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Thanks for the move[edit]

Thanks Shanel for the move! Yeah, I got myself barred again. But I'll probs not be banned for long, cos of my shared IP adresses with a well-established Welsh university. Block log says User:Raul654 is banning me til December 18th. p.s. for moving the Jimbo stuff, I'll give you one of my nihilartikels. w:Broken Manika - they're my friends' band, who are really small. But have managed to be editted by 3 other users. So you can afd it if u like. Thanks, see you on December 18th, my dear --Wonderfool 00:11, 12 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Chavacano de Zamboanga wikipedia[edit]

Hello Shanel. Would you please help us. We would like to know exactly when was the exact date Meta approved the creation of Chavacano Wikipedia http://cbk-zam.wikipedia.org

Also, I would like to know where I can have the wikimedia configure the user preference in our Chavacano wikipedia. Whenever we configure the language in our user profile http://cbk-zam.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences cbk-zam is listed as cbk-zam - cbk-zam which is wrong. It should be cbk-zam - Chavacano de Zamboanga. Thanks. --Weekeejames 01:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hello, thanks for restoring. Is the User:Delete a vandal ?--Wikinaut 19:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Reply


For reverting vandalism on my user page. Jon Harald Søby 16:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi! I don't believe I have thanked you for this yet. Thank you! Jon Harald Søby 16:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)Reply


Great! Thx very much! Benoni 00:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sysop rights[edit]

Hello, Shanel
as a result of the unanimous election held on this page, you've been granted sysop status. Please list yourself in the sysop box. Thank you, M/ 14:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

János Garay[edit]

Hi ... I was trying to start a new page -- for János Garay, a multiple time Olympic medalist, but you deleted it. Pls let me know why, and if there is a better way for me to get him up. One problem that I was running into was that there is a second person with the same name already. The second problem of course is your deletion. Thanks. -- 22:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hello, Shanel! I hope you don't mind me asking, but did a user call you on IRC to block an IP on simplewiki? I noticed that you changed your user rights, with no corresponding action on the simple wiki. Cheers, PullToOpen 02:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)Reply


For your recent anti-vandal work on the Māori Wikipedia. Cheers Kahuroa 11:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Wikimedia Canada Chapter[edit]

I saw that you signed up as a participant. Would you be interested in helping to get the Chapter going? We're seeking approx. 10 members to help out get things rolling. Leave a note on the WM Can page or on my talk page. v:User:Historybuff 06:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the support! Have you signed up on the mailing list? If not, please do so. And we need other Canadians, at least 4 more at last count, so we can formally get the ball rolling. v:User:Historybuff 16:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the feedback. I'm sure we'll be quite active in the coming weeks -- please do encourage those two wikimedians to join us. v:User:Historybuff 22:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)Reply


For some obscure reason, my userpage was prefixed by user:user: ... and I hat to wait three days to be allowed to move it! Thanks for fixing it. Michelet-密是力 19:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hi Shanel - could you give me "trusted" rights on the countervandalism.org or let me know what you need to do so? Same name user there as here, user here & here with a bit of a track record & Az knows me too. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 10:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks --Herby talk thyme 15:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Javanese Wikibooks[edit]

Hey thank you for the information! I will spread the word. Meursault2004 17:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hello Mr Shanel. I`m new wikipedian of en.wikipedia & metawiki and older in fa.wiki. I`m so glad to meet you, because you`re an admin of wiki. in this manner, I have proposal for the better user cheking for sockpuppet in wiki.
Now, your processed agent strings is only software agent like kind of browser or operation system. in this manner, in the some browsers like IE or firefox, and operation system like xp or vista that have used by many general users, couse the mistake in cheking the users. in some country like Iran, the IP addresses is shared between many users in an ISP and maybe all the people of one city in Iran have same IP. further, some of realy sockpuppet users (that unfortunately not a few in fa.wiki) can change browser and operation systems in short time and escape from checkusers. unfortunately it couse to born the very bad user bands that prevent growing wiki project and decrease contributions, specialy in fa.wiki that I cooperated in it.
For solve this problem, I propose that design the cookies for register the further hardware information about user`s computers in mediawiki software. it`s very better than software agent string, because changing the hardware doesn`t possible in short time and so comfortable.
I hope that my idea be suitable for this great project and you use it.
Best regards
--Gordafarid 15:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Mr Pathoschild answered and guide me[1]. regards,--Gordafarid 18:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

RE: Matter on Dhivehi Wiki[edit]

Hello Shanel, I am And Admin and A bureaucrat from Dhivehi wiki. It came to our attention that a user Shanel was created and gained Adminship on the same day. As to give adminship on our wiki, we have a local voting session. I talked Redux about the matter and and he confirmed it to me that u were the same user who created the account. Before we knew that, i discussed the matter and Blocked the user from making further edits. I'm very sorry if i caused you any inconvenience.

Thank You very much for your valuable time and support.

--Glacious(T) 09:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Korean Hanja Wikipedia[edit]

Please read this. I want your answer about Korean Hanja Wikipedia. --Masoris 18:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Malayalam wikipedia[edit]

Please see this check user request. Thanks for your immediate response. I have added one more requst at the bottom of the same check user request. If you dont mind plese check that user also in priority. And also kindly let me know whether all those users are sockpuppets or not in one word. So that I can take action against them as the voting closes today..

