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Wiki Loves Pride

Hi, Varnent. Your addition of Wiki Loves Pride to the WALRUS agenda made me curious. Is there a page with additional information? --Another Believer (talk) 16:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

There is as of yesterday. :) Wiki Loves Pride --Varnent (talk)(COI) 02:15, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Submission

Hi,

Thank you for the reminder. I'll complete the submission soon. Simon Villeneuve 14:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem - you have plenty of time left. We are just trying to stay ahead of the rush. :) --Varnent (talk)(COI) 14:19, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Do you think we can now consider that my submission is complete and that we can delete the headband ? I'm not really good in English and I'll try to find someone to help me correct it, but I think the main ideas are there. Simon Villeneuve 16:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not aware which part of my submission is incomplete, since it was deemed complete last year (WM2012). If you could pinpoint it, I would gladly complete it. Bennylin 12:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Nothing major, just - as noted on the page - it is missing an abstract and a track selection. While it is true you did not submit an abstract last year, you did select a track. Basically the abstract is just a 2 sentence blurb we can use in various places. I suspect last year someone just wrote it for you once it was accepted, but if that can be at all avoided, we prefer the people submitting it enter the summary (abstract). It would have been considered incomplete last year, but we were not using the "incomplete" tag last year. Once the deadline is passed, all submissions (complete or incomplete) are considered, and generally if a submission was only missing something minor like the abstract, it was not a problem (although the committee reserves the right to reject based on missing items or any other valid criteria for that matter). So being incomplete only means we're not adding it to the review table until the deadline, or until it is complete. In other cases, not yours, an incomplete is also a warning to the person submitting that there are concerns with their submission. Last year these problems just resulted in submissions being rejected, the hope is that this year using this template it will motivate people to improve their submission before it is rejected. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 14:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
OK. Thanks for the lengthy reply. I'll try to complete it as soon as possible. Cheers :) Bennylin 14:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the length - I was utilizing your question to answer some additional questions from others all at once. :) --Varnent (talk)(COI) 14:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Help

Thanks for the reminder!! I was stuck with my academics, so I completely forgot bout this submission thanks to your message i am completing it--Suyogaerospace (talk) 08:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! And you are most welcome for the reminder. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 17:00, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks..

...for doing the overview pages for the AffCom reports and budgets. –Bence (talk) 15:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem - always enjoy a little wiki housecleaning to destress during the day. :) --Varnent (talk)(COI) 15:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

AffCom charter

Are you aware who wrote the AffCom charter? odder (talk) 00:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

As it appears here - yes. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 00:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Wrong answer. I think Charter is the page you were looking for (not sure about the exact link). odder (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay - all of this matters why? --Varnent (talk)(COI) 01:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
It's just to show you that throwing quotes from a document that I wrote myself doesn't make any sense. odder (talk) 01:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
You're right - I would have thought you'd know it better. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 01:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Definitely better than you, who were not even able to find the right link to see who authored the document. odder (talk) 01:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay - you got me - again..all this matters why? --Varnent (talk)(COI) 01:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I should point out I'm a non-originalist. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 01:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Flood flag

Hi Varnent. We (= the people on IRC) wondered why you used the flood flag for regular edits... Regards, Trijnsteltalk 20:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

It was a couple of edits in the middle of some page moves - I switched it off before I finished the bulk of edits - was more accidental couple of edits while I was setting up some mass moves. If folks in IRC would rather it not be used for bulk moves - I'm fine with that. :) Otherwise I will be more intentional about not doing any edits between moves in the future. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 20:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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Varnent, congratulations! You now have the rights of temporary administrator on Meta. Please take a moment to read the Meta:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat, and Meta:Requests for deletion, but also Talk:Spam blacklist and Talk:Interwiki map), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages. (If you were only "approved" for AffCom-related actions, then ignore that. But I think you can do those actions.) The majority of the actions of administrators can be reversed by the other admins, except for history merges which must thus be treated with particular care.


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Closed RfD?

