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AJAX transclusion table



  • script doesn't seem to work in IE6
  • script doesn't seem to work in Opera 9
  • script breaks for some old skins, e.g. Nostalgia
  • &dontcountme=s is really obsolete
  • notice on MediaWiki talk:Common.js would be nice (I don't watch this forum)

However, the idea itself is nice and I support it. I suggest we move e.g. to Editing User talk:Pathoschild/Scripts/AJAX transclusion table to dicsuss technical details ∴ Alex Smotrov 06:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I moved the discussion to my talk page; I prefer to keep discussions in a few places, so they're easier to keep track of. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 06:53:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
It works in all skins now. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:28:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Now working in Opera 9. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:41:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Today I had the time to look at the code, found getAttribute('class') and table.innerHTML and then saw that you already fixed those, so I guess the code will work in IE soon.
I don't see why you need att object and why you have to "rebuild" the table. Also, 8 lines of code
for(var i=0; i<att.count; i++) {
		if(att.alltables[i].className) {
			if(att.alltables[i].className.match(/\battable\b/)) {
				att.tables[x] = att.alltables[i];
could be simple
for(var i=0; i<att.count; i++) {
		att.tables[x++] = att.alltables[i]
Alex Smotrov 18:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The object groups everything in a common namespace, which lets us use simple variable names without worrying about conflicts (like "rows" or "tables" or "count"). We need to rebuild tables because some browsers (like Firefox) do not allow row manipulation as table nodes, but only as tbody nodes. MediaWiki doesn't add the tbody element to tables, so we need to add them to the tables before we manipulate the rows. The script checks if there's a class first because some browsers give errors if you use .match() on something that is undefined (when checking an element with no class).
I'm working on it sporadically; it should work in Internet Explorer within a few days. Any other suggestions are welcome, of course. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:19:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

How was that colored brace-matching done? I proposed implementing such a thing for templates here. Snowball 22:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's handled by the SyntaxHighlight GeSHi extension. I suspect it would be difficult to add wikiML support, since it's not formally codified. It might also be difficult to apply to the edit box, because it uses HTML formatting (which cannot be used in a textbox) and would need to dynamically regenerate the formatting when the text was changed.
Syntax highlighting is possible with Javascript, although implementations that I know of are slow and unreliable. For example, see Cacycle's wikiEd. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:06:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Language subcommittee

Wikipedia Pontic

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Pages grecques dans la wikiversité d'incubation

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En faisant le tri sur l'incubateur des wikiversités, j'ai trouvé cette page qui recense encore des pages en grecques. Est-ce qu'elle a encore une utilité ?
Merci d'avance. Crochet.david 06:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Non, je l'ai marqué pour suppression. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:20:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Hindi Wikinews

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Wikisource Venetian

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Hi, I wrote 10 days ago to the langcom (here) asking about the current status of my request, but I didn't get any answer... I'm starting to think that my message wasn't noticed at all... Can you answer my question, or at least ask somebody else to do it? thanks. Candalua 12:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 12:05:13, 03 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikiversity Persian

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Senang Hati

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Please see User talk:Herbythyme#Davenbelle about more sleepers. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 07:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Herby has suggested a Steward and I see that you are one; Hi! The discussion on his page is a bit further along and the sleeper on wikiquote has just been blocked, but there are others. I have a list at User talk:Jack Merridew/Matrix and with a few exceptions they should be blocked. Not on my say-so, of course, but if you look into this, I believe you'll deem about a half dozen block appropriate.

Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 08:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

p.s. Senang Hati means 'Happy Heart' in Indonesian; see w:Senang Hati Foundation

Thanks for pointing this out. It is being discussed on Checkuser-l, and local checkusers will take the preventative actions they deem appropriate. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:17:26, 01 May 2008 (UTC)

custom regex tool

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Pathoschild, Sorry if you have the answer written somewhere already: I would like to set up the regex tool so that /foo/g -> bar is entered into the edit summary automatically. How can I do it? Hillgentleman 15:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC) P.S. At the moment the header occupies the whole page. It would be great if you could reduce most of it to a few lines. Hillgentleman 15:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can set it using setreason():
setreason('/foo/g -> bar');
You can also manipulate it directly using an alias:
editreason.value = '/foo/g -> bar';
Could you take a screenshot of the header? It's only a few lines at my resolution. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:34:00, 03 May 2008 (UTC)


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Hello, Pathoschild. I've copied your TemplateScript file to my monobook.js page, but it isn't working. Templates aren't appearing on Sidebar. Please let me know, what I must to do.--Srhat 06:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Srhat. I corrected the instructions and updated your JavaScript. It should work when you bypass your cache. (The script was broken by recently added restrictions for URL access points.) —{admin} Pathoschild 21:07:27, 04 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks--Srhat 15:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

persian wikinews

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hi pathoschild .today i was cheking meta's old pages so i found this and it seems that process was fully done before .check this page. and new voting is i think the project should begin.thanks indeed.--Mardetanha talk 16:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Mardetanha. That process was deprecated in 2006, and is no longer considered for the approval of new wikis. However, the wiki will be eligible for creation when the test project is consistently active with several editors. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:14:59, 04 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. i will try to motivate more people to be active there.thanks for your attention.--Mardetanha talk 21:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Length of submission

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Please note that I have "compressed" my submission from the excessive 1450 to exactly 1200 characters. BTW, I find this rather too little. Former years had longer submissions, which linked to even longer election manifests. But that is not for me to decide. Harel 20:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Harel. The character limit was implemented in 2005 at 1000, and increased last year to 1200. Previous election committees decided that this was necessary to avoid overloading translators, since translating even one of the 2004 candidate statements was a lot of work. We decided to maintain this limit, particularly with the new requirement that the full candidate page be translated before being displayed.
We also decided to disallow linking to unofficial pages due to concerns about unbalanced coverage. Since these unofficial pages are rarely translated, they are only available to a portion of the eligible voters. Disallowing them encourages candidates to state their positions briefly (making informed voting easier with less reading), significantly reduces translators' workload, and ensures fair accessibility of all the information available.
If you disagree with any of the rules, we welcome input from the community. We have already made a few changes to the rules after community discussion. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:08:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Translation/Translation requests/WMF/Our projects (nl)

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Hi Pathoschild,

(Copy from Aphaia's Talk Page)

I made a beta version in Dutch and added an extra category to mark it as translated.
I guess a better way is to use another template so it comes in the category for proofread/correction or whatever.
Can you explain me how, please? Templates are one of my weakest points unfortunately, I'm happy that I can read them ;-).
Greetings and thanks in advance, your would-be translator Patio 13:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Patio,
You can change the status at the template put on the top of Translation requests/WMF/Our projects/nl, now there Dutch version is indicated as "nl /Nederlands (needs updating)". Since the current "beta" version seems not to be updated yet, it would be better for us not to call it "translated" or "proofreading", since it needs more update & translation in my opinion.
If you would like to merge your user subpage version and the current one, please let me or any other meta admins know that.
If you have further questions about this "status" template, ask User:Pathoschild for information (He created it so has the best knowledge). Cheers,--Aphaia 13:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(end Copy)

Updated en removed extra Category as per Aphaia's request. How to change status to 'proofread' or something when applicable?
Thanks in advance for an answer Patio 10:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Patio. Sorry for the delay in responding. You can do it by editing Template:Translation/Translation requests/WMF/Our projects. In the edit box, there is this line: " |nl |needs updating". Simply change "needs updating" to "done" (or one of the other statuses listed at the top of the edit box). —{admin} Pathoschild 19:12:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I used "Proofreading". Some feedback of colleagues is always handy. Patio 09:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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Hi Pathoschild. I translated the variables you asked here. Thanks. Atabek 12:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. I'm only waiting for the Sakha translators, and then will file the request to create the wikis. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:15:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

<<<HELLO. I have a question regarding one of your translations. I saw the disputed "kavaz" where one translation says it means "cage." I can see the confusion due to the fact that the word "cage" translated to Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian is "kavez" with an "e". I am, however, curious as to what the word actually means. Your explanation was a bit unclear; does this word literally translate to "the bodyguard of a Pasha?" Once I was told that it means "soldier" in Turkish. Does this hold any truth? Can you please translate this word for me, I would greatly appreciate it. The reason I am curious is because I am writing an autobiography and I need to find out the history of my last name which is "Kavazovic." I already found out what the suffix "ovic" means. I really appreciate your further explanation of this word and any help you may give me.

Mercy K.>>>

Moteurs externes sur ja:

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J'ai corrigé le javascript pour les moteurs externes sur ja: et je cherche quelqu'un pour mettre la correction en place... ma version modifiée est ici : (au début, je comptais demander à un admin ja:, mais il semblerait que ceux ayant touché récemment à common.js sont en wikibreak, vacances, etc.). J'ai profité de la correction pour ajouter le moteur wikiwix (il est placé en premier pour l'instant, mais je peux modifier si cela ne convient pas).