With thanks and regards --Vssun 09:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)Reply


I looked in vain for the meta rules on usurpations. I am User:N on en but here the name is taken, and the person used it merely to create a throwaway account. I know I could wait for unified login, but I want to participate in the board thing using my own name. So far I've taken the name on en, commons, es. and simple english. Would meta allow an usurpation if I proved my identity? Nardman1 11:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

request for permissions Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Wiktionary[edit]

Per your request, here's what I would like to be able to do:

TPI Wikipedia maintenance:
Take care of long neglected administrative tasks, e.g., moving and renaming pages, reverting edits, merging edit histories, locking pages, executing speedy deletes of articles that have been tagged but not yet deleted, blocking users who have vandalized the encyclopedia, and blocking irrelevant and/or inappropriate bots.

TPI Wikipedia upgrade and revisions:
The TPI Wikipedia is extraordinary because (a) the target audience overall has limited access to computers. Here's a quote from a 2001 report on the PNG Business and Tourism forum about attempts to improve voter education to illustrate the problem:

We were also told that a large amount of funding was devoted to the development of an elections website. While in theory this appeared as a useful transparency exercise, it should be noted that computer usage and internet access in Papua New Guinea is very limited and therefore such a medium did not have the desired impact and should be considered against cost implications.

In addition to limited access to computers, the TPI audience has a lower literacy rate (approx. 57% for ages 14-26, lower on either side of the curve), and (b) tok pisin is a relatively recent lingua franca which is used conjointly with English (which is PNG's nominal national language). So an Internet-browser based encyclopedia for Papua New Guinea will have to meet the same goals and objectives of the Foundation overall, but will also necessarily have to be designed to meet the needs of the peoples of PNG and Melanesia. This means to me that the TPI Wikipedia needs to be primarily bi-lingual —tok pisin and English—, but also should be able to accomodate other closely-related regional pidjin languages (Bislama and Solomon Islands Creole, for example). A proposal (which I have tested, and which appears to work) is to provide an English sub-page to Tok Pisin articles, e.g. the Tok Pisin article "Papua Niugini" has a subpage "Papua Niugini/English" which is the translated version of the Tok Pisin article (or vice-versa, whatever). In that example, I've copied the EN article "Papua New Guinea" over as the English sub-page to "Papua Niugini". The value in doing that at this initial stage of development is that all the EN templates, links, etc. that haven't been written into the TPI Wikipedia are shown in red, and can be clearly seen. This makes (to some extent, anyway) it easier (and quicker) to implement upgrades into the TPI Wiki. However, one of the necessities, as I see it, is to start writing article titles with "redirect" tags, and as I understand it, removing those redirect tags and deleting the pages will require an administrator/sysop permissions level to carry them out.

TPI Wiktionary ugrade and revisions:
As with the TPI Wikipedia, the TPI Wiktionary IMHO needs very much to be a bi-lingual dictionary. My vision for a bi-lingual TPI dictionary is to have a tok pisin page for any given tok pisin word with it's definition in tok pisin, but also with a link to the word's equivalent (but separate) English-language page. The definition of the English word would have both the word's tok pisin equivalent, along with the standard English definition. One of the real values of doing it this way is that either a tok pisin or English word can be entered in the search box, and the corresponding definition page will be returned. My initial test is with the TPI work "wanbel", which translates to "agreement" in English. The initial test works well. The need for temporary administrator/sysop permissions is to go into the dictionary and move/change/delete some of the pages there that were set up as dummies when the dictionary was first initiated. Again, I'm not all that experienced yet with Wiki media organization and all, but I'm quickly learning. At the moment, I'm going over all the Wiki reference articles I can find about templates and template coding in the Wikipedia:, Category:, Template: and Help: namespaces. By way of an excuse for my delay is responding to you is trying to discover how to revise existing templates. (Through which, by the way, I found an error in the {Infobox Writer} template: The section in the compiler version that sets the placement, style, and color of the "Born:" heading is screwed up. See my talk page sandbox, "User:K. Kellogg-Smith/sandbox" to see the error).

My apologies for writing in the verbose mode, but I feel strongly about getting the TPI Wikipedia and Wiktionary upgraded and "respectable". There are many, many available resources that can be tapped to populate the Wikipedia, and good dictionaries also available to help populate the Wiktionary. I think both are exceptionally worthwhile projects, and will benefit the PNG/Melanesian community.

