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Wikibase Community User Group/Meetings/2024-05-30

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Regular meeting of the Wikibase Community User Group.

Participants (Who is here?)

  • Laurence 'GreenReaper' Parry (Wikibase Community User Group / WikiFur.com)
  • Keren (UX Researcher WMDE)
  • Ismael Olea (LaOficina)
  • Camillo Pellizzari
  • Giovanni Bergamin
  • TuukkaH
  • Jon Amar (WMDE)




  • There has been no news on the proposals other than that there should be news this week (though this is like the last two weeks...)
  • https://hypotheseis.wikibase.cloud/wiki/Main_Page
    • Manual edits and QuickStatements, tried to use EntitySchema and Cradle, but qualifiers and references are needed so had to abandon using Cradle
    • Student in ancient Greek, waiting for others to join and add data (2x-3x needed for "complete" database) -- haven't used verify or OpenRefine, mostly draft in Excel and export to TXT with substitutions and then QS, works well but found a bug reported in the Telegram group, blocking another wikibase to edit a lot of string values, though it can't remove refs and qualifiers.
    • Camillo requests CSS and JS scripts in their accounts on Wikibase.cloud, and also MediaWiki:Common.js (MediaWiki:Common.css/JSON is already available)
    • creates indiv user risks but not service or sitewide level issues.
      • Lua is possible but doesn't solve a lot of common issues. it's more designed for content generation.
      • Architecture issues with cloud have forced deprioritization of the issue - it's a different issue to scale one large instance vs. a lot of smaller issues
      • Perhaps the user script wouldn't need to be customizable per-wiki either, and perhaps there could be a system where your user script from e.g. meta would be automatically enabled for you on all wikis including Cloud
      • meta.wikibase.cloud?
  • The Very Small GLAM initiative
    • promoted by LaOficina, a cultural ONG in Spain;
    • initiative for very small teams, 5-6 people, focus in to low entry barriers for IT museology adoption;
    • in practice, we have conceived something like a meta package of Wikibase Suite to include an OS solution which includes data preservation.
    • We are prototyping with themselves to set up a digital archive of cinema history production in the province of Almería (Spain), eating own dogfood.
    • Required to use it locally because Wikibase.cloud does not host media and may not be free content or have any rights to republish.
    • 2000 eur grant from WMF for assistance, expected to conclude 1 August.
    • Future ambition is to package all essential knowledge to perform activities for GLAM, how to conserve and catalog items. All this info is out there but no body of knowledge in the open. (Asked about open-sourcing the SPECTRUM standard from the UK and they said no.)
    • Another project workpackage is on ontologies Wikibase configuration: "the white/blank page fear", got to set up properties but where to start? Trying to find the most relevant ontology CIDOC CRM - has increasing adoption.
    • Probably makes sense to map the full ontology with a Wikidata new property but unsure how easy it will be, not everything is as trivial as expected. Need to work with subset of CIDOC, archiving standard recent version had ontology in SW format. Equivalent modelling of CIDOC. Need to define some bits that don't fit into the original archiving model and include thesaurus art/architecture, prelude, work ASAP.
    • Defined basic ontology happy to find colleague in WM Spain one of the proposers of the shape expression standard, and someone doing the same thing with the Luxembourg archive w.r.t. CIDOC, confirming basis of action.
    • Trying to identify European funding calls to feed through to us and goals of initiative. Hopefully in near future can make a call to set up a consortium to answer such calls.
    • Hoping to launch an example directory as a core product, run this instance and get it working out of the box, separate code/config/data clearly, rather than have updates destroy your past configuration.


Ismael Olea says: hi o/ 
Laurence 'GreenReaper' Parry says: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WBUG_2024_05_30 
Ismael Olea says: me 
Camillo Pellizzari says: https://hypotheseis.wikibase.cloud/wiki/Main_Page 
Keren R (wmde) (she/her) says: Hello everyone! I'm having problems with my computer sound, I go into the meeting but I don't hear any of you. Trying to fix it, sorry if I keep getting in and out. 
Laurence 'GreenReaper' Parry says: OK! I hope it can be fixed. 
Camillo Pellizzari says: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T356397 
Camillo Pellizzari says: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T310787 
Camillo Pellizzari says: https://hypotheseis.wikibase.cloud/wiki/Main_Page 
Ismael Olea says: Camillo, have checked if OpenRefine manages qualifiers? Now I can't be sure. 
Laurence 'GreenReaper' Parry says: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Software_Collaboration_for_Wikidata/Call_Submissions 
Camillo Pellizzari says: https://www.cidoc-crm.org/ 
Camillo Pellizzari says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDOC_Conceptual_Reference_Model 
Camillo Pellizzari says: https://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/aat/index.html 
TuukkaH says: Perhaps the user script wouldn't need to be customizable per-wiki either, and perhaps there could be a system where your user script from e.g. meta would be automatically enabled for you on all wikis including Cloud 
Camillo Pellizzari says: or from Wikidata; it could be a good solution IMHO 
Camillo Pellizzari says: yeah, Wikibase Cloud is outside OAuth 
Camillo Pellizzari says: this could be a problem 
TuukkaH says: meta.wikibase.cloud 😄 
Camillo Pellizzari says: I agree, that should be! 
TuukkaH says: Wikibase Suite Image Collection? 
Ismael Olea says: In any case, please rename the github project name from wikibase-release-pipeline to something more attractive 😃 
Ismael Olea says: I need to leave also