish (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Unfortunately, deleting your contributions to that page will not make much difference. Any concentrated effort to block Tor will use automated network scans; the list on Meta is not much maintained, and certainly nobody will look through the history for unblocked entries. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:49:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, if no one looks, it doesn't matter. If they use the automated network scans, that's fine. Thanks, Armedblowfish (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

CheckUser logs

How do you make it global on your own MediaWiki installation?? As it is, I have 7 installations, and 5 of them have the CheckUser.

Is it possible with this extension to get global logs for all projects that have it?? --Ralsurr 12:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how wikis share data; try asking in #mediawiki on freenode. Several developers are available there who might be able to answer your question. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:44:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pathoschild, I wish to upload the Hakka Wikipedia logo, however I have encountered this problem hence nobody is currently able to upload any files onto Hakka Wikipedia. Can you help me solve this problem? --Hakka 21:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Problem solved. --Hakka 22:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Help with categories on my wiki


I just was wondering if you by any chance could help me with my wiki on I am having hard time understanding how all categories on my wiki work as they all are based on templates and other templates again. So maybe you could find a min to guide me a bit? Thx Gcardinal 16:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Could you be more specific about what trouble you're having? —{admin} Pathoschild 22:40:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposal regarding checkuser

Hello Mr Pathoschild. I`m new wikipedian of en.wikipedia & metawiki and older in I`m so glad to meet you, because you`re an admin of wiki. in this manner, I have proposal for the better user cheking for sockpuppet in wiki.

Now, your processed agent strings is only software agent like kind of browser or operation system. in this manner, in the some browsers like IE or firefox, and operation system like xp or vista that have used by many general users, couse the mistake in cheking the users. in some country like Iran, the IP addresses is shared between many users in an ISP and maybe all the people of one city in Iran have same IP. further, some of realy sockpuppet users (that unfortunately not a few in can change browser and operation systems in short time and escape from checkusers. unfortunately it couse to born the very bad user bands that prevent growing wiki project and decrease contributions, specialy in that I cooperated in it.

For solve this problem, I propose that design the cookies for register the further hardware information about user`s computers in mediawiki software. it`s very better than software agent string, because changing the hardware doesn`t possible in short time and so comfortable.

I hope that my idea be suitable for this great project and you use it.

Best regards
--Gordafarid 15:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Gordafarid. Thank you for your suggestion, but I recommend you instead speak with Aaron Schulz, a developer of the checkuser tool. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:06:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thanks a lot Mr pathoschild for your recommendation, because I`m a new user of wikiworld and don`t acquaint the metawiki as well. in this manner I said it to you and do apologize for this wrong. further, If you have any work that think I can do it, I`m in wait for you. best regards,--Gordafarid 18:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:56:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

sorry again, I do your previous recommend[8], please check it that I do it corecct? then, I have another propesal in[9], if you can, help me about it. with shame,--Gordafarid 19:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, those look good. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:31:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello father

Woe is me. *sits in the corner and mopes*--Emochild 02:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not therapy. Cbrown1023 talk 02:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps so, but maybe Meta is? —{admin} Pathoschild 02:27:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Pathoschild, I have to ask, who is the mother? Cbrown1023 talk 02:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Pathosmother, of course. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:33:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Abandonned by my mother, ignored by my father... *weeps*--Emochild 02:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Archive your talk page

Too long. *pokes you with a stick*--Shanel 05:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Oui, madame. ♥ —{admin} Pathoschild 20:33:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser request

Would you be a dear and check User:Karlapatriziaharman1001 User:Todber guissanod, and User:Datriodarius? They all created spam pages in userspace, (Including yours :O ) Each registered and spammed right after I blocked the previous one. If lar has checked them, by the time you read this, you may go back to lazing. No cabbage stealing, though.--Shanel 21:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I blocked Finneytim, registered by the same user. The users are registered from several different Internet service providers, so blocking the IP addresses would be difficult and probably ineffective. The best solution might be to block each new account until they tire of the futility of their efforts. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:32:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)



re: Block templates deleted

Hello BuickCenturyDriver. I've deleted several templates you recently created in accordance with prior community decisions (templates, categories). We decided that such blocks should be tagged with {{indefblockeduser}}, with any additional information in the block log. I'm sorry for deleting any work you put into them, but please do not recreate them without demonstrating a change in community consensus. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me on my talk page. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 05:48:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

That's okay. I didn't know that you that the templated I created were deleted before. I removed them from my front page and if I need to use them, I'll use my subspace if that's okay with you (e.g. User:BuickCentryDriver/abctmplate). BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 09:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. If you do create personal templates, please remember to categorize pages to Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages (except sockpuppets). :) —{admin} Pathoschild 18:32:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

re: IP blocks

Hello NawlinWiki. When indefinitely blocking IP addresses, as you did, please remember to place {{indefblockedip}} on the user or user talk page for tracking purposes. Please also see recommendations against indefinitely blocking IP addresses. Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 07:49:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note on IP blocks. The indef blocks that I gave were for spambots that were creating fake talk pages solely to post spam links. These accounts never have any legitimate edits, and some resumed spamming after prior temporary blocks. What kind of block do you think they should be given? NawlinWiki 13:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Oddly, belongs to Microsoft Corporation. It might have been a compromised proxy. If it spams repeatedly, I would suggest blocking for a few weeks or months; particularly with a company like Microsoft, that should be more than long enough to correct any compromise. It did have some legitimate edits just a few days before you blocked it. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:27:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

re: Your userpage and talk page

It looks like your pages were deleted on accident [10] because Pathoschild (talk · contribs) thought you were a blocked user. I'd suggest contacting him/her about restoring them (it's an easy process). John Reaves (talk) 23:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I wanted to ask you, if you could restore my user page, please. If I understood correctly, you mistakingly thought I was a blocked user. But I'm not and never was. It would be nice, if I could get my old page back. Thanks in advance. Neville Longbottom 23:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Neville Longbottom. I noticed the same thing a few days ago and contacted the user who placed {{indefblockeduser}} on your user page about it. I've restored your pages; I apologize for any inconvenience this mistake may have caused. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:30:04, 01 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi! I have noticed that you have blocked Computerbar@***.com and placed a request on WP:CHU. For the sake of archival, would need some kind of log by the user that request a username change. Could you email him to make a request on his take page? We can use the diff provided to rename him. Also, if possible could you alert him that his email id is on the image he has uploaded. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nichalp. I've emailed the user. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:24:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Community ban