So, the bottom line is that I think that I need to have temporary administrator/sysop permissions, and if so, I really would like to have the permissions granted. I estimate that the development work on the two TPI Wiki's will take roughly three to four months to coordinate, develop, and debug, after which others who have come on board the project in the interim can carry on with it. So I would need the temporary sysop/Administrator permissions for that period of time. Thanks, K. Kellogg-Smith 03:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

  • Shanel: Just out of curiousity.  At your request, I sent the above information to you two weeks ago.  I haven't received an acknowledgement from you as yet that you've noted it (and perhaps even read it?). Sean Whitton suggested a few days ago that I need to have approval from the TPI community before my request will be acted on.  But of course, as I noted in my request, there is no TPI community.  So Sean's suggestion is an example of a Hellerian "Catch-22", pretty much like getting a dog to chase its tail.  Whatever, I still need to have temp sysop/admin permissions to move, delete, and reorganize pages in the Wiki. As it stands now, about all I've been able to do is muck around a bit with the front page of the TPI Wikipedia, keeping the "Karen afeas" (current affairs) section updated daily, and adding a photo or two in the "Dispela wik" (this week" section.  For this week I've pulled a very interesting animated photo out of the Commons.  It's an animated photo of a Vanuatuan using a stick and a rubbing board to make firel with children watching him.  I think it's worth seeing if you haven't seen it before.  An animated photo (.gif).  You can see it if you go to the TPI Wikipedia (tpi.Wikipedia.org) and scroll down "Pes fran" (front page).  I've gone to the WikiProject Melanesia group to generate interest in revitalizing the TPI Wiktionary and Wikipedia.  Anyway, I've put in a great many hours during the past month (on average, about six to eight hours a day) to uncover the problems in the two TPI Wikis, but I guess there's absolutely no point at all in my wasting any more fruitless hours with the two Wikis if my hands are tied by my lacking the permissions required to do the work that's needed.  I love the work I'm doing with the two Wikis, and as a result have been rapidly learning to read and write the Tok Pisin language.  But honestly Shanel, as much as I like enjoy the Wikipedia work I'm doing, I've got lots of other work that I should also be doing. It's the Wikipedia Foundation that will be impacted (even if it's in a small way), not me, if I give up on the the TPI project for what I perceive as a lack of interest by the Administration give me even a small bit of help. K. Kellogg-Smith 05:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Is all! --Herby talk thyme 18:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Checkuser status on fawiki[edit]

Hi: Hope life is treating you well.

It seems that you have created an account on fawiki with chekcuser status, so has done user:Drini. I was wondering if that is really needed, in the sense that you could already check people's IP. You have mentioned that this was done "per request", which request was that? Is this part of a bigger story, that I am not aware of. Some users are baffled on Persian wiki.

Take care,

Behaafarid 09:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi please help me in steward abuse[edit]

I am blocked from the IRC steward channel by a Stewart called Effeit Sanders, whom i have accused in my eyes very proving, of bias i would like to talk to some other stewards about his actions i feel that i am being abused by his higher power here i want my case be herd by his pears how can i do that?--יודל 19:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

malayalam wikipedia[edit]

Please check this check user request. As you said, kindly get antother steward to close this case immediately.

with regards --Vssun 19:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

CU request again[edit]

Hi Shanel! Hope you are happy and fine. I have made a new CU request here. Other sysops have agreed with my in that regard. I'd be grateful if you perform the checkuser and tell us the results. Just in case, it is possible that fa:User:سرهنگ or some other accounts turn out to be SPs of the same users, so please inform us in that regard. In case you prefer not to post them in public, you can mail them to me. Thanks in advance Huji 12:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thank you Shanel. Please inform me when you have reassessed the results, after your midterm. Huji 09:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Follow up[edit]

Have you had any progress with this one Shanel? By the way, what is the story of the pony?! Huji 17:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your message on my talk page. There is no hurry in having the answer. I'm having exams these days as well, so I understand! Just take your time for what is more necessary now, and inform me when you got the time to go through the CU information again. Huji 14:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Query regarding arbitration process[edit]

Hello, I need an advice. I am an administrator at the Lithuanian Wikipedia. We had a person in our project whose actions were in the end considered as vandalism or trollying. He finally got blocked for an extended period of time. Afterwards he started kind of his own project in Lithuanian Wikibooks, which is meant to "reveal the intolerable behaviour and wrongdoing of the wikipedia adminstrators" (paraphrased). Following this, an argument between myself and that person evolved (in wikibooks) which really can't be put into discussion category, as I would not say a discussion is possible with that person at all, not the least he started that argument. That person takes any statements I write, twists them around and then puts everything in the way as if it is me, not him, a vandal. Finally he wrote a number of accusations towwards me, and I admit it's starting to become unnerving, even if I know I am right in this argument. Nobody so far has interfered in this 'discussion' and the fact that with regards to this person, almost every regular user of wikipedia can't be considered neutral, I do not know if inviting a third person would prove effective and if I should. This leaves me in a quite helpless position. The next stage would be requesting arbitration, should I do that? If you could please answer here or on my talk page at Lithuanian Wikipedia [2], I would be grateful. Thank you very much. Mea 16:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Please do me a favor[edit]

Sir, sorry to bother you. I made a request (See this) to check a Chinese Wikipedia vandal for some days, but there is still no answer to the issue. If the check is a mission imposible, please let me know. Your kindly help will be highly appreciated. Thank you for your attention.--百楽兎 02:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Thank you for changing protection period of OTRS/volunteering from indefinite to 4 days. I'll come back on 21st July then, thanks! 18:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

As requested[edit]

Sorry Lar said it would take too many stamps to post it! --Herby talk thyme 17:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

inviting your attention to some goingons on ml.wikipedia[edit]

Please see There are many copyrighted images uploaded to ml.wikipedia under false licensing. The admins show scant regard for copyright. A request on checkuser is pending. Please take care of the situation. Calicuter 05:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Greetings Shanel,

Could you please grant me temporary sysop access to Gikuyu Wikipedia. I have placed my request here.