Guillaumito 12:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bonjour Guillaumito. Demande s'il vous plait à un admin sur le wiki; je ne peut éditer l'interface sauf en cas d'urgence ou à la requête d'un admin. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:22:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
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I will ask the Limburgish community for consensus soon. But I've got a question. When the wiki will be created, can I get import rights, so I can see more easily that all pages are imported correctly? I'm familiour with the import tools (I've used them on wikia for example) --OosWesThoesBes 07:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello OosWesThoesBes. I don't know when the wiki will be created; that depends on Wikimedia's system administrators, and there are wikis that have been waiting months. We've tried to get the wikis created as soon as possible with no success. You can discuss the delay on the Foundation-l mailing list.
To get import access, hold an election or discussion on the wiki and post a request on Steward requests/Permissions. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:18:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, yes, I've seen that delay too. The hungarian Wikinews is waiting very long. 100 days? --OosWesThoesBes 08:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The wiki has been created. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:44:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Please don't change election rules and information

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Hello Anonymous Dissident. Please don't change the official elections rules and information. Every change triggers a large number of coordinated translation updates, and the change you introduced would require additional translation updates to remove it when the elections open next week. This is why the page is fully protected with a message asking administrators not to edit it.

If you'd like to suggest some changes, please add a message to the 2008 elections talk page and we'll deal with it as soon as possible. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:43:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I am very sorry for my action. I forgot to consider the translative difficulties that would arise as a result of the new material. As an aside though, I think it would be prudent to add some kind of outstanding notice at that section, because, as it currently is, it could lead to confusions about whether votes are accepted, and when. --Anonymous DissidentTalk 01:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's a good point; I was hoping that the red box at the top of every page would prevent confusion:
The election has not begun. Votes will not be accepted.
The translation period for candidate statements is currently underway.
Do you think some readers are skipping the red box? —{admin} Pathoschild 04:47:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
There's always someone. It's good to have a general warning, but then a more assertive and severe one at the relevant section. As it is now, what with the instructions of how to vote etc., it could mislead those few people who don't read the red box. --Anonymous DissidentTalk 07:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The election starts in a few days, so I think it's too late to add and translate the extra disclaimer. However, soon the boardvote software should be updated to tell voters when the election starts if they try to vote too early. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:59:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Final translation Wp/mdf

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Kranch provided translation needed, pls see [1]. Pls advise if anything else missing.--Numulunj pilgae 12:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks; the wiki has been created. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:36:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

ISO code vs. sufficiently unique

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Hello Pathoschild, I'd like to know: do you share the views of GerardM on Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Westphalian#Other_discussion, that the language subcommittee accepts every language with an ISO code, even when the text of the language policy would indicate else? --::Slomox:: >< 12:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, Gerard's opinions are his own only. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:46:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
So, do you think his decision on the proposal is correct? --::Slomox:: >< 14:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know enough about the languages to answer that; we'll need to investigate it more thoroughly before making a decision. Discussion on the page is one excellent source of information. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:05:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Notes for you

af:Gebruikerbespreking:Alias#Renaming, af:Special:Contributions/Daniel. Cheers, :) Daniel (talk) 08:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gan wikipedia

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Bonjour Pathoschild, je suis tellement content de te dire que Gan wikipedia est enfin crée. On a vraiment bien attendu pendant ces mois-ci. Mais je voudrais savoir quand ou comment on peut changer le logo de Gan wikipedia au lieu du logo de English wikipedia. En plus, il y a une chose grave qu'il y a presque d'un millier de pages de test project qui sont disparues après la création et il ne reste que 22 pages maintenant. Enfin, je viens de trouver quelque phrases mal traduises sur Gan Mediawiki, je voudrais savoir si l'on peut encore les corriger. Je te remercie!--Symane 15:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bonjour Symane. Si vous avez choisi un logo, téléchargez-le sur le wiki et demandez aux sysadmins d'utiliser cet image (modèle de requête). Vous pouvez corriger les messages sur translatewiki en tous temps (les corrections apparaîtrons sur le wiki avec un petit délai de quelque jours).
En ce qui est des pages manquantes, nous allons nous occuper de ça à l'instant. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 01:03:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Les pages manquantes ont été importées. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:54:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Bonjour. Merci pour votre réponse et j'ai suivi ce que vous m'avez raconté "télécharger le logo sur le wiki", mais je suis désolé que je n'arrive même pas à réussir le 1er étape. On note L'action que vous essayez de réaliser n'est accessible qu'aux utilisateurs des groupes Utilisateurs enregistrés, Administrateurs sur gan:Special:Upload.
A propos des pages manquantes, j'ai vu que le chiffre a augmenté à 535. Je vous remercie pour votre travail et j'espère que toutes les pages sont déjà importées. --Symane 13:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
J'ai réussi à créer un bug pour changer le logo. Mais le problème existe encore, il me semble que l'on n'est pas authorisé de upload des images sur Gan Wikipedia.--Symane 15:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Toutes les pages ont été importées; voyez gan:User:Pathoschild/Sandbox#Titles to be imported ("titres devant être importés"). Si vous voulez permettre le téléchargement des images pour tous les éditeurs, obtenez un consensus pour ce faire et créer une nouvelle requête sur bugzilla. Cependant, il est préférable de télécharger les images libres sur le Wikimedia Commons. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:21:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Merci à vous, c'est très gentil. (Pour le téléchargement des images, on peut les télécharger sur Wiki Commons, c'est pareil.) Alors une dernière chose à vous déranger, peut Gan wikipedia avoir une liste de caractères au-dessous de la zone de modification comme Yue Wikipedia? Cela facilitera beaucoup à modifier les articles parce qu'il y a de nombreux de caractères qui ne sont pas soutients par les méthodes d'entrée générales. Vous m'avez dit qu'il est praticable, donc je peux vous fournir la liste n'importe quand. --Symane 07:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Encore une chose à dire, il est marqué qu'il y a 932 articles à part des modèles et catégories sur gan:User:Pathoschild/Sandbox, mais on dit qu'il y a 535 page sur la une de Gan Wikipedia. Donc doit-il être combien le chiffre dans l'histoire? Merci.--Symane 08:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tu peut ajouter une liste de caractères en créant gan:MediaWiki:Edittools avec un contenu similaire au suivant: <charinsert>Á á Ć ć</charinsert>.
Les statistique semblent ignorer "les pages minimales (« ébauches »)", ce qui pourrait expliquer le petite nombre puisque la majorité des articles sur le gan-Wikipedia sont encore minimes. Ca pourrait aussi être une erreur qui semble s'avoir produit sur plusieurs des nouveaux wikis (voyez bug 14359, problèmes avec les statistiques sur le Wikipedia Sakha). —{admin} Pathoschild 21:47:54, 02 June 2008 (UTC)
Merci! J'ai ajouté une liste de caractères toute à l'heure, gan:Template:Edittools. Mais on n'a pas d'authorisation de modifier gan:MediaWiki:Edittools. Je ne sais pas comment mettre en oeuvre la liste finalement.--Symane 11:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
J'ai placé {{edittools}} sur MediaWiki:Edittools, ce qui vous permet de le modifier indirectement sans accès sysop. Je suggère l'élection de sysops sur gan-Wikipedia. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:38:21, 03 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, tout est parfait maintenant. Je vous remercie et je reserve le droit de vous déranger en tous temps. :) A plus. --Symane 11:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Encore un petit problème, j'ai créé un page sur gan:User:Symane/MediaWiki:Common.css, pouvez-vous le transporter à gan:MediaWiki:Common.css afin de changer la taille de police des caractères sur Gan wiki. Merci. --Symane 13:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)--Symane 10:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

email ping...

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Ping. (thank you) :) --Emesee 05:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Response ping. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 05:30:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Notification emails

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Hi there,

Regarding the voting stage that's soon to start, I understand you guys are considering notification e-mails and apparently they will be sent out. I'm not very clear about how you're going to use the translated notification e-mails. Should we translate the replaceable placeholders such as "user name" or "name of project you've been active on" or leave them untouched in English? Also, will there be notifications on the various village pumps? Thanks, Harel 20:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Harel. We'll probably replace the placeholders with plain text soon (usernameWikimedian, and project where most activeWikipedia), so that they're easier to distribute. We will leave messages on community pages, for those voters who do not have confirmed email addresses. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:37:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. I still do not understand how you're going to replace the name of the project, for example, in the local language, without the translators preparing the proper terms for that. But maybe there's some cool template that you can use for that. Harel 06:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We don't have a cool template, but KTC is working on a cool script. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 23:10:45, 02 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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Hello, could you please have a look at this proposition[2], whether it is placed and listed in the right place and whether the discussion follows the proper pattern. Thank you very much in advance.--Moldopodo 15:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It looks fine. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:13:14, 02 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem with voter list?