If you could unblock and reblock User:Roitr and cite community ban in the block log. The discussion can be found here. Thanks, Navou banter / contribs 12:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Navou. I see the relevant user page has been updated accordingly; there is no reason to change the block reason, since it has not been affected by the later community ban. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:42:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


The Spamstar of Glory
Presented to Pathoschild for work both on Wikipedia and on Meta in fighting spam. --A. B. (talk) 14:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 14:38:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review concerning you

You might like to take a look at this --pgk 18:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:11:45, 04 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Booshakla sockpuppets

Hi. I suspect this user has more socks: User:Booshaklla, User:AbbyWrickler, User:Earlofyens, and User:Dime ond.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 06:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello JeffGent. I'm not aware of this user; a better place to mention it would be Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:21:20, 09 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:

Hi! On the 30th October, 2006 you placed an {{AOL}} tag on the above user page wich states that the IP address is indefinitely banned from editing. However the user is still able to do so as there are a number of vandalism edits, since October, the latest being to the Timeline of the Big Bang and Brighouse articles. in the last two days. Richard Harvey 18:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll look into it. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:00:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
It was probably a temporary glitch during major software updates yesterday; it should be fixed now. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:11:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Tony Eveready


You are preventing the Tony Eveready article from existing in its original form. This happened a few weeks ago, by Ryulong. I explained to him why the article was valid as it was, and he restored it. Now you have removed it again. This is getting ridiculous. The following is what I wrote to him. Also, if you still don't think you should revert the article to its original form, then please discuss that with Ryulong.

So you deleted most of this article because it was original research. I disagree with this because most of the information that was deleted is factual information. Here are some examples:

The entire section labeled The "Booyah" Video is all factual. It is a brief synopsis of one of Eveready's most famous films. Would this not count as original research if there was a citation to the video at the end of this section?

The section labeled Eveready's Technique merely explains the derivation and common use of a phrase that was invented largely due to the man that the article is about. This is both relevant and factual.

The section labeled Internet Meme and Beyond is very true. If you looks at popular internet sites that college students share information on, such as and, you will find that many students have joined groups that are based on Tony Eveready. Some examples are the groups "Dig tuh china then tone!", "Freak dat bitch out den tone!" and "Awww Tone." If these sources are cited, will this no longer be original research?

My most important point is that the parts of this article that were deleted are very similar to parts of other articles that are allowed to remain. My main example is the article about the recent film "Snakes on a Plane." The Snakes on a plane article has a section that is a synopsis of the movie, and a section entitled "Internet" which explains the online following that this movie developed. These are basically the same as the Tony Eveready article sections that were deleted. The Snakes on a Plane article even has a section about References in Popular Culture, which is also quite similar to the Internet Meme and Beyond section of the Tony Eveready article.

It seems to me that there is some kind of double standard here, and that you are being overly critical of the Tony Eveready article possibly for personal reasons (ie. you don't like the pornography industry). Are you still sure that you can delete the bulk of this article while leaving so many other articles that have the same 'violation' intact?


Jeffw245 17:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jeffw242. I do still disagree. Your argument that one case should not be improved because another case is equivalent or worst implies that the worst standards should be applied everywhere, which leads to a constant drop in overall quality. Rather, every case should be improved on its own merits. Double-standards can be resolved by applying the higher standards to the lower, rather than the reverse. For example, unreferenced material can be removed from the article about Snakes on a Plane.
If you would like to add content to the article, please cite reliable sources such as news articles, studies, or the official website. However, websites such as personal blogs or popular free web hosts are not reliable. If there are no reliable sources for the content, you should consider whether it is noteworthy in a major encyclopedia. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:51:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Everything in the 'The Booyah Video' section was properly cited, and is all factual. Everything in the 'Eveready's technique' section is properly cited, and factual, with the possible exception of the last sentence. Everything in the 'Internet Meme and Beyond section is factual, but not citable because there have been no scholarly aritcles written about it. However, I see no reason why you think it is not valid to cite things like Facebook and Myspace, since that is what the ection is about in the first place. The fact that all of these facebook and myspace groups exist in the first place, especially given the large numbers of members, also supports the validity of this section of the article.
Virtually the entirety of the article is cited as much as necessary and possible, and it is all pertinent information; anything that is not cited is easily verifiable through empirical observation. Thus, the article should be allowed to exist in its full form. unsigned by Jeffw245 18:38, 23 April 2007.
Please see the policy concerning original research, which states that Wikipedia editors must not add content they researched themselves (through empirical observation or otherwise). Wikipedia is a tertiary source, meaning that it collects information published in reliable sources such as news articles or scholarly studies. Given that there seems to be no reliable sources, you should consider whether in-depth documentation of a single Internet video clip is appropriate, rather than a brief description of the clip (assuming it is noteworthy) and its significance. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:29:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I will now browse through a few other recent movies' wikipedia articles to see how they compare with the Tony Eveready article. First, I have already described the Snakes on a Plane article above; Second, The Incredibles: There is a very long plot section (probably 4 pages long!), there is a vast trivia section (all unreferenced), a large section on Pixar inside jokes (all unreferenced, and quite similar to the humor surrounding Tony Eveready's film), etc; Third, the article about the character Austin Powers is completely unreferenced; Fourth, the Almost Heroes article has a section on quotes from the movie, in a similar fashion as the Tony Eveready article; ..... These are just the first 4 that I looked at. I'm sure I could go on all day with hundreds of movies. I agree with you on your argument that the worst standards should not be applied everywhere. However, When virtually all articles about movies have certain "low-standard" characteristics, it is not justifiable to select just one of those articles and force only that one to confine to the 'proper' standards. Either the standards need to change, and the Tony Eveready article should be allowed to remain in its original form, or you need to uphold that standard (which I believe to be an ill-conceived one when applied to articles about films) for all articles.
Jeffw245 01:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not remove referenced plot summaries, which are not analogous to a direct transcript from the video; nobody is contesting a brief plot summary of the video clip, if it can be independently referenced. Otherwise, feel free to correct the articles as you've suggested. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:22:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Template:Sensitive IP addresses