Thankyou. --Jose77 02:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Upper Sorbian Wiktionary[edit]

Ancient Greek Wikipedia ??? --32X 01:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Conditional approval of Upper Sorbian Wiktionary[edit]

Hi Shanel,

at Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Upper Sorbian you write: The only step left before the creation of a Upper Sorbian Wiktionary is the translation of the basic wiki interface; . However, a full translation to Upper Sorbian already exists. It had been prepared for the Upper Sorbian Wikipedia. So I guess the hsb Wiktionary should go live immediately. --Johannes Rohr 06:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Cajun French[edit]

"Crimean Tatar" should be replaced by "Cajun French". --Johannes Rohr 08:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

help me and fa.wiki[edit]

hello shanel, I`m sorry for take your time again. I have problem with fa.wiki that I requsted u to solve it. I make fa:کاربر:gordafarid for correcting the interwikis category and templates. but after the less than ten contribution, the sysop fa:کاربر:حسام blocked my ID! he is deep revengeful with me and block me without doing any mistake or vandalism from me for infinite time!! all the discussions exist in the fa:ویکی‌پدیا:تابلوی اعلانات مدیران/اوت ۲۰۰۷#قطع دسترسی بی‌پایان کاربر:گردآفرید and u can want from the another NPOV sysop Mr User:Behaafarid for translate them for you. حسام is a very olligarchy and anarchy sysop and didn`t like the fa.wiki have improved and goes to NPOV point. he blocks the active and oposse his POV users without any wiki rules. unfortunately the fa.wiki burocrats are his very closed friends and didn`t pay attention to his opposite the law operations. thanks for your attentions.--Gordafarid 19:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Steward Drini's cancellation of my temp TPI sysop permissions[edit]

On July 9th you granted me 90-day temp sysop permission for the TPI Wikipedia.  Steward Drini has now cancelled your grant, and has done so without notifying me of his specific reasons for doing so.

I have worked long and hard several months now to bring the Tok Pisin Wikipedia and Wiktionary back to life again.  I have gone to extraordinary lengths to thoroughly document my work on Talk pages, and to provide regular progress reports to both WikiProject Melanesia members and others.  I have done far, far more work than anyone else on those two Wikis (other than the originator).  And I have put in hour upon hour of study to learn more about how to read and write Tok Pisin articles, templates, and other Wikipedia tasks.  As I wrote in my Wikipedia e-mail to you, working on the two Wikis has become a "labor of love", a project in which I have advanced from casual editing to becoming very deeply involved.

That being said, I must object to what I consider to be an inappropriate action by Steward Drini.  If I have erred in doing my work as temporary TPI sysop, then I suggest that a more appropriate administrative action would have been to advise me of what specific Foundation policies I had been violating, and then to allow me a reasonable, probationary interval which would make it possible for me to continue my work.

I consider this matter to be a very serious, one that should be brought to the Administration's attention.  Perhaps you might talk to Steward Drini about his decision and discuss his action with him.  If not, then if you would be so kind, please let me know if the Foundation has an appeal process, and what that procedure might be.

K. Kellogg-Smith 12:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Photos I told you over IRC[edit]

As I told you over IRC, I managed to upload those photos to commons. Hope you enjoy them, Huji 09:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)Reply


How many ponies did he have to give you for that one? ++Lar: t/c 17:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Korean Hanja Wikipedia[edit]

I'm waiting Language Subcommittee's answering about Korean Hanja Wikipedia. Please reply it! --Masoris 23:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

How the discussion going on? --Masoris 07:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)Reply
??? --Masoris 04:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Transparency in approval process[edit]

Hi Shanel,
Thank you for the reply to my question [3] regarding the approval process. I understand you and other members of the approval committee being busy in real life, and appreciate the time you have set aside for helping to advance Wikipedia's further development.

I had a look at the Requisites for conditional approval section of the Approval Policy and can see that Ottoman Wikipedia has already met all the conditions.

    1. The proposal is to open a new language edition of Wikipedia, and it does not already exist.
    2. The language has a valid ISO-639 code as ota.
      If there is no valid ISO-639 or RFC 4646 code, it should be a natural language or a well-established constructed language with extensive body of works in this language.
    3. The language is unique and could not coexist on a more general wiki.
      The difference with other languages is real.
    4. The proposal has a sufficient number of interested editors to form a viable community and audience.

Consider above I request you and other committee members to kindly review the application for the creation of the Ottoman Wikipedia. Thanks --Mehrdad 19:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Reply


Thanks Shanel, appreciated --Herby talk thyme 07:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Reply


The first edition was originally dedicated to you on 3:40 AM today (when you were away). It was revised since:

Once upon a time, there was a Shannie Who fell deep in love, with this cute Ponny
On the other hand, Mr Pathos was Who had cabbages in his powerful claws
Mr Pathos was really generous Things he gave to her were, say, numerous
So he said to her "Darling! Love! Honney! Don't worry 'cause I'll buy you that Ponny!"
So did Pathoschild, and the story ends!! Stewards applause as the poet bends!

