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Mass vandalism at kbp.wikipedia

Could anybody stop this vandal? Hugo.arg (talk) 08:57, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the report. In the future it may be better to make such reports at SRM. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 09:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — regards, Revi 21:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Abusive user on Chinese Wikiquote

Could someone close this? Whatever may or may not have happened, the subject of the RFC is a temporary admin and their temporary adminship expired. --Rschen7754 16:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Already Yes check.svg Done by Winged Blades of Godric. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:54, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — regards, Revi 21:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

User:Risto hot sir's addition of images with English captions on dozens of non-English wikis

Hello! Back in early March, I noticed in my SWViewer queue that Risto had begun adding images with English captions en masse to non-English projects where he does not know the language. I left a note on his talk page, and undid a large portion of the image additions. This wasn't taken well, and he undid the majority of my undos. He argued with local editors on a few projects, resulting in his indefinite block on nl-wikipedia and later nl-wikiquote, which is in addition to his August 2018 indefinite block on fi-wikiquote for harassment. Today around noon I noticed that he had done the same thing again, adding images to dozens of wikis, many of which had English captions. On some wikis he was reverted, although most, being small GS-wikis with few or no admins and a small community, remain. I left a note earlier today about this, indicating I intended to remove the images that pose no value and the English captions; I no longer intend to do so, and would rather seek guidance here. As Risto has not agreed to stop these additions, which I see to be disruptive, I am not sure what can be done to rectify this. Thank you, Vermont (talk) 00:15, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

False information. I've done 78 000 edits, and over 90% are accepted. Nl-Wikipedia and Wq blocked me after a couple of edits, which may be the world record. At Finnish Wq have I made difficult questions to admins who don't bother to answer even to other editors' questions. Almost nothing happens there anymore (like at nl-Wq), all Finnish material have I written to et-Wq, where I've had no problems. For example the Soome vanasõnad seems to be the largest proverb site in the wiki-world. Not anymore have I put English text to foreign language wikis, only pictures. The Scandinavian editors, for example, are able to translate English. If someone does not want in other countries is for language political reasons. I wish Vermont would leave me alone. Local admins should decide what they want to keep, we don't need international police admins. Thank you.--Risto hot sir (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Risto hot sir I've removed some of your image on id.wp and ms.wp you are cluttering our articles with image while the content is still small. Wikipedia emphasis on the writings not the gallery.--AldnonymousBicara? 03:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Question Question: @Risto hot sir:

  • Why do you believe that your adding of the same images to articles is reasonable behaviour?
  • Why do you believe that people undoing your additions is unreasonable behaviour?
  • Why do you think that it can only be a local administrator who should be removing your additions? The role of administrator is not about being the arbiter of a good or a bad edit, it is a technical role rather than a qualitative role.
  • The role of global sysop has been developed by the community to manage small wikis with less or no administrators, so please tell me why it is not pertinent for such a role to be used in this circumstance. Please show me in this circumstance that the global sysop role has even be utilised, as in that you have been blocked, articles deleted, or articles protected.
  • Please would you also tell me how the number of edits is pertinent to an action at a wiki; and if someone has more edits, that makes their actions more acceptable or less acceptable.

Comment Comment I look at your lead additions of an image of a bleeding finger to an article about blood at many wikis, and I feel that it is not appropriate addition. Articles about blood are about the substance that flows through the body, and not about the result of an injury that results in bleeding. They are conceptually different, and I would remove that image addition in a general article. If I did that at one wiki where I was an editor, and saw that you were doing it cross-wiki, I would have no issue commenting to you about that, and if you continued, I too would consider a bulk level of reverts.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