Hello. Template:Sensitive IP addresses is currently unused and out of date. If you don't intend to update and use it somewhere in the future, do you have any objection to deleting it? Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:55:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't really have any specific use for this, but it does have editors and did appear on certain history pages, so it should probally go through TfD, I won't oppose there though. Thanks, — xaosflux Talk 02:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:JJonathan deleted?

Just curious as to why this page was deleted, it wasn't in the temporary userpages category. John Reaves (talk) 21:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Reverting administrators

Hello Arnon Chaffin. Please do not revert administrators without explanation, as you did a few moments ago; we can generally assume administrators' edits are not vandalism. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:28:59, 03 May 2007 (UTC)
sorry I got mixed up Arnon Chaffin 19:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
That's okay; I assumed it wasn't deliberate. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:37:17, 03 May 2007 (UTC)

Intervention on Wikispecies

Thanks for your intervention on Wikispecies [11]. Lycaon 05:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 06:18:59, 07 May 2007 (UTC)

My sub-pages for personal use

I would like my sub-pages restored temporaliy for personal use on my computer. Be aware that this will be my last edit for a long time. I may come back to Wikipedia, I may not. Thanks in advance. CoolKatt number 99999 04:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

To clarify, I want my pages restored temporaily so I can save the contents of each page on my hard drive. When I am done, I will let you know then I will be leaving for a good long time, possibly forever. Could you please do this for me? Thanks in advance. CoolKatt number 99999 05:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Mind doing this as soon as possible please? Sorry to bother you. CoolKatt number 99999 05:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay; I'm very busy with some other projects. If your email address is correct, I will email you when I restore them. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 05:36:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. CoolKatt number 99999 06:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I've sent you a link to a document containing the text of the deleted subpages. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:39:04, 01 June 2007 (UTC)

Original research (and maybe political misuse of wikipedia)

Hello, could you please be so kind to take a look at the contributions of this user? He's making a lot of original research and unverifiable claims. In particular, most ones are related to the use of the adjectives "Insubric" (resp. "Orobic") in place of the international standard ones "Western Lombard" (resp. "Eastern Lombard"). Could we advise us about what we can do (which hasn't be already done, such as placing the original research template)? I suspect that this anxiety of deleting the correct adjective "Lombard" hides some kind of political misuse of wikipedia, but I could be wrong. You can contact also my eastern Lombard friends user:Ninonino and user:10caart as well as my Swiss friend user:Belinzona. The matter is that unverifiable claims do damage wikipedia. Bye, see you soon and thanks in advance.--Clamengh 14:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The dispute resolution process may help. Note that any unreferenced content can be removed at any time. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:47:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I read your advice and followed the link about the dispute resolution process. As recommended, I will write a couple of lines on the talkpage of the concerned wiki-article but I also would like to direct your attention on the behaviour this user had on the Italian wiki, on the Lombard wiki and on the metaWiki, where he has been repeatedly reprimanded for the same sort of infractions we encountered here on the English wiki.
Infact he is spreading the en.wk with the terms Insubric and Orobic that are not used in international linguistic context but that are probably functional to his view of the world.
Thank you very much for your attention.
Ninonino 12:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello, it's me again. As you can see on the Western Lombard history log, the user en.Codice1000 has edited my changes (Western Lombard instead of the unattested Insubric) without discussing in the concerned talkpage the note I left. Please note also that some of the changes have been done as anonymous. I hope you can help us. -- Ninonino 19:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest leaving a message on User talk:Codice1000.en pointing to your comment on Talk:Western Lombard, just in case they simply haven't see it. If that fails, reverting unexplained changes with a polite explanatory edit summary (as you've done) is a good way to deal with such behaviour. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:03:07, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, just want to thank you for your advises. The dispute seems quite solved. The user Codice1000.en, even without replying to my request of discussion, seems not wanting to insist reverting my changes. So... Just many thanks! - Ninonino 06:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Evrik/sandbox/Kay Coles James

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on User talk:Evrik/sandbox/Kay Coles James, by Evrik (talk · contribs), another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because User talk:Evrik/sandbox/Kay Coles James fits the criteria for speedy deletion for the following reason:


To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting User talk:Evrik/sandbox/Kay Coles James, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Please note, this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate User talk:Evrik/sandbox/Kay Coles James itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. --Android Mouse Bot 2 16:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Deleted. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:28:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Several personalised "Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets" templates

Pathoschild, I know you are familiar with sockpuppet-categorisation and have designed some of the common templates. What do you think of the templates the following templates?