Huji 07:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Armenian Wikisource[edit]

Hi, could you please take a look at my question about the request for Armenian Wikisource. Thanks. ― Teak 21:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi again. The only requirement for final approval indicated at the time of conditionl approval is now met: the localization has been completed, please consider the final approval of the request. Thanks Teak 11:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)Reply


Please leave your comment about greek WV at language subcommitee's talk.

Richard Greene(fiddle player)[edit]

Hi Shanel, Please see Talk:Richard Greene (fiddle player) at Wikipedia ([4]). The main article "Richard Greene (fiddle player)" was nominated for deletion, and I emailed Richard Greene who responded ("...and I give the page my complete and unequivocal authorization") by email. The page was restored but it has been suggested that he file an OTRS ticket with the Foundation - if you could help him, or help me help him do that, I would appreciate that. I'd hate to have the article on such an important musician deleted (again). Thanks -- 17:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Oh - I didn't realize Wikimedia wouldn't recognize my WP signature - I'm user Gekritzl at Wikipedia - thank you. - Gekritzl

WikiQuote Limburgish[edit]

Thank you for the conditional approve of our Limburgish Wikiquote. I'll start translating the interface as soon as I can, I already have translator status on betawiki. --OosWesThoesBes 04:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Translation Limburgish Interface[edit]

Hey, everything is translated execpt those viewed at the talk page of requests for new languages/Wikiquote Limburgish and those who are equal to the fallback language Dutch. We await final aprove and creation. --OosWesThoesBes 15:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Conditional approval request for Ottoman Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Shanel, I would like to thank you for your support on conditional approval of Ottoman WIkipedia. You may like to know that currently there is a discussion in process for the approval of Ottoman Turkish Wikipedia. As a one of the requesters for approval of this project, I have left some comments in Special_projects_subcommittees/Languages page. Also have placed some information on Educational activities on Ottoman Language that you may like to browse.
Thanks in advance for your attention on this subject. --Mehrdad 17:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Status of Ottoman Turkish in Education[edit]

Hi Shanel, To assist with your assessment of the education activity for Ottoman Turkish, my Turkish Wikipedian friend Tarih, have helped me to compile a page as Statistics on Ottoman Turkish Education using available official statistics based on matrix provided byHigher Education Board of Turkey (Tablo 4) on its official website. Using this source we could extract the number of first year students who will be thought Ottoman Turkish Language during their courses. According to this tables, the total for the State Universities are 11870 students and private universities 1215 , which bring us to the Grand Total of 13085 students learning Ottoman Turkish (Osmanli). Considering these figures are just for the first year, it is safe to assume that at least twice this number being trained in this language. We hope this will help to clarify the status of this language as a prerequisite course for Turkish Literature, art and historical research. --Mehrdad 15:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Breton wikiquote[edit]

Hello! The breton wikiquote (see the test project) is ready to be approved and become official. All the criterias are completed: we've got an ISO 639 code, the language is unique with more than 300.000 native speakers, the test project is very active, the MediaWiki interface is completely translated! Could you help us to have our project approved? Thank you very much in advance!Benoni 13:22, 4 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Bot status for hi:User:DragonBot[edit]

Hi Shanel, saw your message here. However, as per Yann's page here, he seems to be busy now. Also, two arbitrations listed here could be keeping him busier. Hope that you could grand the flag. --Jacob 16:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Clarification needed[edit]

Hi! Please take a look at WM:LPP. Underneath the section 'Requisites for conditional approval' stays

4. The proposal has a sufficient number of living native speakers to form a viable community and audience. If the proposal is for an artificial language such as Esperanto, it must have a reasonable degree of recognition as determined by discussion.

Many users consider fictional languages (such as Klingon) to be unacceptable, and such proposals may get strong opposition. A precedent of note is the Klingon Wikipedia, which was eventually shut down (see archived discussion).

What is a reasonable degree of recognition as determined by discussion? Is only an ISO 639-code enough? You may know the failed Aeres Wp Request. If it gets a ISO 639-code, as a constructed language, and the test is active and the interface is translated etc. How likely will it be that the Wikipedia will be excepted? --OosWesThoesBes 19:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Final Approval of Crimean Tartar Request[edit]


Thank you for your information. On the talk page of our request we've decided that it is not so urgent and necessary to translate messages, visible for admins only (however, we've translated a plenty of them, too). Pathoschild was not against such a decision. So, the vast majority of the untranslated messages are from this category (i.e. visible for admins only). But still, you are right - there are a couple of dozens of untranslated messages visible for every user. That will be finished today or tomorrow.

Don Alessandro 07:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hello again!

So, we have finished with all non-admin visible messages. As far as I can see, the rules also state that for the first wiki in a language only, localizing the administrator interface is optional. However, we have translated a great part of it too. Please, note that we have translated more messages than Kabyle community (Kabyle request was approved this spring), much more than is now translated into Turkish (flowrishing wiki - 95877 articles, 121725 users), Esperanto (91737 articles, 3625 users), etc. We have completely translated the "top 500" list, some messages of which are not translated even into Spanish and Italian. So, I think we've done a good job.

