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tvar does not link to sections inthe same page

Please correct the /en page where three tvar tags does not jump to sections in the same page. After translated a few months ago, I noticed the problem and as a temporary patch up, in ja, I edited them to plain links with pagename#section_title for the time being. Would you have a look please? --Omotecho (talk) 04:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

OK OK @Omotecho:Eihel (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
winkThanks!, @Eihel:, case solved. --Omotecho (talk) 02:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Urgent translation request: Wiki Loves Folklore

Hello, please help us translate Wiki Loves Folklore central banner to your local language via https://w.wiki/Fom. Thank you! Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 06:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Help:Edit summary

Hello, I have migrated Help:Edit summary to use Translate extension, so previous translation have been archived. You can find them in translation page history (you can copy them to update the translation). If you’re a translation admin, you can also use Special:PageMigration to help previous translation import. Sorry for inconveniance. Face-confused.svgPols12 (talk) 17:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done In fact, most of “translations” were actually interwiki redirects, so I just imported real translations for ar, fr, it and ja (often marking them as fuzzied when I thought translation were outdated). —Pols12 (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Message to readers from Wikimedia Foundation

Given the unfolding global events, the Wikimedia Foundations feels it is important to reassure readers across the globe.

We'll be displaying a short message at the top of the projects reaffirming our commitment to keep Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects online, open and free for all. Readers often turn to Wikipedia for neutral information in times of stress. This is a critical moment for students who can't go to school, people who have to stay home with their families, and anyone who needs a trusted source of unbiased information.

We also want to take a moment to acknowledge the invaluable work of all the medical contributors on Wikipedia. Thank you for keeping a close watch and keeping misinformation at bay. Coronavirus topics have received tens of thousands of edits by thousands of editors since the start of the pandemic. The article has been read more than 30 million times, in English alone.

The message will be displayed just once to readers, and you can preview the banner. The draft is in English but we want this message to be multilingual. If you have a moment, please help translate this banner into your language. Thank you all, for your work and efforts.

Stay safe, and wash your hands! Seddon (WMF) (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

The above message is duplicated from Wikimedia_Forum#Message_to_readers_from_Wikimedia_Foundation. --Yair rand (talk) 20:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Seddon (WMF): can I suggest making the link open in a new tab, so that it doesn't result in the message going away? In the banner, in prg.wrap_url, specify target="_blank" within the <a> element. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 08:57, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

People’s name localisation

Hello, In your languages, can the names of people require to be localised? I mean we should choose between these both following options:

  1. we should always put people’s name inside TVAR to avoid misspelling.
  2. or we should always allow translators to localize people’s name.

For example: is it useful to have all staff names marked for translation inside Template:WMF Staff? —Pols12 (talk) 15:58, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

I think it is useful to give languages the opportunity to transcribe names (or de-transcribe them, if they had been transcribed into the Latin script from the local script of the wiki). /Julle (talk) (in his volunteer capacity) 12:42, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer! I think you’re right, I have indeed seen name transcriptions into Arabic. So option 2: we probably should always allow translator to localize people’s name. --Pols12 (talk) 15:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Enabling the new language bci

Hello !

I would like to enable the bci language in the Meta Wiki Translations. It is a new language that doesn't appear again. I want to translate from english or french toward bci which is still in the incubator, and I am working on: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/bci. It is a part of a Ph.D. program for Machine Translation tasks, more details here : http://excellenceintegration.com/pairing/. Any hint about the general correct procedure is welcome.

Awaiting for your feedback please.

Regards, Jean-Claude KOUASSI.

Hello Kjeanclaude,
You can request for adding of a new language to MediaWiki on Translatewiki.net support.
Besides, if you only aims to test your program, you should probably work on your own mirror: you can freely download and edit all Wikimedia wiki content.
Plus, you can visit main Research page; mainly if you still need to work on public Wikimedia cluster, you would be allowed by WMF or community.
Lastly, please end your messages with four tildes ~~~~ to sign them. Helping button: --Pols12 (talk) 16:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Unable to mark Template:CIS-A2K Train-a-Wikipedian header for translation even as translation admin?

Hello, for some reason I am unable to mark Template:CIS-A2K Train-a-Wikipedian header for translation (syntax updated) even as a translation admin. Could someone please take a look at this and see if you can? Thanks! --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Probably because the <translate> tags were removed at [1]. --MF-W 16:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I’m working on that template. --Pols12 (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --Pols12 (talk) 16:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
@Pols12: Thanks! --TheSandDoctor Talk 16:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Language template help

Hi, this is probably not the right place to ask, but I couldn't figure out where to ask. I need to create Template:smn for the Inari Saami language and Template:Sms for the Skolt Saami language, but these are currently being used by non-language templates. Any ideas about how to proceed? -Yupik (talk) 06:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC) 

