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No longer working links (was "Ourpla")

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Ourpla

No longer working TheDJ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

 On hold: see below. Nemo 14:32, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Empty, Support Support deletion. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
This one's is not on the map? Thehelpfulone 13:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe he meant AbbeNormal [1]? --Nemo 21:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Why do we have a personal blog on the map? PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Only replying after two years for the record - before Wikipedia, the wiki network was just a few small communities and the personal sites of people like you and me. — Scott talk 15:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

FinalEmpire

No longer available TheDJ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

(Note, checked up to freefeel wiki) TheDJ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

All these should be first delinked (transformed in external links) on all wikis and only then removed, to avoid loss of information, with the possible exception of spam sites. Thanks for your report, Nemo 17:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I've added a list of links for each of the wikis above at tools:~nemobis/tmp/iwm/, please check it to confirm requests. --Nemo 21:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Lovely work Nemo. I concur with your approach and actions. I would also like to see some ability for your toy tool to be more widely available, even if it just did a count or had a count done a regular basis, and there was a means to request a full report in a timely fashion. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Empty, Support Support deletion. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
My skill with SQL queries is so close to zero that I asked Liangent to produce the script I used. It's linked from the top of the section, so any Toolserver user can run it and of course I can add or update lists immediately when requested on my talk. So far they don't seem to have been used. --Nemo 06:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Oh well, it was worth the try. :-) Maybe we can put a request at Tech to MZM — billinghurst sDrewth 08:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
An API query http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=iwbacklinks&iwblprefix=wikitravel&iwbllimit=500 was mentioned on voy:project:Travellers' Pub but it seems to check only one wiki at a time. A toolserver SQL string is of no use to anyone other than an actual toolserver user (which seems to be just a limited few around here). Certainly the global list of wikitravel: spam is invaluable and something wikivoyageurs will want to know if all those links need to be updated, but it would seem we need the same info for every prefix deletion request here if the sole criterion for deletion is to be use or lack of use on individual wikis. K7L (talk) 16:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
The list has already been provided above, but 1) no it's not the sole criterion but surely a requirement; 2) it's not for w:WP:BEANS so if people start pseudo-vandalising wikis I won't produce such lists any longer; 3) wikivoyagers have surely better things to do than removing links to their own wiki (see #Requests for updates). --Nemo 00:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
If it's "not the sole criterion but surely a requirement" for any removal request, that's going to affect every request... not just links to one particular wiki (which I won't discuss right now as it's currently in TfD on en: and Pages à Supprimer on fr:). There needs to be some sort of web interface to this toolserver script so anyone can run this query for any prefix before opening a discussion here - much like any WP:AFC n00b simply clicks on "webreflinks" or "citation bot" from an en.wp template to watch those tools do some useful task. K7L (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Broken URLs


Some were moved to #guildwarswiki and updated. I made lists of usages for the prefixes above available at tools:~nemobis/tmp/iwm/, in case someone wants to help me check them. --Nemo 17:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
If I understand the format of your files correctly, none of the ones I have looked at are in use at all (except for a few on testwiki). Surely you could just sort each file and compare them automatically, to see which ones have any usages? This, that and the other (talk) 10:22, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I could, but I'm not good at that sort of things and instead I propose that someone improves the script. :) For now I paste here the lines count; in theory all the unused ones should have as many lines as the wikis are, but numbers don't match that well so there may be some mistake.
      733 allwiki
      732 AllWiki
      732 BibleWiki
      732 CorpKnowPedia
      732 DejaNews
      732 FinalEmpire
      732 GotAMac
      732 GreatLakesWiki
      732 JamesHoward
      732 JiniWiki
      732 KerimWiki
      732 Kpopwiki
      732 LugKR
      732 OpenFacts
      732 OSI reference model
      732 PerlNet
      732 SMikipedia
      732 SVGWiki
      732 Swingwiki
      732 Tavi
      732 TESOLTaiwan
      732 TibiaWiki
      732 Turismo
      732 Vinismo
      732 Webisodes
      732 Wikinvest
      732 Wikipaltz
      732 Wikischool
      732 WikiWeet
      734 world66
--Nemo 21:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
It's because some of your files haven't been updated since Sept last year, and many new wikis have been opened since then! Can I suggest you re-generate all the older files? (ps. "echei" seems to have one meaningful link here on meta.) This, that and the other (talk) 09:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Nah, they only needed some cleanup but I was too lazy to do it properly. Now it should be correct. So they're all unused? I'm not sure I'm doing the queries correctly, mind you. --Nemo 09:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
@Nemo bis: wikinvest:concept/U.S._Economic_Cycles - this is a wiki (albeit one filled with ads and comments). See the "edit" link? See also wikinvest:special/Version. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
@Nemo bis and PiRSquared17: The following from this list are now unused, except for trivial usages (i.e. testwiki:Interwiki-table, es:Ayuda:Cómo se edita una página and similar places): allwiki, corpknowpedia, dejanews, finalempire, gotamac, jiniwiki, kerimwiki, lugkr, perlnet, svgwiki, tesoltaiwan, webisodes. Some have only one non-trivial use: wikipaltz is used on n:Talk:Hundreds_of_SUNY_New_Paltz_students_demonstrate,_storm_administration_building only. Among the others, wikinvest in particular is still heavily used. If you want the full data, I will happily provide it, or you can generate it yourself (see User:This, that and the other/interwiki). This, that and the other (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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@Nemo bis, This, that and the other, Billinghurst, Thehelpfulone, and TheDJ:: any updates on this one or its sections? — M 11:47, 06 December 2014 (UTC)

