Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Admins and patrollers/Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements

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  • Problem: New Page Review is a key process on Wikipedia, and the only firewall that prevents inappropriate new pages being added to the Encyclopedia. However, there are many longstanding issues with the Page Curation tools and the New Pages feed which inhibit efficiency and cause problems to be overlooked. Aside from a few additions made when the Growth Team added Articles for Creation (AfC) drafts to the New Page Feed last year, the tools haven't been supported for many years and the list of proposed developments is long. These include bugs, features never implemented, and suggested improvements which have been left unaddressed. While a few requests for improvement of the tools used by New Page Reviewers can be addressed by on-wiki customisation by volunteers, most others are part of the Mediawiki software and require the intervention of the WMF developers.

    We have been repeatedly informed that the Community Tech Team does not have the resources to provide ongoing support for the tools they developed (or even to fix bugs that have popped up) and that this wishlist is the only venue for us to come to for technical assistance. While some of the tasks below are almost trivially easy, others may require a significant time investment.

  • Who would benefit: While New Page Reviewers and admins are the only users with access to the Page Curation tools, ultimately the entire wiki benefits from the work that we do. AfC drafts were recently added to the New Page Feed, and many of the suggested improvements here would also benefit the AfC team. The English wiki is also not the only one that could benefit, as these tools are not only relegated to EN Wikipedia but were originally designed to be available for use on other wikis as well (I am not currently aware of how many wikis the PC tools are configured on, but they certainly could be in the future).
  • Proposed solution: The requested improvements come in a few categories:
    • Bugs that should have been fixed a long time ago,
    • Additional sorting options and additional 'potential issues' flagging in the PC tools and New Pages Feed, which would help to flag problems for reviewers to follow up on,
    • Resources dedicated to other suggested improvements supported by the New Page Reviewer community to make them more user-friendly and improve efficiency.
  • More comments: While there were several dozen good suggested improvements, we have listed only the highest priority items below by their Phabricator tickets, in the hope that at least some of our most pressing concerns will be addressed.

Discussion[edit]

Insertcleverphrasehere: Just a heads up, if you didn't notice -- we've moved this proposal from "Miscellaneous" to "Admins and patrollers". -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 18:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

  • T207452 in particular would be a really helpful bit. Hopefully the reduction in mooted ideas will help some focus without completely limiting where the benefit gets focused to. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:07, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Question: Apart from English Wikipedia, is there any other WMF project that uses NewPagesFeed? 4nn1l2 (talk) 05:02, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Possibly not at this moment in time, because it is still not perfect until the wished for upgrades are carried out. The English Wikipedia is however by far the most important project and being synonymous with the word Wikipedia is the source for all the undesirable pages masquerading as encyclopedia articles. As a MediaWiki extension, it could probably be ported to other WikiMedia projects (and even other non-Foundation projects who want to use it). It should be borne in mind however that without a well performing New Page vetting system, the English Wikipedia will cease to exist as we know it. Kudpung (talk) 06:16, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Voting[edit]