Hi Yupik, I have not understood what you want to do. {smn} and {sms} can be used on a page in any language, I think. If you meet an issue with these templates, please give a link to the problematic page. --Pols12 (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
The language code for the Inari Saami language is smn, the language code for Skolt Saami, sms. Template:smn and Template:sms do not refer to the language code like Template:Se does for Northern Saami (se). I want to be able to create a template for those two languages that works the same as the one for Northern Saami. -Yupik (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the clarification. Two possibilities:
  • You create your templates with another name, e.g. {smn-lang}. These language-code templates don’t seem to be standardized on Meta (many languages have no templates, and depending on the templates, the language code, the language name in English or the language name in target language is displayed).
  • Or you can rename current Template:Smn and Template:Sms and ask a bot to fix all pages which include them. Then you will be able to use the old names for your language templates.
I think the first solution is simpler and less noisy. --Pols12 (talk) 15:09, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

ItWikiCon pages

Could any of you use Special:PageLanguage to set Italian as base language for all pages under ItWikiCon/2020, because it's an Italian conference. Could you also help me with this: ItWikiCon/2020/Sede and other subpages of ItWikiCon/2020? Thank you very much.--Ferdi2005[Mail] 22:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done by Samuele2002 and Valerio Bozzolan (see task T254825 too) —Eihel (talk) 08:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: DannyS712 (talk) 07:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Translation pages will have language tagging for untranslated parts

Hi translation admins. I am changing the output of translation pages so that untranslated units are tagged with the page source language and direction. This uses similar wrapping technique as marking of outdated translations. Since the number of untranslated units is much higher than outdated units, I am expecting this may alter rending of some pages. Translate extension needs to guess whether to use use span or div tags as appropriate for the context, and this may have some unforeseen corner cases.

This change is expected to be deployed during next week. Since the rendering of translation pages is cached, they need to fall out of cache or be updated (marking the page for translation, translation updates) to reflect this new behavior. If you notice any odd change in rendering of translation pages (other than expected changes of possibly different fronts and left-to-right rendering of English text in Right-to-left pages), don't hesitate to contact me or file a task in Phabricator. --Nikerabbit (talk) 10:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Due to the input in the task, we have decided to not deploy the proposed change for now. There are known cases that would break, and we will first explore how to handle those gracefully. Please have a look at the task and comment the proposed solutions. --Nikerabbit (talk) 07:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Marking for translation

I'm new to translations, so lmk if this isn't the proper forum, but I'd like for Conflicting Wikipedia philosophies, Transclusionism, and Antitransclusionism to be marked for translation, please. I think I've prepared the markup so they're ready. Sdkb (talk) 09:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Symbol wait.svg Doing... --DannyS712 (talk) 17:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --DannyS712 (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! English Wikipedia is now ready for translation as well (it was severely outdated; I fixed up most of it except for the history timeline). {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Done --DannyS712 (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: DannyS712 (talk) 07:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Translation Notifications can be used again

We have rewritten Translation Notifications notification delivery mechanism. For talk page messages it now uses the MassMessage extension, and we made fixes to email delivery as well. I encourage you to use Special:NotifyTranslators again (when appropriate) and should there still be issues with delivery of notifications, do let us know. --Nikerabbit (talk) 06:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! In fact the past few days have seen a few translation notifications which appear to have been successful. Nemo 06:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Request to mark for translation

Hi, I fixed a simple typo on Meta:Patrollers (Diff/20229490). Because the link was wrong. Can you mark it? Please let me know if the request page is different… --mirinano (talk) 06:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: DannyS712 (talk) 07:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Request to mark for translation

I've translated the page Research:Index/header to Research:Index/header/ml. But it doesn't reflect in Research:Index/ml. Please mark the new changes in pages Research:Index and Research:Index/header for translation. Regards--Path slopu (talk) 07:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@Path slopu: Yes check.svg Done. The issue wasn't with the mainpage, just use Special:Purge next time, --Minorax (talk) 07:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
@Minorax: Thank you very much for your help and advice. I'll do it in similar cases in the future. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 07:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: Minorax (talk) 07:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Queries on Translation

Hi greetings, I've some doubts about translation in Wikimedia projects. Hope you'll help.

  • What is the purpose of status bar (in progress, proofreading, ready, published, etc) in translation extension?
    • What should we mark in it after we completely translate a page? (ready or published)
  • When we select a page for translation (wrapping it with <translate>) , how can we break it into separate translatable sections or paragraphs? Should we do it manually or are there any automated techniques?
  • When we select a page for translation, should translators add <translate> tags in it or is it translation admin's duty or is there any automated methods?

One more doubt, it is only on a curiosity, please don't feel any bad on it.

  • Why there is a separate British English language, since original English language is British? (I mean there is already a English)

Kindly please help. --Path slopu (talk) 10:22, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Path slopu:,
You will find your replies on the following pages:
Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 15:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
@Eihel: Hi greetings, thank you very much for your helps. Hope you'll help in future also. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 07:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: —Eihel (talk) 11:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Request to mark for translation

Please mark these pages for translation.

