Steward requests/Global permissions
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Global rollback and global interface editor requests require no fewer than 5 days of discussion while abuse filter helper and maintainer requests require no fewer than 7 days. Global renamer and global sysop requests require no fewer than 2 weeks of discussion. For requests that are unlikely to pass under any circumstances, they may be closed by a steward without further discussion (after a reasonable amount of input).
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Requests for global rollback permissions
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Global rollback for Neriah
- Global user: Neriah (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 21 May 2021 11:51 UTC
- Greetings,
About two months ago I applied for permission, and was told to wait two months and apply again, when I gain more experience monitoring small wiki sites. Since then I have toured quite a bit, and it was possible to see me a lot in SWMT (I toured a lot in the old username, which can not be seen in the log there). I want the permission so that I can be more comfortable reproducing, and also so that the local monitors on all wikis do not have to mark my edits as checked every time I restore an edit. Neriah (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment List of undos per wiki: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P15971. --Martin Urbanec (talk) 13:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support For most wikis, you did last cross-wiki work on 22-23-24-25-26 March, 2-15-30 April and 16 May per GUC statistics. I have looked at some of your undos, these are quite right. Half of your undos are already on enwiki and Hebrew wikis (isn't bad), because you have local rights and trusted user on Hebres wikis. However, at total you only worked for approximatly 1 week on other wikis and made a request again after 2 months. This is the only reason why I can't you give full support. --Uncitoyentalk 09:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Uncitoyen, I wrote that part Larger of my restorations are not visible, because I changed the username. Neriah (talk) 10:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think it has nothnig with the old username. Your username has been changed, we could see your old edits in 2020 on GUC. --Uncitoyentalk 11:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Uncitoyen, I wrote that part Larger of my restorations are not visible, because I changed the username. Neriah (talk) 10:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Requests for global sysop permissions
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Requests for global rename permissions
Steward requests/Global permissions/Global renamers
Global rename for Serial Number 54129
- Wiki: meta.wikimedia.org (list 'crats • bot policy • summary • 'crats rights)
- User: Serial Number 54129 (talk • edits • logs • UserRights • activity • CentralAuth • email • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 20 May 2021 19:06 UTC
- @Serial Number 54129: You're not an admin though. How do you envision making use of global renamer, considering that your intention is to help users that are blocked and half the admins come here (and get the right you're looking for) with the same unblock assistance reason that you're giving? Leaderboard (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi! Well, if there was an 'admin-only' criterion for this tool, you have my assurances that I would not have applied; I'm not sure my competence would not have been questioned :) but as I say, it would be nice to do something for those new editors, who, blocked for a username concern, then make multiple unblock requests to no avail. The experience could so easily be sufficiently off-putting for them that they never edit again. Or at least are put off editing as much as they might otherwise have done. This would be a shame for the project—indeed, the movement more broadly—as who knows what they might have brought to it.Do you know what I mean? ——SerialNumber54129 16:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- No unfortunately. The problem I'm seeing here is that you're trying to help in something that you really can't - after all, as a user that was blocked for a username violation, you as a GR can do nothing in practice unless the user asks for an unblock and the blocking admin cannot do it themselves. After all, that's the reason you see every second admin come here and ask for global renamer (and get it). Unless I'm missing something, that is.
