Hi dude! Hello from brazil!
Why not learn the language of the fifth largest country by geographical area in the world? Portuguese!
Congrats for the Election!
- I would like to. But I am not a genius and so I have to learn them one after the other. lol. --Wing 13:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations man, I hope you make a good job ;)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk)
It has been dormant. I have been thinking the same thing since Wikimania, however. We still have our irc channel. I was thinking specifically about running a two-month "how to publish a newsletter" session during the production of the next edition, to help train newbies in what is involved. +sj | help with translation |+ 08:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- I think we could do much better in terms of parallel translations today, since we actually have so many more talented multilingual people -- but somehow we have fewer multilingual communication channels. One of the difficulties in sustaining interest in the Quarto process was the lack of other many-language efforts other than the translation of the week. Some sort of brief announcements that are little more than an exercise in 30-language synchronized publishing might help there. +sj | help with translation |+ 08:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I think you speak of two very critical points. The one is recruiting authors, the other is translating. How was these done in the past? On the authoring side I am thinking of invite people write articles, and I would also accept people write articles in their own language and try to find translators to do the translation for them. How do you think of this?--Wing 13:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- To recruit, one should target four groups : authors, translators, designers, and [copy]editors/proofreaders. The translators do more work than anyone, but it is easy to schedule and can be split up across dozens of people. Authors can be harder to find, and this requires people with some real interest in writing a complete piece -- as you note, it should be in their native language, or the one in which it is easiest to compose. Designers have an interesting task, and for the right people, an enjoyable one -- giving more attention to great images and media, and laying out the text flow around them. Copyeditors in each language need to make sure the articles make sense, and have no typos or broken links. Final editors need to see that the whole work is balanced and meaningful, to keep individual people in touch with one another, and to maintain the schedule.
- We recruited by writing to the quarto and translators mailing lists, and to individual project lists to ask for article ideas. Today, as there are more individual project-level publications, I would start by contacting some of those groups first, and starting a discussion with them before making the broader call for participation. +sj | help with translation |+ 21:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Classical Chinese Wikipedia discussion: No Original Research
Wing, On your comment in the mailing list :
Please consider that "No Original Research" is refers mostly to the information and not so much the way you write it; otherwise all translation, and even many a wikipedia article, would contain a lot of original "research". Hillgentleman 05:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Félicitations pour ton élection !
--Jérôme Clament-Sanz 23:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Attribution of GFDL-licensed content on Wikipedia for Schools
Hi Ting - I hope your term as Trustee is going well. I just read a blog post from Danny Wool here that points out, quite correctly, that the content of Wikipedia for Schools does not comply with the GFDL's requirements. This means that the WMF is essentially stealing content written by thousands of Wikipedia contributors. As one of the community's representatives on the Board of Trustees, could you do something about this? Best, Sarcasticidealist 22:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks very much for your response on this, Wing. Sarcasticidealist 23:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations from Aguri
Hi dear, [Aguri] from Libya says congratulations for you...best wishes dear.--220.127.116.11 19:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Translation- Machine Vs Human: Use across Wikipedias in any Language
My posting on Translation Request talk page
Patelurology2 01:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Signpost interview request
Wing, I invite you to answer a set of questions for the Wikipedia Signpost about your board candidacy: w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009 Board elections/Ting Chen. If you choose to do so, please let me know. I also encourage you to respond by 26 July; interviews with all candidates who respond will be publicized in the 27 July issue of the Signpost.
Ragesoss 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Congrats on topping the field for a second straight year, Wing, and good luck over the next two years. Sarcasticidealist 20:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations for you reelection, keep on the good work. Dror_K 20:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
You were definitely amongst my favorite candidates and I am glad you make it again this year. Congratulations, --Góngora (T•ES) 21:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Second year in a row. Glad that I placed my confidence in the right person. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- That is an excellent sign. Now we really have to try to revive regular multilingual communication to the community. I look forward to seeing you soon. -- sj | translate | + 22:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! :) -- phoebe 21:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Same from me Wing. You deserve to have more time for the job ! My trust is in you. Anthere
Gratuliere! --MaanMeis 01:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Bon courage! --JijunMa 02:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
呃...无意在头顶看到了选举公布，留言恭喜一下。--奔流沙 05:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations, keep up the good work as before. PhoneixS 07:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations!--章·安德魯 11:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations!--18.104.22.168 14:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
恭喜恭喜！--PhiLiP 15:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I am very happy for your victory, I´m a new user in es wikipedia and i only want to wish you happiness and prosperity in the mandate, I only ask you to be benevolent and friendly and have good luck in the future Attentivly: NazcaiN
Hi i am new on wikipedia
i saw your name being a ranker , congratulations for that , i wanted to write an article in fact i wrote many previously but all got deleted. I don't know what should i do about it could you please help me , since i think its been a bit harsh on my part that i have been writing articles and even specifying the significance of the same but they are been deleted so brutally.
Can you please help me out with this :)
my email address is email@example.com
Kalpit.nagrecha 18:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Best wishes from Germany and India: What's about China and the rest of the world ?