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Hi there,

Two users from hewiki told me that the voting system won't let them vote, although they (quite clearly) qualify to vote. These are he:User:ברוקולי and he:User:ברי"א. Could you please advise? Harel 09:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Harel. According to our voter list, those two users are indefinitely blocked (in which case they could not vote). That's not accurate, although they do have a block history. I have to go, but I'll investigate it when I return this afternoon. Sorry for the inconvenience. —{admin} Pathoschild 09:10:43, 01 June 2008 (UTC)
Both are active, positive wikipedians. I know of a block history for one of them, and at any rate they are definitely not indefinitely blocked - you got something wrong in your data. I'll wait patiently. Harel 09:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Same also holds for he:User:חגי אדלר. I sense you have some kind of system-wide problem. Is it possibly because of the user names with Hebrew characters?? (just a silly wild guess) - none of these users is indefblocked. Harel 09:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is most likely the problem. Everyone on hewiki was considered indefblocked and hence disqualified because the script used to generate the list of voters by Tim gave everyones IP as localhost, and that IP was blocked. This seems to be the same problem which is causing similar problems at nlwiki, with the same blocking administrator. Daniel (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, we unblocked I'll ask the voters who couldn't vote try again. Harel 15:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Harel, they still won't be able to. Tim will need to regenerate the list and send it to SPI, which will hopefully be done as soon as possible. Then, once SPI get it and update the list of eligable voters, then they will be able to vote. Asking them to try up until that point will be pointless. Daniel (talk) 15:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, I informed them as you said. I hope that's the end of the problems. Harel 16:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, we just heard back from SPI indicating they've updated their global lists. Maybe get one he person to try, and if it works, tell them all it has been fixed. Let me know if it works, also, please :) Daniel (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Problem seems to be solved. Thanks a lot, Daniel! Harel 16:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New flags for AlleborgoBot

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Hi! Can you set bot status for my AlleborgoBot and AlleborgoBot? These wiki has no bureucrat and bot policy approved. Thank you very much. --Alleborgo 12:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:51:02, 04 June 2008 (UTC)

Vote : problem with the french welcome message

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Hi Pathoschild, i just report here a bug concerning the welcome message in french about the votation ( : the message appears speaking about Board Election 2007 and giving a link on Meta to the board candidates in 2007. And this is not due to the translation. Guérin Nicolas 19:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looking into it... —{admin} Pathoschild 21:24:17, 03 June 2008 (UTC)
Fixed. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:52:11, 03 June 2008 (UTC)
I voted from the and everything look all right. Thanks, the french version looks now stable. Guérin Nicolas     15:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Steward request on Ro:Wikiquote

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Hello! I am a sysop at Romanian Wikiquote and I'd like to request something: see this and please flag "WelcomeBot". It's my own bot and the period for voting has expired. Thank you a lot! --Firilacroco 12:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:16:55, 04 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, please see my comment at that page’s talk page: it is not at all clear what one should put on the page to be excluded. Simply ~~~~? Cheers, H. (talk) 08:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Follow up about hacking the Board vote

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Please read my response at User talk:Daniel. Shalom Yechiel 02:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Problem with the voting software: please read carefully!

See the last paragraph of User:Shalom Yechiel/2008 WMF Board elections.

Regarding the final paragraph of my statement: this is actually a very serious problem waiting to happen. Just to make sure I wasn't fooling myself, I actually tried to hijack an eligible account and succeeded in doing so. On English Wikipedia, the archives of WP:CHU are readily accessible, so all I had to do was to find a user who had 600+ edits including 50 edits between March 1 and May 31, 2008, and who had been renamed to another account. I succeeded in doing so. w:User:Ohyeahmormons renamed himself to w:User:Irk but did not create his old account to prevent impersonation. I just now created that account and logged into Special:BoardVote. I am in fact able to vote from that account even though the edits attributed to that account belong to someone else. I have far too much integrity to double-vote on a board election, but if there is a hole in the voting security system, someone is likely to exploit it, especially since I already spilled the w:WP:BEANS. I assume you have the ear of the Foundation representatives who are managing the election. Do me a favor and tell them about this security hole, and see what can be done to rectify the potential problem. I would summarize it like this: even when edits have been attributed to a new username on a local wiki, they are still attributed to the old username on the election software, and the old username can be created by anyone who wants it. I have no way of knowing how many accounts can be hijacked in this manner by someone determined to rig the election: probably a couple dozen. Certainly that's enough to warrant notification to the election governing body.

I'll sleep better at night if you can tell me that you've forwarded this concern to someone who can act upon it. Thank you. Shalom Yechiel 20:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Shalom Yachiel. Ohyeahmormons is not on the eligible voter list. When you go to Special:Boardvote, does it redirect you and say "Welcome Ohyeahmormons@enwiki"? Could you try casting a vote? (We'll strike the vote, so there's no need to worry about double-voting.) —{admin} Pathoschild 20:59:48, 05 June 2008 (UTC)
As best I can recall, on Thursday when I tried to enter the voting screen with Ohyeahmormons, I was given permission to see the voting screen, so I could have voted. When I tried again to enter just now, I was told that Ohyeahmormons is not eligible to vote. I'm not sure what changed.
Anyway, I assume the voting auditors have something similar to "checkuser", and if I had voted, it would have been from the same IP address as my main account. Hopefully that will be enough to deter any shenanigans. Shalom Yechiel 02:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, we have access to the same information as checkusers and are on the lookout for abuse. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:28:34, 08 June 2008 (UTC)

Babel templates vs Babel extension

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Working on the translations to the Babel extension over at translatewiki I had a strange feeling of déjà-vu, then remembered fixing the translations of your templates here (Irish is still on your list, but it's done BTW). What I'm wondering is, are you aware of the extension and is there any effort to co-ordinate or merge the two? I notice that the extension seems to have an extra level (professional) in addition to the 6 used here. That's a word that's hard to translate as I don't really know what's meant by it! ☸ Moilleadóir 22:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The babel extension was developed separately from the {{user language}} system. It's based on the system used by the English Wikipedia and has only vague definitions of each level (the {{user language}} system is based on crosswiki discussion and statistics, and has specific definitions). The author has already indicated he has no interest in changing it to merge the systems. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:52:45, 09 June 2008 (UTC)
Ah, that's a pity. ☸ Moilleadóir 21:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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My english is not so well but i will try anyway. I was so free to steal your userpage en translate it in dutch (my country). I liked it so much i want to use it for my own :)


Sterkebak 14:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's fine. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:05:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Poll for global sysops

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May you prepare the voting page for global sysops policy? I am definitely bad with finding right templates and so on... --Millosh 09:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I created a rough draft at Steward requests/Global permissions. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:10:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for confusing wording: I asked you for making a poll for the adoption of the policy :) (While the page for the permissions is needed, too.) --Millosh
You should probably do that on Metapub instead of a separate page. (You don't need any templates, just summarize the proposal.) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:28:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Done. And thanks! --Millosh 11:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

batch bot request

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hi, Pathoschild, I request for several bot flags and list here follwing the instruction of user:birdy. can you help me to authorize the bot flag. Thanks!--Vipuser 14:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've proposed the bot policy on that wiki. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:16:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! can you authorize gan:user:vipbot and gan:user:CarsracBot right now, because these two bots edited so many times every day and listed on the recent pages influence the human users.--Vipuser 08:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I flagged CarsracBot ahead of the standard bot policy implementation, but Vipbot is not eligible for steward approval under the policy. You'll need to wait for the vote period to be over. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:16:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Open proxy??

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My IP address has been blocked from editing wikipedia articles because it is an "open proxy". I find the open proxy pages explanation pages difficult to understand. Is it possible that my Ip address has been blocked due to the creation of more than one user profiles from it? I have never vandalized and have only done postive constructive acticities on wikipedia and have started an article as well... so how come my actions have ended up warranting a block?Leif edling 16:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Leif edling. When you try to edit, you should see an error message. Please copy the text that appears in the box at the top, which provides the information I need to look into the block. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:28:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


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A lot of work done, especially since Anthere commented in detail which was very helpful. Take a look - I'll pick up comments off IRC later today if we miss each other. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hello Pathoschild, I figured that it is very hard to find a certain user-language - skill -level in the categories, therefore I added a toc, but N seems not to exist and 5 shows users with level 1 O.o Please could You maybe find out what the problem is, many thanks in advance, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 07:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed; the sort key doesn't match the proficiency codes, which would list users in reverse order. I added the links to the description text: "This category sorts German speakers by order of fluency (1=native, 2=fluent, 3=intermediate, 4=basic)." —{admin} Pathoschild 21:03:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Logo for ext wikipedia