Yes check.svg Done text to be translated moved to subpage Template:Engine/translatable --Samuele2002 (Talk!) 19:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: --Samuele2002 (Talk!) 19:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Copying a translated page and its translations

I want to make a copy of a page and its translations (specifically, copying Abstract Wikipedia to Abstract Wikipedia/Historic proposal). It needs to be "frozen in time, and also searchable", so I cannot just link to an old-diff. We want to slowly convert that primary page into a current and uptodate project page, instead of the historic "project proposal" page. But much of the content will stay the same (at least for the short-term), so I also don't want to just "move" the current page, as that would lose the existing translations (or require re-creating them from the translation-memory).

Is there an optimal way to do this? Export/Import might work, but could be messy and requires admin-assistance.

My fallback-plan is to simply manually re-create a copy in a subpage and duplicate the translations (either manually via the interface, or perhaps just as static sub-pages with an oldschool {{Languages}} navbar). And perhaps that is the optimal method!? Thanks for any feedback. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Quiddity (WMF): It should be fairly simple to export the translations and re-import them for the new page, effectively copying them. The only issue would be with the base page at Abstract Wikipedia/Historic proposal. If you just make a plain copy of Abstract Wikipedia's current text and note in the edit summary the attribution, it should be fine. If you'd like my help (as a translation admin) with duplicating the translations to the frozen copy, let me know. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
To be honest it looks like the last solution you mentioned would be the easiest one, as the /Historic subpage is meant to be static and not edited anymore anyway. --MF-W 12:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Quiddity, In fact it is possible to move a translatable page. Be aware this operation is pretty long and may fails, but the tool has been designed to achieve this kind of operation: you just have to move it as you do with any other page, and to specify whether you want not-translation subpages to be moved too. --Pols12 (talk) 18:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I wanted to keep 2 copies though - 1 frozen archive, and 1 that can slowly change. I have implemented the fallback plan. Thanks all! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 02:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 02:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Request to mark for translation

Please mark these pages for translation

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Path slopu (talk) 2020-07-15 – 10:20

Yes check.svg Done, even if this wasn’t really useful (no change). --Pols12 (talk) 11:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: --Path slopu (talk) 17:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Request to mark for translation

I've made some small changes in this page-VisualEditor/Newsletter/header. Please mark it for translation. Regards.--Path slopu (talk) 10:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W 11:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg:Thank you very much. Please mark this pages also --Template:Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos, Wikimedia Foundation.--Path slopu (talk) 11:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Done. Sgd. —Hasley 12:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: --Path slopu (talk) 17:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Request to mark for translation

Hi greetings, I've made some changes in these pages. Please mark it for translation

Regards.--Path slopu (talk) 09:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, thanks for your work. The tagging was pretty good, you can look at my tweaked for various improvement (e.g. if the whole unit is in bold or in italics, you may put translate tag inside bold/italics in order to make translation easier). The only real issue, in my opinion, was for categories: we should not put them inside <translate> tags, but adding {{#translation:}} instead.
Also, you use semantic tvar names, this is good, but this is useless in most cases (for example: target page name in links), digital names are often sufficient. --Pols12 (talk) 16:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
@Pols12: Hi greetings, thank you so much for editing those pages. Thank you for clearing my doubts. I appreciate your hard works.
I will definitely follow the method you recommended in my future edits. Hope you'll help in future also. Thank you.--Path slopu (talk) 05:33, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: --Path slopu (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Max Klemm (WMDE)/ FileImporter Announcement

This should be translated until tomorrow, but changes are waiting to be marked for translation. Can someone press the button? Thanks in advance, —Tacsipacsi (talk) 21:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

How peculiar. Done. --MF-W 22:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: --Path slopu (talk) 17:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Doubt

Hi greetings, I'd like to ask a doubt relating this page--Template:Mw. Here languages are not like normal translations (though they have /langcode after name). When we click on a particular language listed in page our language will be switched to that language. There is no translate tags in that page. Would you mind explaining me about this? Hope you'll help. Regards.--Path slopu (talk) 10:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Symbol wait.svg Doing... Here, translations have been manually maid, in an old-fashioned way (before Translate extension spreading). I’m upgrading it. --Pols12 (talk) 16:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. I have migrated previous translation, however I have fuzzied them because I have maid a small edit in template content.
So, translation reviews are welcome. --Pols12 (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
@Pols12: Thank you very much for clarifying my doubt. Thanks for upgrading those pages to use the translation extension. Regards.--Path slopu (talk) 05:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
@Pols12: By the way, I would have migrated the page in the original version and only changed the English original afterwards. This would have meant that translators see a little diff on the translation interface that explains exactly what changed, which helps updating appropriately. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
You’re probably right, Tacsipacsi: I often try to make all my changes in only one diff, but in some cases, and in this case, having two distinct revisions would be better. Sorry for the inconvenience. (By the way, thank you for auto-TNT trick Face-smile.svg) --Pols12 (talk) 14:22, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: DannyS712 (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)