Best regards, Don Alessandro 23:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Could you please update our status page here? Don Alessandro 20:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

PS I mean not the whole status page (Pathoschild has already updated it on Wednesday), but that it should be mentioned, that interface is completed. Don Alessandro 09:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Lower Sorbian Wikipedia[edit]

Hello Shanel, do you know when the Lower Sorbian Wikipedia finally will be official? It has got final approval, the interface has been translated and there is activity in Incubator. What is still missing? Are you that Shanel who opened bug 12181? Should be there still a lot of votes for that bug before dsbwp can be official? I hope that not. And who is responsible for activating dswp and transferring the contents from Incubator to the new subdomain dsb.wikipedia.org? Thank you in advance and kind regards, --Michawiki 15:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC) or : in Upper Sorbian WikipediaReply

Left you a message![edit]

Heya, long time no speak, and sorry it's over these grounds. Left you a message on irc, just making sure you get it, regarding a fairly important issue! Yes, my nick is kila. If you want to talk to me, through my wikipedia talk is best -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ali_K . Thanks Shanel, --Ali K 15:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

My steward election[edit]

Thank you for supporting my steward election having passed with 72-1-4-99%.--Jusjih 23:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)Reply


I need to chat with either you or Pathoschild on IRC at some point soon. Thanks! —Animum (talk) 18:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Interface Limburgish[edit]

Everuthing has been translated: http://translatewiki.net/w/?title=Special%3ATranslate&task=untranslated&group=core&language=li&limit=100 --OosWesThoesBes 09:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Changed usage for {{closed}}[edit]

Hi love. At some point you used {{closed}} with the "text" parameter (ie, {{closed|text=Rogue deletion omg. ~~~~}}). This will no longer work correctly in the future, because the "text" parameter will contain the entire discussion (to wrap it in a coloured box). Instead, please use {{closed|Summary}} or {{closed|1=Summary}} (for complex summaries). Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:16:52, 05 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Mayor Letter license[edit]

You pinged me on this the other day. As it's a letter that was written to the committee that is organizing Toronto's bid, I'm not really sure what license it should fall under. I'm happy to have it fall under a PD license, or GFDL, if I count as the original "artist" for having scanned it in. Otherwise, I'm open to suggestions. Taking pictures is easier then scanning letters, license wise. v:User:Historybuff 05:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

AlleborgoBot on lad.wikipedia[edit]

Hi! The flag that should be given near this edit was never done! =) Can you please give the flag to my bot? Thank you again. --Alleborgo 17:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

I always felt bad....[edit]

About using someone else's photo :)

So this is one I took for you :)

--Herby talk thyme 11:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Welcoming IPs[edit]

Thanks, if that is the case why do we have the template {{welcomeip}} ? Until I hear back I will stop welcoming IPs and just welcome new registered users. Cirt 06:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Okay I am checking the new users as I go and the majority of them look like good-faith contributors that deserve a welcome - but yea I will hold off on welcoming the IPs until I get some more clarification on that. Cirt 06:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply
As an aside as I have been going through some of the registered users that haven't yet been welcomed - I have noticed that some of them came back after as much as a user to contribute again - so if they have contributed relatively recently or even not for a while it is still a friendly thing to do - but again I get you on the anon-IPs. Cirt 06:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Okay, valid points, understandable, thanks. Another question - are there vandalism warning templates on this project - or perhaps even better a template for the user-talk messages? Cirt 06:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Well, I found Category:User templates, which helps, wasn't able to find a template that organizes all of them, like w:Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace - if that type of page does not yet exist on Meta it might be something useful to create. Cirt 07:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

FYI - I welcomed some (registered) users recently, but checked to make sure they were positive contributors, and also it seems that most of those are already heavy contributors on other projects. Cirt 15:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply


Only a ciao from an old man from Italy... (threecharlie)-- 03:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Language subcomitee[edit]

Hi!My user name is Tosão and I'm interesting to know about the Language Subcomitee:if is possible my enter.Please,give me a answer and a chance.

Thank you!Tosão 21:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)Reply


-16 years, -4 months, -24 days, -13 hours, -48 minutes, -15 seconds. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:41:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

"Fluent expression" instead of "Native" Requirement[edit]

Community find very problematic to limit language proposal to native language. in foundation list there many example of languages that has no native speakers, but are very useful as culture vehicle. possible proposals in these will fail because of this unfair barrier

what is our proposal?

the consensual proposal of wikimedia community is replace "native" requirement" for "fluent expression". in any kind of language form (oral, written, signal).

Please replace native for fluent expression. ~~u~~

Life changed[edit]

I was touched after reading your story about how Wikipedia and it's sister projects has affected your life. It is certainly an inspiring story. At times, I do wonder why Wikipedians argue about a lot of topics? But my main aim for this contribution is not about money instead it is about leaving a legacy and creating a global knowledge site.

I have heard a lot of inspiring stories but I do not have an interesting one to share. I remembered a story on how the definition of Fuck in Wikipedia actually encourage a vulgar friend of mine to start editing at Wikimedia projects.