I would support the removal of the interwiki links I listed in my comment of 27 December 2013. Although the data returned by the interwiki table and PiRSquared's wmflabs tool is incomplete (it lacks interwiki links that were added to pages that haven't been touched [edited or null edited] within the last ~6 years IIRC), I think it is quite safe to remove those prefixes from the map. I will look again at the others tomorrow. This, that and the other (talk) 11:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Dead is dead, and I would prefer that they are red links, rather than blue links, as that is more likely to promote action.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposing to close this discussion and remove all the indicated urls from the interwiki. Need to step through an RFC to deal with this more efficiently, that it takes a year to delete dead urls is ridiculous.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Closed Closed Doneremoved the remainder after cleaning up all main ns and project ns links. Special:Diff/16219722/prev  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Crazyhacks

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No contentJustin (koavf)TCM 08:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

It's in use at en:User talk:Hans Adler/Archive 3 and en:MediaWiki talk:Common.js/Archive 16, but as best as I can tell, that was simply to demonstrate interwiki linking. All the same, I'm a little hesitant to remove this, as the content is all available in the Wayback Machine, and the Crazy Hacks wiki was mainly active before 2006, when the interwiki table wasn't populated. This, that and the other (talk) 09:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Done I don't see that it is our job to maintain depracted links on out of the way and irrelevant pages.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

IRC and Freenode

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

All modern IRC clients have SSL/TLS support; since Freenode has as well, I hereby suggest changing the "Freenode" and "IRC" entries of the Interwiki map from "irc://irc.freenode.net/$1" to "ircs://chat.freenode.net:6697/$1". --Pred (talk) 14:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

While all modern clients have the support, do all clients have the support?  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
No; without being too sure about it, I would imagine that security was as much as an afterthought for IRC as for any other protocols, and that as a result, no clients that came out in the meantime would have (RFC compliant) support. Wikipedia has an overview of protocol support of current versions of several clients. --Pred (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I am not inclined to make this change without support from the community.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:39, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
I'm not even sure « all modern clients have the support ». --Dereckson (talk) 21:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done unsure that we universality to make this change.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Also nothing that we have irc for freenode via toollabs: which may be worth exploring. There is also the freenode client.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

WMVE

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Please, update the interwiki for Wikimedia Venezuela. We now have ssl. Thanks, --White Master (es) 02:36, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

DoneDone. Matiia (talk) 02:42, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

SeattleWiki

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Seattle Wiki is now hosted at Wikia. The old domain name seattlewiki.org has been hijacked. /PatrikN (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Done SeattleWiki -> http://seattle.wikia.com/wiki/$1 14:20, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

SourceForge

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:32, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

It pains my heart, however the former cornerstone of open source movement is now owned by @$^%#$^s who are using it for distributing malware[3][4], etc. In this situation, I believe we should not encourage linking to SF anymore. It has already been removed from MediaWiki's default interwikis. The number of affected links on WMF projects appears minimal. Max Semenik (talk) 23:07, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

At the moment Google says "Some pages on sourceforge.net are not safe to visit right now" [5] I'm a user of the site and had no issues so far, and they did something about their weird strategy to keep projects moving away against their will (i.e., I'd hope they stopped that abuse). I'm also a user of NIRsoft, which had a similar "not safe to visit" issue, which was unjustified (some password recovery tools tagged as PUP, potentially unwanted programs), so what is the current state for SF, are they as bad as download.com?
JFTR, an enwiki user radically reverted references for the criminal activities of download.com, and no admin there considered that as strange behaviour. I was just too lazy for ArbCom + WMF legal :-( Be..anyone (talk) 20:54, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
@MaxSem: is still the situation? If that is the case, it seems that the removal of the links would be the priority, prior to/adjunct with the removal of the interwiki map. No good having hundreds of ugly links.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:08, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done at this time. No answers to questions. There are 300+ links at wikis, and these need to be address prior to doing anything. It may be worth a mediawiki message to village pumps.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:33, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikinvest

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:32, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Mentioned briefly above.