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Hi Pathoschild! I don't know the person i have to talk with, but well... i hope you could help me. We have uploaded a logo for the extremaduran wikipedia at ext:Image:Wiki.png, and i've asked for the change here, but there is a warning that says that configuration changes on the wikis should be requested in a central place by filing a note in our bugzilla, and i don't know how to do that... could you help me? Greetings! Better 14:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Better. To file a request to change the logo:
  1. click this link to auto-start a ticket (register an account or log in if necessary);
  2. review the form and link to a discussion if there was one;
  3. click "Commit".
{admin} Pathoschild 21:41:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Done. Thank you very much! Better 08:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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Sallut Pathoschild, je voudrais bien savoir si il faut être renommé aux labs pour l'unified login. C'est le dernier projet où j'ai une compte. Si oui, je dois faire un demande ici? Le projet a seulement deux bureaucrates. Merci beucoup pour votre aide. - Jorge Morais 14:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bonjour Jorge Morais. Vos noms doivent être identiques pour l'unification. Vous pouvez faire votre demande auprès de Bastique, un bureaucrate actif selon une analyse.
À titre d'information, la connexion automatique au wikis n'inclut pas le domaine, sauf Meta et Commons (les autres bénéfices de l'unification sont toutefois disponible sur ces wikis). Ceci est une mesure de sécurité, puisque il y a plusieurs wikis privés sur le domaine. Voyez bug 14407: "CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator".
{admin} Pathoschild 15:40:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

hewiki checkusering

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Hi there,

I saw hewiki got central stage in the checkusering related to the board elections. That might be unsurprising, considering our very high turnout this time. I wish there were a way where you could contact some reliable person in our community and verify that certain users are not sockpuppets. We are a small community and we know the people personally. Some IPs are simply university labs and other places where many users edit from the same place. Maybe you can contant one of our checkusers (possibly not me, because I'm a candidate in this election). I can tell you that from looking at the names of users from hewiki who voted, I know the vast majority of them very well and cannot think who among them might possibly be sockpuppets. Harel 19:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you; there are a few cases we might need local checkusers' help with, as I noted in the archival section. We're looking closely at hewiki voters because they often edit from the same IP addresses with similar or identical software profiles; I think many users are voting from computer labs or behind ISP proxies, as you suggested. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:45:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I sent you an e-mail explaining the specific cases you checked (I can view the logs on hewiki... which makes sense). They're all well known editors in our community with familial connections. They turn up at meetups and we know they're different people... Harel 19:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Do you know the four users I checked after your email? —{admin} Pathoschild 20:19:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes I do. Two siblings (living with their parents) and a couple (as in married couple). They're all wellknown, flesh-and-blood editors. Harel 20:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Board elections statistics

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Hi again. Another issue: some of the data you posted on your election-statistics-subpage here after the elections contains data that seems old and erroneous. It lists projects in a section that should be according to language, not project, and the numbers of voters are smaller than in [3]. It seems the data is both old and that there was some mixup along the way. Can you explain the differences? Harel 04:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:42:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

New bot policy for some wiki

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Hi! Since I've implemented the standard bot policy on some new wiki (ch, ilo) I ask you to give a bot flag to my bot on those wiki:

If you think that has sense there are also these well known bots on that wikies:

Thank you very much! --Alleborgo 10:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All done except SpBot@chwiki, which hasn't done the test edits required for automatic approval (100 edits or 1 week). —{admin} Pathoschild 14:22:35, 08 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much again! --Alleborgo 07:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Total number of eligible accounts

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I'd like to make an estimate of the turnout in the board vote, but your statistics page doesn't quite give enough information. You quote 31900 accounts meeting edit-count requirements, but some of these are bots or are blocked, hence not eligible. You also quote 21804 unique accounts which are eligible and have a unique e-mail address. My reading of the rules is that you don't have to have an e-mail address to vote, so the question is, how many eligible accounts are there (or if you like, how many eligible accounts are there without e-mail addresses).

I do realise some of these will be multiple accounts belonging to the same person, but we can estimate this fraction based on your data on unique e-mails. PaddyLeahy 21:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adjusted numbers:
  • 31900 accounts meet edit requirements;
  • ≈28898 accounts are eligible (not bot or blocked);
  • ≈21804 unique email addresses in valid format.
{admin} Pathoschild 14:39:55, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

OTRS permissions

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Hey Pathos.

Fecal storm on commons, see OTRS ticket. Apparently numerous images uploaded without permission/source from the actual photographers. Ugh. Thought you should know. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:17:05, 02 July 2008 (UTC)

Cebuano Wiktionary

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Hi, Pathoschild! I'm Abastillas, a Cebuano Wikipedian. I would like to ask for your help, as we would like to "re-request" the Cebuano Wikipedia, but I don't have the slightest idea how. Hope you could help. Thanks! --Abastillas 14:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Abastillas. Please follow the procedure explained at Meta:Language proposal policy, with the request page at Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Cebuano 2. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:48:34, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

LINK FA inflation on Lombard wikipedia

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Sorry for writing in english, neither my italian nor my lombard are good enough to communicate my point. There is a problem in the quality of the featured articles here in the lombaard wikipedia. I would not care, if this problem did not spill over to the german wikipedia: There is a Bot, called LinkFA-Bot, setting star-links in the interwiki menu to featured articles in other languages. However, entering such a «featured article» often reveals a stub or an otherwise very unpolished and imperfect article, leading to the frustration of the users.

The user behind LinkFA-Bot takes a formalistic stance: Every wikipedia decides on their own what articles to feature and the bot automatically assigns the stars. Thus my request: Check all featured articles and unfeature the unworthy.

See also: Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Lombard Wikipedia (in englisch), de:Benutzer Diskussion:Guandalug (the person behind LinkFA-Bot, Discussion in german, I can provide an english translation if needed) 17:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello 134. I do not know why you are proposing this on my talk page. I suggest discussing this with the Lombard Wikipedia community instead. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:54:23, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

Applicability of the Standard Bot Policy in wiki with bureaucrat

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Hi, Pathoschild. I would like to ask you a question regarding the applicability of the Standard Bot Policy.

I'm currently a bureaucreat in the Georgian Wiktionary. This wiki has very low activity and I'm kind of a "honorary" bureaucrat. Truth is, I check the site not very often and it's likely that bot requests may linger there for some time unanswered. So, my question is, despite there being a bureaucreat (me), is it still possible to enforce the Standard Bot Policy with automatic approval? Thanks, Malafaya 10:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, it can be used if there are local bureaucrats, and there is a template text for such cases. See Bot policy/Implementation for more information, and feel free to ask me if you have other questions. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:58:03, 08 July 2008 (UTC)

Logo at ext wikipedia

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Hi Pathoschild! I have a problem, i hope you could help me. Sometime ago,i ask you about how to change the logo in the wikipedia, i did the request but the problem is that the logo continue being in english :( I don't know if this is normal (may be they are on holidays) but well... i would like to be sure. Thank you! Better 09:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, our system administrators can be slow to respond to individual requests. You can try poking them in the #wikimedia-tech IRC channel, or constructively commenting on the bug request page so that it reappears in the recent changes. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:15:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


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Hello Pathoschild.

/* use templates */
	if(form == 'edit') {
		/* append */
		inputbox.value += templates[templateid][2];

This code adds text to bottom of page. Many of templates must be added to top of page. To resolve this problem, we must change the code with this;

	if(form == 'edit') {
		/* append */
		inputbox.value = templates[templateid][2] + inputbox.value;

Thank you --Srhat 13:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Srhat. Yes, that script is intended to append (rather than insert) templates. If you want more control, you might like the more advanced regex menu framework. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:09:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Teochew language code request

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Hi Pathoschild,

We are currently requesting for the creation of the Teochew language edition of Wikipedia.

The problem now is that, Teochew is currently classified as a 'dialect' of Minnan and so Teochew currently does not have an ISO-639-3 recognition.

According to Glossika, Teochew has an overall 50.4% of mutual intelligibility with the Xiamen dialect (Minnan). (This can be contrasted with the Galician language having an 85% intelligibility with the Portuguese language [4]).

The Writing system used by the online Teochew community is the modified version of the Guangdong romanization system called "Peng'im". (For example, the "Teochew language" would be written as "Dio7 ziu1 uê7")

The Teochew community do not use the POJ writing system which was adopted on Minnan Wikipedia. Most of them have grave difficulty reading and writing in POJ. In fact, the Taiwanese contributors on Minnan Wikipedia admit that Teochew is distinct enough to be given a separate Wikipedia (See the discussion).

Due to these facts, I believe that the Teochew language is unique enough to deserve being given its own distinct ISO-639-3 language code recognition. I also believe that the online Teochew and Taiwanese Minnan community would be willing to support the creation of a Teochew Wikipedia separate from Minnan Wikipedia.

Would it be possible if you could help submit a Request for Change to ISO 639-3 Language Code form?

Regards, --Jose77 23:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not personally well-acquainted with the ISO 639-3 processes, but I think GerardM will be able to help you. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:27:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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You'd previously removed the "developers" global right from the template. We've got a RfC at Requests_for_comments/Special_global_permissions regarding creation of a "Sysadmin" global right (separate from the Steward global, but otherwise identical, for both transparency and clarity reasons).

