Wikibase Community User Group/Meetings/August 2020/Archived Etherpad Discussions
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Wikibase Community User Group/Meetings/August 2020
- 15:00 UTC, 1 hour, Thursday 6 August 2020
- Online meeting on Google Meet: https://meet.google.com/oia-boix-ftz
- Join by phone: https://meet.google.com/tel/oia-boix-ftz?pin=9237958733271&hs=1
- 3-4 of the participants do short (e.g. 5min) presentations on some of their work with modeling GLAM data in Wikibase (or Wikidata), possibly with a focus on mapping existing ontological standards.
- Q&A after each presentation.
- Group discussion in the end on lessons learned, challenges, success stories, etc with all participants.
- Topic and schedule of the next meeting
Participants (who is here)
- Mohammed Sadat (WMDE)
- Georgina Burnett (WMDE)
- Dan Shick (WMDE)
- Johan Richer (EURHISFIRM.eu / Paris School of Economics)
- Jens Ohlig (WMDE)
- Susanna Ånäs (WMFI)
- Christine Fernsebner Eslao (Harvard Library)
- Franziska Diehr (Freie Universität Berlin, research Cluster of Excellence "Temporal Communities")
- Paloma Graciani Picardo (Harry Ransom Center, University of Texas at Austin)
- Jeroen De Dauw (Technical Director Professional.Wiki, Wikibase developer)
- Richard Knipel (Metropolitan Museum of Art, Wikimedia NYC)
- Lozana Rossenova (Rhizome)
- Mohammed's introduction
- WMDE folks introduce themselves before Lozana takes it away
- 22 participants
- Asks whether participants are comfortable with recording the session
- Idea of this session was an informal meeting where we could share our experiences with GLAM modelling
- Lozana is working as a researcher at Rhizome (based in New York) and has been involved in other projects involving Wikibase
- About Rhizome
- Working with internet art/net art, which varies from traditional art
- Art deals with concepts of network, could be a website, performances, videos etc
- Rhizome needs different metadata standards to describe this kind of art
- Wikibase instance describing Rhizome artworks
- How did they deal with describing this kind of art, which is more difficult to describe than traditional art collections?
- Wikidata page laying out data model https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Digital_and_Performative_Arts/Provenancial_Data
- How did people go about mapping nonsingulars?
- Wikibase offered data-model flexibility unavailable in Wikidata
- Looked at other standards and one particularly useful standard called PROV
- Really wanted to be able to track provenance, and prov was very useful for this
- Forgot to mention that PROV is also good, because it's already partially implemented in Wikidata – e.g. the reference statements are expressed as PROV in the RDF that Wikidata writes.
- Developed their own interpretation of PROV standard which allowed them to describe really complex things
- Question: how are people thinking about event based modelling in wikidata and wikibase?
- Rhizome experience so far: both very flexible, but limited when it comes to actually doing event based modelling
- Event based modelling
- CIDOC-CRM community does not seem to be as interested in mapping, used a lot by archaeologists
- presentation slides by Lozana - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UL4a_JlBLyotdsVpaTtqWmQknU0Rj2nlIVZanfewzao/edit?usp=sharing
- Possibly also relevant – open access to the paper that goes alongside the presentation: https://osf.io/4xyan/
- Franziska: really use it as a reference model, how can i relate to the concept of this event or person? Want to use wikibase as a hub for several research projects dealing with different questions about literary history. Fond of event based model, using standards to develop own model
- If anyone would like to join project page from Rhizome, they would be interested in proposing a new Wikidata property and could potentially do this collectively - a lot of these museums (moma etc) would also likely benefit. Also doesn't necessarily need to be variant of, but something similar - e.g. manifestation of, expression of, instantiation of, etc.
- The Sphere: https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/project/the-sphere
- Discussion of variant-related issues (among other film modeling issues in Wikidata/Wikibase): https://www.fiafnet.org/pages/E-Resources/Cataloguing-Practices-Linked-Open-Data.html
- Franziska --> do you make use of inverse properties? if yes, how do you deal with that regarding consistency in data recording?
- Lozana --> We do use inverse properties, variant is best example of this. Consistently use has variant and variant of - we think it would make querying much easier. Another inverse example: creator and creator of
- Franziska --> so you don't introduce a inverse property for everything, but just for those instances where it is useful
- Lozana --> try to think about it in terms of what will people query
- Christine --> Would you run into notability issues for something like an individual casting of a sculpture, in Wikidata?
- Richard --> I don't think notability would be an issue, at least if it's in a public collection
- Lozana --> How do we share work progress and learnings across domains? A good converation to have in the future. Also discuss other areas that could be topic of future sessions.
- Proposed meetings page can be used for this planning: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikibase_Community_User_Group/Proposed_meetings
- Action point to come out of this: collective proposal for Wikidata property
- CIDOC_CRM: Luxembourg Library working on this
Suggestions for next meeting
- I would be interested in looking into setup/configuration of wikibase, because we are struggeling with that. (e.g. setting up a base URI and stuff like that) (Franziska Diehr)
- As the resident technical writer I'm trying to build out documentation around stuff like this, so please send me concrete questions not answered by https://wikiba.se at email@example.com . yay! I'll help however I can, and stuff I don't know I'll look up and publish for everyone's use.
- oh great, thank you! We will reach out to you! (Also I think maybe we are just kinda lost at the moment ;)