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Site notice for fellowship project endorsements

I'd really like to get more community input on the project ideas that have been submitted for Wikimedia Community Fellowships. Was thinking about running a site notice here on meta for a few days (no more than 1 week, and much less if it doesn't drive any conversations), that would link to this page that explains the endorsement process and asks people to help evaluate project submissions. Thoughts? Concerns? Ideas for what the text on the site notice should say? I was thinking something like "Wikimedia Community Fellowship program needs your input on project ideas! Please review and endorse an idea today." Siko (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Siko, I didn't get a message from you but I saw your edits on recent changes so I thought I'd chip in. You'll need to have a look at CentralNotice/Calendar to see the most suitable time frame for running your banner - the schedule is quite tight at the moment for notices and banners. However, it should be possible to disable the CentralNotice on meta for a few days and run a site notice instead so that there aren't 2 banners running on the site. Are you asking users to only endorse ideas? Where would they comment if they are against a particular idea, is this so that you can reduce the number of fellowship applications for a final review by Wikimedia Staff? Is there an upper limit to the number of Fellowships available, or would you like users to pick their favourite x fellowship ideas? Hope these questions help to get you thinking! The Helpful One 21:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, helpful one, I messaged a few people who I know are active on meta just because I wanted to be sure I got any feedback at all, am glad you're seeing it too :-) Good point about Central Notice, I usually don't see those banners running on meta so had assumed there wouldn't be a conflict with site notice here...but I will check! We've asked that comments against an idea or requests for clarification etc should go on the talk page instead of the endorsements section, and I do think that kind of input is helpful. If it is still confusing how to anti-endorse, I will try to make this clearer! I was thinking to not initially limit how many projects someone could endorse, partly because there are a lot of factors involved in selecting each crop of fellows and matching them to projects, so this can't turn into a simple voting situation. And because some of these ideas may remain open for future rounds of fellowships, we're generally trying to use the process to get a sense of which projects are particularly high priority for the movement. Some ideas were submitted by people who aren't even applying for fellowship, so if I know that everyone really wants to see x project happen, I can look extra hard for a fellow to take it on in the future. (I've got about 4 slots for new fellows right now, BTW).Siko (talk) 22:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
We usually put such things on Template:Main Page/WM News, which appears on the main page and is used very freely: you're encouraged to update it. A notice like this section is useful as well. I don't see any problem in putting such a local notice, just propose a short text and I'll add it (or someone else will). The overlap with centralnotice is not big deal here on Meta, and I'd show a blank notice to anonymous users, by putting the text on MediaWiki:Sitenotice and an empty message on MediaWiki:Anonnotice. Nemo 22:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Good to know about WM News too, Nemo, that hadn't occurred to me at all! For the stewards election, I think they used site notice as well as this main page news section, which seems like a good idea to try. Thanks for the offer to help add, I'll definitely need it :-) Siko (talk) 22:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I added a notice to WM News and removed the fellowships open call news from December. Not sure exactly how to get the December bit that I removed into the "Goings On" archives, so any fixes/suggestions there would be much appreciated. Proposed site notice text: "Help the Community Fellowship Program evaluate project ideas by reviewing open projects." Would someone be willing to help me implement this too? Thanks! Siko (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Done. let's not forget to remove it, as it doesn't expire automatically. ;-) Nemo 22:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Good point! I'll make sure it is removed next week, before everyone gets tired of it :-) Siko (talk) 22:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
That looks good. Thanks for soliciting this feedback, Siko. :) SJ talk   19:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

It really looks nice. Thank you Siko for your all work to get community feedback :) --Aphaia (talk) 18:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for everyone's help and feedback here! I've taken it down today as promised. We definitely got some new endorsements on projects as a result of the publicity, so glad we tried this :-) Siko (talk) 17:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

{{Ombox}}

Hello. It seems we need to update some configuration to make {{ombox}} to work again. We can probably import some of this. I'm not good at CSS and do not know what needs to be done thus asking here. Thanks. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 15:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Update of WM:MSR

