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July 2023 meeting[edit]

Note: 2nd session has interpretation in (Arabic) (Spanish) (French)

We are currently planning for the next meeting on Sunday, 2023-07-16.


Note: 2nd session has interpretation in (Arabic) (Spanish) (French)

We are currently planning for the next meeting on Sunday, 2023-07-16. Agenda

  • Affiliate Strategic Updates
    • Wikimedia Foundation Affiliates Strategy
    • Wikimedia Foundation elections committee
    • Wikimania Singapore
    • U4C Building Committee
    • Future of SWAN
  • Movement Charter - Global Council
    • Movement Charter/Content new sections
    • Movement Charter/Community Consultation
    • Movement Charter/Content/Global Council (July 12 release) and Hubs (July 26)
    • Ambassadors new program
  • AI Happy Hour / Doom Hour
    • The good
    • The bad
    • The ugly

July times and links

The two times are

  • 02:00 UTC, 2023-07-16 (Asia-Pacific friendly time)
    • Zoom for 1st session
  • 16:00 UTC, 2023-07-16 (Europe-Africa-Americas friendly time)
    • Zoom for 2nd session

2022-07-16 02:00 UTC participants[edit]

Anyone with an interest in Wikimedia affiliates is welcome to join, even if they are not officially a liaison or representative

Saturday night for Americas; Sunday morning or afternoon for Asia/ESEAP

  1. Pharos (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Suyash Dwivedi (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kunokuno (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GhoziSeptiandri (talk) 02:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. --JVargas (WMF) (talk)
  6. Risker (talk) 01:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023-07-16 16:00 UTC participants[edit]

Anyone with an interest in Wikimedia affiliates is welcome to join, even if they are not officially a liaison or representative

Sunday evening for Europe & Africa; Sunday morning or afternoon for Americas

2nd session has interpretation in (Arabic) (Spanish) (French)

  1. NANöR (talk) 05:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pharos (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tochiprecious (talk) 17:46, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Ciell (talk) 18:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oby Ezeilo (talk) 11:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Zblace (talk) 06:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Shabab Mustafa (talk) 08:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Chinmayee Mishra (talk) 09:14, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  9. DerHexer (Talk) 10:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC) Not sure whether I can attend.[reply]
  10. daSupremo 11:34, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Wilson (talk)
  12. Ogalihillary (talk)
  13. Rosiestep (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  14. TaronjaSatsuma (talk) 13:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  15. MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Suyash Dwivedi (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  17. --MARKELLOSLeave me a message 16:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  18. --JVargas (WMF) (talk) 22:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Anupamdutta73 (talk) 03:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Geugeor (talk) 07:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Olugold (talk) 06:48, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Macocobovi (talk) 06:54, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Laurentius (talk) 07:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Alice Wiegand (talk) 08:57, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Ammarpad (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  26. -Nicole Ebber (WMDE) (talk) 10:16, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Kippelboy (talk) 14:34, 13 July 2023 (UTC) (Amical Wikimedia)[reply]
  28. Sumasa (talk) 15:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  29. Albertoblaq (talk) 16:44, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Albertoblaq[reply]
  30. Accuratecy051 (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  31. Nitesh Gill (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  32. Nehaoua (talk) 21:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Manouka (talk) 08:55, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  34. AAkhmedova (WMF) (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  35. RukayatAjeigbe (talk) 11:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  36. Reify-tech (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  37. RCHECC0 (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  38. Great11 (talk) 08:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  39. Envel Le Hir (talk) 09:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  40. Frhdkazan (talk) 10:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  41. Onwuka Glory (talk) 13:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  42. Joalpe (talk) 13:57, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  43. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  44. Geert Van Pamel (WMBE) (talk) 16:00, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  45. Mutumanikam (talk) 16:33, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  46. SJ talk  19:54, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Attendees Sign your name if you wish 32 participants at start of meetup

  1. Richard user:Pharos, host, from New York and United States
  2. João, User:Joalpe, Wiki Movimento Brasil
  3. Geert Van Pamel, WMBE
  4. Vladimir Medeyko, Russia
  5. NANöR
  6. Chinmayee, India
  7. Sandra Rientjes
  8. Gergő Tisza
  10. ARISTIDE KOUAME (Wikimedia Côte d'Ivoire)
  11. Alan Wu (Reify-tech)
  12. Ogalihillary
  13. Emmanuelle Kakou, Côte d'Ivoire
  14. Rosie (WMF Trustee)
  15. Ahmed Houamel ( Wikimedia Tamazight and Wikimedia Algeria)
  16. Ruby D-Brown(OFWA)
  17. Nitesh, User:Nitesh Gill, PunjabI Wikimedian (India)
  18. Goodness, User: Olugold
  19. Roselyne, User: Uzoejinwa
  20. Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry, primary note taker for this meeting
  21. Laurentius
  22. Z. Blace
  23. Envel Le Hir, WMFR