- Tentative Oppose as a result; this is a case where I would ask you to become an en.wikipedia admin. Your idea is good, but not the proposed solution. Anyone with editinterface can add a blurb on the banned usernames when users sign up, after all. Leaderboard (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi! Well, if there was an 'admin-only' criterion for this tool, you have my assurances that I would not have applied; I'm not sure my competence would not have been questioned :) but as I say, it would be nice to do something for those new editors, who, blocked for a username concern, then make multiple unblock requests to no avail. The experience could so easily be sufficiently off-putting for them that they never edit again. Or at least are put off editing as much as they might otherwise have done. This would be a shame for the project—indeed, the movement more broadly—as who knows what they might have brought to it.Do you know what I mean? ——SerialNumber54129 16:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose following up on the "become an admin" commentary above, it looks like the last time you attempted in 2019 (in the now deleted w:en:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Serial Number 54129 request) your primary goal was to further an administrative controversy. As your goal is to primarily only use this for your homewiki, in cases where admins may be needed - that seems at odds right now. Suggest you come back if you become a homewiki sysop and want to engage in this area. — xaosflux Talk 18:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose as you're requesting the right in order to carry out an administrative duty without being an administrator. — csc-1 22:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well-experienced user that definitely knows what they're doing and capable of using the tool. It's unfortunate this right is apparently being arbitrarily restricted to admins which is completely not required in the the official policy of the access. If it's, we should just be forthright and mention it there. – Ammarpad (talk) 20:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Ammarpad: I'm not opposing because they're not an admin, I'm opposing because they're requesting access in order to deal with unblock requests, which only admins can process. If they express otherwise, then I'd change my vote. — csc-1 22:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I can't see much your reports for usernames on UAA in the last 1 year [2]. If non-admin users deal with username reports, I would like to give them a chance, but I don't have any data to give you a chance. --Uncitoyentalk 14:24, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Neriah (talk) 18:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Althrough global rename tool is not bound to adminship in any way, adminship is the basic way to prove some level of trustworthiness at one's own home wiki. I don't think it's wise to grant GR access to someone who's not an admin anywhere. --Martin Urbanec (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose --Ferien (talk) 20:33, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Would like to see OP apply for adminship somewhere first. -FASTILY 22:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Dam222 (talk) 14:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Ts12rAc (talk) 18:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support- कन्हाई प्रसाद चौरसिया (talk) 18:54, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Not done Consensus is very unlikely to form in 3 days and it's been a while since the last comment. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 08:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Global rename for acagastya
- Wiki: meta.wikimedia.org (list 'crats • bot policy • summary • 'crats rights)
- User: acagastya (talk • edits • logs • UserRights • activity • CentralAuth • email • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 23 May 2021 06:14 UTC
Hi, I have been seeing both CptViraj and Deepfriedokra handle rename requests multiples times a day (via the RC), indicating there is a backlog and the GRQ could use some help. I would like to volunteer and help out. I am a member of OC, an agent of VRT, LR and rollbacker on Commons and hold admin, I-admin, reviewer and accredited reporter bits on enwn. If granted the permissions, I will help reduce the backlog here.
acagastya 06:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support irrespective of the backlog (which I cannot see, and I'm not sure ombuds can either?) as a capable user as someone who sees him all the time on Wikinews, with a note that you could handle some things better than what you do right now. Leaderboard (talk) 07:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the support, @Leaderboard:. Re the backlog, no, even ombuds can't see, but I was told by CptViraj, there are ~100 requests a day in the queue.
acagastya 13:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)- I hadn't counted but had guessed, after counting I found that we don't get that many requests, it's 30-40 requests daily. Sorry for the wrong number. But we get queue backlogged (100+ open requests = backlog) every few days because of inactive/not very active renamers and variety of rename requests from different-different wikis. -- CptViraj (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the support, @Leaderboard:. Re the backlog, no, even ombuds can't see, but I was told by CptViraj, there are ~100 requests a day in the queue.
