Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Wikisource/Improve export of electronic books

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Original title (Français): Améliorer l'exportation des versions électroniques des livres
  • Problem: Imagine if Wikipedia pages could not display for many days, or would only be available once in a while for many weeks. Imagine if Wikipedia displayed pages with missing informations or scrambled information. This is what visitors get when they download books from the French Wikisource. Visitors do not read books online in a browser. They want to download them on their reader in epub, mobi or pdf. The current tool (Wsexport) to export books in these formats has all those problems : on spring 2017, it was on and off for over a month ; after october 2017, mobi format did not work, then pdf stopped working. These problems still continue on and off.
    Français: Imaginez si les pages Wikipédia ne s’affichaient pas pour plusieurs jours, ou n’étaient disponibles que de façon aléatoire durant plusieurs jours. Imaginez si sur les pages Wikipédia certaines informations ne s’affichaient pas ou était affichées tout croche. C’est la situation qui se produit pour les visiteurs qui désirent télécharger nos livres. Les visiteurs ne lisent pas les livres en ligne dans un navigateur, ils désirent les télécharger sur leurs lecteurs en epub, mobi ou pdf. L’outil actuel (Wsexport) permettant l’export dans ces formats possède tous ces problèmes: au printemps 2017, il fonctionnait de façon aléatoire durant un mois; depuis octobre 2017, le format mobi puis pdf ont cessé de fonctionner. Ces problèmes continuent de façon aléatoire.
  • Who would benefit: The end users, the visitors to Wikisource, by having access to high quality books. This would improve the credibility of Wikisource.

    This export tool is the showcase of Wikisource. Contributors can be patient with system bugs, but visitors won’t be, and won’t come back.

    The export tool is as important as the web site is.

    Français: L’utilisateur final, le visiteur de Wikisource, en ayant accès à des livres de haute qualité. Ceci contribuerait à améliorer la crédibilité de Wikisource. L’outil d´exportation est une vitrine pour Wikisource. Les contributeurs peuvent être patients avec les anomalies de système, mais les visiteurs ne le seront peut-être pas et ne reviendront pas. L’outil d’exportation est tout aussi important que le site web.
  • Proposed solution: We need a professional tool, that runs and is supported 24/7, as the different Wikimedia web sites are, by Wikimedia foundation professional developers.

    The tool should support different possibilities of electronic book, and the evolution of ebooks technology.

    The different bugs should be corrected.

    Français: Nous avons besoin d’un outil professionnel, fonctionnant et étant supporté 24/7, comme tous les différents sites Wikimedia, par les développeurs professionnels de la fondation Wikimedia. Les différentes anomalies doivent être corrigées.
  • More comments: There are not enough people in a small wiki (even French, Polish or English Wikisource) to support and maintain such a tool.
    Français: Nous ne sommes pas assez nombreux dans les petits wiki (même Wikisource Français, Polonais ou Anglais) pour supporter une telle application.

Discussion[edit]

When it comes to PDF format, mw:Reading/Web/PDF Functionality is probably also related here? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 12:46, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes it is a "related tool" mw:Reading/Web/PDF Functionality is not covering Wsexport features: Wikisource books are split in multiple subpages and Wsexport is able to know automatically which pages should be included and in which order. It also properly attributes the proofreaders of the Page: pages and extract the relevant metadata (e.g. the author is the original author of the work and not the Wikisource contributors).
On the technical side about Wsexport: its codebase is mostly derived from a quick PHP hack and is not able to scale with the current load on the restricted tools labs capacities. A full rewrite is I believe required in order to get this tool in a working state. Tpt (talk) 09:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
+1 we need to increase reading capability. downloading in e-reader format would expand off-line reader base, increasing use-ability. will require some community management. Slowking4 (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

As a writer of science (Mathematics and Physics) books, it is important for me, to be able to extract these books also in odt form. I have already written three books in both forms (wiki and odt) and the additional effort to do this was not exactly sparse. Of course I need the odt Format, in order to be able to change contents according to the needs of my pupils any time, without needing to change the wiki project. If extraction in odt format exists, then it is very easy to make a pdf out of it (the opposite is not exactly so easy). I already tried to create a Star-Basic macro, that should do part of the job, the wiki-programmers can maybe find there ideas for a wiki2odt converter. If this in not possible, a working pdf converter would also suffice... Yomomo (talk) 05:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Voting[edit]