  1. Today we share updates for Movement Affiliates
    1. Global Council, and in particular the Movement Charter
    2. We talk about the Wikimedia Movement Charter drafting process
    3. Artificial Intelligence chats!
    4. Thanks for everyone who volunteered as co-hosts. If anyone in the call needs something, message the co-hosts
      1. Tochi
      2. Nanour
    5. translation
      1. there are options for live translation in the zoom interface
      2. if anyone has requests for additional language support, then please request for future meetups
  2. Affiliate Strategic Updates
    1. Wikimedia Foundation Affiliates Strategy: Interviews and surveys ongoing/completed. A first report is being drafted and will be shared with the community after being discussed in the WMF BoT
    2. The Wikimedia Elections for Wikimedia Foundation Trustees has a newly confirmed election committee
      1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee
      2. The election is forthcoming. Watch the committee page for updates and post to that page with questions.
  3. Wikimania Singapore is upcoming!
    1. from Rosie, board member and member of Wikimania committee
    2. today is the last day for in-person registration.
    3. Please register if you are planning to come.
    4. Virtual attendees may come also
    5. about the conference
      1. volunteers have prepared this conference for the past 5 months
      2. there were 600 submissions
      3. the program will be posted soon, plan your schedule
      4. if anyone is bringing medication, remember to check if you need doctor approval to travel to Singapore
    6. There will be a Wikipedia fashion show please bring wiki fashion items
  4. Affiliations Committee updates
    1. when is the next AFFCom meeting?
    2. ?? (question was asked and acknowledged; no one replied)
  5. Universal Code of Conduct updates
    1. U4C Building Committee is established, but not known if there is any progress?
    2. Question from community: Dutch Language Wikipedia ArbCom is referring to UCoC in their communications - is anyone aware of ##other community groups using it?
    3. Wikimedia LGBT+ is trying to use it
    4. the Russian language user group has a standing request to apply it to offensive language
    5. people who participate in Arabic language development are unaware of any implementation
    6. it was implemented for WikiConference India 2023
    7. we applied the code for our Wiki Maghreb Environment event, we created a security organizing group
  6. Future of SWAN
    1. Innovations!
    2. Today with interpretation in French, Arabic and Spanish
    3. More people to join, prepare, present?
  7. MCDC - Global Council Draft Discussion
    1. multiple areas of the charter are in development
      1. decisions
      2. roles
      3. glossary
      4. global council
      5. hubs
  8. there will be a launch party in 2 weeks, 30 July
    1. in September to November there will be many thematic and regional events, which is a good time to promote the charter
  9. Georges, the volunteer drafter for the Wikimedia Movement charter global council section speaks:
    1. thanks to the consultants which the Wikimedia Foundation provided to assist
    2. this is a proposal open for discussion and community comment
    3. (slides shared)
    4. Movement Strategy recommendation 4 is that we should "ensure equity in decision making"
    5. The Global Council is responsible for implementing movement strategy
    6. it promises to support community members in equitable decision making on all matters of global movement importance
    7. goals
      1. improve accountability and transparency
      2. simplify access to Wikimedia Movement resources for individuals and communities
      3. to create standards and objectives for community committees across the Wikimedia Movement
    8. community feedback is essential and welcome!
    9. See Question 7-8-9-10 - Membership and limitation
    10. With an intention to ensure fair representation, power balance, and promote diversity and inclusivity within the Global Council, we seek your inputs on the following:
      1. Should there be some imposed limits to the membership in terms of movement representation?
      2. Should there be a regional cap, e.g. max 3 persons from a single region? If yes, please specify the condition.
      3. Should there be a home project or entity cap, e.g. max 2 persons from a single wiki project or affiliate? If yes, please specify the condition.
      4. Should there be a specific cap for large language communities, projects, or affiliates, e.g. not more than 5 seats from between the 5 largest projects? If yes, please specify the condition.
      5. Should there be any other limits for Global Council membership? If yes, please specify the condition.
    11. question: how have the drafters considered submitted comments? My community has made comments but not received feedback or acknowledgement yet. We are a minority group. What process is there to get consensus between top and privileged groups and smaller groups who comment, but do not have access to options for follow up?
      1. answer from Georges: the Movement Charter has a global scope. We want to draft a document to cover all of the Movement. We do not want to say that a group fro Cameroon, for example, could be excluded. Nevertheless, what we have said is that we want entities in the Movement to be represented. The work that we have undertaken is taking into account these questions. We ask ourselves the question of how to take comments into account. How can we ensure representation of minority entities. Perhaps Ciell can continue answering.