- Support I have no reason for oppose because a trusted user is on Wikimedia projects who is volunteer user for this work. --Uncitoyentalk 13:59, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Admin on enwn, an ombud, trusted user wants to help so why not? Little to no renaming clerking experience but as said previously "this is something user can learn on the job". Thanks for volunteering. -- CptViraj (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Thanks for volunteering. — csc-1 15:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Ferien (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Neriah (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Zabe (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support I see no issues. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Sgd. —Hasley 20:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support- Dam222 (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support Sure! --Superpes15 (talk) 00:29, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Reliable, trustworthy, omby, etc. Thanks for volunteering, Vermont (talk) 02:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Very much a helpful and friendly personality. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat [ contribs | talk ] 03:57, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Minoraxtalk 05:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Tmv (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support -FASTILY 22:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Jianhui67 talk★contribs 09:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Geonuch (talk) 13:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support--Turkmen talk 00:59, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Hamish 09:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Of course, per my usual criterion of sysop on medium to large size wiki should be given the access, they are an admin on enwikinews (can be debated if it is a medium size wiki but I think it can qualify). OC member is clearly trusted. Why not grant them this access, I am sure they won't abuse it per my interactions with them which they seems to have clue. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 15:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support--Ts12rAc (talk) 18:04, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support- कन्हाई प्रसाद चौरसिया (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support ‐‐1997kB (talk) 01:38, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Very helpful editor. --C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 02:18, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - highly trustworthy editor. --Ixfd64 (talk) 17:52, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Reliable. DARIO SEVERI (talk) 09:00, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support -- MdsShakil (talk) 11:44, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support According to profile, suitable candidate. chansey message? 22:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support--May♡♡→♡℃※Talk 23:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support JavaHurricane 09:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Requests for global IP block exemption
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Global IP block exempt for शब्दशोधक
- Global user: शब्दशोधक (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
This is an account of User:SodhakSH (I already have this right there, but because of an incident earlier, I want to be very safe and I don't use that a/c on public connections/devices) which I use for editing from public connections (not very frequently just sometimes). For safety, I use VPN/TOR while doing so but then I can't edit Wiktionary. If this could be granted, it would really be helpful. Thanks and regards, शब्दशोधक (talk) 14:26, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- @शब्दशोधक and SodhakSH: Not done + GIPBE for main account revoked, after consulting with two other stewards. You were revoked GIPBE by User:MarcoAurelio under your old username. Several months later, you requested to be globally renamed to SodhakSH, and shortly after, you requested and received a GIPBE under the new name.
- This is not what I would expect a person who were revoked rights for sockpuppetry block to do to regain trust.
- Feel free to request the rights again, this time clearly linking to the history of your account(s). --Martin Urbanec (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Martin Urbanec: I can elaborate on the sock puppetry block. I hadn't done it. It happened due to my carelessness. I had left my devices and account unlocked and then a friend of mine did the vandalism. I wasn't even there at the time. It has now been 7 months since that (the block was given on 23rd November) and I've made sure nothing happened like that again. You can see my [wikt:Special:Contributions/SodhakSH|Wiktionary contributions]] for my trustworthiness. And I requested global rename not for my history/block/gipbe, it was merely for changing it to Latin script making it easier to login. Here's the block link. Thanks. शब्दशोधक (talk) 02:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- @शब्दशोधक In that case, why was there no link to the previous removal when you re-requested GIPBE, to allow the granting steward process the request in-context? And, why did you create an account with non-latin script to use "to edit from public connections"? I would expect typing non-latin username on a public computer to be more difficult than typing it on your own computer (but maybe I'm wrong). Martin Urbanec (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Linking [3], [4] @Martin Urbanec: There was no link to the previous removal because you had already linked that. It's easy to enter "शब्दशोधक" from any device since I just go check the redirects to any of my subpage and copy the username and paste it. Anyways, it was created mainly because some users were still pinging me there and I couldn't see (and respond) to them. I just thought of also using it for public connections/devices quite recently to maintain the safety of the main a/c and put it to some use. I would also explain 3 more actions here: A) on 22nd August, 2020, I was blocked for a week for removing things I was unsure of directly instead of rfv: like I blanked अगार as I was not sure it was a valid spelling of Sanskrit आगार. I was a newbie back then and unfamiliar with most things. I didn't even know how to reply to my own talk page. B) on 9th January, 2021, I was given the extended mover right. Then I went to wikt:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion to help delete some pages. I had no idea the deleting these pages by moving would be considered as "abusing" the right. Hence the right was removed. I then had an e-mail correspondence with an local en.wikt admin about that how I should be careful with mistakes and such topics. Ever since then, I have been extra careful not to repeat anything. I had the gipbe for almost 1 and a half months until you revoked that: note that nothing wrong/error/abuse happened and I made as many contributions as I normally did in this time. Again, see my Wiktionary contributions and the pages I have created there (in mainspace). Thanks. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 15:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- I was refering to your previous GIPBE request, Steward_requests/Global_permissions/2021-03#Global_IP_block_exempt_for_SodhakSH, not this one. There's no comment authored by me, and no link to the previous revocation either. I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to grant GIPBE at this point, especially considering it's a GIPBE granted in order to be able to use VPN (ie. an exemption from the NOP policy). The explanation provided looks like guided by en:WP:BRO.
