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Watchlist issue on metawiki

Yes check.svg Resolved. Reported was able to replace a 0-value entry in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. — xaosflux Talk 00:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

As I reported at phab:T198961, my watchlist is not displaying any changes unless there is an explicit days= parameter in the URL (e.g. by pressing the "show" button. This is only happening on meta. user:AKlapper (WMF) notes there that they are unable to reproduce the problem - is anyone else experiencing this?

I'm also completely uncertain whether this is the right page to report this on, so please point me in the right direction if I'm wrong. Thryduulf (talk: meta · en.wp · wikidata) 21:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thryduulf: Does it display if you are in safemode? — xaosflux Talk 22:31, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
No, safemode makes no difference at all. Afaik the only custom thing I have on here is user:Thryduulf/monobook.js which hasn't been touched since 2007, whereas this issue is new within the last 1-2 weeks. Thryduulf (talk: meta · en.wp · wikidata) 23:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
@Thryduulf: OK more questions: what skin are you using? In preferences what are your settings for: (Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist); (Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent)? — xaosflux Talk 01:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
If you are using monobook skin then blank your monobook.js and try without it. Ruslik (talk) 07:30, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@Xaosflux and Ruslik0: I'm using monobook skin, but I tried with ?useskin=vector and changing to vector in my preferences neither made any difference; blanking my monobook.js made no difference. "group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" is off; "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent result" is off. Thryduulf (talk: meta · en.wp · wikidata) 08:12, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: fixing ping. Thryduulf (talk: meta · en.wp · wikidata) 08:13, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@Thryduulf: next two thing to try: (1) In Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist, change your "Days to show in watchlist" to a new value (try 10). (2) Go to Special:EditWatchlist/raw and see if you have any pages using very unusual characters, especially as the first character (for example &'s, ='&, "spaces"). — xaosflux Talk 13:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Changing the "Days to show in watchlist" to 10 has seemingly solved the issue - the previous value was 0. Quite how it got to be that I have no idea as before this troubleshooting I've not edited my preferences on meta since, afair, changing my signature circa December 2015. Thryduulf (talk: meta · en.wp · wikidata) 00:47, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Are there any javascript errors in the browser console? Ruslik (talk) 18:36, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment My monobook is behaving as expected. That is a very old way to pull in navigation popup, thought about just using the local gadget utilising ResourceLoader?  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
    • I haven't previously given it any thought - the popups still work as they always did so I've never had a reason to change. Thryduulf (talk: meta · en.wp · wikidata) 00:47, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

See also Phab:T199049 to try and prevent this being an issue in future. Thryduulf (talk: meta · en.wp · wikidata) 11:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Move page

Can someone move Grants talk:ХУЙ ФУФЛО back to Grants talk:IdeaLab/Identify and quantify toxic users. This seems to be an erroneous move. Note also the activity on Grants:IdeaLab/Identify and quantify toxic users. — Jeblad 15:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

The page Grants:Grants:IdeaLab/Identify and quantify toxic users has been given a repeated namespace… — Jeblad 15:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Already corrected. ;) — Jeblad 15:32, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for reporting here-- this looked like an attempt to vandalize a specific idea or disrupt the campaign generally. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 15:33, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

viewuseroptions access

Hi all, trying to brainstorm if there would be support/opposition for a new feature before shopping it around. Feature would be a new permission/grant for viewuseroptions that would allow the viewing of another user's preferences (but not their (privateinfo) (e.g. email address, real name) or watchlist data. Perhaps restrict this to sysops or some other group. A recurring theme is that it is hard to help people that are having a site issue and you have to go back and forth or try to get them in to irc to even get basic things answered. Thanks for your feedback! — xaosflux Talk 01:22, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

The EditUser interface allows for viewing and editing another user's preferences, so the basic functionality exists already (not used here). But yes, I think there's a case for it. – Ajraddatz (talk) 08:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I saw there were a few extensions, but none look strongly maintained - which could also be a reason to move this to core functionality. — xaosflux Talk 13:34, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
I could see that being beneficial. Killiondude (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
For anyone following this, a larger discussion is going on at w:en:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#viewuseroptions_access that helped identify some potential privacy issues but is re-framing this as a way to enable a user to export and share their settings instead that will still be useful. — xaosflux Talk 14:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Note, due to the discussion above, I'm not asking for this to go forward, if we develop a usable self-service gadget over on enwiki porting it may be useful. Any feedback on that other discussion is still welcome! — xaosflux Talk 20:27, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: per my note above, will continue developing a user-side "export" as opposed to a "query" model. — xaosflux Talk 17:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Enable template styles on Meta

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Consensus achieved after several days. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

TemplateStyles has or is in the process of being deployed to a number of small and large wiki's including fr.wiki, de.wiki and en.wiki. It would really useful to have this enabled here. In favour? Seddon (talk) 11:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Support no issue for me here is as good as any other place to run functional reality tests.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Sure, and would be a good place to see any interaction with the translation space. — xaosflux Talk 17:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support This looks quite useful. PiRSquared17 (talk) 04:03, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol strong support vote.svg Strong support per above. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support. I am not sure how many practical applications there is for this on Meta, we don't have the most complex templates style wise, but I do not see why not. --Base (talk) 13:48, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, should be enabled globally also. Stryn (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Deployed. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Enabling responsive references on Meta

Hello. It looks like Meta doesn't have the nice, responsive, multi-column reference lists available on other Wikimedia wikis. Does anyone see a reason not to enable them here? This would mean enabling the $wgCiteResponsiveReferences option for this wiki. Guillaume (WMF) (talk) 20:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Sounds fine. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Do we have an example of what this does? A screenshot? Thanks! —MarcoAurelio (talk) 17:54, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
@MarcoAurelio: you can see it in action on many other wikis, for example at w:en:Pony#References. Compare the two columns for references (assuming a screen size large enough) compared to the single column for references on this wiki e.g. at Research:Codex/Roles of contributors#References. Guillaume (WMF) (talk) 03:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, sounds good to me as well. Support. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:48, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
I've opened a ticket at phab:T200707. Guillaume (WMF) (talk) 17:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Deployed. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)