Community Wishlist Survey 2017/Bots and gadgets/Commons deletion notification bot

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  • Problem: When images that are used in a Wikipedia article are put up for deletion on Commons, the Wikiproject or article associated with those images are not notified.
  • Who would benefit: The Wikiprojects may have connections with the uploading institution and thus able to get permission or may be able to find a substitute for the image being deleted. Either way it will improve collaboration between WP and Commons.
  • Proposed solution: Add links to these Commons discussions to the Article Alerts for Wikiprojects and / or the article talk page
  • More comments:

Discussion

Supposedly there is something on Fr WP that does this.[1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

  • @Doc James: Hi. (1) I suggest you tweak this proposal to be more focused on individual uploaders, and less focused on WikiProjects which don't exist (or work in consistent ways) in many language Wikipedias and sibling projects. (2) See also 2016 wishlist...#Automatic notification of page creators when page is nominated for deletion, and the more positive 2016 wishlist...#Notifications for when your image is used for related ideas & discussions from last year. :) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:10, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
    • Sure the bot could also notify the individual account that uploaded it and put a note on the talk page of the article that will be affected. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
      • A notice on the talk page of the article (where the file is used) would be really nice. The notice can be uniform, but it should use prepared translations (f. e. German translation for German wikiprojects). --Vachovec1 (talk) 20:56, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
      • @Doc James: Please update the actual proposal wording above, so that when voting begins, people can get the clear summary from just reading the summary. (This discussion section might be collapsed when the voting starts, as it was last year. This section is primarily for us to discuss improvements to the proposal wording, before the voting starts.) Thanks! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Happened to notice this discussion right after I posted about the same thing at w:Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#Notification system for files on Commons nominated for deletion. If there's enough support for it then I'm happy to tackle this task -FASTILY 23:46, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Daniel Kinzler's bot CommonsTicker did that a long time ago, but fell into disrepair. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 05:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

phab:T91192 may be an alternative. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

For article Alerts, as they currently exist, you'll have to talk to en:User:Hellknowz and make a Features Request for Article Alerts. However, see this Article alerts-related proposal. A dedicated bot putting notices on talk pages could be handled at en:WP:BOTREQ. Headbomb (talk) 04:38, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

  • Note that there is currently a discussion about this exact issue at the Englosh Wikiversity, so this idea is certainly wanted. Also note that at the English Wikiversity it was being discussed independently from this suggestion so this bot should be created, and I agree that the talk pages of the affected pages are the best target. --Donald Trung (Talk 🤳🏻) (My global lock 🔒) (My global unlock 🔓) 13:08, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
I made the proposal on Wikiversity, which was a response to a problem: Users trust Commons content, use it, and years later someone finds (or imagines) a copyright problem and the Commons file is deleted, then Commons Delinker comes and removes the link. At that point, all the file information from Commons is now deleted. (Really, that information should never be deleted even if the image itself is removed). The original user may be long gone. So content is damaged and fixing it can be time-consuming, creating a possibly unnecessary maintenance cost). We could go to Commons and ask an admin for a copy of the file, but that's cumbersome and not actually legal, if the copyright failure was real. However, if the file is hosted on Commons, there is no doubt that we can legally copy it to Wikiversity. We just don't do it because it seems unnecessary. Later, if the file is deleted from Commons, our own copy could be tagged, if appropriate, for fair use (or deleted if fair use is not appropriate, whatever it takes to satisfy the EDP requirements -- but Wikiversity tends to have liberal fair use practice.) So the proposal was to copy all WV-used Commons content to Wikiversity, by local bot. However, if Commons would notify Wikiversity of pending deletions, for all files used on Wikiversity, we wouldn't need that dual hosting. The NonFreeWiki proposal would be far more efficient if it were simply a filespace on Commons, where used files were moved. That's basically a no-cost solution. --Abd (talk) 14:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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