The website still works, and even gets automatic updates on things like stock prices. But it was closed to new text in 2012 and a different style of website was opened by the company in 2012 at SigFig.com. From my reading of a few company's articles, e.g. Apple, it doesn't look like the text has been updated since 2010 (a geological era in financial market terms). See en:Wikinvest. So essentially anything worth linking to in the old format is now useless.

I doubt the old style website - a Wiki - will come back. The wiki format seems particularly unsuited for financial market information because of the importance and possible damage of rumors and unverified info in these markets. Pretty hard to police this on a wiki

Smallbones (talk) 05:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done at this time. There are 700+ links, most at enWP. Please get those links fix, request to w:WP:Bot requests is my advice, and then maybe this can be reopened. It is not our job to make those decisions for those wikis on this level of conversation.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

SeattleWireless

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Non-existing (error 404). According to Wikipedia: "As of 2016, Seattle Wireless is no longer operational." /PatrikN (talk) 04:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Removed Removed and removed links except for user page links.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:28, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Doom Wiki

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link: now hosted at http://doomwiki.org/wiki/$1 prefix:doomwiki, doom and doom_wiki (currently used by Wikia)

Doom Wiki, is a reliable source that many Doom fans use. The Wikia version of it is no longer updated and is now abandoned and the admins had separated it. Please update it.

Not done Please sign work, and we are going to need a better explanation of the transition and the links prior to updating the link.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

CreaturesWiki

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:16, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

The Creatures Wiki has separated from Wikia and is now hosted at //creatures.wiki/$1 - please update the CreaturesWiki: interwiki. GreenReaper (talk) 20:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

  • The old URL (wikia:creatures) still seems to work and has lots of pages, although wikia:creatures:Special:Recentchanges has a lot fewer entries than the other one. What is usually done with interwiki prefixes in cases like this? --Stefan2 (talk) 21:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, creatures.wiki has the support of the community, including both of its founders and all its administrators, and all existing links should work at the new URL. creatures.wikia.com has ads, no editors, is stuck on http: and an old version of MediaWiki, and is now called the Creatures Wikia. As you say, wikia:creatures remains available as a link if people want to link to it. GreenReaper (talk) 22:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment Comment Is CreaturesWiki a direct replica linkwise? (well at least at the time of separation). What is the existing state of the wikia version, and its future?  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. The XML import from August 15 contains a complete edit history. Current versions of images were uploaded. The recent changes for creatures.wiki and creatures.wikia.com speak to the relative editor population. Wikia has control over the wikis it runs and tends to keep them up regardless for the sake of traffic, but the Creatures community is relatively small and close-knit - I don't see many people editing there with the main sites announcing the move and changing their links. (The domain creatureswiki.net was created in advance after a prior dispute, and now redirects to creatures.wiki.) GreenReaper (talk) 01:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I am okay with making the change, though will leave it for another day or so for other comment.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I hate to flip-flop, but in the last 24 hours I've found that the new host has a personal animosity against me, and is using their status to refuse to restore my sysop/bureaucrat rights, without community support. They also kicked me off a chat service used for related discussions (which is moving as a result). They own the creatures.wiki domain, and this makes me hesitant to continue to support the change I proposed. Moving away from Wikia is beneficial, but if the new system administrator is willing to abuse their power, we may have to move again very soon. I still hope this issue can be resolved amicably, and if so I will report back here. GreenReaper (talk) 19:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
We don’t expect to move again. While GreenReaper may be understandably disappointed with the actions he described, there has been appropriate community consensus for all described actions taken by the host. We still endorse the original request (//creatures.wiki/$1). Sgeo (talk) 06:30, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Progress report? Hi. Is this still required? Best regards. -- M\A 09:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, we still desire this change, thank you. Although, could it be made to point to HTTPS? Thank you. Sgeo (talk) 22:10, 25 January 2015 (UTC)




link: //creatures.wiki/$1 prefix:CreaturesWiki:

Oppose Oppose, delete the old entry as redundant for wikia:creatures:Special:Recentchanges per nom, and close this request as withdrawn by nominator. There are zero links to creatures.wiki in the top 40, and only 28 links (17 en + 3 de + 3 fr + 5 singletons) in the top 40 somehow arrive on creatures.wikia.com.

Maybe we are talking about 20 Interwiki links outnumbering the two communities by a broad margin. Disclaimer, I haven't checked that {{LinkSummary}} supports TLD .wiki. –Be..anyone (talk) 01:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Removed Removed only two main ns links, remainder user pages and the link. No value in retaining. Not done for creation as recommended.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

All Wikimedia sites to HTTPS

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:16, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

In [6] most Wikimedia sites were changed from protocol-relative to HTTPS links. However, some were missed out for some reason, which has led to another breakage of the transwiki import system, this time on German Wikisource.