I should like to nominate them for deletion as unnecessary, redundant and per WP:DENY. What are you thoughts? Thanks, Iamunknown 23:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I concur. There is precedent for such deletions, if you're interested; for example, see "Template:Maoririder" or "Sock templates for meme vandals". —{admin} Pathoschild 03:05:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


Infobox hider

I like your new template! Those things are getting oppressive on some of the biographies I work on! Jokestress 05:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; the templates were bugging me too. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 05:33:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
For the most part, I like this template, but I'd like to politely request that you not use this anywhere, at least for the time being. The reason I ask is so that we don't end up with "competing standards" - multiple templates that do the same thing. With the discussion going on around the multi-banner template, this is only likely to complicate and confuse matters. Raul654 06:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure there would be a conflict; unless the multi-banner template contains information useful for casual readers leaving a quick comment, wouldn't it simply replace some of the templates inside the hidden box? Even with this template, combining some of the largely redundant templates is beneficial. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:33:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Look at Talk:Jane Fonda. If the articlehistory and multi-project templates were used there, there'd be almost as much reduction, but in a much more elegant way. As to the rest of those templates which would not be included - fixing those is the next step. So yes, your template it directly competes with the already-extant ones, but (and I don't mean this as an insult) it doesn't do nearly a nice a job of it. Raul654 06:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Could you link me to the multi-banner template? I haven't seen it yet, so I can't really discuss and compare it. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 06:43:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:WikiProjectBanners (currently on TFD, but it's a landslide keep).
In less than two weeks, it's been deployed (by hand, by many different people) on almost 1000 talk pages (strongly suggesting that it's been well received).
If you want to see it in action, take a look at this before and after Raul654 07:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
That template uses the same method, but does not affect many other templates and still leaves a large number of templates at the top of the talk page that are very confusing for a new user (I get a headache looking at some pages). I don't see any conflict; see an example (from Talk:Fuzzy Zoeller) of the multi-WikiProject template alone and combined with the hidden infobox template. Whereas the multi-WikiProject template still leaves over a third of my screen filled with bars of orange, combined with the hidden infobox template it reduces that to a single line in the top-right corner. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:43:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

re: infoboxes on Talk:Fuzzy Zoeller

Hello Tuxide. I noticed that you converted the hidden infoboxes on Talk:Fuzzy Zoeller to right-aligned box variants. I much prefer the hidden method, particularly on a page that receives heavy offsite traffic. This makes boxes that are relevant to casual editors more prominant (such as off topic warning and blp) by hiding the identically emphasized boxes relevant only to editors and tracking (WikiProjects, missing image tag, and media attention notes). The hidden infoboxes method reduces confusion, emphasizes important notices, and makes talk pages much more usable for both casual visitors and established editors. What are your objections to the hidden infoboxes method? Perhaps we can adjust it. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:02:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for asking me this question. My reason was that I didn't think the hidden template was prominent enough due to the size of the box, and the number of people who view the article and do not already edit, or understand Wikipedia. I generally use hidden templates on to-do lists, although yours could probably be made more prominent if it is not as minimal as it was, such as the archive box on Talk:Wal-Mart. As for the high traffic implications, if it's server performace you are concerned about, I am not as per WP:PERF (besides the XHTML gets loaded anyways whether or not JavaScript is hiding it). I believe the off-topic warning is still emphasized because I made all of the others smaller. If you want, do the same to the blp template (but remove the instance of it from the WikiProject Biography one). If you have any questions or ideas, please let me know. Regards, Tuxide 22:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think localizing this method to individual templates (as is done on the to-do and

archive templates) is scalable. On pages with many such templates, this forces a user who wants to scan through the information to click several '[show]' link consecutively. On the other hand, it is relatively easy to click a single '[show]' link, scan through the information, and hide it again. If prominence is a concern, we could make the box more so as shown at right.

My concern about high traffic is not performance, but user-friendliness. Particularly (though not only) when an article receives media attention, we should do our best to make the discussion page as simple, usable, and inviting to constructive comments as possible. The orange boxes are essentially warnings; they are designed specifically to attract attention and force viewers to read them before proceeding.
Given that, we do not want to intimidate a casual reader or editor by forcing them to read a full page (or two) of boxes written in Wikimedia jargon. The hidden infoboxes template is largely designed to provide easy access to information about the article for interested editors, while only displaying actual warnings and the information relevant to casual readers and editors by default. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:53:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for your response. I like the bigger box; I would also suggest using a wordage to something more Slashdot/Digg-like to invite the casual reader can overwhelm himself if he wants to. For example:
Cheeers, Tuxide 07:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that wording introduces some terms that could be simplified. For example, 'boilerplate' is not a very common word outside editing circles, and 'threshold' suggests a level-based system that doesn't exist on Wikipedia. What do you think of the box at right?
{admin} Pathoschild 23:00:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
It's the "for editors" thing that I'm not too big of a fan of, because it's not inviting enough. How about
Tuxide 23:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
That version looks good. Do you object to re-adding that to Talk:Fuzzy Zoeller? —{admin} Pathoschild 23:16:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Go ahead. Sorry for the delay, I am busy in college now. If you go ahead and do it, then you will get more feedback from others (if it's needed). Regards, Tuxide 02:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes again

I noticed you put {{ArticleHistory}} inside this {{hidden infoboxes}} on Talk:Jane Fonda. Since hidden infoboxes uses the display:none code, it makes any info inside inaccessible to non-javascript browsers. Any collapsible box should be uncollapsed by default for non-JS browsers. I also think that the review ratings (GA, FA) should be visible on the page somehow. Gimmetrow 02:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Gimmetrow. It would be relatively simple to make them visible by default, with the JavaScript hiding them immediately in JavaScript-enabled browsers; I'll code that feature as soon as I finish a few other things. This problem is farther-reaching that the template I used, since several recent templates (such as the article review rating template) collapse boxes by default as well.
Regarding the article review ratings, I don't think they are important enough to be displayed so prominently. Such ratings are largely only useful for tracking and editorial purposes. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:28:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
A small=yes template running along the side, above the "more information" box, doesn't seem much to me. And yes, there are bigger issues going on here, with multiple movements to simplify talk page template multiplication. Part of the this is multiple layers of collapsing boxes, which comes up at Fonda. Gimmetrow 02:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The right-aligned boxes simply shift the issue vertically; they still attract attention, de-emphasize important information, and overload or confuse users with details. The smaller line-widths have the added disadvantage of reducing legibility and straining readers' eyes. If we can fix the JavaScript accessibility issue, which won't be very difficult, tucking them into an easily-accessible box is a better solution. Actual warnings or useful information can be left outside the box, as is done on Talk:Jane Fonda. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:53:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like this movement to end up with a small box that shows an icon for the rating, a list of assosicated wikiprojects (possibly with importance rating codes), and the rest in a collapsible box. The collapsible part could even be hidden to non-JS users as all the important info would be visible. As for the warnings, the talkheader templates make sense on high-traffic articles, but in the last month I've had occasion to view quite a few talk pages, and many of them get little more than a page of discussion per year. They don't really need the talkheaders or warnings. Gimmetrow 03:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
An icon for the rating would be useful, but I don't think a list of associated WikiProjects is important enough to be given any mention outside the collapsible box. I agree that the talk page header isn't very important on average-traffic pages, particularly with MediaWiki:Talkpagetext appearing automatically. Most of the information inside the box isn't so important that accessibility is critical, but I still think the accessibility issue should be resolved before we use the collapsible box method widely. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:29:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Blanking of Long Island Exchange discussions