Hello, Wing! Meine besten Glückwünsche... Congrats for the election as top no 1. as I see you are multi-lingual and you enjoy my own native language (Willkommen in Deutschland), same on my own I am heavily involved working with India and it's huge musical culture. So I wish you to connect China with the rest of the world, peacefully, in harmony and with respect... we need more than ever a "hand in hand". Good luck ! - --JayAr 18:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Gratulation aus Nordeutschland
Moin, moin, Wing, herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Wahlerfolg! Viel Glück und Erfolg und stets eine ruhige und geduldige Prüfung aller Optionen wünscht --22.214.171.124 18:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hallo Wing, herzlichen Glückwunsch und für gute deutsch-chinesische-englische-französische Beziehungen! --126.96.36.199 21:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations for win the 2009 Board Elections! Good luck! =) Tosão 19:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Вітаю! - on Ukrainian!
Хай щастить! - Good luck!
Nickispeaki 20:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
You were my second choice after Kat Walsh, who also got in. Overall you were the best candidate. This proves this works. Now get busy and thank you for doing this! --Cerejota 06:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
It is late to say congratulations. but really glad to know the chinese do this for the wiki project. I am Chinese who are director in Wikimedia UK chapter. Can you drop me email and we can share more, firstname.lastname@example.org.
Zeyi 14:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia
I am a professional anthropologist and at the same time, a man with considerable experience as a politician and as a party to legal conflicts. I am very interesting by those most bitter conflicts in the Wikipedia community around the creation of Wikipedia in those or other languages. This, in particular, the sharp conflicts over language: Volapük, Lombardian, Siberian, Klingon, Quenya, Toki Pona, Moldovan.
[I note that the closing pages of the Moldovan and Siberian languages was partly inspired by political motives, respectively, the representatives of Romanian and Russian languages. There is no doubt in the existence of a group of Siberian dialects of the Russian language, and there is no doubt in the existence of a formal written language, which was called "Moldovan" and was considered different from Romanian.]
I believe that decisions on these matters do not meet many of the panellists. This means that the problem of the continued functioning of languages of the Wikipedia needs more regulation. Should be introduced simple and obvious rules, which could satisfy all. Moreover, these rules should be considered obvious and fair to all members of the Wikipedia community.
These rules I have set out in the form of a few simple and universal legal norms. These rules have a few sources.
Main source: These rules follow from the main purpose of Wikipedia. The purpose of Wikipedia - creating the most complete and high quality on-line version of the encyclopedia in all languages of the Earth.
Second source: own practice of the Wikipedia community (especially the Language committee) in dealing with such issues, the presence in the practice of historical precedents.
The third source: the general universal principles of law that have proved themselves throughout the history of mankind, and which recognized the basic legal systems of almost all States, except in the most odious dictatorships. In this case there are two such universal principles:
1) A person shall not be liable for the acts of illegality which he could not have known. In particular, it should not be punished for acts which at the time they were committed were not illegal.
2) If people are free to enjoy certain rights, these rights they can not be taken away or limited. This is a very important universal principle, which dictates the obvious solution of a number of the most violent conflicts in the Wikipedia community.
Based on this latter principle, those languages that already have existing Wikipedia pages, or who have already obtained the right to create such pages in the wiki-Incubator, in any case can not be denied the right to own Wikipedia.
Because of this legal principle should be necessary to reopen the languages of the Wikipedia: Klingon, Toki Pona, Moldovan and Siberian.
On the other hand, these Wikipedias have been closed due to fair and honest reasons. So we must not allow the emergence of similar pages in the future. For this purpose, and should be taken these guidelines.
The general rules of language use in Wikimedia
A. Rules of use of existing languages in Wikimedia
1) Any language of Wikimedia may not be removed from it.
2) Administrators of each active Wikipedia in any language are obliged to care about the quality of Wikipedia articles. In particular, there is considered unacceptable the bot-creation of the main part of Wikipedia articles in any language.
In case of serious doubt as Wikipedia in this language guide Wikimedia Foundation may require the removal of all articles that have been bot-uploaded.
3) If necessary, bad-quality Wikimedia to correct the deficiencies can be returned to the Wiki-incubator.
4) In case if the language is used in two or more writing systems, separate sections for each type of writing is not created. Instead, is necessary to create a program that can translate the contents of any article on this language from one writing system into another.
We are welcoming the creation for any language of Wikipedia, program that gives the contents of articles into the International Phonetic Alphabet, as well as program that translates into the Latin transcription of the contents of articles in those languages, which made other writing systems.
B. Rules for the establishment of Wikipedia and Wiki-Incubator for new languages
1) In the Wikipedia and Wiki-incubator can be created sections in any native (living or dead) language, having the code ISO 639-3.
2) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any living language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:
a) there are people for whom this language is native;
b) these language has a literature and electronic sites;
c) there is a scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;
d) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.
3) In the Wikipedia can be created sections on any recently extinct language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:
a) The language died out not earlier than 1850;
b) there is a tutorial of the language;
c) these language has a literature and electronic sites;
d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;
e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.
4) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any dead language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:
a) in that language existed and survived to the present day own rich literature;
b) there is a tutorial of the language;
c) these language has a modern literature and electronic sites;
d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;
e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.
5) All the languages that do not meet the criteria set out in paragraphs 1), 2), 3) and 4), are considered to be artificial.
In Wikipedia, there are sections of the following artificial (constructed) languages: Esperanto, Simple English, Ido, Novial, Intelingua, Interlingue (Occidental), Volapük, Lojban, Quenya, Klingon, Siberian, Toki Pona, and Lingua Franca Nova.
In the Wikipedia is not possible to create partitions on any other artificial languages.