Hello. I propose to replace WM:MSR which is quite confusing and outdated with Meta:Meta–Steward relationship/Rewrite. Comments on the wording before voting the final version to addopt it as a policy are welcome at Meta talk:Meta–Steward relationship/Rewrite. Thanks. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 23:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Filtering out translations in the recent changes

Filtering out "the translations" in the recent changes doesn't work. Could someone please fix this? Mathonius (talk) 10:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Filed on Bugzilla. --Yair rand (talk) 02:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Closed invalid, not enough information. What's wrong? Nemo 17:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
"Closed invalid"? I don't understand why you would declare a simple question invalid, especially since it has been 'solved' already, thanks to Yair. Anyway, as it turns out, the "filter out translations" option on Special:RecentChanges only applies to edits in the "Translations" namespace. This should've been clearer; I thought it applied to all edits with the translation tool (see this). Mathonius (talk) 17:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Bugzilla is not for questions, it's a valid question but an invalid bug (I think), let's not care too much about words. We're trying to improve docs, would you please read mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Statistics and reporting#Recent changes, feeds and logging and tell us if it's clear enough? Thanks, Nemo 17:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Change special pages in local wiki

Hello. How can I change the interface and special pages of a local Wikipedia? For example, we want to change the Upload page of Armenian Wikipedia, in particular the form form completion. How can it be done? Thanks in advance for your help! --vacio 22:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I am no expert but to see the local message components and those that can be customised, append to the url ?uselang=qqx (or &uselang=qqx if appending to the string), so for your example it is this. That said there is a project to get all the languages captured and reproduced through the languages project so ask at Meta:Babylon for guidance. Best place for the exact information on Mediawiki is mw:Manual:Contents billinghurst sDrewth 12:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I have translated Estonian Main Page couple of times, but now I got error message, when trying to translate Template:Main Page/WM News. This template is under protection, because it is used on Main Page. How to translate WM News? Taivo (talk) 23:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

New Wikimedia Shop feedback/help requested

Hey all,

Some of you may already know that we've opened a shop at http://shop.wikimedia.org to sell Wikimedia Merchandise. We're now entering our "Community Launch" allowing us to hopefully get as much feedback from the community about the store, it's products and everything else involved. For those that are interested we've set up an FAQ/information page, feedback page and design page. We also have a 10% discount up for at least the next 2 weeks (CLAUNCH or 'Wikimedia Community Launch' in the discount box at checkout) and a $10 maximum shipping fee world wide for most orders.

However the big thing I wanted to ask you about was Meta gear. Right now everything on there is Wikipedia related but we want to make sure we have merch from all of the projects as well. So far we have a couple things on order:

  • Stickers from all of the projects
  • 1" buttons (or 'badges' ) from all of the projects
  • Are in the design and digital mockup phase of lapel pins for all of the projects to both go independently and as a set. Right now we're getting mockups to see how they look and to see if we want to go with the Pewter look that we have right now for the globe (this new set will have an interlocked v W for the wikipedia piece) or the full color enamel look like This Strike Command pin.

We want to have more though both soon and in the future and I wanted to know what you thought. One of my thoughts for something early on was a series similar to the I Edit Wikipedia shirts (we have two versions right now) on the shop for each project. If we did something like that should we just use Edit or adjust the verb for meta? Is it too much to have a shirt for meta? Other ideas for products? Jalexander (talk) 00:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Just copy the chapters. See for instance wmit:Categoria:Gadget, but you should have some somewhere in the office too. wmit:File:Bebold6.jpg+wmit:File:Bebold7.jpg (also in green) has been very successful, the same for the polo with the Wikimedia logo. Make some stuff which is "crosswiki" or with the Wikimedia logo and Meta users will be happy I suppose (nobody ever asked Meta-specific stuff to us). For the pins, don't put the name but only the logo without text, and add the portal URL which will convey the name in a neutral way, compare wmit:File:Spilla 12 copy.jpg. --Nemo 06:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I hadn't seen those shirts for some reason but I'll dig and see if I can find any in the office :) . I agree the pins right now are logo and no text though the portal url is an interesting idea. We definitely need some straight wikimedia specific gear. Jalexander (talk) 18:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Where should "deletion review" discussions be held