I'd like your opinion on both the proposed right at the RfC and if it may/might be applicable to the User classes template as a (proposed). Thanks! Kylu 21:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Existing groups should be linked from the template, but I don't think we should add proposed groups to it. I'm not sure the proposed 'sysadmin' group is useful (per Simetrical's comment and because sysadmins could use the steward group in the same way), but neither would it be bad. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:37:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Gan Wikitionary

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Hi Patho, could you please create a Wikitionary for Gan language. Gan has already her own Wikipedia, so I plan to developpe another wiki projet with others, in order to make a good dictionary of Gan's whole vocabulary. Thank you! --Symane 12:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please see Requests for new languages for information relating to starting a new project. Cbrown1023 talk 13:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
[5], [6], it's okay? --Symane 11:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, those are fine. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:43:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

re:Request for global rollback

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Hello .snoopy.. Please provide some links or other evidence to support your request for global rollback (see example), as requested on the global rollback description page. This makes it easier to review a request, and makes it more clear to interested users why you are suitable for the access (which is important to avoid controversy during the implementation of the global rollback group). Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:28:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I put some links in the discussion. --.snoopy. 07:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Global bot

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Can you explain about global bot? I think global bot is cross-wiki bot status. is it correct?--Kwj2772 07:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes. There is a list of wikis called 'standard bot policy', which contains the wikis that have agreed to allow global bots. When a bot is approved for global bot access, it is simultaneously flagged as a bot on all those wikis (and any future wikis that agree to global bots). This reduces workload for both bot operators and communities, since it's no longer necessary to make a new request for every wiki (if the bot is only for accepted uncontroversial tasks). —{admin} Pathoschild 08:09:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Pathoschild. About the set of wikis "Standard bot policy", I see the following log:

04:48, 25 lug 2008 Pathoschild (discussione | contributi) created opt-in based wiki set Standard bot policy with following wikis: aywiki, bawiki, bclwiki, bmwiki, bpywiki, cbk_zamwiki, cdowiki, chwiki, crhwiki, cswikinews, csbwiki, cuwiki, diqwiki, dsbwiki, eowiktionary, frpwiki, furwiki, gawiktionary, ganwiki, gdwiktionary, guwiki, gvwiki, hawwiki, hiwiki, hifwiki, hsbwiki, huwikinews, iewiki, igwiki, ilowiki, iowiki, itwikibooks, itwiki, itwikiquote, iuwiki, jbowiki, kawiktionary, kaawiki, knwiki, kowikiquote, kowikisource, kwwiki, kywiki, ladwiki, liwiktionary, lmowiki, ltwiktionary, metawiki, map_bmswiki, mdfwiki, mkwiki, mnwiki, myvwiki, nawiki, nahwiki, newwiki, novwiki, nvwiki, omwiki, oswiki, pawiki, papwiki, pswiki, rowikiquote, ruwikibooks, rmywiki, sawiki, sahwiki, siwiki, sdwiki, simplewikiquote, skwiktionary, smwiki, sowiki, swwiki, tiwiki, tnwiki, towiki, ugwiktionary, uzwiki, wawiki, wuuwiki, yiwiki, yowiki, zh_min_nanwiktionary ‎ (Wikis using the standard bot policy, for eventual sharing of eligible bot access)

You also included the wikis which decided not to join the standard bot policy (they're metawiki, itwiki and sowiki). Please remove them from the group. :-) --Pietrodn · talk with me 13:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There are no global bots yet, so the group was initially created with all the standard policy wikis (since it cannot be created empty). Now that some wikis have approved global bots, I'll replace the list with those that have opted in. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:21:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Metawiki subscribes to the standard bot policy. I don't think I've ever seen otherwise. Kylu 03:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It does, but until recently it was mistakenly listed as not allowing steward approval. I corrected that today. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:29:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

And, it can be applied in wiki which doesn't have "standard bot policy"?--Kwj2772 02:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is possible, but the requirements and policy for global bots is defined by the standard bot policy. Are you thinking of a particular wiki, or is that a hypothetical question? —{admin} Pathoschild 03:00:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Meta-Steward relationship

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We could use you at WM:MSR also, Pathoschild. :) Kylu 04:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think that may be useful as a descriptive page, but there's no need to have it as policy. It adds very little not already covered by existing policies, particularly by the stewards policy. What it adds could neatly be covered elsewhere; for example, the "Sensitive permissions" section could be a single sentence on the relevant request pages. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:51:13, 04 August 2008 (UTC)

Global bot on wuu wikipedia

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I moved your proposition here, where more people come.

I approve this proposition, because the communauty is very small.


--Hercule 19:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:29:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


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Can you please sort the request for new languages again ? Thanks, GerardM 08:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:58:48, 02 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Pathos. I added EnWP to this page and the corresponding template, per the discussion I've linked to. I wasn't sure about the step at Bot_policy/Implementation#Implementation considering EnWP already has a fully fledged bot policy and things might work a bit differently there to other wikis. Can you advise on if that statement should still be added to the local bot policy page? (And I take it you'll (as a steward) be opting into the global bot group now?). Cheers. —Giggy 10:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC) (EnWP bot approvals group member)Reply[reply]

I've added a short note to en-Wikipedia's bot policy page that it allows global bots, adjusted the global list to show that it otherwise does not use the policy, and enabled global bots on that wiki. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:00:33, 04 August 2008 (UTC)
Looks good, thanks. —Giggy 23:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bot policy

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Hi, why did you move down #Community consensus in the Bot policy? I want to try implementing it on nlwiki, where we have an active community and active bureaucrats, but to me the current version isn't clear in that case. For example the Automatic approval states "If there is no such community", but there has been no mention of a community yet. Based on the older version I believe that operators can get either global bot status or need community approval. Is that correct or can they also apply for automatic approval here without input from our community or bureaucrats? Cheers, Erwin(85) 11:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out; do these clarifications help? —{admin} Pathoschild 17:28:47, 04 August 2008 (UTC)
They do. Thanks. --Erwin(85) 18:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Channel #cvn-wp-ar

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Could you setup the channel please?--Alnokta 17:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Hello?--Alnokta 17:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. I'll try to get a bot into that channel; see #countervandalism on IRC if you have questions. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:53:32, 05 August 2008 (UTC)

Babel importer's log

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Dear Pathoschild,

After deciding to implement the User language system in it.wikisource (and subsequently on la.source) I feel like a betatester, so I'm writing my thoughts here for your reflections.

  • I imported the main layout template (and called it it:s:Template:Utente), and I aimed to have it looking as similar as possible with the old box. I used your sandbox to pick up the gradient from pink to green and I arranged the code to keep the current subcategories. At the end I feel almot satisfied.
  • I've just finished with the localized subpages and I think I have understood their mechanism. I made a great effort last year in order to have the most updated babel templates so (with your permission) I could use their texts to add missing localizations here on meta. Tell me if there's something i should know.

I remain with a bad taste on my mouth when I had to adapt all this work with the pre-existing situation: most users all around the wikiworld have a code like {{babel|en|fr-3|es-2|pt-1}} and also in it. and la.source it works this way. I tried to find out a parserfunction workaround to transform "User fr-3" in "User


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Hi, Pathos. Since you were in the Election Committee, could I ask you a suggestion? How could we use (and adapt) the Special:Boardvote code for Wikimedia Italia board elections (without the support of a third-party site)? Is this a good idea? Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is possible, but you will need someone who can adjust the extension code for your needs:
  • the code needs changes to deal with different vote requirements, not using a third-party site, and so forth (ask KTC about what changes would be needed);
  • the interface messages need to be corrected, and non-Italian messages either removed or corrected too;
  • the extension uses Schulze preferential voting, so you would need to rewrite it if you want to use another voting system.
{admin} Pathoschild 02:52:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Hum, Wikimedia France will also need to work with this extension to manage its votes. Thank you for this information, I will also follow the discussion. Crochet.david 08:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. But, we can use the previous version, which did not use the Schulze method, can't we? --Nemo 12:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The previous version uses approval voting. You can probably use it, but the new version might contain bug fixes that you will not have. —{admin} Pathoschild 13:19:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Pontic Wikipedia

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Hello pathoschild. We finished translation of the most-used messages and now, we must do an active project to create pontic community. whether need something alse? --Consta 07:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, that is the only remaining requirement. —{admin} Pathoschild 13:49:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Global bots on kl Wikipedia

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Hi, global bots were recently allowed on kl Wikipedia, but the edits of my bot are visible. Should somebody turn on this feature? --Silvonen 03:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Now sswiki has the same problem. I suppose we should add some instructions for those who allow global bots in their projects? --Silvonen 17:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry for the delay, I've been visiting a friend recently. I updated the list, so they should be flagged on those wikis now. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:00:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Global bots on ruwiki

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The use of policy was approved for global bots only (like with enwiki) — vvv 15:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, updated. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:01:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Global bot status

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Hi Pathos. Can you remove global bot status from WikiDreamer Bot? This bot is running one year old version! In enwiki, Bot flag was removed and blocked with an expiry time of indefinite. In frwiki and itwiki, Flag removal requests are currently in progress. Removing global bot status from this bot can be done with standard bot policy? I'd like to know that. Best regards.--Kwj2772 04:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

oops. Already done by User:Darkoneko. I'm sorry.--Kwj2772 14:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hi, I would like to help out at open proxies, I am requesting that "Verify" me as a user. My main account is en:user:Prom3th3an Thanks Prom3th3an 03:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Participating in the Meta project primarily requires adminship here or on several wikis, and it will soon be obsoleted by ProxyDB. You could help on w:Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies, though; you can ask to be verified on the talk page. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:31:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Add Wikimania to portal

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Pathos, could you update the grid at (at Www.wikimedia.org_template) to include a link at the bottom (under the Meta image), to the Wikimania site at [7]?