I wish you good luck with your relationship with Pathoschild. Just let all Wikipedians know when you get married. It will be a good story on Wikinews. Diagramma Della Verita 14:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Tetum Wikipedia vs Tetun Wikipedia[edit]

Hi. I see you have noted that this was approved and hope you can help me find the right spot for the following, which I posted yesterday to Talk:Interwiki map and now realize is not the right place for it; I'm going to remove it from there, shortly.

The tet:wp is the Wikipedia in Tetum, the main national tongue and official language of Timór-Leste (East Timor) (quoted off their main page). I created an account there the other day and have added a few interwiki links to my userpage there; tet:Uza-na'in:Jack Merridew; my page at Commons:User:Jack Merridew has such a link.

Thing is, the iwlinks are being labeled with an alternate spelling of the language; Tetun, instead of Tetum. Both spelling are used, but if they're using the 'm' and the en:wp articles are, too, then it may be appropriate to have MediaWiki use that spelling, too. sil.org uses the 'Tetum' spelling. This does seem to have been squabbled over and it may well be that the 'm' should become an 'n', instead; in which case, this thread is moot as that's a discussion for elsewhere.

See also;

Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Why the deletion of the main page?[edit]

Hi, Shanel. Why did you delete the main page of cr.wikt? The info in it may be redundant with the notice but by deleting it you are as well concealing the history of the page from the general public. Even if it is only one edit long, that is info that should be available to anybody. Regards. --0 º 23:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Mari Wikipedia in Incubator[edit]

Please, take a look at Talk:Language_committee#Requests for approval Meadow Mari Wikipedia. Nobody has answered yet on my last post week ago. --Сай 09:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)Reply


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Permissions#Memo18.40enlabs Memo18 08:32, 7 May 2010 (UTC) --George Mel 13:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

SUL Merge[edit]

Please kindly check Steward_requests/SUL_requests#And_still_a_few_more_.3B.29. Thanks! -- Nazar 16:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Checkuser question from user of hindi wiki[edit]

Could you please take a look at en:User talk:Peter#help please and see if you're able to help there? I'm asking you as you're a steward that I recognise that's recently editing Steward requests/Checkuser, so hopefully know better than I do about such things. Thanks, Peter 17:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

hi Shanel! i am an admin in hindi wiki, we need check user tool to face sock puppetry. please tell me the procedure to install it on hindi wiki from mediawiki, hindi wiki will be grateful to you-- 17:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply


Sorry, but I do not understand, Have they to do? What verify? --minhhuy*= 09:46, 20 June 2010 (UTC)Reply


Hi, Shanel. Can you take a look at this request?

Thank you. Ruy Pugliesi 01:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hello Ruy, I did see your message but I have not acted on the request. I think other administrators need to voice their opinion on the issue, but I agree with what Tiptoey said, and have said so.--Shanel 04:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Need for closure[edit]

You had an active role in this matter, but then it looks like you walked away leaving me high and dry with this last unresolved matter [5]. Soon that page was running into trouble and I had to appeal, without much success. I would appreciate if you be so kind as to help bring this matter to a close with your opinion or, better yet, your action.


Virgilio A. P. Machado

Vapmachado 06:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Done. Vapmachado 01:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

For your information[edit]

Request for follow up. This is for your information only. Please feel free to decline. I don't consider that you are under any obligation to do whatsoever concerning my request.


Virgilio A. P. Machado

Vapmachado 01:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

your answer needed[edit]

Hello Shanel!
There are a few unanswered questions on Talk:Language committee. As a member of the language committee, I am kindly asking you to reply to the users' concerns posted there. Please don't be offended if the tone of my last posting there sounds a bit harsh, as I was a little disappointed because some questions weren't responded to in a while. Thank you!
--Saberon 12:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)Reply


Please lock the following accounts:

  • Chupem minha píca
  • Fodêr a bucetínha
  • Ataque em massa
  • Carálho na bucêta
  • Lioncourt é bicha
  • Comer seu cuzão

The home wiki is Portuguese Wikinews. Thanks. Diego Grez return fire 18:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Bot flags[edit]

Hi ! I would like to thank you for your (very) quick answer. See you next time ! Grimlock 08:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

your answer needed[edit]

Hi Shanel! Please note that there are some unanswered questions on Talk:Language committee. As a member of the language committee, I kindly ask you to post a reply. Thanks, Candalua 18:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Question about a checkuser result[edit]

Hi, Shanel. Please, help me to understand this result. I have just one question: Those accounts are related with this case? The behavior of all them says to me that they are related but I would like you to confirm before having a decision.” TeleS (T PT @ C G) 04:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hi, again. I've noticed that the relation between those accounts and others was confirmed on Commons. So, my request above can be ignored. Regards.” TeleS (T PT @ C G) 04:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)Reply



I've during the last few days completely cleaned out the access list of our IRC admin channel. Per this clean up, we've also updated and re-organized the on-wiki record of this channel here. This list is now exactly the same as the access list on IRC. Please always remember to update this list when making changes to the channel on IRC. It's just a reminder. Best, -Barras 12:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Formal request to members of STW election committee[edit]

I formally request votes from riffic to be discarded from the final tally since he has self admitted he's sabotaging the vote using his blanket votes as a protest mean, then polluting the actual numbers regarding the candidates trust. 18:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)Reply


Hi, today (Indonesia time) we start a writing competition for jv.wikipedia.