As an exception, the decision to establish a section of Wikipedia in any other artificial language can be accepted Wikimedia Board of Trustees. In this case the language must meet all the requirements of paragraph 4) for the dead languages and have code ISO 639-3 and a level of development and popularity of not less than the Quenya in 2009.
6) If a native language has the code ISO 639-3, but does not satisfy the conditions about 2) or 3) or 4), proposal of this language can be rejected.
I believe that the adoption of these rules will remove all the stress and all the discussions around the language policy of Wikipedia.
My proposal regarding the registration of new languages
I don't propose “defining what makes a language”. If a language have own literature, this language is already defined as language by its writers, readers, editors and libraries. Every serious library takes account of each language separately. All modern libraries have electronic catalogs. If language has a website, this language is already defined as language by programmers.
There is website Ethnologue: “The purpose of the Ethnologue is to provide a comprehensive listing of the known living languages of the world. (…) Ancient, classical, and long-extinct languages are not listed (even though the ISO 639-3standard assigns codes to them), unless they are in current use (as in the scriptures or liturgy of a faith community)”.
So, I propose:
Profile (test questionnaire) for a new language of Wikipedia
1. Language name in English language.
2. Language name in native language.
3. Status of language: living, recently extinct, dead, artificial.
4. Its ISO 639-3 code (if exist).
5. Article about this language in English Wikipedia.
6. Articles about this language in three other Wikipedias.
7. Three some websites in this language.
8. Five modern (written at 20-21 century) books in this language with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these books.
9. Vocabulary of this language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.
10. Grammar of this language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.
For living languages:
11. Article about this language in website Ethnologue.
For recently extinct, dead, artificial languages:
12. Tutorial of the language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.
For recently extinct languages:
13. Summary, that the language died out not earlier than 1850: quotations from authoritative sources (websites).
For dead languages:
14. Five published in 20-21 centuries books with ancient texts in this language, with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these books.
For artificial languages:
15. Educational institution with the state license, where this language is learned; with website of this institution.
16. Three different ongoing magazines in this languages with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these magazines.
If supporters of a new language are unable to complete the questionnaire, this language can not be accepted.
Ihor Rassokha, Ukraine Paccoxa 19:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikimedia's Role in the evolution of Proper Governance for a Truly Constituted "United Nations"
Could a board meeting of Wikimedia consider the proposal to start off a "Constitution for Planet Earth" as a new wiki project.... but one where contributors are properly identified (real names) for their contributions, and everything is properly date-stamped.
The idea would be to get the ball rolling to write a constitution for the planet that is truly authored by ALL - it could be "mentored" (but by no means controlled) by the UN, G8 and G20 (but NOT by religions, political parties nor corporations) and be the exact "quantum leap" that is needed to allow the world to address the challenges it now faces.
Greg Shepherd 61 + (0) 411 961 338 (feel free to ring anytime)
Congrats and good luck. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:29, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
By the way, you made some great statements and really stood up for the reality of the situation. Keep up the great work. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Blocking of Chunghwa Telecom
Maybe turn the blocks into soft blocks with account creation blocked, would that be better? If you see the CU request, there is a large group of sockpuppets on those ranges. -- Avi 18:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
in order to unblock the situation of Wikimedia CAT chapter, we have clarified and simplified the proposal at Wikimedia CAT.
We would highly appreciate that you could take a look at it and kindly give us your opinion at Survey. If you consider so, you can also express your support.
Thanks in advance. --Gomà 10:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear user, I am a Wikipedia contributor in the Portuguese language and am requesting your intervention in the project. There exists among us a tremendous amount of intrigue, harassment, personal threats, inadequate block, clash of egos and power abuses. I can not stand such injustice, so many users with destructive behavior, so much political intrigue and partiality in administrators. The new users are intimidated and abandon the project, edit wars proliferate and the bad users try to silence their opponents with lock requests without foundation. Users with bad behavior are protected by administrators and users who try to expose corruption are blocked. The rule is trying to impose views and threaten to block those who disagree with arbitrariness. I am tired. This project is broken, please dismisses administrators and cancel their arbitrary actions, otherwise the credibility of Wikipedia is extinguished. Thank you.
PS: sorry, my english is not very good. Leandro LV 09:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Which is more important: porn or world visibility?
Please see this question. It seems that the question is of vital importance with a large portion of people on Commons wanting absolutely no restrictions on pornography and how that comes in conflict with the vast majority of country laws regarding the matter. At the very least, the fact that we do not require proof of age or consent would have us in conflict with even US liberal laws regarding the matter and that ignores that we do not perform a necessary "are you over 18" opt in process that most liberal countries require. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
WM-CAT, Amical Viquipèdia
let me introduce myself: I am a Catalan Wikipedian who, not only dedicated to write articles, also spends his time to promote the free knowledge and wiki tools where and how I can. For this reason I associate to Amical Viquipèdia amd I support the chapter WM-CAT. All this from the beech firmer conviction altruistically and voluntarily, spending my time and money.
As a Trustee of the foundation would ask me to answer these questions:
In relation to me:
- What's wrong with me?
- What's wrong with the group of people who make WM-CAT?
Regarding the promotion of knowledge Wikipedia and the free:
- Why should I stop before a line indicated on the map as I can share with people the other side of this, that speak, think and feel like me?
- Why can I not, along with those who speak, feel and think like me, be considered equal to others who feel and think like me?