Also could you update the link redirect at the site to point at the 2009 Wikimania page, not the 2008 page? I just remember you having some pretty good coding skills at this sorta thing. unsigned by MBisanz 14:57, 2 September 2008.

I added Wikimania to the template, but I cannot update the subdomain redirect. Please ask developers in #wikimedia-tech. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:12:51, 02 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you . MBisanz talk 16:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hello again pathos, I saw that all wikipedias who have created their own logo. Hence the Pontic community wants to acquire its own logo. There are many logos like as greek anh english wikipedia:

The above text(down the wikipedias' logo) is translated in Pontic as: Τ' ανοιχτόν η εγκυκλοπαίδεια (The Free Encyclopedia) and the greek term Βικιπαίδεια above the main text. Do you know how we can do that - what should go?--Consta 10:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can make a logo request, but it will be much faster if you can find someone to modify the image yourself. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:50:36, 03 September 2008 (UTC)

Global bots in Lithuanian Wiktionary

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I'm support global bots. Marking of global bots are more designed to local administrators. And this are not additional requirements on individual global bot.

Global bot policy in Lithuanian Wiktionary is accepted by time lag and without objections. Please update the local policy. --Vpovilaitis apt. 08:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bot flagged

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Pathosbot has been flagged, as consensus was very obvious at the forum where it was being discussed. Best of luck in its operation. Cheers, —Anonymous DissidentTalk 11:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 16:24:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Pontic wiki

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I saw that the pontic wiki approved when we move to : 16:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Pontic Wikipedia is not approved yet, although the subcommittee is currently discussing whether to do so. Ideally, it should be approved within a week. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:26:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


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What discussion where ? Thanks, GerardM 21:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The discussion on your talk page. The original request was for a Mainfränkisch Wikipedia that would include Old Frankish. You explained that your rejection was due to its inclusion of Old Frankish; I removed Old Frankish from the request as suggested, so the request is now valid. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:13:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
What has not been clarified is that in the places mentioned people speak Main-Frankish. So your analysis is wrong. GerardM 05:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
People in the mentioned places speak Main Frankish. What's the problem with that? Why does this invalidate Pathoschild's analysis? --::Slomox:: >< 09:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for checkuser -->JackyCheung@zhwikipedia

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HI,Pathoschild Please check the IP of this user .This user is accused for using anonymous IP user to do damaging.I hope you can check it as soon as possible since the user is now being blocked by admins of chinese wikipedia.Anyway, thanks for helping.

--Jacky Jai 13:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Jai. Please ask on Steward requests/Checkuser, and also say which IP address he is accused of using to vandalize. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:07:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
hi.Can the result of checking keep secret?--Jacky Jai 08:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply] is the IP which was vandalizing,please check--Jacky Jai 08:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Steward actions must be public. Details can be kept confidential in unusual cases when it is necessary, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:05:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Global bots on afwiki

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Hi Pathoschild, global bots are allowed on afwiki, but their edits are not yet hidden. --Silvonen 05:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed. It hadn't been added to the software's whitelist yet. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:52:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! BTW, can ordinary users see the whitelist somewhere? --Silvonen 08:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not on the wiki, but I wrote a script to show global group data at —{admin} Pathoschild 11:38:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

error on

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Hi Pathoschild, can you correct my error on Zxabot is a bot, and not a sysop. thanks :) --.snoopy. 07:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've removed their sysop access. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 07:14:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


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[8]. I was fixing some vandalism, and must have accidentally erased the whole section. Thanks for ramifying this. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 14:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're welcome. —{admin} Pathoschild 13:38:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles on R dawkins and the god delusion

Pathoschild Good day

I have tried to enter the following coment both on Richard Dawkins' page and The god delusion page , but people keep on changing it affirming it is irrelevant .

However I am not professing any religious view , just pointing out the fact that his observations have a fundamental epistemological flaw , I am trying to add more ideas but people seem to be very fanatical about his own scientific theories , as any other person could be fanatical for any theory either religious or scientific . The change I was trying to do is : The philosopher Leonardo Boff has criticized such atheistic views stating that : all of these questionings spring from a fundamental epistemological mistake which is to seek to place God and religion in the ambit of reason. . I am a student of Philosophy at MacQuairie University and think that ideas that discuss theories have to be under the scrutinity of basic philosophical argument, hence my reason of putting in Boff' s comments as a counterpoint , I don not want to be dismissed by words such as irrelevant or else that betray the unwillingness of the author to those who oppose their monolithic views.

If you go to the page you will see I had put the references fror his articles but another user had it changing excusing it as a blog as well when it is not . The author is a scholar and the article belongs to his website and has been published in books and newspapers in Portuguese.

Thanks for all help

Ger Hostins

Hello Ger Hostins. Please see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for guidance on resolving this dispute. —{admin} Pathoschild 13:40:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

admin for papiamento

I think I would like to become an Admin for the Papiamento Wikipedia. I am relatively new to editing Wikipedia so I don't know how or if I should pursue this. I have some ideas for promoting the Wikipedia to native speakers and trying to get more involvement but I don't want to try that until there is an Admin checking in at least once a day. Have you any advice or suggestions? --Rikat 23:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Rikat. You can request renewable temporary administrator status on Steward requests/Permissions. Permanent access is only given after election by the community. —{admin} Pathoschild 13:41:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Bot policy on Ewe

ee: Wikipedia has agreed to introduce standard bot policy, including global bots. See I'm writing this to you rather than doing it myself because I'm afraid I would forget a step in the latter case. - Andre Engels 10:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:01:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Ptbotgourou on IUwikipedia

Dear Pathoschild, first thanks to take in charge most of my bot flag request and to be so comprehensive. Regarding the this request, I'm a bit disappointed because my bot already have the global bot flag... so I don't understood the local sysop response... Should I redo my request ? --Gdgourou 21:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since you have global bot access, it's not necessary to request bot access on any wiki where global bots are enabled. They are enabled on iuwiki. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:03:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
OK I understood but should it be better if my bot has the bot flag on each wiki ? Because the SUL doesn't indicate that my bot has the bot flag on IU and lot others... --Gdgourou 22:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, your global bot access is listed on Special:GlobalUsers/Global_bot and SUL:Ptbotgourou. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:25:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I perhaps a bit stupid (doesn't hesitate to say so ;-) ) but to have a local bot flag, I should make a request for each wiki that allow automatic approval or not ? --Gdgourou 22:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, although you shouldn't request for wikis that allow global bots (that defeats the purpose of having the global bot flag). —{admin} Pathoschild 22:43:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't understood something but couldn't find what. At this time, my bot has the flag bot on almost 45 wikis, according to the SUL. He don't have the flag on a lot of wikipedia family sites. According to the SUL, and after comparaison with the automatic approval policy, I should request the flag on the following wikis :
  • request since more than a week : afwiki, bawiki, bmwiki, bpywiki, diqwiki, fowiki, frpwiki, iuwiki, newwiki,
    Should I create immediately all these requests on Steward_requests/Bot_status#Bot_status_requests or the automatic approval is done by someone ?
  • test launch on September 25 : cbk-zamwiki, cdowiki, chwiki, crhwiki, csbwiki, dsbwiki, iuwiki, eewiki, furwiki, ganwiki, guwiki, gvwiki, hawwiki, hiwiki, ifwiki, hsbwiki, iewiki, igwiki, ilowiki, iowiki, jbowiki, kaawiki, klwiki, knwiki, kwwiki, kywiki, ladwiki, lmowiki, lnwiki, map-bmswiki, mdfwiki, mgwiki, mnwiki, myvwiki, nahwiki, nawiki, novwiki, nvwiki, omwiki, oswiki, pawiki, papwiki, pdcwiki, pswiki, rmywiki, rmwiki, roa-tarawiki, sahwiki, sawiki, sdwiki, siwiki, skwiki, smwiki, sowiki, swwiki, tetwiki, tiwiki, tnwiki, towiki, tswiki, uzwiki, wawiki, wuuwiki, xalwiki, yiwiki, yowiki
    I should wait a couple of days...
Sorry for disturbing... --Gdgourou 22:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think I understood something... the global bot status isn't shown on SUL... it take only into account the local bot status... Will be something in the future to show the automatically approved local status 'cause of global status with the SUL ? --Gdgourou 22:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In consequence I should bother anyone anymore for the wiki listed above ... That's right ? I ask you because I disappointed with empty cells of the column Status on the SUL page... ;) --Gdgourou 23:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Which page are you referring to when you say "on SUL"? Do you mean vvv's SUL util, or Special:CentralAuth, or another page? —{admin} Pathoschild 00:55:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I referring to the SUL util (column Flags of the table). --Gdgourou 10:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That column is for local groups; the global groups are listed in the box at the top. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:32:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Has a request been made to developers to create a local status named global bot ? ... It's only to avoid these empty cells on SUL util... ;-). Sincerely --Gdgourou 08:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

more zh wikinews cleanup

[9] John Vandenberg 15:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:43:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Logo problem in the Tarandíne Wikipedia