I don't see what material needed to be blanked? —Doug Bell talk 06:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Doug Bell. The discussions were blanked as a courtesy and act of good faith to a representative of the company in question, who emailed us a related complaint and legal notice (OTRS ticket#2007021810002395). The discussions themselves are rather hurtful to the person in question, with terms like "pure spam" and "blatant advertising". Wikipedia:Courtesy blanking provides some additional information on this practice. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:19:37, 02 March 2007 (UTC)

Lyrics on Ertra, Ertra, Ertra

Hello Merhawie. I've removed the lyrics you added to Ertra, Ertra, Ertra because these are available on Wikisource, a sister project run by the Wikimedia Foundation. The link is in the list of external links. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:14:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I actually do not understand why you have removed them. I have done nothing more than what has been done for the French National Anthem. Could you please clarify? Thank you. --Merhawie 07:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Merhawie. Wikipedia is a project dedicated to encyclopedic content. Except for very short texts (which this is not) or any lines explicitly referred to in the article, source texts should be placed on Wikisource instead. For more information, please see Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:23:38, 01 April 2007 (UTC)


I tried to fix this so it take multiple parameters, but for some reason I couldn't clear the final hurdle of not displaying "fullurl" everytime. If you have time, please tell me why. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 08:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I've adjusted the code so that an override parameter can be used to link to the latest nomination. It's not really necessary to link to every nomination, since older nominations should be linked from the latest. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:45:14, 01 April 2007 (UTC)
Exactly as I intended it. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 09:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

{{Inline warning}}

Currently, {{Inline warning}} (which you created) is not being used.

Could I take it over as part of the Inline templates project?

--Kevinkor2 08:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello Kevinkor2. I don't remember why I created the template, so feel free to take the name. If I ever need it, I'll just recreate it elsewhere. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:48:20, 02 April 2007 (UTC)

Your vote was confusing poor Tangobot

Hi, Pathoschild. As discussed here, Tangobot was having a problem with your vote at Danny's RfA. The bot thought that Xiner had voted twice, and didn't recognise your vote at all. Someone thought it might be because of the line break, so I tried removing that, but it didn't work. (The bot seems to update the report once every hour, on the hour.) I then undid my earlier attempt and delinked Xiner's username and simplified your signature.[12] It worked perfectly, so I hope you don't mind. I didn't tamper with the actual text at all. Regards, ElinorD (talk) 15:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello. That's fine. I prefer my original formatting, though; I'll restore that without the link to Xiner's user page and see if it works. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:59:10, 06 April 2007 (UTC)


For the sake of this other bot, I was asked to modify my signature which includes a formatted date and time. Fortunately I'm not the only one who prefers a format that leaves the automatically generated one by the fourth tilde of a user's signature, for what it's worth; and appreciate your suggestion which confirms my attitude towards demands on bots' abilities. With a minor modification (I prefer the three-character abbreviation for the month, because it keeps even length signatures all year round for the default, or not logged-in user), my three-tildes signature could then be coded as:
— [[w:User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] <span style="font-size:.87em;">{{subst:#time:[[d M]] [[Y]] H:i}}&nbsp;(UTC)</span>
instead of the currently much lengthier:
— [[w:User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] <span style="font-size:.87em;">[[{{subst:CURRENTDAY}} {{subst:CURRENTMONTHABBREV}}]][[{{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}]] {{subst:CURRENTTIME}}&nbsp;(UTC)</span>
(in which there might just as well be a blank between ]] and [[ of 'day month' and 'year', both are identically rendered by user preferred settings, including the default). Is there an advantage (apart from the length that appears irrelevant as it has to be typed only once)? I would assume the #time function to require passing through a lenghty multiple arguments parsing and decision-making series of steps because it can handle a whole series of formats, whereas 'my' style only needs straightforward html transcription. My style requires four template calls however, which can be a burden as well. In case the #time would use separate templates to handle the actual html transcriptions after having decided which ones to use, my technique is clearly superior. In case #time does these transcriptions directly in its own code, the burden of passing the decision-making steps has to be wagered against the burden of making three more template calls. Do you have info on which would be the least burden on the server (and assumedly fastest)?
Anyway, your additional seconds in the time, and my correct Wikipedia date & time, should be handled properly by bots; it should be a requirement for bot approval. I would even say that any correct official or de facto international ISO 8601 standard date/time (shapes '20070414T095159', '2007-04-14T09:51:59' or '2007-04-14 09:51:59', each in which the entire time, or only the seconds, can be omitted, and may have an optional 'Z' at the end for '(UTC)') should be recognized as well by bots as be properly handled by user preferences (and the default). Furthermore, it's about time for the fourth tilde in a user signature, to produce an output that can be interpreted by and thus rendered according to the user preferences. Do you happen to know where this could most effectively be suggested? Kind regards. — SomeHuman 14 Apr il 2007 09:52 (UTC) P.S. Four other requirements for bot approval (for those that handle dates and times), should be:

  1. recognizing entities like &nbsp;, &thinsp; etc, and the decimal and hexadecimal html notations for those, as spaces;
  2. disregarding html or wiki begin and end-tags like <span>, <em>, <i>, <small>, <big>, <sup> etc (in short: anything between < and >) and '', ''' or ''''' markup;
  3. recognizing and correctly interpreting wiki [[ and ]] (while disregarding the redirect part of e.g. [[w:Some Redirect|2007]]);
  4. consider only the last hh:mm[:ss] sequence from a time, as in the signature date-time hereunder by which I indicate having created and then modified this comment;
    consider only the last date-time in a case like: SomeHuman 14 April 2007 23:56 - 15 April 2007 00:12 (UTC) .