In relation to the Foundation:
- when the various Foundation's committees have become more important than community?
- why people's interested in promoting the same that foundation aims to promote become a problem?
- When the foundation vision and values have gone down in the background?
- When the foundation has grown into something that can ignore Wikipedia principles?
Dear Wing, maybe my speech will seem harsh, but this is a discourse that comes from the heart and mind of one, as you, is convinced of the validity of the project but at the same time he sees That a right as basic as it should be made part of a group equal than others are denied.
Wing: When the Trustees left to be bold?
--Mafoso 09:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I leave the missage in my matern language in order to avoid translation errors (my english is basic):
permet que em presenti : sóc un viquipedista català que no sols es dedica a escriure articles sino que també inverteix part del seu temps en
promoure les eines wikipèdia i el coneixement lliure allà on pot i com pot , per aquest motiu em vaig associar a Amical Viquipedia i dono
suport al capítol WM-CAT. Tot això ho faig desde la més ferma convicció, altruistament i voluntàriament , gastant el meu temps i diners.
Com a Trustee de la fundació li demano em respongui aquestes preguntes:
En relació a mi:
Que hi ha de dolent en mi?
Que hi ha de dolent amb el grup de gent que formem WM-CAT?
En relació a la promoció de la Viquipèdia i el Coneixement lliure:
per què m'haig d'aturar davant d'una línia senyalada en un mapa quant el que faig ho puc compartir amb gent de l'altre costat d'aquesta
que parlen, pensen i senten com jo?
Per què no puc, junt amb aquests que parlen, senten i pensen com jo, ser considerat en igualtat de condicions que altres que senten i
pensen com jo ?
En relació a la Fundació:
quan els diferents comitès d'aquesta han esdevingut més importants que les comunitats?
per què l'interes d'unes persones en promocionar el mateix que vol promocionar la fundació esdevè un problema?
Quan la visió i valors de la fundació han passat a segon terme?
Quan s'ha convertit la fundació en quelcom que és per sobre dels principis Viquipèdia?
Apreciat Wing , potser el meu discurs li sembla dur, però aquest es un discurs que surt del cor i la ment d'un que com vostè es convençut
de la validesa del projecte però que veu al mateix temps que un dret tant bàsic com hauria de ser el fet de formar part d'un grup en
igualtat de condicions que altres es negat.
Wing: Quan deixaren els trustees de ser valents?
Need Your Advice
I came across your information on Wikipedia and was impressed by your profile. Congratulations on being a Chair! Is it fun to be a Chair? Please also give me advice on how to volunteer and participate in Wikipedia projects. Thank you very much.
Hallo Wing, könnten Sie so freundlich sein und mich unter ... kontaktieren.
陳霆大哥：請問你可以親自撰寫你的候選人介紹的中文版嗎？中文翻譯團隊翻譯一位操流利中文的候選人的政綱，好像不太妥當。Deryck Chan 17:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
貼好了。謝謝！ Deryck Chan 10:08, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Question for current board members Re: May 2010 and Projects' Scope
I'm asking the same question of all current member seeking re-election. It concerns the "May 2010 'unpleasantness". In brief, Wales proposed that the board redefine all our projects' scope in a controversial way (specifically to exclude anything deemed 'pornographic'). Some board members strongly supported this idea, some opposed it from the outset, and some supported first and then opposed it after community feedback.
The question to you is pretty simple: which group were you in? Did you support or oppose the redefinition at the outset? If you changed your mind in May, when did you change your mind and what prompted it? Where are you on the issue now?
(I should say, how you acted in May 2010 is absolutely not a litmus test for me. Ultimately, it's how you're likely to act in the future that we care about.)
In May 2010, Jimmy Wales announced and implemented a policy without prior community consensus. He made the following statement:
- This is not merely the advice of one person. I don't intend to deadmin anyone - but I will. The order of operation here is going to be that we first [implement the new policy], and then we can open a broader discussion about [how to apply that policy]. I just don't want anyone to get the impression that we're going to have an open vote [on the policy]. We aren't. It isn't going to happen. This is not a democratic debate, this is policy. 
When pressed, Wales further clarified:
- I am in constant communication with both the board and Sue Gardner about this issue, yes. I expect the board to issue a statement within a few days offering a general philosophical support for the serious enforcement of policy on this issue. 
Ultimately, the forthcoming board statement was quite clear that it no new policy has, in fact, been authorized. So my question is-- who was Wales in communication with, such that he believed his actions would be vindicated by the board? Who endorsed the idea that one individual, or even one handful of individuals, should be able to unilaterally declare a new policy of that magnitude?
The specific question over images isn't the "real issue"-- there's a legitimate diversity of views on that question. The big issue, to me, was that in May 2010, we learned some minority within the board had come to feel that board votes, not community consensus, should be able to redefine the projects and their policies in controversial ways.
In the interest of transparency and openness, perhaps the community should have learned by now who stood where during the events of May 2010. But given all the emotions running high during that time, it didn't seem prudent to actually ask. So long as board members didn't run for re-election, they had a good claim to "put the past behind them and just move on" with taking care of business. But now that the community has to decide whether to re-elect you, so I think that means it's time to for you to show your hand. Where were you on things and when?
- Where did you stand on this issue before Jimbo's announcement on May 6? Did you endorse or oppose his stated plan?