  • Support Support Consulnico (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Akme (talk) 03:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support I use WSexport every day for distribution of texts to users who are not always on line. Wuyouyuan (talk) 08:27, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Le ciel est par dessus le toit (talk) 09:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Using WExport instensively too ! Patrice Dargenton (talk) 11:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Noé (talk) 16:24, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Peter Alberti (talk) 17:08, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Viticulum (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Hector (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Satdeep Gill (talk) 07:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਵਿਰਦੀ (talk) 07:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Harshaan Ghuman (talk) 07:15, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Simranjeet Sidhu (talk) 07:18, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Jagvir Kaur (talk) 07:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Kaviraf--Kaviraf (talk) 07:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Zabia (talk) 10:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Richard Nevell (talk) 10:55, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support very important and necessary if we really want to achieve "Knowledge as a service" and "Knowledge equity" for our readers. VIGNERON * discut. 12:34, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support 200% pro. This is more than a simple need! Best regards, Benoit Rochon (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Jeb (talk) 15:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Yodaspirine (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Amqui (talk) 17:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Pepe piton (talk) 18:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Tpt (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Aristoi (talk) 20:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ninovolador (talk) 20:17, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Thurs (talk) 20:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Laurent Jerry (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Pymouss Tchatcher - 21:42, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support as quickly as possible! Wieralee (talk) 23:04, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ankry (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Bodhisattwa (talk) 03:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Llywrch (talk) 07:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Bzhqc (talk) 08:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Geraki TL 14:07, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Dorades (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support I support Derfgiuliano (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Nala Discuter 14:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support SupportTheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Emptyfear (talk) 15:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Sadads (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Hsarrazin (talk) 20:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ernest-Mtl (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Zdzislaw (talk) 00:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Lostinlodos (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Yomomo (talk) 05:30, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support The export tool is as important as the web is ! Acer11 (talk) 05:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Barsetti46 (talk) 06:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Candalua (talk) 06:36, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Toto256 (talk) 06:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Shev123 (talk) 09:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Yes please! Thekidpossum (talk) 13:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Thibaut120094 (talk) 14:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Lyokoï (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Needed fix many problem in export (ie. maps) and others And.martire (talk) 16:35, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Salicyna (talk) 18:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Pamputt (talk) 18:37, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Automatik (talk) 18:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Alex brollo (talk) 19:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Vigno (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 23:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support JAn Dudík (talk) 06:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Vulphere 07:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Conny (talk) 15:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Novak Watchmen (talk) 15:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ayack (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support I started working on wiki source because of broken e-pubs. S1.pl (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Absolutely necessary for this type of project. Gce (talk) 17:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Support for tables needed last time I checked. Library Guy (talk) 19:44, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Per proposal and rationale given by some of the supporters of the proposal. SshibumXZ (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support MartinPoulter (talk) 12:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Balajijagadesh (talk) 18:47, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Jayantanth (talk) 19:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Flo Beck (talk) 20:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Manseng (talk) 21:57, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Good quality export of Wikisource books to epub, mobi and pdf formats is very importnat. Siddhant (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Effectivement, j'ai déjà rencontré plusieurs fois des problèmes d'export Tpe.g5.stan (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Chrisric (talk) 11:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 11:41, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --*j*jac (talk) 11:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Sahaquiel9102 (talk) 17:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Slowking4 (talk) 19:36, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Vieux têtard (talk) 22:42, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 01:02, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support A must-have functionality for Wikisource that has sadly been lacking. As both an editor and reader of Wikisource, I can attest to the fact that the current e-book exporting tool is slow, buggy and simply not up-to-date with the latest technical advantages and needs. odder (talk) 10:44, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Acélan (talk) 13:09, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Would be very useful in other languages too. this is definitely not unique to fr.ws. Naḥum (talk) 20:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Indispensable !! Et de préférence avec une compatibilité multiple (epub-mobi-ODT) SyB~Anicium (talk) 20:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ~ Seb35 [^_^] 14:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Yland (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Micru (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Ranjithsiji (talk) 22:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 03:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support PMG (talk) 11:55, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support This is needed. Mathieugp (talk) 13:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support in the hope that improvements to this functionality would also be able to help Wikivoyage's (currently broken) book creator. Mx. Granger (talk) 14:37, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support for Wikisource and beyond! Trizek from FR 17:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Nemo 22:44, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support ManuD (talk) 08:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Zyephyrus (talk) 18:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support User:JLTB34 --JLTB34 (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Abecido (talk) 09:26, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Bibar (talk) 10:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Saig Keryann (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support An important feature, needed to promote wider use of Wikisource by readers. Sites allowing to download ebooks are popular now, and we need to have such feature — NickK (talk) 16:35, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Strong support! Edhral 07:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --OrsolyaVirág (talk) 14:23, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --.mau. ✉ 15:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Very important and should be a basic funcion of all mediawiki services... ciampix (talk) 16:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Pyb (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Arcyon37 (talk) 16:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 16:41, 30 November 2018 (UTC)