Please change all Wikimedia-operated sites, including oldwikisource, to have an explicit https:// protocol at the front of the URL. This, that and the other (talk) 11:05, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@This, that and the other: Done though please double check, and then we can ask for an update; did not do wikimedia.de  — billinghurst sDrewth

Workflow

:This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:57, 12 January 2017 (UTC) 

This Interwiki map page is the authoritative source for the wmf-config/interwiki.php file.

We strive to maintain parity between repository code and code deployed in the server. That means, wmf-config/interwiki.php will be live a few minutes after having been update.

To help to be coherent with this repo code/deployed code equivalence, I'd strongly support any systematic configuration change to reflect any modification to this map.

You can either do it yourself (but it could be tricky to configure on your own machine, as the script hardcodes some Wikimedia servers paths) or open a task on Phabricator. --Dereckson (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@Dereckson: I was going to convert this to a permanent part of this page, I am just not certain that I fully understand your comment I'd strongly support any systematic configuration change to reflect any modification to this map. To whom is the statement targeted? I am presume coders outside of WMF who are doing their own interwiki, I am just wishing to confirm.  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:28, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
On Wikimedia operations/mediawiki-config repository, ie request an update on Phabricator or #wikimedia-tech every time the map is updated instead of "every 6 weeks". And by strongly support I mean I'm totally okay to regenerate and deploy it during any SWAT window I'm available. --Dereckson (talk) 06:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Remove vd:

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I propose to remove vd: as it's causing that the entire Catalan Wikiquote which uses VD as shortcut and namespace aliases breaks. PiRs' tool above says no uses, but it's a bit broken so I'd not fully trust its results. —MarcoAurelio 19:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

It was recently added and most IW linking I see is not intended to be. This interwiki link is conflicting several instances. —MarcoAurelio 10:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
@Astirmays and Matiia: for comment.

Is this something that just needs to be altered to another shortcut, or complete removal?  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:14, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

With vikidia: already in the map I don't see a reason why we need a second IWL. —MarcoAurelio 14:55, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm okay with its removal. Matiia (talk) 17:21, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, we are beginning to use it to Vikidia, so I'm not for its removal but... Astirmays (talk) 21:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Removed RemovedMarcoAurelio 14:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Technical social suggestion to revert the removal.I'd suggest to put it back to allow for more discussion, and as the interwiki map can't be updated before January (code freeze).
We generally observe a principle of parity before code in repo / code deployed in server, and this table is the source of wmf-config/interwiki.php, and as such, should reflect the current server content.
Notifications of persons who left a comment on Phabricator.' @Linedwell and Unapersona: You participated to the Phabricator discussions, and as such perhaps have an opinion.
My opinion. On Phabricator, in the tasks where Marco asked the same thing, the reception was mixed.
I understand the VD: namespace was an issue, but we ran a script to removed these shorcuts.
So I don't think we should lost an interwiki only because ONE wiki, ca.wikiquote, uses *12* shorcuts (with a potential for more in ca. projects). The vd: prefix has potential to link to thousands of pages if a wiki wishes to offer links to these articles, not only a few pages.
Furthermore, these VD: aliases are so rarely used on ca.wikiquote the vd: interwiki has been added by Matiia the 30 April 2016‎, deployed in production May 3, but VD: alias issue was only reported recently.
The 6 months delay needed to find the issue tends to support the fact VD: aliases aren't a vital emergency for ca.wikiquote.
--Dereckson (talk) 20:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
As I am notified, I give my opinion here too. I can't understand how a local alias (used for only 12 pages on a single project) can be a valid reason to remove an interwiki link from ALL the interwiki maps. Linedwell (talk) 20:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Sure, let's disrupt a project that created their shortcuts in good faith as did every other ones just because they're small. Is that hard to use vikidia: or, say, vkd: instead? —MarcoAurelio 21:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
I disagree. Interwikis are to help projects, not to disrupt them, and vd: is certainly disrupting ca.wikiquote, a WMF project, in favor of an external website which can use a whole variety of other interwiki codes. Besides, it's not also disrupting ca.wikiquote, but several other places. —MarcoAurelio 20:49, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
I totally agree with MarcoAurelio. Vikidia and Catalan Wikiquote are very different projects, which have a very different objective. Vikidia interwikis are not used on Catalan Wikiquote at all, and I think I can safely say that they will never be used (and if we needed it we could use vikidia:, which is already enabled). I can count around 15 shortcuts which have been renamed to VQ: and a lot more that have been renamed to VD-. I think that the interwiki vd: should be removed at least on Catalan Wikiquote and other wikis with similar problems; I don't understand why are you keeping an interwiki to an unrelated wiki when it has a clear conflict with an official WMF project. For the record, the issue was already discussed on Catalan Wikipedia four months ago, and the active Wikiquote community of that time decided to rename the shortcut instead of filing a task on Phabricator because a user told them that it would probably be dismissed (as you can see in the linked thread). --Unapersona (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Comment Comment is this matter considered resolved?  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

closing as done. To note that before the interwiki was removed that the cleanup should have been undertaken to update the interwikis. (now done by me, or notified to communities). To also note that a number of communities used the vd: shortcut, so its removal was a broader requirement than initially noticed, and confirms that it while it is inconvenient, it was a needed change.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Comment Comment to make the overt statement that for Vikidia that the interwiki vikidia: is functional, it is only the loss of the shorter alternative. Just in case that was not obvious from the discussion.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:32, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