- Where did you stand on the issues during the interim when Jimbo was implementing his new policy? Did you endorse or oppose his actions?
- Where did you stand on the issue during the board resolution vote? Did you advocate for the resolution that was more in support of Jimbo's new scope definition, or did you advocate for a version based on the status quo 'educational' test?
- Do you feel differently now, or wish you'd acted differently, or have learned anything from those experiences?
Alecmconroy 07:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
As a followup to you personally, I really want to apologize for even having to ask this question. You're the only candidate who's publicly admitted to supporting Jimbo's purge before it occurred, so I know this question will fall most heavily on your shoulders. I just want to say though-- I strongly respect that you admitted to it back in May, when others on the board were being less transparent. Aside from this issue, I have no complaints about your performance in your very difficult job. I want to reiterate I don't think badly of you as a person or anything like that. On this one particular issue, I'm just not sure if you share the community's views or not.
You don't have to prove anything to me, but if you wanted to help assuage concerns like mine, here's a few things that might help:
- When Jimmy sent you the email outlining his plans, just what did he say he was going to do? That is, what precisely did you think you were supporting? If you share (with permission) those emails, the concerns might evaporate-- I get the feeling that deletions of artworks and other educational content was never mentioned. If you gave him your support to do something less controversial than what he actually did, that helps us see that your support of him itself is far less controversial.
- A member who's already learned from community feedback and been responsive to the community is infinitely more valuable than an untested candidate. Eventually, the board realized that Jimmy's approach was the wrong one, and we returned to the consensus status quo. If you were one of the board members who had that realization and subsequently acted to help return us to status quo, then you might consider quoting your past emails in support of a return to status quo. That would also go a long way towards evaporating concerns.
My distinct impression is that you had no idea what you were signing up for when you gave Jimbo your support. I don't think he told you he would delete images that were in-use in articles, historic artwork, or other educational images. I suspect that when the initial backlash came, you basically tried to be a good team player and support your team-mate, like you promised you would when he asked for support. Most of all, I suspect that at some point in time, you realized that Jimbo's actions were too radical and too controversial, and that they needed to stop.
If I'm wrong and you still support all his actions, then your answer is simple. But if I'm right, and you're somebody who supported what turned out to be a controversial idea but ultimately learned from the experience-- then please please help us see that transition and when it happened. I think most people would value the skill of 'changing your mind in response to community feedback' every bit as much as we value 'being right the first time around'.
--Alecmconroy 08:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hello Alecmconroy,
- at first let me explain my version of the event, it is a little different as yours and so I cannot answer your questions with simple yes or nos. After I have explained my version of the event, I will try to address your question or what I think you are interested in. It will again not be a simple yes or no. More I will explain my philosophy in this and similar situations.
- The board is the representation of the Foundation and the projects. The board's role is to keep our values and to keep every danger out of our movement. Some times these two duties are conflicting, sometimes our different values conflict with each other. In those times the board and the individual board members face their most difficult decisions.
- As far as remember back, Jimmy never said to the board that he is going to change the rules. In the spring of 2010 Jimmy informed the board that there are danger threating the Foundation and our project because there were certain media companies researching possible implication of Wikimedia Commons is used as a safe harbour for pedophils and for pornography. There are always conflicts on media files hosted on Commons, individual deletion flames up from time to time. The reason can be cultural, political, religious. Jimmy thinks that some files hosted on Commons have no or scarcely educational value and thus can be deemed as pure pornographical. I agree with him in this statement and I use presence here deliberately because I still agree with him in the obove statement as thus. Jimmy told the board that he has support from the community to clean these files up and I told him he has my support. That was what happened before the deletion of Jimmy.
- I don't agree with all his deletions. I believe some of them are wrong, some of them are correct. As an admin on zh-wp I made and will always make wrong deletion or deletion requests. That happens, I have no problem to admit my fail. What I don't approve is Jimmy threated other users. I never acted that way. I had always handled other users in a respectful way, however their opinion differ from me. I am from time to time flamed on my talk page, accused either as a chinese traitor or as a communist spy, I was flamed because I am open gay. I was flamed just two weeks ago on German Wikipedia as a stalinistic (the user was grateful enough to remove maoistic after I had pointed out how inappropriete that is) functionair. I never blocked or requested a block of a user because they insulted me, because in my opinion there should be no "Lèse majesté" in our movement.
- I work with Jimmy a few times now. I know Wikpedia is his passion, a passion that I must confess I don't have, not in the dimension as he has anyway. Jimmy makes failures, he is just another human being. What I always find remarkable is, that he admits his failures, despite of his nobility and his unique position as the founder or co-founder or whatever. Sometimes he need some time to recognize his failure, but if he got to that point, he never tried to duck himself or steal away from his responsibility. I know a lot of people, and most people don't have this quality. This is why I respect him alot. I believe Jimmy saw his failure and this is the reason why he stepped back from this topic and handed it over to the board.
- As far as I remember, the entire board believes that we have a problem and we should solve that problem. Anyway this is my opinion until today. I believe the whole board had agreed unanimously to initiate the Controversial Content Workgroup.
- This is the event how I experienced it. As I said, I cannot remember that there were ever a discussion about redefine our projects. Since there were no such discussion, I cannot support or not support it, thus I cannot answer your question about support this idea with a yes or no.
- Now I want to address your last question. I assume your question is not about redefine the projects (as there were no such discussion), but about what is about what content should we host and what not.