Hi. Why did you remove the RfD template, but not close the RfD itself as 'keep'? PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Accident. Will fix when I get home. Apologies. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 19:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done - thank you for the polite nudge. :) --Varnent (talk)(COI) 00:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Um, but it was a wrong closure and I re-opened it, see here. Besides, this is not why you got your *temp* admin rights. Trijnsteltalk 14:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

I disagree on both accounts - but do not feel strongly about this image - so battle on. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 15:00, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
You disagree on what? This is not where you got the temporary admin rights for. Trijnsteltalk 15:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
I doubt we will agree and would rather avoid an unnecessary debate. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 16:14, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
I have to say I find your answers utterly unsatisfying. You were granted temporary adminship for an (IMO) vague reason; "There are some sysop required moves I'd like to make, possible imports, and some other maintenance tasks - mostly related to my work on AffCom and as a developer." There was no consensus for permanent adminship, though various users supported temporary adminship for usage in the scope you presented. However, I can't possibly see how closing an RfD falls within that scope, nor many others of the actions you have performed so far. Your lack of interest shown by your refusal to give a proper answer to the concerns raised here seriously makes me doubt about your abilities to be a temporary admin, not to speak about a permanent one. Cordially, Savhñ 15:20, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate your feedback and concerns. As you indicated, I did state that I would help with other maintenance tasks - mostly (implying not entirely) related to affiliates work. I was killing some time and helping with a few other maintenance tasks by request. I agree with the folks and admins that feel this RfD should be closed, but as I said, it is not something I feel strongly about, so will defer to others. I did not want to engage in a debate as a disagreement over the closing of a RfD, and temp admins helping out, hardly seems making a lot of fuss of. As to why I did not answer more, we are all busy volunteers, and this is not a topic I feel strongly enough to debate about. You two believe that temp admins helping with general maintenance is beyond scope, I talked with others first and they disagreed - as do I. However, now that I know how you feel, I will be mindful of it. I talked with others about the RfD and there was agreement that the image was okay, apparently other admins disagree and want to talk more - I am fine with that as I have already said. Ironically, I was asked to look into this photo by someone that wanted to use it in an affiliates related material - so my involvement stemmed from helping affiliates - which is what I said I was planning on doing (I wound up helping them find another photo after the RfD was reopened). However, I still believe that temp or not, admins should be allowed to help when they desire. I do not believe in elitism or "classes" of admins (temp or otherwise). Also, it came up that I may only do affiliates related tasks, so I was encouraged by some to help beyond that if I wanted admin rights beyond one-year. There seems to be some conflicting views on that, again, not a debate I want to engage in right now - also something beyond just me and so probably better for discussion someplace other than a user talk page. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 15:49, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Good to meet you

We seem to be discussing an 'interesting' piece of humour.

Not sure how your talk page rules work when I do most of my talking on en:wp.

If you want to find more about me (and why would you?) google my name and look under Youtube. Timtrent (talk) 15:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Gay

This redirect is even worse than GAY. Perhaps redirect it to Wikimedia LGBT? PiRSquared17 (talk) 17:10, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Good call. It seems odd that Editing Restriction Policy redirects there as well. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 18:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
The page was moved to Editing Restriction Policy a few times, probably because others either found the "friends of gays" name offensive or wanted to generalize it to the other catgories of users listed there (e.g., typing students). PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Why did you change the Friends of gays redirect? That one actually seems plausible (if the page is kept) PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Seemed like the notion of "Friends of gays" taken outside the context of this article was a bit deceiving. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 20:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I've reverted your edit to Friends of gays. This essay is over nine years old and it's cited pretty heavily on the English Wikipedia (and likely other projects). It may be appropriate to hijack these redirects if the essay is deleted, of course.

Re: the hatnote on Wikimedia LGBT, same thing. You can't simply remove redirects to content you happen to disagree with, especially in the middle of a deletion discussion. You know that. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