  • Support SupportInsertcleverphrasehere (or here) 18:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support - Atsme📞📧 18:17, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support - Wholeheartedly. Onel5969 TT me 18:34, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support James Martindale (talk) 18:34, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Rosguill (talk) 18:38, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Alucard 16 (talk) 18:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support definitely.--SkyGazer 512 (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Regards, — Moe Epsilon 18:40, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support I have been using this tool for some time now and the required updates will make it easier to contribute. --Satdeep Gill (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support.Flooded with them hundreds (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Kb03 (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Kges1901 (talk) 18:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Drm310 (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Galobtter (talk) 18:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support — Would only better the—in my opinion—already good new page reviewing process at the English Wikipedia. SshibumXZ (talk) 18:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Theroadislong (talk) 18:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Pkbwcgs (talk) 18:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Saederup92 (talk) 18:49, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Shellwood (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Wumbolo (talk) 18:54, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Mark the train (talk) 18:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support MER-C (talk) 18:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Anaxial (talk) 18:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Pichpich (talk) 19:00, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Redalert2fan (talk) 19:01, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support — Newslinger talk 19:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support MrX (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Staszek Lem (talk) 19:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support SEMMENDINGER (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support StudiesWorld (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Seacactus 13 (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Agtx (talk) 19:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Zchrykng (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Argento Surfer (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Kosack (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ive done some Page curation, and will do more if the function gets developed Dan Koehl (talk) 19:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support strongly, this is a vital tool Atlantic306 (talk) 19:41, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support please also try to bring it to other language Wikipedias. Thanks much Cohaf (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I knew this will be passed nevertheless, and ICPH and the team (Inc kudpung as I read the Phab tickets) had done a hell load of good work which should be recognized so I don't see the point of opposing. However, I would like to register my strong dislike of Kudpung comments above. Yes, English Wikipedia is important but not until the fact that all other projects seems to be in a totally dependent state. I simply doesn't buy it. --Cohaf (talk) 19:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support - very strongly, particularly with the increasing merging of NPP and AfC Nosebagbear (talk) 19:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support The WMF needs to commit to ongoing support for the page curation tools. If they cannot do that, they should instead create and limit themselves to supporting an API that enables community development. It is an outrage that this ticket, by necessity, includes request for bug fixes. Until then, this wish list is, apparently, the only way that new page reviewers can get the development support they need. Vexations (talk) 19:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support = paul2520 (talk) 19:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support FitIndia Talk 19:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support L293D ( • ) 19:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support CoolSkittle (talk) 20:07, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Bradv (talk) 20:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support My name is not dave (talk) 20:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support with the hope for continued and/or increased development and maintenance effort in this regard. --Elmidae (talk) 20:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support as a specific item, it would be good if the New Pages Tool could spot check for already existing tags and checkmarks; as I've been burned for doing regular tagging that was redundant with some somewhat hidden tags. AngusWOOF (talk) 20:22, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Geoff Who, me? 20:30, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Dodger67 (talk) 20:35, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Vermont (talk) 21:31, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support (disclosure: I get the NPP newsletter) — pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 22:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support NPP is an important safeguard to retaining Wikipedia's reputation. Hopefully its tools could also be brought to other projects. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:13, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:29, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Araratic (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support John Broughton (talk) 23:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support A well-thought-through set of requests which would improve the effectiveness of the dedicated volunteers who defend the encyclopedia from an oncoming tide of rubbish. PamD (talk) 23:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ToThAc (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support — JJMC89(T·C) 00:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Gehenna1510 (talk) 00:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Supportnumbermaniac 00:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Anarchyte (work | talk) 00:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support- Dcheagle (talk) 01:17, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support-CASSIOPEIA (talk) 01:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support AmericanAir88 (talk) 01:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support SupportAkhiljaxxn (talk) 01:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Natureium (talk) 02:16, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support MRD2014 (talk) 03:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 04:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support JTP (talkcontribs) 04:46, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Abzeronow (talk) 04:52, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ehime«» 05:46, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support about time Kudpung (talk) 07:17, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Kpgjhpjm (talk) 07:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Domdeparis (talk) 07:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support this is essential for maintaining the integrity of wikipedia. Polyamorph (talk) 08:56, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support good. 333-blue 09:49, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote oversat.svg Strong oppose I know there are no Opposes but this would not benefit most of the users. --FF-11 (talk) 09:56, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose I am minded to agree that this would not help most users, and in general I find the heavy proceduralization of new page patrol to be a problem. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:03, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
    Comment Comment: FF-11 & Jo-Jo Eumerus, We were not that keen to take up a slot in the community wishlist either (although the wishlist is not just for proposals that help 'all users', this is the 'Admins and Patrollers' section after all). We have been forced to come here as a last resort as we have been told in no-uncertain-terms that they won't even do bug fixes to the existing tools unless we come here. It's a crappy situation, but we don't have an alternative. As for a potential for over-proceduralization of NPP, I'd be keen to discuss in more detail elsewhere (please contact me on my talk page). Cheers, — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 16:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
    Comment Comment, FF-11 & Jo-Jo Eumerus, as can be seen, many of the various wish list requests do not address all users. However, the impact of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing affects all new users who wish to create new articles. The current level of 'proceduralization' has never changed since NPP was introduced at the very beginning of the Wikipedia. These requsts do not over-proceduralize the process, nor do they even add any more layers of bureaucracy to it. They simply improve the work flow for the users who do this thankless task and who are unable to keep up with the flood of junk that will fill the encyclopedia if they don't. Kudpung (talk) 06:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support PratyushSinha101 (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Patriccck (talk) 10:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Jc86035 (talk) 10:56, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ‐‐1997kB (talk) 11:03, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support AlexLeeCN (talk) 11:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Much needed for the project Cahk (talk) 11:46, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Jcc (talk) 12:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Like tears in rain (talk) 12:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support This seems reasonable. I have seen canvassing.GreyGreenWhy (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
    Comment Comment GreyGreenWhy, Note that canvassing is allowed (and even encouraged) by the rules of the Community Wishlist. See talk page for more info. I don't want anyone to think we have done anything untoward by spreading the word about this proposal. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 16:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Though bug fixes such as T169441 should really not be having to come through this Wishlist route AllyD (talk) 20:20, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Mmitchell10 (talk) 20:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Far and away the most important proposal on the Community Wishlist Survey this year. Kind of absurd that we have to vote in bug fixes for what is essentially core functionality at this point. Snuge purveyor (talk) 22:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support support completely! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 02:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Catrìona (talk) 06:04, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Sdkb (talk) 11:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk) 11:59, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Eddie891 (talk) 12:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Sebastian Wallroth (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support enL3X1 ¡‹delayed reaction›¡ 14:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC) #94
  • Support Support SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --AntanO 15:58, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Schwede66 (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ProgrammingGeek talktome 19:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ajpolino (talk) 20:42, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Esquivalience (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Barbara (WVS) (talk) 00:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Titore (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Shizhao (talk) 02:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Handling new pages efficiently is essential. Johnuniq (talk) 04:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support I find it absurd that this process is the only way that these tools may even be fixed. The Foundation claims to want to help new editors, and spends much on outreach and the like, but when it comes to actual action to help new editors get their content into search engines via NPP, it's "just another feature on the wishlist". Without a working NPP process, all work on outreach is essentially wasted. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 05:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Give NPP the tools they need (in proper condition) to succeed. — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 05:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support SupportTeratix 06:28, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support This is something that is long overdue....it helps the English Wikipedia and can be deployed in other wikis when they will gain a bit more of girth....so....Why the hell not ? FR30799386 (talk) 07:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Waddie96 (talk) 07:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support We have to work towards making NPR as effective as AfC , and automation is the only way to go ! Devopam (talk) 07:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Chandan Guha (talk) 08:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support - This will certainly enhance the work output at NPP. HitroMilanese (talk) 09:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Remagoxer (talk) 10:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support SupportTheLongTone (talk) 11:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Courcelles 14:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Strikerforce (talk) 15:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Randomeditor1000 (talk) 15:04, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ONUnicorn (talk) 16:02, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Much needed JackTracker (talk) 18:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Chris Troutman (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support - unclear how much weight the argument "it won't help most users" can be given. If anything, this only means that more people will find NPP accessible and decide to undertake a role in it. El cid, el campeador (talk) 20:04, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Weegaweek (talk) 20:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)