- Let me at first again come back to the question about to whom is the board responsible. To whom is the Board of Trustees of a non-profit organization responsible?
- The Board of Trustees of a non-profit organization is ENTRUSTED by the public to responsible to the mission of that organization. The board is not responsible to the donors, not to the users, not even to the community. The duty of the board is to keep the organization do what is defined in its mission.
- Our mission is clearly stated: "The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally. In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Foundation provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of charge, in perpetuity."
- Every decision I make I make it by starting with the question, is this what helps our mission or not.
- For me our mission is not about to export the western value about free speech or free culture to the rest of the world. What we want to do is the following: First to get every mankind to join our movement, and second, to collect educational content, and third, to keep it free for every mankind of the world. We see a lot of conflicts between people and cultures in the world. For me our mission is not to support this or that side, but to work out a way that will include all sides. We are going to actively recruit those part of the world, which have a different culture as our home culture, and I don't want us to act as the 21st century crusaders. We must respect other people, we must respect that they may have other values. We must respect that we cannot maintain our fullset of values and impose them upon the other. This is the background for me to make my decisions in this case.
- Keep images with marginal education value but would rebuck a lot of people from other cultures, religious believes or values will only add a very small amount of value to us but we will lost a lot from losing those people. Why should we do that? Just so that we can say we had kept our own value? For me it is not worth of it.
- For images with real educational value but would rebuck people from other cultures, religious believes or values we will work on technical solutions to ease the conflict. At the end we will still have the conflicts. But if that conflict only includes the most radical part of the people from the other cultures, religious believes or values, than it is for me a doable solution.
- I am sorry for make such a long answer and cannot simply answer your simple questions. But I hope I can make my position more clear on this point.--Wing 12:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- No apologies at all-- longer answers are almost always better anyway. Thank you for the answer-- you and I have may have slightly different views of our mission and larger differences over theoretical nature of the role of board member, but you've stepped up to the plate, you sat in the chair, and in all my dealings with you, you've always been respectful, honest, and are always capable of explaining an easily comprehensible rationale explaining how your actions reflect you doing what you sincerely believe would be best. No matter what the coming election holds, even if you don't have my vote, you absolutely do have my thanks and my respect. I can't fathom trying to do the job you have done or the courage to put yourself out there and undergo such elections. Good work sir, we the mission and we the planet both need more people like you. :) --Alecmconroy 11:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hello Alecmconroy, thank you very much for the kind words. Since you said that we differ on the role of a board member, may I ask you what is in your opinion the role of a board member?--Wing 07:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Reply turning into manifesto. :) See User:Alecmconroy/Role of a Board Member. Alecmconroy 23:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Questions to Board candidates
Based on the statistics concerning the number of pages read in previous years' Q&As, I infer that few voters take them into account. Personally, I see it as a very interesting exercise despite the fact that we the candidates are also the main readers.
I believe it is a unique type of debate among us that is especially interesting.
I have noticed that User Alecmconroy suggested a very interesting series of questions on strategic issues. They can be seen here: User talk:Alecmconroy#More questions for Board Candidates (or others). I have given my opinion, I see you have made some comments too.
I wish you the best possible result in these elections and, if you agree, I suggest that we continue having this type of debate regardless of who is chosen.
Cheers and good luck.--Gomà 09:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Posted to all candidates talk page:
To aid in the fair evaluation of all the candidates, especially those not active on EnWiki, verifiable data about the candidates is being compiled. Anyone is invited to help compile the data since it is all publicly available on-wiki.
But since the people best qualified to help are the candidates themselves, it seems reasonable to ask:
- Which languages do you speak? (voter statement)
Chinese, German, English, a little French, and knowledge of Japanese
- Which projects do you contribute to?
- For each, when was your first edit?
According to this at Jan. 21st 2003. Maybe a little earlier as anonymous user, not sure.
- For each, how many total edits? (exact figures not need)
The total data is here: http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=wing
- Which projects are you an admin on?
- Are you a bureaucrat? which projects? when?
zh-wp, hm, sometime like 2006? not sure
- Are you a CheckUser? Which projects? When did you start??
- Are you a steward? If so when were you made one?
- Have you served in a verifiable leadership role on a project? (e.g. Like EnWiki's Founder or Arbcom member)
Well, I dare say that I helped to build up the Chinese Wikipedia and had set some footprint there.
- Have you served in a verifiable leadership role on at the Chapter or Foundation level? (Trustee, etc)
Trustee of the Foundation
Are there any objectively verifiable facts that should be included in this guide but aren't?
(Incidentally, this document won't reflect my own personal values or wikipolitical opinions. Ideally it will come to exist outside of my userspace in some neutral, visible location. -- Alecmconroy)
Hello, I'm a french contributor since january 2010 with 11522 at my edit counter, and I read you this day. I'm very very disappointed about the french functioning of administeurs and the fair-use of their tools. I want to tell you about some problems which you have write about on your letter. Recently, I decided to leave french WP : the essentiels reasons are repeted comportements of administrateurs who abuse of using their specials tools to stop some collaborations and make french good contributors leave WP.
You can read my ultimate post for this time, here (sorry, it's in french, it's longer, it's not easy to translate and my english isn't well perfect).
Thank's to read me. Perhaps, see you next time or read you on this page.
Have a good day.
Gars d'ain 12:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes on Ting!!!