GitHub

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:44, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


GitHub is a site for hosting free, open-source software (FOSS). It's often linked on MediaWiki.org, and Wikimedia hosts their mirrors on GitHub as well. SamanthaNguyen (talk) 06:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

  1. Firstly we already have git: for local use that ends up at phabricator. Might that be confused and seen as problematic?
  2. @MER-C: do you have an opinion on this request? Noting that we seem to have about 530 links to github.com from the major wikis.
 — billinghurst sDrewth 09:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose Doesn't seem to have any particular benefit in my opinion (if anything, it might be more confusing). It's an external site without any url pattern for a common entity or page of sorts (just the domain root), which means it avoids no shortcut. It's also hardly shorter for the common case of addressing a repository (github.com/user/repo-name). Due to there being many different types of content and action entry pionts on that site, creating an interwiki link for it would cause VisualEditor/Parsoid to enforce it for all urls to that domain. Which is bad for maintenance because it gives the illusion of stability ("if the site changes, we'll update the interwiki map"), without actual stability (all urls would break regardless because it still requires providing the full url to the page in question, except without the domain name). I don't think this is an appropiate case for the interwiki map. Krinkle (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Krinkle. Valuable contribution.  Declined  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

UTRS

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https://utrs.wmflabs.org/appeal.php?id={{{1}}}

Similar to otrs: and ticket:. See also phab:T154858. DatGuy (talk) 22:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

What is the purpose of requiring links? What level of usage, and has the hierarchy of UTRS expressed an opinion and desire for the linking. It is not directly analagous with OTRS/ticket as these are permanent points to permissions and discussions that are required to be referenced forever after by all wikis. UTRS is a one wiki tool.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
There are 800 transclusions of the {{utrs}} template. See here for 'confirmation.' DatGuy (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Adding this as w:en:special:permalink/758899587 for utrs admin confirmation.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
UTRS isn't just used on one wiki, ptwiki also is either using or looking to use it, and from what I know there are plans to extend use beyond that. I see no downside to a network-wide interwiki link. – Ajraddatz (talk) 21:57, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
updated list, and will take effect when interwiki next updated. Note that utrs: and UTRS: have both been added (precautionary principle!)  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:09, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
@DatGuy: Done; tested and functioning — once someone steps through the OAuth process, less pretty first time in.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Disinfopedia

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:45, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Please swap http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=$1 for http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/$1 as the latter is now their canonical URL. Spotted in unrelated work I was doing in cleaning up old wiki.phtml references. Thx. ^demon (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

updated on page  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:41, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! As a bonus, I've gone ahead and sync'd this live in production. Yay teamwork :D ^demon (talk) 21:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
@^demon: I don't see any update to the interwiki in the logs. Did this go through a secret backdoor? Or did you use different keywords to normal?  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Not to worry, terminology different. I will amend my search bit below.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:34, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

UTRS/utrs

This section was archived on a request by:  — billinghurst sDrewth 15:14, 4 February 2017 (UTC) .
Status:    Done

Interwiki prefixes are case-insensitive (and the dumpInterwiki script just converts them to lowercase anyway), so the second entry is not needed. This, that and the other (talk) 10:09, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

UTRS uppercased removed. If we're content with that, I'll ask that the map be sync. —MarcoAurelio 11:29, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
It's only housekeeping, so it can wait until the next sync. Thanks! This, that and the other (talk) 11:35, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Drae

For the record, I'll change from http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=$1 to http://dle.rae.es/?w=$1. As the first link redirects to the second. This was reported on Phabricator. Matiia (talk) 02:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Changed. Matiia (talk) 02:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T159103 Suggest we hold resolved until we have the interwiki rebuild.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Done by Dereckson. Matiia (talk) 01:04, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
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Horizon

Recent discussion Talk:Interwiki_map/Archives/2016#Horizon

Request to change the horizon: interwiki map to horizonlabs:. "Horizon" is a common word and has had at least one collision with encylopeida content (w:en:Horizon: Zero Dawn). See also enwiki discussion here: w:en:WP:VPT#Horizon project. — xaosflux Talk 18:25, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Ping in participants from prior discussion: User:Luke081515 and User:MarcoAurelio. — xaosflux Talk 18:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Looking at use indicates that the predominate use is the published work. I am wondering whether at this stage we just remove the interwiki and let them work out what is needed as internally.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
I'd go with what ^demon proposed at enwki and change it to horizonlabs: instead. And strongly agree with him in that we should be extra cautious when adding or modifying new codes to the table and think on the possible conflicts. This is the second one this year and it's annoying. Thanks, —MarcoAurelio 15:45, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Any objections on changing to horizonlabs:? —MarcoAurelio 23:00, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Done, changed to horizonlabs and requested that the map be updated. —MarcoAurelio 10:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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Wikia