As we, thankfully, don't have many specific drama boards here (see commons:COM:DR and commons:COM:UR, w:de:Wikipedia:Löschprüfung, w:ru:Википедия:К восстановлению, w:Wikipedia:Deletion review for some examples) if we wanted to have a discussion about the merits of the closure of a particular RfD and whether it should be upheld or overturned, where is the best place for that discussion. Would it be at Meta talk:Requests for deletion or its own RfC? Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 14:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I would think the former (Discussion page). As it is directly germane, what purpose is served by moving away? If the concern is notice to all, perhaps also a notice link here and at forum should be encouraged/required? Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:58, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Deletion contestations (not sure if this is the proper word) hardly happens. If the result of an RfD is to be challenged then the Talk:RfD page or the Meta admin board can be of help. Creating a RFC for every deletion contestation would be overkill IMHO; and I would only reserve it for these rare cases where nobody seems to agree with nobody. My two cents. Regards. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 20:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Translation request

Please translate into English. I guess its Spanish, but not sire. ZeaForUs (talk) 18:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

It's Spanish indeed. I'll have a look later. Thanks. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 20:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to reactivate Meta:MetaProject to Overhaul Meta

Meta needs some cleanup. I propose to reactivate Meta:MetaProject to Overhaul Meta. Regards. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 19:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

What else have you noticed in particular that requires cleanup, other than the namespaces above? :) The Helpful One 20:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
The entire meta. Things could be better organized, old junk deleted; etc... See an example above :DMarco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 20:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Transition of the Internet from IPv4 to IPv6 & Wikipedia support for IPv6

As many folks are aware, the Internet has been a remarkably successful phenomena. One consequence of this success is that the present underlying Internet Protocol (IP version 4, or IPv4) is reaching the deployment limits on the number of devices that can be uniquely addressed. The upper limit is approx 4.3 Billion devices. To allow the Internet to continue to expand, it is now necessary to begin using larger IP addresses for servers, these new addresses are known as IP version 6, or IPv6. It is particularly important for major Internet content providers to make this transition, since new users are now being connected with IPv6 and must go through transition gateways to reach sites which are not using both IPv4 and IPv6.

On 6 June 2012, nearly one thousand web sites are permanently turning on IPv6 as part of the Internet Society's "World IPv6 Launch" event. http://www.worldipv6launch.org/ This includes Google, Facebook, and other major providers. Wikipedia has been working on IPv6 support for some time, and it would be good if a commitment to having IPv6 by this date could be made.

/John
John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN 12.174.51.2 00:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I've had some discussion with some WMF people, but unfortunately we are not going to be ready for a complete permanent deployment by then. We only plan a "stack test" on World IPv6 Launch day ( :( ), but that can change. To others who are waiting for IPv6, I've drafted a blocking policy at en:User:Jasper Deng/IPv6.Jasper Deng (talk) 00:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I think this is more of a wikitech-l thing. I posted your message there. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I've also asked someone on MediaWiki.org about it.Jasper Deng (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Enwiki WikiProject whose scope is global

Related to the above, en:Wikipedia:WikiProject IPv6 has now begun to prepare for World IPv6 Launch, 06 June 2012. This is an initiative that will require cross-wiki participation by developers.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Then why are you putting it on the English Wikipedia? If only there were some kind of central (perhaps meta?) wiki.... Please don't be silly. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, it started before I realized this would be a global effort... Since I'm not familiar with Meta processes, I just need help globalizing this.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Meta-Wiki has no real concept of WikiProjects (at least not in any substantive sense). It looks like IPv6 is available. Use that? --MZMcBride (talk) 04:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I think I can try IPv6 initiative, but I'm still worried about things like languages and coordinating of the entire global community.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Translation requests#Create a new translation_request. Meta-Wiki is usually adapt at translating things when requests are made. CentralNotices are also pushed to every project from Meta, which would presumably allow for global coordination. Killiondude (talk) 04:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, I'm starting the page now.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)