Dear Ting, I have update my 'voter guide' to include the following, and then added a bit.
My original guide raised objections to Ting, thus I feel especially called to honestly praise him in this same space.
Ting is an amazing person who does his job well. He is always straightforward, he tells you what he thinks, he means what he says, and he can always clearly explain his reasoning. I disagreed with him over the theory of what role the board should play in some limited instances, but I've never ever doubted Ting is great person and a truly great asset to our movement. Time and again, I communicate with people who've met Ting, and they invariably say absolutely great things about his character-- nothing in the entire time I've interacted with him have I ever seen anything that would suggest anything to the contrary.
Ting is great great guy, and there's no doubt he will continue to be one of Wikimedia's brightest stars and greatest treasures, regardless of whether he winds up serving his next term on the board of trustees or the board of advisers. Ting's done great things in WM and I have no doubt Ting will continue to excel and amaze us in the future.
I just want you to know that I truly and sincerely like you, and if the global community picked you, I will not be tearing my hair at all. I have a major disagreement with you over a few minor points, but I completely trust your character. I wish this election had had a robust discussion so we could see which version of the board member role the global community wants, but I don't know there was any substantive global discussion on this point or not.
Anyway, I also want you to know that though you weren't at the top of my ballot, you certainly were near the bottom either. I very much worry your role of the board philosophy could ultimately lead to a movement-shattering schism between the foundation and the movement-- but I trust you completely to act honorably according to how you see best.
Additionally, you have no idea how heartache your honesty this election saved me. When I saw you were running for re-election, I assumed (American that I am), that you were planning on saying "I made a mistake last May, I've learned from it". And then we would have all had the arduous and emotionally unpleasant task of trying to decide if you were an honest man who'd learned from the past, or a dishonest man telling the electorate what it wanted to hear. I know I would have leaned towards the former, given what else I know about you, but your honesty left zero doubt about where you stood and why you stood there. And that earned a lot of respect from me, and I'm sure anyone else who was watching.
I also want you to know I'm not 'fixated' on the May 2010 issue-- it's just that's the only real time when I felt like I really knew the movement leadership screwed up in a clear, objective way. I tried very very hard to get more datapoints, but ultimately May 2010 was the only real insight I had into the individual board members.
Well, you've been here since forever and I only know of one case where you screwed up? That doesn't make you a villain, that makes you a hero of the highest order. The worst I can say is that you'd be more helpful to us in a different role, and that's absolutely the worst thing I have to say about you. In May 2010, your friend and leader asked you for your support, you supported him, and you did so because you felt it was your job to do so. I've advocated for you to switch jobs because of it, but I never ever would advocate against you personally or against you having a leadership role in our movement.
Good Luck, Ting. If you win, I promise to do my best to help you be the best board member you can be-- I doubt you'll need any help, but I want you to know ahead of time, that I support you as a person, and we could do far worse than having you on our board. --Alecmconroy 22:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Also it seems that Alec is trying to outdo you in poetry above... sweet. –SJ talk | translate 10:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
既然你是明白有人報私仇，再加上聯署理由其實是複製第5/6次，而上兩次聯署都是以其控訴理由不成立/有爭議而被終止，我認為你不應該投票反對，而是起身宣布終止第7次罷免案並凍結嚴重濫權以外的罷免聯署直至罷免修訂案完成為止，你和其他管理/行政員現在投票根本是在承認這次罷免投票的合法性，我實在不能認同。-- Sameboat (talk) 01:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
雖然Upright給我的感覺的確非常像Luke，但我始終認為應該進行一次CU，如果說CU的效力只有15天，那麼在這段時間內另一個非常有嫌疑的賬戶就是英文WP的en:user:同舟人誓相隨（在我和Jimbo的討論留下奇怪的發言），與Luke以前註冊過zh:User:不同舟一樣刻意是針對我的用戶名來進行挑逗。不過得承認這個CU理由又似乎有點空前，不敢確定其他查核員會否同意查核。-- Sameboat (talk) 22:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations and Invitation
Congratulations on your reappointment as Chair of the Wikimedia Board! I am 阿pp(enwiki and zhwiki) and I am currently an employee of NetEase Inc.. I would like to invite you to create an account on our micro-blogging website 网易微博 to communicate with Chinese netizens. If you are interested in this matter DO please reply me via my talkpage on either zhwiki or enwiki.
--阿pp 09:50, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Dear Ting Chen,
I note that some articles are being "cleaned up" because the contribution of Islamic scholars is being "over stated". It may that such clean up is necessary but what objective tests are applied to judge this over-statement.
Having grown up in the UK there is no doubt that the Europeans tend to understate the contribution of non-Western civilizations. What processes are in place to ensure proper balance?
Trouble with Midom
Sorry to disturb, but sometimes it's difficult to understand where to ask for help... At the Occitan wikipedia we are having trouble with user Midom, who is probably somewhat linked to the foundation (at least his account seems to be linked to the foundation). I'm just seeking an advice on how to proceed in case of true trouble. In fact, Midom deleted a dozen of templates that are serving around 10,000 pages (about locations in Occitania) on the Occitan wp. I restored the templates and blocked him for one week to give him time to explain his action. Note his user page at us states: if you see me coming, run. Thanks in advance for your help. Joan Francés Blanc
Hello I am new in wikipedia and interesting in LGBT related topics too. Recently i added new article called <The flavor of corn>. Its about nice Italian LGBT related film created at 1986. But my article was declined becouse of abcent of external links. To my opinion this is not fair, becouse I mentioned the page from IMD. Please help me to approve this article and make it better. Thanks in advance. The link of article is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/The_Flavor_of_Corn
Sent you an email
Hi, sent you an email. Kind regards.Wifione (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
wikiCOn 2012 FHV
Hallo, bei der deutschsprachigen Podiumsdiskussion über Freiheit im Internet / Herausforderungen der Wikimedia-Bewegung am 31.8.2012 / 01.09 im Foyer der FHV werde ich die Moderation übernehmen. Dazu gehört auch eine kurze(!!) Anmoderation der Beteiligten. Der aktuelle Stand Ihrer Vorstellung lautet:
Ting Chen wurde im Juni 2008 in das Wikimedia Board gewählt und ist seit Juli 2010 der Vorsitzende der Wikimedia Foundation
Verbesserungen, die den Text nicht maßgeblich verlängern, bitte baldmöglichst zuschicken.--Falko Wilms (talk) 13:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
DYK Online Magazine
Hi Ting, I would like to create a free monthly online magazine called 'DYK' on Issuu, sourced from many Wikipedia projects, including texts and images. It can be embedded in websites and blogs too to promote Wikipedia. How can I take this further? Many thanks!
我也说中文，留言可以用中文或英文。 福寿安宁！ --RexRowan (talk) 17:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Ni hao ! Ni hao ma ?
Ni hao ! Ni hao ma ?
wo shuo yi dian dian zhong guo hua !
I have been learning Chinese some years ago... My method was to learn by heart some cheng yus and to learn how to write the...
jian bu pa di bu pa
jiu pa yang gui zi zhong guo hua !
I organized some years ago French Chinese linguistic exchanges in a nice Chinese bar in Paris...
I am glad to see that Wikimedia Foundation is headed by a Chinese person ; I am very interested in the BRICS...
My dream would be to be able to type one day in hanyu and no longer in pinyin...
zai jian Euroflux (talk) 17:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
我在北京，IP地址124.205.*.*，运营商为北京市电信通。在今天下午2点（BJT）左右，我突然发现维基百科的所有语言版本都不能用https方式访问了，但所有其他维基媒体计划仍然能正常用https方式访问。用http方式可以访问中文维基百科的绝大多数页面和所有外语维基百科页面，不能访问中文维基文库、中文维基新闻。请把该情况及时报告给维基媒体基金会对外关系委员会，以便及时解决该问题（O.O）（o.o）（V.V） 07:03, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
--Another Believer (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Given your last post, maybe you have some perspective on this. --Nemo 12:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
WM CUG Greece
Hi! Following your message here. Our User Group is still active, at least at the same level. We still have the same number of members. In the last year we were still engaged in Wikipedia Education Program projects  and a member of us has attended the Wikimedia Central and Eastern Europe meetup in Kiev. Back in April we did some preparations for the Wiki Loves Earth contest, but we were late and finally didn't manage to do it. But it is in our plans for this year (we'll start earlier). Of course we will continue and expand our Education Program projects and we also plan a separate series of workshops called "Wikilabs". We hope that we will create more cooperations with other universities, municipalities and free software groups for more activities. -Geraki TL 07:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Wiki Loves Pride
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride!
- What? Wiki Loves Pride, a campaign to document and photograph LGBT culture and history, including pride events
- When? June 2015
- How can you help?
- 1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work here
- 2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Wikipedia articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see examples from last year)
- 3.) Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, Wikivoyage, etc.)
Or, view or update the current list of Tasks. This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. Visit the group's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome!
If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's main talk page.
Thanks, and happy editing!
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Hi! Please check out our application for the creation of PhilWiki Community User Group. Thanks a lot. --Filipinayzd (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?
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Last call for WMF grants feedback!
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Did you ever attend Wikimania with your money? Talk to us!
TL;DR: Fill a short Wikimania survey, it takes 5 min.
Hi, I'm writing you because you are listed in Wikimania/Frequent attendees. As you probably know by now, Wikimania 2016 Esino Lario wants to achieve a Wikimania format which allows people to "get things done" and leave the conference fully satisfied with the result of their investment of time and other resources (see pillars 2 and 4: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids/Esino_Lario/Pillars ).
For this purpose, we consider all audiences (see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids/Esino_Lario/Program#Target ).
Participants other than scholarship recipients and reimbursed representatives are one group we heard very little from, but we think they are important because: 1) they have financial resources and help make the Wikimania budget sustainable; 2) they have motivation to share and ideas on what makes Wikimania valuable.
We set up a form mainly to collect names of some such people and talk with them later: if you provide your contact, we may write you on this topic. We may release aggregate data from the resposes; data will be handled by us and the Wikimania 2016 fiscal sponsor "Ecomuseo delle Grigne" (under EU law). Please fill the whole form, it's short!
Feel free to forward this invite to anyone.
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Wikimania 2016 team, scholarships subteam
08:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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Proposals in any language are welcome during the campaign - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Funding is available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects that need financial support. Constructive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. Join us at the Inspire Campaign so that we can work together to develop ideas around this important and difficult issue. With thanks,
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question on chinese classics
Dear Wing, I assume you have worked on classics texts in wikisource. Could you please contact me at bpkosh at yahoo dot com? Thanks, Serge