The current listed Wikia:Projectname:Article name on top of the main page no longer work for wikia (example: wikia:kancolle:Combat/Overweight Penalty and Fit Gun Bonus). Haven't found a working alternative to it yet. C933103 (talk) 09:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea about what you are referring. Your first link is not functioning, the second is fine . Please give examples of the full ur of the page that you have and the shortcut that is not functioning. Pretty hard to problem solve when only one side of the issue exists.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:15, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Ah, on some mediawiki installation, the second link lead me to http://www.wikia.com/Kancolle:Combat/Overweight_Penalty_and_Fit_Gun_Bonus instead of the current configuration in WMF sites and that's probably why this situation is caused. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by an unspecified user
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ICANN Wiki

The following discussion is closed: not done, no evident consensus  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


link: http://icannwiki.com/index.php/$1 prefix:icannwiki:

ICANNWiki, the independent collaborative resource for the ICANN community.

  • There is Top Level Domain explosion. WikiPedia do not allow creating pages for every top level domain.
  • This wiki contains very detailed information about all the generic top level domains.
  • Has many other topics related with the top level domains, such as DNSSEC.
  • Some of ICANNWiki sponsors are Google, VeriSign, ICANN, Donuts, Sedo, Dyn, DotAfrica, Radix.
Wikipedia has allowed pages about every top-level domain. There are hundreds of country-level domains, for instance. Not sure what "sponsors" have to do with anything, as we are not for sale? K7L (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
K7L, check out w:Template:Generic_top-level_domains, I have created some pages like w:.ninja etc, they have all been proposed for deletion or they were redirected. Plus, I have been blocked for a week for mass creating new pages (they claimed that for example .ninja is not popular thus cannot be created). Okay, if this is the case let's at least link them to ICANN Wiki. --Kirov Airship (talk) 17:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose, massive spamming for new TLDs on enwiki, actually a case for the spamblock instead of the interwiki list. –Be..anyone (talk) 10:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
You mean this site has been spammed as an external link? This, that and the other (talk) 11:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, some rather poor enwiki new TLD stubs with a link to this site as everything remotely resembling a notable 3rd party reference (not counting ICANN itself as 3rd party.) Not their fault, they are also victims of the new TLD flood. –Be..anyone (talk) 21:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
As a general comment, this wiki does seem very detailed, particularly in regards to gTLDs, but I also wonder about how serious it is. It seems to include a cartoon drawing of each individual alongside their photo, which is really bizarre. Does anyone know if it is an official ICANN-sanctioned project? It claims to be, but I wonder... This, that and the other (talk) 11:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Having looked more closely, it does seem to be a perfectly serious wiki - the "caricatures" just being a part of its community identity - and I would Support Support this addition. The fact that the site was spammed isn't necessarily the fault of the wiki operators, and the potential for legitimate use is clear. This, that and the other (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
18++ months later, where are we? Is this still required? We look to have about 80 links to ICANNwiki. What would the community like done?  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:25, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Closing as lacking consensus, please feel free to reopen and return from the archives.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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Wikilivres.ca to Biblio.wiki

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T169979 resolved

The site is moving on 2017-07-01. Links work now. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Billinghurst, Matiia, Shanmugamp7, and Melos: This no longer works. Please update the URL. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Further to this, I think 'wikilivres' key should be updated and a new duplicate 'bibliowiki' key created. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Updated and duplicated; Special:PermanentLink/16971413. I will ask for a code update.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:30, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Somehow, {{Tracked}} is linking to Bugzilla rather than Phabricator... —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:16, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Template updated  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:56, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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SSL/HTTPS Updates

I have not checked all of the prefixes, but the following prefixes have an HTTP URL that generates a 301 Moved Permanently redirect to an HTTPS URL. For these prefixes, it would seem useful to change the HTTP URL to an HTTPS URL and in doing so provide additional privacy and security for users (in addition to reducing the number of redirects.)
--Elegie (talk) 06:22, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
updated per Special:PermanentLink/16635598. As the links are still all functional, I won't especially request an update, it can wait for the next rendition.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:32, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
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NARA