SomeHuman 14 April 2007 10:19-10:31 (UTC)

Hello. {{#time:}} taps PHP's date() function; {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and the like are aliases for individual data. Theoretically, "{{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHABBREV}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} {{CURRENTTIME}}" is equivalent to "{{#time:d}} {{#time:M}} {{#time:Y}} {{#time:H:i}}". Ergo, a single {{#time}} would be more efficient, though server resources used are infinitesimal either way. —{admin} Pathoschild 13:54:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I modified my signature technique anyway, of course producing identical output. — SomeHuman 14 April 2007 16:09 (UTC)

re: Sockpuppet tagging

Hello Flyguy649. I noticed you tagged a blocked user as a sockpuppet, but did not indicate that the user was blocked. Did you know that the sockpuppet templates can indicate a block themselves? For example:

Usage Code
Not blocked {{sockpuppet|username}}
Blocked (suspected) {{sockpuppet|username|blocked}}
Blocked (confirmed) {{sockpuppet|username|confirmed}}
Blocked (proven by CheckUser) {{sockpuppetCheckuser|username|checkuser subpage}}

Thanks. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 20:27:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

(Reply to User_talk:Flyguy649#Sockpuppet_tagging) Thanks for the heads up; I obviously wasn't aware of the subtleties of the socktagging! I'll go and check them all (they're confirmed since they all do the identical edit). One question that another Admin, User:Natalie Erin, wasn't sure was how to handle IPs. They're listed on my subpage. Regards, Flyguy649talkcontribs 21:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Generally, IP addresses being used for abusive puppetry should be blocked temporarily. Unless the IP address is stable (assigned to the same user over a very long time), there's no reason to place a template on the page. IP addresses should never be indefinitely blocked. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 21:56:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Makes perfect sense and I suspected as much. A recent checkuser-IPCheck suggested dynamic proxies, and therefore potential for a lot of collateral damage. Thanks again for your help. Regards, Flyguy649talkcontribs 22:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Signpost editing

Hello. I made a grammatical correction to the Signpost's story on the Virginia Tech articles[13], which you reverted with the summary "incorrect apostrophe". I assumed the noun form (their rise) was intended, in which case a possessive apostrophe would be used to indicate possession. If the verb form (they rose) was intended, never mind. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 20:08:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Verb form, which I would consider more usual for news headlines, was intended, so no apostrophe ("rise" was actually a substitution for "soar", definitely a verb). By the way, I believe in a previous revert I managed to undo not only your change to the headline, but also your useful edits otherwise. I apologize for the oversight, and do appreciate your work even if we have to hammer out minor issues like this. --Michael Snow 20:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 20:18:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Vand template icons

Hi P, I know you don't like the icons but your edits have put the icon size in the vandalism series out of sync with all the other warnings in the UW series. Can we not discuss this change first please? Cheers Khukri 21:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I changed the icon sizes as a bug fix for those templates. It should not be difficult to change the icon sizes in all the other templates; I don't think five pixels' difference would make much difference to anyone. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 21:10:04, 02 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm just worried we're playing ping pong size up size down. I find I spend alot of time trying to keep the warnings harmonised, to stop editors coming in a changing one or two warnings out of the whole shooting match. I'll put a post on WP:UW about it, I think 5 pixels does make a difference but hey let's see what the audience thinks ;) Cheers Khukri 21:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of anyone intentionally increasing the size. If you'd like, I'll start the discussion. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:22:10, 02 May 2007 (UTC)
Was at the begining if I remember rightly we started out at 20. OK no probs. Khukri 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I reverted the changes again because they were undiscussed changes and the small icon sizes put the uw vand series out of sync with the rest of the uw series. Please do not change icons without consensus. See reverted because they do not match the rest of the {{uw}} series. See here for disscussion. Thank you! :) -- Hdt83 Chat 00:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

There was never any consensus on image sizes in the first place, so I don't see the need for a referendum to change them. Nonetheless, I've responded there. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:28:20, 03 May 2007 (UTC)

re: Mistake in old Signpost article

Hello. The April 16th 'News and notes' article seems to contract itself. The French Wikisource did pass 80,000 pages recently, so I'm not sure which project the second mention actually refers to.

  • The French Wikisource has reached 80,000 total pages.


  • The French Wikisource has reached 25,000 articles and 250,000 edits.