  • I think that adding images to articles generally makes them more readable, so I don't oppose adding images to smaller wiki articles. The English descriptions are somewhat problematic, but it seems that the user has now removed them so I'm not very concerned about that either. – Ajraddatz (talk) 03:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I'm tired of "conversating" with Vermont, so I won't edit the smaller wikis (if I don't understand the language) anymore - except explaining why on my talk pages.--Risto hot sir (talk) 09:28, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Ajraddatz, he has not removed any of them, including ones with English captions. His most recent image additions were 15 minutes before the creation of this discussion, and it added this image to a dozen or so wikis. Vermont (talk) 10:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Comment Comment: IMHO the behavior is borderline: going head-on to insert images is a bit problematic, but not enough for a G-lock. Honestly, locally a situation like this would be easier to manage. But, is necessary this spasmodic insert of images, plus (to be justified also) with the caption in English?--Wim b 18:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. During the years I have seen many users adding images with wrong language captions to other wikis, it's of course not good, but not worth a lock. If we had a global block option it could be used as the very last solution. But now, the user should be instructed to be more careful in the future what to add and where. Stryn (talk) 19:47, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Comment Comment: Stryn: Yes, for registered user the global lock is all white or all black, but in cases like this a "canonical block" would have been ideal. Option like "expiry" or "block in all projects except meta" are still necessary in many cases. --Wim b 21:56, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I still don't understand why a picture of water or fire (without text) can't be placed to wikis where there aren't any pictures. The image at de-Wp was reverted (wrong language) - meanwhile an editor at de-Wikiquote translated the text to German, and I added this image to de-Wikipedia. It was reverted again, but with a long explanation, and I'm satisfied with that. It's unfair to select only a few examples out of 200 wikis - and many readers have thanked me, especially Serbs and Croats. The readers thanked because I noticed their wiki and made the first edits in months or so. And ALL the images are from English Wikiquote or Wikipedia. Someone must activate an wiki and find local companions. That has happened at fi-Wq, the amount of articles increased from 800 to 3300, et-wq (400 > 900), sv-wq (500 > 1300), la-Wq (400 > 750) and so on. Now it seems that Vermont doesn't want the small wikis to develop at all. Today I've added some images of Joan of Arc to wikis which have no pictures. Is it a sin?--Risto hot sir (talk) 23:45, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

I request you rescind your personal attack against me. Further, that you rescind your claim that "...many readers have thanked me, especially Serbs and Croats. The readers thanked because I noticed their wiki and made the first edits in months or so." Erm, no. Your thanks logs are empty on both the Serbian and Croation Wikipedia, the user page welcomes are because you edited there, and you are far from the first edit in months. I get those talk page messages too; everyone does. In fact, you added English content to the Croation Wikiquote, Serbian Wikiquote, and Serbian Wikipedia. It seems ever more obvious you do not see why adding English content to non-English wikis is a problem. And, for the duration of this discussion, I request that you cease addition of images on projects where you do not speak the language. Thank you, Vermont (talk) 02:17, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
You've dragged him to a central noticeboard, one of perhaps the most degrading things that you can do to another editor. I think we can give him a little leeway in hostile/defensive responses here. That said, Risto, please don't make assumptions about other's motivations, even in a stressful situation like this. We're all here for the same purpose: to support and develop Wikimedia projects. – Ajraddatz (talk) 05:13, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

It was Vermont who dragged me to this site. The whole mess started when he wrote that I update my USER'S SITE at Simple English wp too often and let me know that my edits are of less quality than his. - I meant Serbian and Croatian WIKIQUOTES and messages. And I haven't added English content to non-English sites anymore, how many times must I tell this? - Of Images: someone's opinion was that a bleeding finger should not be placed in the article Blood but Injury. Still they exist at en-Wikis on the site Blood. These are always POVs. For example the caricature of King George III and a beggar might hurt that editor's feelings who has too much money. I've got a blacklist of unfriendly editors - and don't visit their wikis. - Was that picture of Joan of Arc a sin, you haven't answered, it's a key question--Risto hot sir (talk) 09:58, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I apologize if you percieved my question on your Simple English Wikipedia talk page as hostile or that I intended to "let me know that my edits are of less quality than his". That is not so; I simply had a question of why you continually update your edit counts on so many projects. It may be easier to just maintain a metawiki (global) userpage if you want to advertise an updated number. This started in March when I first noticed your additions, not last week when I left that message. These are unrelated. In regard to the Serbian and Croation Wikiquotes, you are correct, I had forgotten to check the thanks logs on the Wikiquotes. On both, you've been thanked repeatedly by the same two users; one of which has 0 edits on the Serbian Wikiquote where the other is an administrator, and they both have less than 15 edits on the Croation Wikiquote. Personally, I don't see much of an issue with the addition of non-captioned images to no-image articles on small wikis. Thank you for agreeing not to add English content again. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