Hello Pathoschild. We have a problem with the corner logo on the Tarandíne Wikipedia ( We have now our local logo but we currectly can't switch from the English one to our translated one. That's because there's a mistake we can't correct ourselves. See this extract from the source code of our main page:

<div class="portlet" id="p-logo">
		<a style="background-image: url(/images/wiki-en.png);" href="/wiki/Pagene_Prengep%C3%A1le" title="Visit the Main Page [z]" accesskey="z"></a>

As you can see, the it uses a file path to global file. Thus, we can't replace the logo with the translated version (or special anniversary versions) by simply replacing the file.

A correct source code would look like this excerpt from the Asturian Wikipedia:

	<div class="portlet" id="p-logo">
		<a style="background-image: url(;" href="/wiki/Portada" title="Visita a la Portada [z]" accesskey="z"></a>


By the /ast/ in the file path you can clearly see that it uses a file that's uploaded locally to the Asturian Wikipedia. And if you give a look to the file history of their logo, you can see that they've already used several special-occasion logos.

We have now replaced our logo by adding a script to our Monobook.css, but this only works with Firefox, while in IE you see two logos. Also, the logo can't be clicked to reach the main page.

I hope you can help us solving this problem :-)

Greets, Kazu89 14:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC), Administrator with user name Andreas on roa-tara.wikiReply[reply]

Hello Kazu89. To file a request to change the logo (you only need to do this once, then you can upload new versions):
  1. click this link to auto-start a ticket (register an account or log in if necessary);
  2. review the form and link to a discussion if there was one;
  3. click "Commit".
{admin} Pathoschild 18:43:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Bot policy on ia.wikipedia

Dear Pathoschild, ia.wikipedia has agreed to introduce standard bot policy, including global bots. Regards, --Julian 16:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, I enabled it yesterday. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:02:18, 06 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot policy on fawiki

I have aded Persian Wikipedia to the list of Wikipedias which support use of Global Bots. The intent is that people can request for bot permission on Meta (instead of locally) as long as it is an interwiki (or any other type that meets the Global Bot policy). Huji 15:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, enabled. —Pathoschild 22:41:40, 06 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot policy on gotwiki proposed

Pathoschild, I've proposed the Standard Bot Policy in the Gothic Wikipedia. I may forget about this in a week, when it's time to implement it, so here's a reminder for you :). Cheers, Malafaya 10:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One question: what happens with global bots in wikis that have just implemented the standard policy (namely the global bots part)? Do they get immediately flagged in that wiki? Malafaya 10:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I added it to my discussion watchlist, so I'll take care of it if you forget.
Global bots get access instantly when the wiki is added to the "Global bots wikis" set (see list and rights, log). I normally update the wiki set within a few hours of implementation.
Pathoschild 11:31:25, 09 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your answers. That reminds me that whenever I implement the bot policy in a wiki, I never alert you for that fact and it looks to me now as a need since you have to update the wikis set (something I was not aware of). Sorry. Malafaya 22:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is fine. There is no need to notify me separately if you list them on Bot policy/Implementation or {{bot policy}}, since they are on my watchlist. —Pathoschild 00:41:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Global Bot Flag for DragonBot

Would appreciate if you could look at Steward_requests/Bot_status#Global_bot_status_for_DragonBot. --Jacob 14:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please wait a few days to allow comment. —Pathoschild 15:56:43, 09 October 2008 (UTC)
Eight days since request. Bot has flag in all the largest 34 wikis (in terms of number of pages) and in all wikis where it applied for bot flag (60+). Please take a look... --Jacob 22:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's friday :) --Jacob 06:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But not yet Friday afternoon. ;) —Pathoschild 06:32:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Globat bot @ hewiki

Hi, I had suggested accepting global bots in the Hebrew Wikipedia and received support [10] (currently the last topic). Note that automatic approval is not accepted. Can you implement this? I think we should be added to the small list after the table in Bot_policy/Implementation#Where_it_is_policy. Thanks, Yonidebest 20:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —Pathoschild 23:47:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot policy on fowiki

Hi Pathoschild,

does the new bot policy mean that we can redirect bot request to some other page? (this would be nice, for our small language) best regards Quackor 09:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC) @ fowikiReply[reply]

Hello Quackor. Yes, you can redirect bot requests to any page you choose; just update fo:Project:Bot policy to point to the correct page. —Pathoschild 10:36:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
But is there no default page for this? At for example en.wp. who can handle bot status for all pages. Quackor 11:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC) @ fowikiReply[reply]
No, but some wikis ask that bot operators place their requests on another wiki (usually the largest wiki in that language). The English Wikipedia would be a bad choice for this, given their very strict rules and procedures for bots. I'm also not sure their bot approvals group would agree to decide bot requests on another wiki. —Pathoschild 02:28:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Samoic Tongan

Hello Pathoschild, you restored Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Swabian after I tried to "discuss" (or whatever the right word is for talking to him and he responding with the eversame [most often unrelated] arguments) the topic with GerardM. Gerard has done the same with Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Samoic Tongan. Could you restore and properly close (if Gerard's asessment was right) the request too? --::Slomox:: >< 14:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Restored and deleted; there appears to be no such language. —Pathoschild 22:47:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

allowing template loop

Pathoschild, Do you know how to hack the mediawiki parser to allow template looping during transclusion (e.g. as you would do if you want to calculate n!) I only know how to write recursions for substituted templates (with the old double-parsing parser). --Hillgentleman 18:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can't think of a way to do so. Let me know if you find out, though. —Pathoschild 18:49:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Globat bot @ bewiki

Hi, the suggestion to accept global bots in Belarusian Wikipedia has got support[11]. Can you implement this? Thanks, MaximLitvin 20:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —Pathoschild 22:05:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Rights testing

Do you intend to revert right tests you made 11 days ago? Majorly talk 00:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —Pathoschild 00:30:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Majorly talk 00:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bot policy on, and

Hello Pathoschild,, and did not object the bot policy proposal. Regards, --Julian 21:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I enabled global bots on those wikis. —Pathoschild 22:46:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


Note to self: tool to search and scroll through Special:Globalusers, with filters by lock/hide status.

Bot for edits on the same page (e.g. user page) in every wiki

Sticking a note on your talk page. :p --Thogo (talk) 00:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So the idea is it's a pywiki bot you'll run from your own account. It'll run through every wiki which exists, autocreating accounts as it goes, and will optionally write to your userpage and/or your monobook.js replacing whatever's there with specified text (possibly taken from a .txt file or somesuch). Should probably also accept a list of wikis not to touch.

I've received a bunch of complaints about people wanting to get into working cross-wiki, but who can't be bothered to add stuff to their monobook on that many wikis, so this will hopefully make things easier to recruit people. Thanks a ton.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done; anyone with a global account can leave a request on user:Pathoschild/Scripts/SynchCrosswiki. (I'll add a separate script users can run themselves to auto-create accounts on all wikis.) —Pathoschild 10:13:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Global page


I have heard you have a bot that can make a page on all wiki's. Is it possible with that bot to create a user page and a monobook css on all wiki? Cheers, Sterkebaktalk 05:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yep; just leave a note on User:Pathoschild/Scripts/SynchCrosswiki. —Pathoschild 06:03:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

SynchCrossWiki script

Hi Pathoschild, I noticed that you are using the SynchCrossWiki script also on the Limburgish wiki. However, it created a monobook.js for a user (Shanel) who does not even have an account on the Limburgish wiki... - Pahles 16:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Pahles. Shanel does have an account there, although she doesn't have a user page. Since she has a global account, her name is also reserved on every wiki; her local account would be created automatically on her next visit (if she didn't already have one). —Pathoschild 18:21:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Global notifications