It was a shortcut that was not being used and was clearly not what one would expect when you type that shortcut in. YOU should know better than to add a hatnote to a project page for a group you are not a member of (although again - I want to invite you to join) that arguably offends members of that group - especially just to prove a point. We both know that we are familiar enough with "the rules" to play the "you should have" game all day long - I am more interested in practicality and reality. The reality is that the shortcut change had nothing to do with the deletion debate - it had to do with the use of that shortcut. There was nothing using the shortcut that I could find. If you could logically argue that the shortcut is a better fit for that article than Wikimedia LGBT - I will change it and agree it should be reviewed before a change. My thought and logic - and checking with a few others - led me to the conclusion that no - that shortcut was not best suited pointing to a humor article versus an active project. So I did as you often do (ahem - hatnote to piss off the LGBTs?) and was bold. If your argument is strictly about timing, I disagree with its validity and would argue it's a moot point anyway. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 04:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
I should also note that I said on that discussion I was changing it. No one objected (and they have objected to plenty else in that discussion). So that was not exactly done in secret or without an opportunity for others to comment. Although I feel like by typing this I'm just inviting an absurd discussion there - but whatever. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 04:23, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
What is this "nobody objected" nonsense? You changed the redirect like yesterday. How fast, exactly, were you expecting an objection? Within minutes? And, of course, you now have at least one objection, so saying "nobody objected" is even more foolish.
Regarding links, you're mis-counting, as I just explained to you elsewhere. Meta-Wiki is a global project, but only local links are tracked. A few simple searches (in addition to the page view statistics) make it clear that this redirect is used. --MZMcBride (talk) 13:26, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
I think the suggestion that we make it a Disambig page makes the most sense. I had done a search, and agree saying nothing linked to it was a hyperbole, but the only uses I found were random Userpages and old archived discussions (two to be exact). I still do not see how using the shortcut for a humor article (I don't care if Jimbo himself wrote it - it's a humor article) has more value or logic than redirecting to an active project page. I still haven't seen any argument that addresses that practicality. As a sidenote, I do appreciate that you showed more restraint and respect than elsewhere - but you are smart enough to know that condescension is not going to persuade the target. If convincing me wasn't the goal - hashing this out elsewhere makes more sense IMHO. In any case, the public discussion did garner a good suggestion, so I think we should compromise on that. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 16:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the edit to GAY. Looks good. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Agreed (who says we're too disagreeable?). Pleasure doing business with you - as always. :) --Varnent (talk)(COI) 17:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Page move without leaving a redirect

When you do this to a page, please clear out WhatLinksHere first. - dcljr (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was only in use one place when I checked that - did I miss a place? --Varnent (talk)(COI) 23:04, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
You beat me to it. - dcljr (talk) 23:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Apologies - I did the transclusion first and got distracted before finishing my check on the other references. Thank you for being so quick to catch it! --Varnent (talk)(COI) 23:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
That was only because I was watching the page with e-mail notifications turned on, because One Of These Days I was going to implement the changes outlined at Meta talk:Babel#Multilingual instructions. Fortunately, Steinsplitter did it instead. - dcljr (talk) 03:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia LGBT

I don't believe we have met formally, on-wiki or off-wiki, but I imagine we might start working together more frequently. Please feel free to shoot me an e-mail for offline introductions and discussion. Thanks! --Another Believer (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Very nice to make your e-acquaintance! --Varnent (talk)(COI) 16:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Please see Wikimedia LGBT/Participants. I added names from the Proposed Board list to the general list of project participants/supporters, in the order in which they added their name to the Board list (based on time stamps, when possible). This brings the total count to 15. If you had included yourself in the 16, would you mind signing the general list of supporters as well? I will post the same request to Wikitanvir. My reason for doing this is that the Board section might change, sooner or later, so it is good to have supporters listed below as well. Thank you. --Another Believer (talk) 22:20, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done and also updated Wikimedia LGBT/Participants/Template to use # instead of *, not sure how that will work out when it has multiple folks with the spaces between each that method creates - will ponder that a bit... --Varnent (talk)(COI) 13:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Just figured the numbered list is better for keeping count, even if it requires some manual work. --Another Believer (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Sounds like a reasonable and good idea to me. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 13:53, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding this edit: I see that the ThOrg page was moved, but not the User Groups page. --Another Believer (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

That move will be done very soon - soon enough that it seemed time saving to just make that revision then. It is the proper case - I am simply waiting for my Meta admin rights or another admin to get around to it. It has many subpages attached - so it's not a simple move. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 19:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Gotcha! Thanks for the fast response. --Another Believer (talk) 20:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for marking LGBT for translation. I had no idea how to do that. All I could think to do was approach one Spanish-speaker about his of her willingness to translate (which I did). Hopefully now others will be more inspired to translate. --Another Believer (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

What's up with the formatting of the template here? I do not know how to fix this. --Another Believer (talk) 16:33, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! --Another Believer (talk) 18:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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Wikimedia LGBT page translations

Hi, Varnent. I have been recruiting people to assist with translating pages at Wikimedia LGBT. Someone responded on my talk page, requesting a link to start translating. Are there any links I need to provide? I'm afraid I am not too familiar with how page translations work, here at Meta or otherwise. I was hoping it would be obvious to translators once they reached Wikimedia LGBT, but perhaps more work is involved. Any assistance would be helpful. Thanks. --Another Believer (talk) 20:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this and apologies for my delayed response - it has been a hectic month. The best resource that I could find is at: mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Translation example - which is itself a problem. I will ponder linking to that resource better from Meta-site. --Varnent (talk)(COI) 19:05, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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