The NARA URL structure has changed. We should update "http://research.archives.gov/description/$1" to "https://catalog.archives.gov/id/$1". Thanks! Dominic (talk) 01:20, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

updated here though not asking for update of the map as old url redirects to new url. Note to Dominic, the use is not high, if there is a url change and the old url is in play, it may be worth getting a bot to push through and update.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, not urgent, as you say (the URL change is actually months old). I was planning to use this in edit summaries for an upload bot, but, as you say, I don't know of much use in the wild. I do have a plan to update the URLs themselves that are in use, particularly on Commons. Dominic (talk) 14:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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wmit HTTPS

Please switch wmit: to https:// (it was enabled this week). Thanks, Nemo 18:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

updated on list; not requested system update.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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Toolforge

There is already a mapping from toollabs to https://tools.wmflabs.org/$1. In light of Tool Labs being renamed to Toolforge, it seems like also mapping toolforge to https://tools.wmflabs.org/$1 would be a good idea. --Ahecht (talk) 17:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Ahect: Done with toolforge as the primary: [7] Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:52, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:32, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Openwiki

Remove OpenWiki. This website was last cached by the Internet Archive 2014-01-05, so the domain name seems to have been down for 3 years. https://web.archive.org/web/20140105102300/http://openwiki.com/ -- MicahDCochran (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

removed from list with a small tidy up at esWN.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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Heraldik-Wiki



New trial (last 6 years ago, see Talk: Interwiki map/Archives/2011-04). Now:
Mapping: HeraldikWiki: to https://heraldik-wiki.de/wiki/$1
Link: https://heraldik-wiki.de/
Meanwhile more than 100 links on de.wiki and also on other wikis. Since 2013, de.wiki has its own template for integration (see de:Vorlage:Heraldik-Wiki, 180x integrations). 1001 Greetings. --Arthur Diebold (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment Comment I am having COIBot run a report, though rough estimate is about 200 additions over time, though looks like only about 100 active today, and most of those to User and Project namespace, with less than a dozen to main namespace. Can I ask why you would want full name like that is there any issue or competition on confusion with something like heraldik? as I think that people will forget or confuse whether to place or not place the hyphen.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
    I will amend that previous count, I see that we have http: and https: urls, and to top that off we have www leading and no subdomain names, so there is a sufficiency. I also note that there are some urls that have /index.php/ in urls, so can we please confirm that you do want /wiki/. I also note that are some references to /images/ in some urls, so we would need to confirm whether they are meant to be in or out.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:39, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
  • heraldik would be fine.
  • In 2011 we only had http; but we changed over to https a long time ago and today we favor https.
  • I don't know if /index.php/ or /wiki/ is more suitable. I was just testing /wiki/ -- and that worked in most test cases. I like to join the solution that is "better" for interwiki communication. Entry point URLs are:
    article path: /wiki/$1
    script path: //heraldik-wiki.de
    index.php: //heraldik-wiki.de/index.php
    api.php: //heraldik-wiki.de/api.php
    load.php: //heraldik-wiki.de/load.php
1001 greetings --Arthur Diebold (talk) 12:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Suggested process:

Mapping: Heraldik to https://heraldik-wiki.de/wiki/$1

We can revisit images with either a separate interwiki shortcut if they remain at the current url, or if you work out a means to slot them into your path, then you can go from there. BTW I was not suggesting bringing them here, more the ability to readily link to them in situ. If the community can give feedback, and if there is nothing within the next week, then I will implement.  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:30, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Two weeks are over. Nothing's happening. This is pity. --Arthur Diebold (talk) 00:46, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I'm happy if you implement now interwiki for Heraldik-Wiki. --Arthur Diebold (talk) 16:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
@MarcoAurelio: Hello MarcoAurelio, a month has passed and nothing has happened. billinghurst is not responding. Could you perhaps implement the Heraldik-Wiki as interwiki now? --Arthur Diebold (talk) 21:53, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Arthur Diebold. Since Billinghurst didn't objected nor any other community members did, I'll add heraldik to the Interwiki Map shortly. Notwithstanding please note that even if I add the interwiki to the map now, it'll still not work until a system administrator updates the copy of this interwiki map, which can take some days. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Added Added in Special:Diff/17527525. We'll have to wait to the next db sync to get the interwiki link to actually work. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:44, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much, MarcoAurelio! Best regards. --Arthur Diebold (talk) 13:36, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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KomicaWiki

KomicaWiki have recently migrated from pukiwiki into mediawiki, consequently the URL format have also been updated from http://wiki.komica.org/wiki3/?$1 into //wiki.komica.org/$1 so please update accordingly.C933103 (talk) 12:05, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

It does seem that the update has broken the wikilinks, thought I should note that I could find only 3 usages of this interwiki on zhwiki whereas there was a fair amount of external linking that was pointing to that wiki or subdomains of that wiki. I will proceed with the update.Snowolf How can I help? 06:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Also it looks like they have https support so I'll switch it to a // link rather than an http link. Snowolf How can I help? 06:26, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Done Snowolf How can I help? 06:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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OmegaWiki



link: http://www.omegawiki.org/Expression:$1

I'm pretty surprised that I didn't see this here already: OmegaWiki is a good and extensive non-WMF wiki with incoming links. I think we should support it thought the map. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:06, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