Hello Pathoschild,
Spacebirdy told me that we both have started similar projects pretty the same time :-) You write that User:Pathoschild/Scripts/SynchCrosswiki will be done per requests. Does your bot run from a server? Global notifications will be fully automated, but only for announcements. My backend is implemented since months (like you, I will not publish that too, due to abuse reasons), only the "frontend" yet needs a little bit of work (for being as flexible as possible, hopefully). Spacebirdy asked whether we could work together (or how to complement best)! --- Best regards, Melancholie 10:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Melancholie. I run the script from my computer, but it's implemented as a pywikipedia class so it could be run from a server. The bot can edit different pages on every wiki, place the most relevant translation available for the wiki's language, append (or prepend) rather than overwrite, can be fully automated (if conf_exist = False), and has error-handling. The interface is interactive command-line. However, it's not designed to be run indirectly (using a server script based on user input, for example); it's best run locally with occasional human supervision.
How is your script implemented, and what are its current capabilities? I'm fine with collaborating. —Pathoschild 18:46:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
My implementation is also based on PyWikipediaBot, bundled with a parsing Perl script. It will work from my server, autonomously (so it cannot be that flexible than yours, I think). It also has a multilingual function (MediaWiki based), but actually the very most notifications will be in English (will have to, as global).
I read that you do not yet work on some special wikis, use:
usernames['wikiversity']['beta'] = 'BotName'
usernames['wikisource']['-'] = 'BotName'
...betawiki?,omegawiki? --- Best regards, Melancholie 19:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, I was looking for those. The script works from a list of targets; it would be easy to add non-Wikimedia wikis if someone asks, but I would need to create accounts there too. —Pathoschild 20:06:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC) (expanded below, edit conflict)
Thanks, I'll add those.
My bot uses pywikipedia's wikipedia.translate('lang', dictionary) function for multilingual support. You just pass it a language code and a list of translations, and it returns the best match.
The script works from a list of targets, so it is easy to add a new wiki (if it is supported by pywikipedia). For example, to edit the same title on a set of wikis:
wikis = [
    ('wikiversity', 'beta'),
    ('wikisource', '-'),
    ('betawiki', 'en'),
    ('omegawiki', 'en')

# loop to process each page using bot.getNextPage() goes here
The main reason the bot doesn't include all Wikimedia wikis is laziness; each special wiki requires a special exception in the list script. ;) —Pathoschild 21:04:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and my bot does not have SysOp rights on all those wikis as you have as a steward ;-) So, editing others' *.js is not possible for me. --- Greetings, Melancholie 20:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@pywikipedia dict: Having those Betawiki status updates in mind, I probably will have to change my MediaWiki based multilingual support to something like yours, too (to let my server do the work instead, as messages could be repetitive). But my parsing script is a Perl one, so no dict. By the way, it looks like you are using a modified; how will you handle updates of the original script? (although most could be modular, it's why I thought to better make parsing/executing parts separated) Have you thought about maintaining stuff like blacklists globally with your account (keeping it up-to-date)? --- Best regards, Melancholie 18:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You could do the same with a Perl hash, but you'd need to port wikipedia.translate() to Perl. What do you mean by maintaining blacklists?
I haven't changed any pywikipedia files (except a few family files to fix open wikis marked as closed). The bot has a list-based iterator: bot.iterateOn(wikis) above parses the wikis list (imported from synchbot_config) into an internal stack of pages in the form (family, lang, title), filling missing values from the current site and page data (so you can have a list of page titles on one wiki, for example). Then I simply loop while bot.getNextPage(), which pops a page off the stack and sends it to bot.goto() to update the bot's internal Site and Page instances as needed.
Pathoschild 21:23:16, 01 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, didn't know. @blacklists: Currently there are pages like blacklists that are maintained locally, sometimes outdated or even faulty. Just wondered if there could be a global part of such feature pages that is the same on all wikis (as for small and new ones that pages are even empty at all). --- Greetings, Melancholie 21:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's a global title blacklist on Meta, but the bot could do such tasks (using the usual request page). —Pathoschild 23:10:45, 01 November 2008 (UTC)

Current language code in content

Is it possible to have something that is written vary by wiki but the rest remain the same? I have text I'd like to propagate but it contains a language code which I would want to have be the language code of the local wiki (see User:Lar/Generic ... where it uses zz I want it to use whatever lang that wiki is if it makes sense for it to do so ) ... thanks. So in other words, something like substitution variables? This sounds really neat though. Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 22:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure, that would be easy to code; just make sure to mention that if you add a request. However, many wikis may not have those templates, and you don't have a local account on all wikis (I have a script to auto-create local accounts, if you'd like).
On a side note, this script would work very well for synchronizing the {{user language}} system on multiple wikis.Pathoschild 22:44:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I've hand pasted some instances of what is in ...generic on some wikis where there were not templates and just left it that way. I seem to recall that in at least one case I came back and someone had created them in the interim. But yes, propagating the {{user language}} system seems like a very good idea to me... does it need buyin from the locals though, I wonder? If it WERE propagated I'd no doubt do some surgery on Generic to use it properly. Yes I also probably should go forth and use that auto-create-account script of yours too. I was doing it by hand from that one page you had but got bored :) (this was way before SUL) ++Lar: t/c 02:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Propagating the {{user language}} system probably needs local consensus on each wiki.
If you have Python installed, you can auto-create your accounts by running pywikipedia -all -pass:PASSWORD with the configuration generated by pywikipedialist. —Pathoschild 08:32:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip! Worked a treat, except for a few anomalies... the generated config seems to have a few wikis that reports as not existing. Not sure where the best place to report that is, I can email you, or post to your main talk as the script page titlebar suggests? Just LMK. Now I just have to decide exactly what I want the box to say (it might need a tweak or two, although I think it's pretty sound) before I do the request. (it was fun standing on the refresh key for special:centralAuth and watching the list grow in real time) ++Lar: t/c 11:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The pywikipedia developers tend to mark wikis as obsolete even if they're not locked; for example, is marked as obsolete (based on a closure discussion), despite still being open. The pywikipedialist script only skips wikis if they're actually closed. You can tweak pywikipedia to edit these wikis normally, but that's probably not worth it unless you're running on all wikis repeatedly. —Pathoschild 15:55:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


Is it possible to have this script do a search and replace, e.g. re.sub()? That would be useful to update existing pages without overwriting them. --Erwin(85) 19:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, although that's wandering a bit outside its intended purpose. —Pathoschild 20:23:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Not TOO far, I hope... it would be a very useful thing to do, to be able to update things if there was a reason to. ++Lar: t/c 01:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not so far now; its purpose has expanded a lot. It was originally designed as a simple overwrite script that edited the same title on all wikis, but now it's a full-fledge crosswiki bot. Anything a pywikipedia bot can do on one wiki, it can do on any number of wikis and titles. If there are particular tasks you have in mind, just leave a note on the request page. —Pathoschild 02:02:08, 02 November 2008 (UTC)
For now just the language code replacement thing was all I thought of... I get the idea you're working on more general regex replacement capability too though? ++Lar: t/c 13:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It already has that. :) —Pathoschild 15:55:05, 02 November 2008 (UTC)

Steward scripts

Hi... nosing around, I ran across this: User:Pathoschild/Scripts/StewardScript.js ... is it ready for prime time yet? As you know I currently use code you shared to "Add "quick access" boxes on Special:CentralAuth" ... I tried switching away from that to the StewardScript because it has that AND more nifty stuff. But my monobook's such a mess that i'm not sure if it failed because I did it wrong (probably) or because you're not quite done yet. (so I reverted back for now) ... one of these days I need to take the time to clean out all the cruft in there that's been replaced with gadgets and the like. It's kind of a chore to try to understand the differences among the various wikis so I've fallen behind on that. ++Lar: t/c 13:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nope, it's not ready. I've been working on Ajax sysop lately, so I haven't had time to get that to a stable release. I'll let you know when it's ready for use. —Pathoschild 15:54:37, 02 November 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary Masry

Dear Pathoschild, the follwong request for update was made by user Ghaly few days ago, and i would really appreicates if you could write a line or two telling us if we are on the right track or close to success in the near future:

  • I think on the analysis script now shows 14 editors, including 6 non grayed editors four of them are known active users for a long time on wikipedia Masry and on wikitionary Masry as well , would that make any difference to the possibility of approval? Ghaly 07:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Many Thanks--Ramsis II 16:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, Thanks for making my userpage global. ;-)

Cheers, Sterkebaktalk 06:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Global notifications summaries

Hi, the WikimediaNotifier currently just writes *** global announcement *** in the edit summary of each new message. Would it be possible to add some more useful information there, eg. the topic/title of the announcement? With such a small change, people could already decide on their watchlist or on recent changes whether they are interested to check out the news more closely. --Latebird 10:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Latebird. I've passed your message to Melancholie, which runs WikimediaNotifier. You can watch for her response at User talk:Melancholie#Improve_edit_summary. —Pathoschild 18:31:32, 04 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oops, just noticed that I was barking up the wrong tree here, sorry. There's a link to one of your scripts on the notifier page that led me to incorrect conclusions. Thanks for forwarding my question to the right place. --Latebird 21:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Global bot policy on ko.Wikisource

Yesterday, I added the Korean Wikisource at approval of global bot policy list. So, I hope - Please set the Korean Wikisource as approval of global bot policy wiki. --Albamhandae 07:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. —Pathoschild 15:35:05, 07 November 2008 (UTC)