It's OK, let's smoke the peace pipe! Many admins at en-Wq even have lists what articles they've created or significantly expanded. But in my opinion if the article is about a person (or let's say Book burning), an image is needed, like at en-Wikis and almost everywhere. Thanks.--Risto hot sir (talk) 12:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Review my block in AzWiki

Hello. Can you review my block on Azerbaijani Wikipedia? Here are details on RFC. I think that this RFC will take more time to solve, so maybe deal with my block first? Long story short I was blocked for a comment I made on Facebook, which is not part of the Wikimedia Project. Thank you from advance. --► Sincerely: A¥×aᚢ Zaÿïþzaþ€(hail sithis!) 19:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

This appears to have been dealt with, as Aykhan Zayedzadeh is no longer blocked on azwiki. * Pppery * has returned 01:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: * Pppery * has returned 23:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

User making tests/comments since at least May 2017

Hello,
I have left a message to a user, describing the situation: User talk:Mashina 1020#About your recent modifications.
Since at least May 2017, this user is using multiple IP and accounts, to make tests/comments on many projects, sometimes refering to one of the oldest account "Urossusa" (example). Many IP have been blocked and many accounts have been globally locked (for instance here by RadiX with the comment "crosswiki abuse: Urossusa", here by Ruslik0 with the comment "Vandalism-only account", here by Stryn with the comment "Vandalism-only account: Urossusa").
What should be done? What should I do if I detect a new account with the same behavior: talk to this user again and again (without receiving real answers) like I have already done here + here + here + here, or request a global lock in Steward requests/Global?
Regards --NicoScribe (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

You should request a global lock. Ruslik (talk) 20:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The account in question (Mashina 1020) was locked by Ajraddatz on 31 May 2019 - see [1]. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: DannyS712 (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

OAuth edit

Hi. I couldn't find a notice board for OAuth applications, but I know stewards can manage them, so I'd like to request an edit:

At Special:OAuthListConsumers/view/95cd4df71d31248d80199a8359e03044, can the description (currently: "App to view recent changes on small wikis for SWMT. Diffs, whitelist, quick reverts, etc. See ru:User:Iluvatar/SWViewer.") be changed to: "App to view recent changes on small wikis for SWMT. Diffs, whitelist, quick reverts, etc. See m:SWViewer."? Currently, ru:User:Iluvatar/SWViewer is an interwiki redirect to m:SWViewer. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 22:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Probably best to address this to User:Iluvatar as it is their request. Seems the courteous thing to do.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: thanks for the note, I didn't realize that individual OAuth owners could edit them. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:32, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Owners can not edit it. It seems need to release a new version (replacement and confirmation of the key). If so, then leave old version temporarily. If stewards / oauth admins can change it without realese new version, I will be grateful.-Iluvatar (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Looks like you will need a new version. — regards, Revi 19:55, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

pl.wikiquote - AAR

pl.wikiquote seems to use the vote of confidence process, similar to en.wikiquote. Maybe this should be added back to the AAR process too, under the same logic? q:pl:Wikicytaty:Odbieranie uprawnień says nothing about inactivity. @MarcoAurelio and Openbk: --Rschen7754 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

The only information I've just found (Wikicytaty:Administratorzy): According to the policy of administrator rights on Meta, inactive administrators can be deprived of rights. Openbk (talk) 09:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I will go ahead and add it to the list and if there are any complaints we can revisit. --Rschen7754 02:20, 5 June 2019 (UTC)