There are about 600+ links, though some by same person in user space, and others in multi-language translations. Either way there looks to be a general acceptance by the community that linking to the site is reasonable, and if that is the case, then our making it easier, and more resilient to change also sounds reasonable. Anyone see downsides to the interwiki?  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Nope. I like the idea. In fact, there was a "Multilingual Wiktionary" project on Incubator that was trying to move in that direction, but in the end there was no need for it, because OmegaWiki already exists. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:19, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Actually it is intended to move it to our servers and integrate it into Wikidata/Wiktionary someday. --Vogone (talk) 03:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
That's stretching a point; right now it seems like an open proposal, nothing more. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:46, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
It only lacks implementation, there is very clear consensus to move forward and OmegaWiki itself already decided to make the way free for the move. It may be true that it still is going to be rejected despite the consensus, but the intent to move cannot be denied. --Vogone (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Final thoughts?  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Seems uncontroversial to me. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Can someone please add this? —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:04, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Support Support it is basically a superior version of the Wiktionary, and contains a lot more languages. --Donald Trung (Talk 🤳🏻) (My global lock 😒🌏🔒) (My global unlock 😄🌏🔓) 10:35, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

added  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:46, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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uMap



link: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/$1

Bonjour! uMap is one of the largest multilangual online map service that use layers / opensource / OpenStreetMap. We use it a lot within Wiki pages, not only in English or French, but also in other languages. It would be awesome to have an Interwiki created for uMap. Especially right now, since we're organising the Canadian Contribution Month!! Thank you in advance. Best regards, Benoit Rochon (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I support this. Amqui (talk) 02:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Can you give some examples of the urls in use and how they are stable. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:24, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment At the moment system tells me ... COIBot> 154 records; Top 10 wikis where umap.openstreetmap.fr has been added: w:fr (31), w:de (16), w:en (15), m (8), w:tr (8), w:es (6), www.mediawiki (6), w:ar (5), w:ca (4), de.wikivoyage (4).

The community is using uMap a lot. I'm the president Wikimedia Canada and we use uMap layers very often, since many years. We would like to have an interwiki for https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/$1 ... This is just common sense. Thank you to make this happen. Best regards. Benoit Rochon (talk) 03:19, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

@Девочка Енота: The request was to have example urls and demonstration that they are stable. That is still a requirement for us to place an interwiki.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:07, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello billinghurst & Девочка Енота, I use the uMap at least twice a year for Wikimedia contests :
I use uMap for the past 5 years and URLs https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/$1 are stable and multilingual. Best regards, Benoit Rochon (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

added  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:49, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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DMOZ and DMOZS

The DMOZ community is now live at curlie.org so please replace instances of "dmoztools.net" (a static mirror) with "curlie.org" (a live fork that continues the project). —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

For the dmoz prefix, the target URL should be changed from http://dmoztools.net/$1 to https://curlie.org/$1 instead in order to make this change. (This is assuming that Curlie is a legitimate fork of DMOZ and that its replication of Web pages from DMOZ and/or dmoztools.net is in compliance with any licensing requirements.) --Elegie (talk) 06:39, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

updated and found a search url  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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regiowiki.at



Link: http://regiowiki.at/wiki/$1 prefix:regio:

  1. provide clear and relevant use to the Wikimedia projects, including the purpose of the site: it is a special wiki for topics, that dont merit a separate Wikipedia article in de.wikipedia.org but are appropriate for a wiki with more localized content and viewers. So serveral articles are used to be exported to regiowiki.at from de.wikipedia.org. Sometimes articles are re-imported to de.wikipedia.org, when topics have been gaining in importance.
    Many wiki-newbies start working in regiowiki.at and then change to de.wikipedia.org
    Regiowiki.at is suported by WMAT (Wikimedia Austria) as a partner project of WMAT
  2. be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects: It is a private wiki, that requires user registration before any edit is permitted. Registration is done by sysops and requires application via email;
  3. be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license): Source of files and pics is simply WikiCommons, see e.g. most used files on regiowiki.at;
  4. be a wiki: yes;
  5. have reasonable amounts of content: lots of content already with 25,743,616 hits (!); see main side (german), among others;
  6. not contain malware: of course not.

Thanks a lot, --Agruwie (talk) 22:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

There are many links to regiowiki.at at user talk pages, because during relevance discussion or deletion discussion regiowiki.at often is suggested as an alternative wiki for articles focusing on regional issues, best --Agruwie (talk) 03:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Done Special:Diff/19776981. Will not work until the interwiki cache is updated (that depends on sysadmins to do, not us). —MarcoAurelio (talk) 19:38, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Interwiki is now operative as regiowiki:. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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