{admin} Pathoschild 07:28:18, 05 May 2007 (UTC)

80,000 pages (total), and 25,000 articles. The former figure includes pages in other namespaces, and pages that are too small to count as real pages. See also En.Wikipedia's Statistics, where we have about 8.7 million pages, and just 1.77 million articles. Ral315 » 09:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

re: References and reverting

Hello Dennyhigh. Thank you for your work on Denny High School. However, please provide references for all information you add; you can do this using the <ref> syntax I added to the article (see Wikipedia:Footnotes or contact me if you need help). Also, do not revert other editors' changes to the article without explanation; if you disagree with the changes, please explain why so we can reach an agreement. Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:46:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Pathoschild,
You recently commented on my user talk page: about references. I am a teacher at Denny High School, so much of the information on the page is unable to be sourced as I directly obtain the information from colleagues at my workplace.
Can you explain how I should source such information? unsigned by Dennyhigh 14:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
If there are no reliable sources available, the information should not be added to Wikipedia (see the policy about verifiability). Information from the official website is generally acceptable, though. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:38:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
So technically Wikipedia believes that if information cannot be sourced then it is inaccurate, false, and ultimately a lie? unsigned by Dennyhigh 18:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
No, simply not reliable enough to be included in an encyclopedia. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:54:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
To cut a long story short: just say yes. unsigned by 13:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Miniblocked

Template:Miniblocked has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — The Sunshine Man 10:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I deleted it. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:48:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar Ribbon
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar Ribbon
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For merging bot edits to my talk page as a random act of kindness. -- Cat chi? 00:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:50:31, 02 June 2007 (UTC)

Another one...

File:Random Acts of Kindness Original Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I, Smee, hereby award Pathoschild with The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar, for your kind and welcoming nature, and your hard work on documenting public domain primary source documents. Thank you. Yours, Smee 08:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, too. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 20:20:30, 07 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to say...

You've been quiet lately, hope all is OK, and you haven't forgotten us. Later Khukri 15:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope. I just have little free time at the moment, so I can participate in fewer projects. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 18:11:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


Help with pywikipedia


Can I ask you a simple question? (for you, because for me it isn't ;-) )

Well, what is the correct syntax for adding a custom edit summary using (pywikipedia)?

I used move -summary 'replacing [[w:Category:Michigan Early Settlers|Category:Michigan Early Settlers]] with [[w:Category:Michigan early settlers|Category:Michigan early settlers]] per [[w:Wikipedia:Category for discussion/Log/2007 February 18|Wikipedia:Category_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_18]]' but it still use the default summary. BTW, how can I include also a pipe character "|", so I can write move -summary 'replacing [[w:Category:Michigan Early Settlers|Category:Michigan Early Settlers]] with [[w:Category:Michigan early settlers|Category:Michigan early settlers]] per [[w:Wikipedia:Category for discussion/Log/2007 February 18|CSD]]'.

Thanks and Happy Editing by Snowolf(talk)CONCOI on 09:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Snowolf. Try the following code (with a colon). move -summary:'replacing [[w:Category:Michigan Early Settlers|Category:Michigan Early Settlers]] with [[w:Category:Michigan early settlers|Category:Michigan early settlers]] per [[w:Wikipedia:Category for discussion/Log/2007 February 18|CSD]]'.
{admin} Pathoschild 09:43:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Uhm... it seems it doesn't work --> Special:Contributions/Snowbot Happy Editing by Snowolf(talk)CONCOI on 09:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
If all else fails, you can just edit the summary in (search for "# Summary messages"). It's been a while since I used pywikipedia; I tend to use the AutoWikiBrowser lately for its more advanced regex support. —{admin} Pathoschild 09:57:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
All right. Thank you ;-) Happy Editing by Snowolf(talk)CONCOI on 10:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Jacking off

What do you jack off to?? --Deanhinnen 10:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Deanhinnen. Can I help you with something? —{admin} Pathoschild 18:08:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Jill, of course.--§hanel 19:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Running of Pathosbot

Hi, As I am keen to run a bot on Wikipedia (as I used to run HBC AIV helperbot2), I was looking over Wikipedia:Registered bots and it seems to say that your bot, Pathosbot, is discontinued. I do reckon its a great idea and was wondering if you wouldn't mind disclosing the source code for it or even set me up with a redundant copy of it if you are definately not running it anymore. Thanks in advance, Extranet (Talk | Contribs) 07:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Extranet. Pathosbot has not been discontinued; I've corrected that page. Are you referring to the generic tasks that Wikipedia:Registered bots describes, or to indefinitely-blocked user template optimization and cleanup? The latter uses heuristic regular expressions with the AutoWikiBrowser. Unfortunately, its edits need to be monitored for errors and the patterns need regular improvements. I don't mind sharing the regular expressions if you're interested in running a similar bot, but I'd like to make sure you have a working knowledge of regular expressions. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:47:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
The part I really liked about the bot is the 'Correct IP address categorization'. If there is a part where I can just run a bot for that purpose only would be great, but I would have to do alot of debating when requesting approval as there is only one use of it. Away from Pathosbot, is there a bot idea that you think would be useful around Wikipedia that I could possibly have a crack at making? I am really wanting to run a bot and I prefer it to be one that is at a 'once daily' running rate rather a 24x7 one. Many thanks, Extranet (Talk | Contribs) 06:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
That's a new task for Pathosbot, so the results are still very prone to error. Wikipedia:Bot requests is useful if you're looking to code a new bot. If you're looking to run an existing bot, you could try asking other users with discontinued bots, or posting on Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard and Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). —{admin} Pathoschild 06:49:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


Hey -- I tried protecting a page from vandalism earlier and I did it incorrectly, and you later did it for me. 1) Thanks, 2) how do you protect a page from vandalism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wcrickards (talkcontribs) 17:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Hello Wcrickards. I did not protect the page, since there was not enough vandalism to need it. Pages can only be protected by administrators, as explained at m:Help:Administration#Protection. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:44:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

AOL proxy is editing

Per {{AOL}}: Edits are still originating from (talkcontribsWHOISRDNStraceRBLsblock userblock log). --  Netsnipe  ?  19:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

This IP address seems to be part of AOL's normal dynamic IP address range, so it should not be tagged with {{AOL}}. I've removed it; thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:17:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of 'Pathoschild'

So you like Shanel? I like Shanel too. But what does Pathoschild mean anyways? King Lopez Contribs 07:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello King Lopez. The moniker Pathoschild essentially means 'child of pathos'. There are many possible interpretations, which is why I created it. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 07:55:05, 02 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Pathoschild. I saw that you created Regex.js yesterday. Well, I personally like to know more about different kinds of monobooks in wikipedia which is created by various users, and I also think that different types of monobooks in Wikipedia is used for different things. What do you use Regex.js for? Could you please explain Regex.js to me briefly in my talk pages? Please, respond in my talk page. Cheers! Daniel 5127 06:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Daniel. regex.js is a JavaScript file which is transcluded in a skin file. This makes it easier to edit, and allows other users to transclude it as well. For example, see the following code in monobook.js:
*** Semi-auto regex replacement toolbar
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'
  + '' 
  + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
The script itself adds a "regex tools" menu on the sidebar. Clicking a link on the menu runs a small script which automatically changes the textbox. For example, it might be used to automagically correct block templates with one click. (However, it's not working correctly yet.) —{admin} Pathoschild 18:20:25, 03 May 2007 (UTC)

Pgkbot error: "You need to be a bot operator to do that"

How do I fix this? I'm running my own irc server to use pgkbot, but I can't set anything as that notice comes up. Will (is it can be time for messages now plz?) 16:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Give yourself operator status in the channel, and type "computer aclo add Sceptre". This should add you to the bot operators list (I've updated the documentation). Alternately, you can simply give yourself operator status whenever you want to give restricted commands; the bot should automatically obey any channel operator. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:14:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, worked brilliantly :) Will (is it can be time for messages now plz?) 22:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

AWB v4 Testers Required

Hey, I was wondering if you would consider helping us with the v4 Release of AWB.

AWB has had some major section re-writes as part of the v4 release, and also a migration to a new diff engine. We need users familiar with AWB to help us out by testing it by using this version rather than the current release version.

You have been selected as you have reported quite a few bugs/feature requests in prior versions.

If you would like to help us out, please download this version of AWB, and then if you encounter any problems or have any feedback, leave us a message at the usual pages - Bugs, Feature requests or if its important, the Dev talk page.

Also, if you do choose to use this pre-release version, can you let us know here that you will be testing it.

If you post any bugs, please put version 3902 and SVN Rev 1151 as the version number - This allows us to know which version you are currently using.

We will let you know of any other testing releases on your talk page


The AutoWikiBrowser Team

Reedy Boy 17:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Once I was...

Once I was a boogie singer playing in a rock and roll band. Never mind did you check the article on Wilford Brimley?--Wayne Neptune 05:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't; what should I be checking it for? —{admin} Pathoschild 20:09:16, 07 June 2007 (UTC)

OTRS check

Hi, Pathoschild. I've grabbed you at random from the couple of people who I know have OTRS permission (there ought to be a user category for you folks). I'm told that there is an OTRS ticket 2007052710004469 that gives GFDL licensing for such as is used at Ebon Fisher. Could you check this ticket number for me and let me know if everything's valid for that licensing? ··coelacan 07:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Users with OTRS access are listed on m:OTRS. Unfortunately, the content does not seem to be available under the GFDL. A user simply took content from the Internet and told us they were releasing it under the GFDL, which they cannot do unless they are the copyright holder. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:34:02, 07 June 2007 (UTC)

Deleting User talk pages listed in CAT:TEMP

A post by another user on the village pump lead me here. There is some confusion as to why User talk pages appear in CAT:TEMP, especially since Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages does not seem to address user talk page inclusion in Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages. Also, that editor want's to know whether to delete such User talk pages. Would you be so kind as to clarify this matter by posting your answer here. Thanks. -- Jreferee (Talk) 19:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I've responded there:

The same logic generally applies to user talk pages which only contain warnings, trolling, or mundane discussion. That said, a deleting administrator might sometimes decide that the discussion is significant enough to keep indefinitely; a good balance in those cases is to blank the page with {{indefblockeduser|historical}}, which keeps the discussion available in the edit history while removing it from search results and removing it from the deletion category.

So, yes: user talk pages should be deleted as well, unless they're historically significant.

{admin} Pathoschild 21:01:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

AWB Bug: %%key%% does nothing in advanced regex - Fixed

Hi, I've fixed this bug in SVN Rev 662. Will be included in the soon to be released

Reedy Boy 23:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:25:49, 03 March 2007 (UTC)

Happy Spread-the-funny and-slighty-random-love day!

:) pschemp (talk) 00:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[[w:Image:Panderichthys BW.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 01:03:58, 05 March 2007 (UTC)]]
lol pschemp | talk 01:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

New message


unsigned by Shanel at 01:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello. :)

Quit pinging me, meanie. :)--§hanel 21:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Never! Just wait until I finish downloading ChatZilla, then you'll see pinging. o.o (<3) —{admin} Pathoschild 21:19:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:O <3--§hanel 21:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Your vandalism

I know what you did to the Thor page. You blind admins but not me. Punishment is futile. Don't mess with a wiki kid............. This is not spam! unsigned by 23:04, 31 May 2007

Duly noted. I'll have to recalibrate my blindga spell. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:20:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Well I can explain. I thought you vandalized (I had my reasons) and I decided to contact authorities? I didn't know how to report admins. Uh. Thats it. Runewiki777 23:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest politely asking the administrator you think has vandalized to explain what they're doing (if indeed they did vandalize, as was not the case here). If it really is vandalism, you can bring it up on the Administrators' incidents noticeboard; if it's not, see the dispute resolution process instead. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:42:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
THis is not the first time this editor has made accusations. THey accused me of making socks, vandalising with them and then logging back in as an admin to block, revert and take all the glory. They actually spammed the talk page of several other admins calling me a "bad" or "evil" admin. While I want to AGF, this seems like blatant trolling to me. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


This user is sorry about all the trouble he has given you. Please forgive

Runewiki777 18:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I hold no grudge; it may have been a mistake, though you should not jump to conclusions so quickly. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:17:54, 01 June 2007 (UTC)

A WikiSmile for you!

--Roosa 17:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)