      2. Ciell: we considered how big the global council should be - 10, 50, 100? The good thing about 100 people is that more people with different backgrounds could serve, but the bad thing is that larger organizations are more difficult to manage and require more time for decisions.
    12. comment: I am comfortable with the idea of setting minimal participation from regions and minorities, but also capping the total size. I also think that membership should have minimal activity requirements checked to join and for sustained membership. I also wish that everyone had some opportunity to contribute, just like with Wikipedia.
    13. comment: Hey, when will the background materials and legal assessments be shared with everyone, so we better understand what lead to what you wrote and can benefit from that work too?
    14. comment: there is a wish that affiliates can discuss issues among themselves and report their opinions to decision makers at the top. This process is not yet designed.
    15. comment: We have a lot of challenges and we do not have planned solutions. Community members may wish for the Wikimedia Foundation to support them with expert consultants.
    16. comment: If you'd like to think about the questions more before helping us with your answers, please share them on the talkpage later: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council
  10. comment: Drafters were selective as representative sample of diverse people, so I do not understand why awaiting so much for outside inputs before doing initial drafts *(at least some things should be narrowed down in initial drafts)...
  11. comment: There are a lot of questions about resource sharing. These are difficult to answer without having more decisions about fundamental governance. We do not know roles for entities, and who decides things. If we knew what responsibilities the Global Council would have, then we would know what resources the group would need. It would be helpful to see a matrix of roles and responsibilities
    1. Comment: (6 people commented in favor of this matrix proposal)
      1. official response: it is not yet possible to make such a matrix. The first draft will also not talk about funds or funds dissemination. These are such difficult topics to understand. The first draft will give responisibilities to the Global Council, and to Hubs, and to the Wikimedia Foundation, but not talk about money. The hubs section should be out in two weeks and the Roles and Responsibility section hopefully before Wikimania. Those drafts go through Wikimedia Foundation and external legal review, then they get posted to Meta. When those are out, then it will be time to discuss money.
        1. comment: I’m sorry to be blunt, but 2 years on the topic and we keep the money topic under a lid?
    2. question: What is that legal review?
    3. comment: Legal expertise and language articulation should have been among drafters and their supporters, not as extra step from outside IMHO
    4. comment: if everything goes through WMF's legal department, I am concerned about how there will be changes in the power dynamics? Is there any external legal support that is backing them up?
    5. Georges: We need to take notes when someone has a comment like this. We need to see our flaws, and question when we have a status quo which needs to be changed. When it comes to responsibilities we have listed some things which the Global Council should do. For example, the Global Council should recognize entities. We have worked in a defined scope and focused on the order of the drafting plan without changes.
    6. Richard / Pharos: We invite people at this meeting and everyone to post their responses to the Global Council questions on Meta.
  12. comment: people are likely the most interested in power (including finnancial) distribution
    1. question: This is my first time hearing that funding is not included in the first draft, and I find this shocking. When and where can I find more information about the state of drafting?
      1. response: There are two questions on funds dissemination in this draft.
  13. comment. Should the Global Council have any funding oversight over the Wikimedia Foundation's budget?
    1. ~ this kind of links back to the question if the WMF should just be a normal affiliate like everyone else or not. so answering this question without roles and responsibilities is... difficile
    2. ~ The people who have the money have the power. Money and power go together.
  14. comment: Should Wikimedia Foundation raise money in the US? Should WIKIMEDIA USA be created? Should brand ownerships be transferred to the Global Council?
  15. comment: The second question seems so easy! (What should be the Global Council’s role with regards to the allocation of funds within the WMF?) The CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation should allocate money within the organization. Why would anyone think otherwise?
  16. comment: why are subcommittees relevant to the movement charter? Why not let the Global Council decide that?
    1. This is because the FC will likely have a lot of work on its own, so may not be able to make decisions about individual affiliates funding, etc.
      1. yes but writing it into the Movement Charter makes it really difficult to adapt to the realities :-) so don't write stuff into the Movement Charter that can change on a dime. Your job is to write a document that opens up possibilities and opportunities, not prescribe a strict path everyone has to follow

End of 90 minute discussion. Now anyone can stay longer but the meeting is officially over.

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