Could you assist so that the participants registration would not be considered as vandals. There would be around 100 participants all together. Thanks & Cheers — Tjmoel  bicara 05:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Global Java script[edit]

hi, can you please fix somali wiki. something is wrong with the (infobox country Template). it is on the wrong side.


Hi Shanel. Perhaps you're interested in this survey as well? (please revert it if you don't want this message on your user talk) Regards, Trijnstel 11:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

Notice of removal of adminship[edit]


I regret to inform you that, in accordance with Meta:Administrators/Removal and as a result of your inactivity, administrator rights have been removed from your account. Please see Meta:Administrators/Removal/October 2011 for details. Kind regards, vvvt 16:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

User removed references[edit]

User Utcursch has changed the Khera page twice both times deleting information. First time was on 7th of January and the 2nd time on on 14th October as seen from the history list. References were deleted and information removed.The following reference was removed http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-political-figures/khera-bhai.html it was a citation for the khatri word on the page. Not sure if that's allowed here.Please look into it if you have the time.


Survey women on Wikipedia[edit]

A while ago (on 1 October to be exact) I gave you a link to a survey about women on Wikipedia. Here are the results of it. Regards, Trijnstel 18:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Yucatec Maya[edit]

Hi,I think that wikipedias should be approval from incubator into wikipedias because majority of people support to open the Yucatec Maya Wikipedias.--Aplikasi 10:34, 1 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

Dear Friend, May be you are already aware , beginning of February 2012 month the Language Committee and WMF approved new wikisource projects http://mr.wikisource.org which is independent project for Marathi Language.This has been possible with your active contribution , support and best wishes towards Marathi language Wikisource project and we are very much thankful to you for the same.

The new Marathi Wikisource community invites you and requests for same support to http://mr.wikisource.org in times to come.

नमस्कार, आपणास कदाचित कल्पना असेल कि फेब्रुवारी २०१२ च्या सुरवातीस लँग्वेज कमिटी आणि विकिमिडिया फाऊंडेशननने मराठी भाषेकरिता स्वतंत्र http://mr.wikisource.org विकिप्रकल्पास मान्यता दिली आहे. हे केवळ आपल्या शुभेच्छा, सक्रीय योगदान आणि पाठींब्याने शक्य झाले आहे; आणि आपल्या योगदाना बद्दल समस्त मराठी बांधवांतर्फे धन्यवाद.

आपण आपले सक्रीय सहभाग, कार्य, पाठबळ http://mr.wikisource.org या प्रक्ल्पास देऊन मराठी भाषिकांचे हे मुक्त ग्रंथालय सर्व अंगाने समृद्ध करत रहावे म्हणून हे सादर निमंत्रण आणि नम्र विनंती.

आपण कॉमन विकिस्रोत प्रकल्पात,मराठी विकिबुक्स अथवा मराठी विकिपीडीया प्रकल्पात प्रताधिकारमुक्त साहित्याचे केलेले लेखन नवीन मराठी विकिस्रोत प्रकल्पात व्यवस्थीत स्थानांतरीत झाले आहे का हे तपासण्यात कृपया सहाय्य करावे.

आपला नम्र

Mahitgar 06:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

Feedback needed from LangCom[edit]

Dear member of the Language Committee, can you please try to answer some of the messages on Talk:Language committee (and its archive)? Many people are asking for updates and indications about their requests, but they are almost never getting an answer of any kind. Candalua (talk) 12:30, 11 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Humble Request to Hon'ble Members of Language Committee[edit]

  • As a Test Admin of Wp/khw Khowar Wikipedia Project I on behalf of the Khowar language communities of Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and Xinjiang(China) humbly request the all respectable members of the language comittee for early approval, creation of Khowar Wkipedia i.e. khw.wikipedia.org. The Khowar language is spoken in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan and Xingjiang(China). I have created a test page for Khowar language in incubator i.e. Wikipedia Khowar (Khowar Language Wikipedia), On behalf of the abovementioned Khowar speaking four countries for early approval and creation and normalization of Khowar Wikipedia edition. Khowar is one of spoken 14 languages in Chitral(Pakistan). It will be useful to Khowar internet users to report news from worldwide. I strongly feel it deserves its own Wikipedia. Being a test admin i have translated all most used messages into khowar. I have created test Khowar Wikipedia at Khowar Wikpedia.--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali 06:02, 6 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Tunisian Arabic[edit]

As shown in the new edition of Ethnologue, Tunisian Arabizi (One of the Latin Scripts used for Tunisian) has been recognized as a common script for Tunisian Arabic. As it is the most used script in Internet, we will use it in Wp/aeb. I have slightly modified this method so that it can be converted to Arabic Script. I have created a script converter for Tunisian Arabizi and I will implement it with explanations very soon. However, I need to test it before. So, you are invited to change the name of Tunisian Arabic in Latin Script into Tounsi and change the editing software of Tunisian Arabic Wikipedia into Left to Right format. Thank you in advance. --Csisc (talk) 16:22, 14 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

LPP/ko needs update[edit]

As changes applied for 12 days. -- 02:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply