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This is a proposal for a new WMF sister project.
Wikigames
GamesWiki.svg
Status of the proposal
Statusunder discussion
Details of the proposal
Project descriptionUn Wiki détaillé sur les jeux vidéo, les consoles, les éditeurs, ect... Ce wiki sera également un guide pratique
Is it a multilingual wiki?Dans toutes les langues. Au début dans quelques langues.
Potential number of languagesDe même que Wikipédia ; toute langue nécessitant un wiki passera par l'Incubateur.
Proposed taglineLe wiki vidéoludique
Proposed URLwikigames.org (Disponible)
Technical requirements
New features to requireSee License
Proposed interwiki prefixg:
Development wikiTest wiki
Interested participants

Proposé par

CreativeC38

Projets / propositions apparentées

Wikigames et VideoGamesWiki.

Objectifs

Wikigames est un wiki de jeux, ses objectifs seraient :

  • Être un guide complet des jeux vidéos : Chaque élément, personnage, monde ou jeu aura sa propre page, indépendamment de sa notoriété.
  • Être capable de faire un rapport précis des critiques et les joueurs, afin de nous permettre d'avoir une opinion neutre. Les critiques seront élaborées : on pourra, par exemple, comparer un jeu à un autre jeu similaire. Puis les sources utilisées seront mis à jour. On signalera en même temps la version avec laquelle ont été écrites les sources. Les Youtubers seront des sources valides.
  • Être un guide pratique : les configurations requises et d’éventuels bugs (et peut-être les solutions) de jeux seront indiqués.

Spécifications diverses 

Modèles d'articles

Comme Wikivoyage, il y aurait des patrons d’articles :

Éditeur

Editeur est un éditeur de jeux vidéo créés en Date et dont le siège est à Ville

  • Histoire
  • Localisations et filiales
  • Jeux
    • Franchises principales
  • Critiques
  • Voir aussi

Univers

L'univers de jeu est un univers fantastique/de science-fiction/uchronique…

  • Histoire
    • Groupes
    • Personnages
    • Critiques
    • Voir aussi

Personnage

Personnage est un personnage de jeu.

  • Création et évolution
  • Histoire
  • Apparitions
  • Annexes

Jeu 

Jeu est un jeu développé par Développeur et publié par Éditeur le Date.

  • Univers
    Voir l’article complet + résumé
    • Histoire
    • Personnages
  • Gameplay
  • Développement
  • Critiques
  • Installation
    • Configuration requise
  • Voir aussi

Environnement

Carte est une carte de Jeu.

  • Développement
  • Description
  • Caractéristiques
  • Critiques

Critique

Critique est un type de média qui publie des avis sur les jeux plateformes.

  • Histoire
  • Critiques
    Critiques de la communauté et des autres critiques
  • Voir aussi

Développeur 

Développeur est un développeur de jeu vidéo créé en Date et dont le siège est à Ville.

  • Histoire
  • Emplacements et filiales
  • Jeux
    • Franchises principales
  • Critiques
  • Voir aussi

Console 

Console est une console créé par Entreprise.

  • Histoire
  • Développement
  • Caractéristiques techniques
  • Exclusivités
  • Critiques
  • Voir aussi

Collaboration du mois

La collaboration du mois est un article promu pendant un mois sur la page d’accueil. Les wikigamers se concentreront sur l’article, qui sera la plupart du temps dédié aux consoles, développeurs ou éditeurs.

Extensions "Flow" et "Content Translation"

Les extensions "Flow" et "Content translation" seront installées en version bêta et le bistro sera également sous Flow.

Licence

Lors d’une contribution, on devra pouvoir choisir entre toutes les licences que propose MediaWiki et pouvoir préciser d’où viennent les textes. (Explications dans l'argument 2)

Pages 

Nous aurons une politique de page différente de celle de Wikipédia. Comme Wikivoyage, nous dirons que mieux vaut une ébauche que pas d'article.

Catégories 

Dans l’entête de la page d'accueil, vous pouvez chercher des jeux vidéo par genre, date de sortie, série, pays, thème développeur, éditeur ou distributeur. Il faudra donc bien classer les jeux.

Portails et projets

Les projets et portails fonctionneront comme sur Wikipédia. Un portail pourrait ressembler à ceci. Les portails autorisés seraient sur les jeux, les franchises, les éditeurs, les développeurs et les consoles.

Géographie

Wikigames aborderait également les jeux par la géographie, en indiquant dans quelle ville/pays est situé tel éditeur/critique, ... Et où a été conçu tel jeu/console,...

Apparence

Wikigames se veut plus moderne, comme le montre la page d'accueil du wiki de test, pour attirer une communauté plus large. La plupart des icônes seront importés de The Noun Project et les couleurs principales du wiki seront les couleurs de Wikimedia : bleu, vert, rouge et gris

Arguments 

  • Les jeux vidéo manquent d'une communauté importante dans la plupart des langues, et les principales communautés sont dirigées par de grosses entreprises qui ne cherchent que le gain (comme Curse), ou alors des amateurs passionnés qui n’arrivent pas à gérer correctement et finissent par abandonner.
  • La plupart des jeux vidéos wiki utilisent MediaWiki et utilisent les licences CreativeCommons proposées. C’est donc du contenu que l’on peut réutiliser librement.
  • Wikigames aura forcément une énorme communauté, à cause de tous les membres des communautés et wikis cités ci-dessus qui s’empresseront de rejoindre ce wiki sérieux et démocratique, sans compter tous les membres des projets jeu vidéo (projets qui font partie, dans la plupart des langues de Wikipédia, des projets les plus organisés et actifs).
  • Le jeu vidéo est un moyen d’apprendre, de créer et de partager. C’est une activité collaborative par laquelle des gens de tous âges et de toutes origines sociales et géographiques se réunissent. C’est un art qui mérite largement son propre wiki.
  • Il y a assez à dire pour remplir un wiki entier.
  • Plus de problèmes d’éligibilité de pages sur Wikipédia : les critères seront moins stricts.
  • La communauté sera plus jeune. Cela attirera sans doute des jeunes sur la Wikimedia.
  • On peut le comparer à Wikivoyage : Mettre du contenu qui pourrait être réparti entre Wikipédia et Wikibooks en l'organisant autrement.

Personnes intéressées  

  1. CreativeC38
  2. Metal Lanius (Fallout Wiki)
  3. Torik45(Fallout)
  4. JoJoPlatinum75 (aka MisterCoolSkin)
  5. Selyga officiel
  6. Archimëa
  7. Omni Flames
  8. Hedelmätiski (fiwiki)
  9. Nobita931
  10. Luk3
  11. HiddenKnowledge
  12. Pottero (Dragon Age Polska Wiki)
  13. Grey-Fox
  14. Goombiis
  15. Issimo 15
  16. BRAEN B STAN
  17. Dokuz sekiz
  18. Wetitpig0
  19. Richard923888
  20. Asdfugil
  21. Arepticous
  22. Bobherry
  23. PediAki
  24. Macrike (talk) 11:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  25. Dingyday
  26. The Canadian Askew
  27. Shadi
  28. Dzaky17
  29. Dino Bronto Rex
  30. Arthurfan828 (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
  31. ‎Kitabc12345
  32. ‎Tmv

Discussion  

Discussion

  • Vote pour le Mario Wiki francophone. JoJoPlatinum75 (talk) 19:40, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I see two conflicting ideas in this proposal. (1) "each item, character, world or game engine will have its own page, no matter its notoriety" – its own page... for what? Ostensibly this is to accrete in-universe, gameguide material. But in the article contents they (2) duplicate the purpose of Wikipedia articles (gameplay, development, criticism). The only way it would be different is in having more lax citation and inclusion criteria, and I believe I have yet to see a "gameguide" wiki done well (that is, a useful full game article, that doesn't go into mindnumbing detail unhelpful to the general reader)—closest, maybe, is the Fallout wiki, for a work that actually needed a companion encyclopedia. There are many game wikis well under way that we could fork, but why? Ostensibly the community that writes the in-universe stuff the best is the small community dedicated to that topic, not a general games community. I think the Wikia model makes the most sense and that the number of ghost wikis should be a sobering reminder when considering this proposal. czar 01:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
  • If I read this correctly, Wikigames would primarily be a sort of inclusive game-guide that uses primary sources in addition to secondary sources. Building a collection of information based on game manuals and old-timey game guide books sounds like a really cool idea, and know the Wikipedia WikiProject on video games, this could become rather popular. The scope might need to be specified a bit more. "each item, character, world or game engine will have its own page" sounds more like describing fiction from a fictional perspective than describing video games from a mechanic perspective - the latter may be more useful. Having similar content as Wikipedia would also be inefficient, so development and reception may not be relevant for Wikigames. ~Mable (chat) 07:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Based on the support comments below, perhaps a "Wikifiction" could also be an option, as people love describing fiction from an in-universe point-of-view. I personally don't really like the idea, but if the purpose of Wikigames is to describe fiction rather than mechanics, you might as well call it what it is. ~Mable (chat) 07:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I hate making three completely separate comments in a row, but the proposal currently basically suggests that any one's opinion is worth adding to a page on Wikigames by saying that Youtubers are reliable sources. This seems dangerous. Could I create a blog under a false name, talk trash about a game, and then add those criticisms to the Wikigames article on said game? Does anyone have the right to remove said criticisms? I really respect some content-creators out there, but saying "anything goes" won't give you any information. ~Mable (chat) 08:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
    • I think this is a important issue that is needed to be cleared up. I think it is important to ensure quality in the source material, and "Youtubers will be valid sources" is a too generic statement to a too specific group. Maybe I'm over thinking for the proposal, but for me would be important to establish which are the reliable sources with individual made material. --Luk3 (talk) 16:29, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Wikigames是一个维基媒体基金会项目。 --Assoc (talk) 03:08, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Support

  • Support Support as creator. I'm fed up of those wikias. CreativeC38 (talk) 08:08, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support Support L'idée d'aller un peu plus loin que Wikipédia en français me tente, reste à définir aussi bien le champ d'action que la manière d'y arriver. // A Wiki that can offer further informations that a classic Wiki could be a good idea. --Archimëa (talk) 18:15, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support. Wikia在中文区不甚流行,许多编辑在维基百科贡献内容。但遗憾的是,许多内容是维基百科不收录的“过细内容”,故开设姊妹计划是很好的主意。 // As Wikia is not so popular in Chinese-speaking regions, many a editor contributes their things at Wikipedia. Regretless, kinds of content has been defined as "over-detailed" at Wikipedia(s). Therefore, set up a sister project for further writing is a capital idea. --風中的刀劍 (talk) 16:04, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Support Support Wikigames可以帮助收录维基百科不接受的虚构内容,例如设定、角色和攻略等。 // I think Wikigames can focus on the "fiction" of games, such as universe, characters and rules, which are not aceeptable in Wikipedia. —Chiefwei (talk) 02:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support Wikipedia is far too restricting for most game articles. --HiddenKnowledge (talk) 10:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Support Support This is like a other Wikipedia of a world of games of ficction, yes. Nobita931 At your service! IRC 19:40, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Support Support It’s worth a try, this idea has potential. Pottero (talk) 20:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support un projet intéressant, qui offrira plus de place aux jeux vidéo que Wikipedia. -- issimo 15 !? 17:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support SupportThis project can facilitate people to entertain themselves more easily. It's worth to invest in it. Wetitpig0 (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support Support This is a very nifty idea. Also, more inviting than Wikipedia. It puts Wikia in shame. --George Ho (talk) 01:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
    Shouldn't have said that. I'll say that video game community is very huge in Wikipedia. --George Ho (talk) 05:19, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Samuele2002 (Talk!) 21:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Support Wikipedia is not for guides --Asdfugil (talk) 11:34, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support --Assoc (talk) 03:00, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Zache (talk) 09:11, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Support It will be interesting. --Dingyday (talk) 06:56, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Support Creation of a Wikigames website would be really helpful... the websites that exist now (wikia) are corrupted and non-free. Advertisements are crawling everywhere, making the browser slower and the risk higher. Arep Ticous 17:30, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support of course.--Shadi (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support -- Dzaky17 (talk) 13:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support Great idea! A wiki where all video games, game platforms, and of course game developers that have created enough games to be considered notable have their own articles. Some people argue that it’s to similar to Wikipedia, but I think that if we add non-encyclopaedic content that would be related to the game (possible strategies for example, if it’s about a Pokemon for example, it’s possible to write where it can be found and in what games. it’s possible even to write about in-game mission, for example “By The Book (GTA V mission)”. It’s also possible to use Wikigames to publish articles about games that have reviews online, but would not be considered notable for a Wikipedia article. Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 17:50, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Support 这是个好想法,也许包含提议中的维基娱乐计划能丰富内容。 // It's a good idea. Maybe including the proposing Wikientertain Project could enlarge the content. --Leiem (talk) 08:45, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support - We need a wiki about all notable video games. Arthurfan828 (talk) 23:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support. Regretless, kinds of content has been defined as "over-detailed" at Wikipedia(s). --Kitabc12345 (talk) 04:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Tmv (talk) 05:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Against

  • Oppose Oppose – as currently described, Wikigames would be similar to Wikipedia, except without any rules on fiction, without any kind of notability guidelines, and without depending on reliable sources. I don't believe that this is something Wikimedia should invest in. I personally love the idea of having a kind of Wikimedia strategywiki, using manuals and published strategy guides as sources. I could also approve of the idea of a "fiction wiki" that deliberately focuses on media from an in-universe perspective. I have difficulty understanding what the purpose of Wikigames would be, other than simply being another fanwiki. ~Mable (chat) 06:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose This looks like StrategyWiki x Wikia (in all their various forms) x a handful of other wikis. Wikimedia has no business in fiction without real-world context since our goal is to educate, and if these materials are too detailed, they may end up being non-free, if not a copyright violation. As an aside, I believe Wikiversity may already take walkthroughs, though you'd have to check with them. --Izno (talk) 12:47, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose It is nearly impossible to provide the level of detail that this project proposes without reliance on non-free screenshots and/or video, and that runs against the WMF core mission. It also feels far too much of a slippery slope to allow fiction wikis that start to border on copyright problems that I think the WMF has done best to avoid. --Masem (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
    Who has ever mentioned about copyrighted images? Wetitpig0 (talk) 11:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
  • per all three above--ze un fo un (talk) 18:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose Per extensive discussion in User:CreativeC38/Proposal#Discussion. Quiddity (talk) 22:12, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose per pretty much everyone above. 😂 (talk) 22:10, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose anything worth covering can already be covered on the local language Wikipedias. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:52, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose. There is Wikia for that reason. Nigos (talk) 07:53, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
    • I disagree with your statement. Wikivoyage was founded even though Wikitravel already existed. Just because there is a wikia about this topic doesn’t mean there can’t be a wikimedia project about the same topic. Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 14:25, 25 December 2019 (UTC)