- Revocation of GIPBE as well as declining this request was discussed with two other stewards (including AmandaNP as the granting steward), which means three stewards support closing this as Not done. Updating status again (@Leaderboard: fyi for [5]). Martin Urbanec (talk) 11:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Linking [3], [4] @Martin Urbanec: There was no link to the previous removal because you had already linked that. It's easy to enter "शब्दशोधक" from any device since I just go check the redirects to any of my subpage and copy the username and paste it. Anyways, it was created mainly because some users were still pinging me there and I couldn't see (and respond) to them. I just thought of also using it for public connections/devices quite recently to maintain the safety of the main a/c and put it to some use. I would also explain 3 more actions here: A) on 22nd August, 2020, I was blocked for a week for removing things I was unsure of directly instead of rfv: like I blanked अगार as I was not sure it was a valid spelling of Sanskrit आगार. I was a newbie back then and unfamiliar with most things. I didn't even know how to reply to my own talk page. B) on 9th January, 2021, I was given the extended mover right. Then I went to wikt:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion to help delete some pages. I had no idea the deleting these pages by moving would be considered as "abusing" the right. Hence the right was removed. I then had an e-mail correspondence with an local en.wikt admin about that how I should be careful with mistakes and such topics. Ever since then, I have been extra careful not to repeat anything. I had the gipbe for almost 1 and a half months until you revoked that: note that nothing wrong/error/abuse happened and I made as many contributions as I normally did in this time. Again, see my Wiktionary contributions and the pages I have created there (in mainspace). Thanks. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 15:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- @शब्दशोधक In that case, why was there no link to the previous removal when you re-requested GIPBE, to allow the granting steward process the request in-context? And, why did you create an account with non-latin script to use "to edit from public connections"? I would expect typing non-latin username on a public computer to be more difficult than typing it on your own computer (but maybe I'm wrong). Martin Urbanec (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Martin Urbanec: I can elaborate on the sock puppetry block. I hadn't done it. It happened due to my carelessness. I had left my devices and account unlocked and then a friend of mine did the vandalism. I wasn't even there at the time. It has now been 7 months since that (the block was given on 23rd November) and I've made sure nothing happened like that again. You can see my [wikt:Special:Contributions/SodhakSH|Wiktionary contributions]] for my trustworthiness. And I requested global rename not for my history/block/gipbe, it was merely for changing it to Latin script making it easier to login. Here's the block link. Thanks. शब्दशोधक (talk) 02:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Global IP block exempt for LuciferianThomas
- Global user: LuciferianThomas (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
Hello stewards, I spend a lot of my time using a VPN, however the IP range my VPN connected to is globally blocked. I am a trusted user at Chinese Wikipedia and Wikiversity, with IPBE, rollback on zhwiki and temp sysop on zhwikiversity. I would like to request for a GIPBE for more convenient access to all Wikimedia projects while connected to VPN. Thanks a lot, --LuciferianThomas • Talk 06:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Requests for 2 Factor Auth tester permissions
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2FA Tester for Édouard
- Global user: Édouard (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
Hello, I've read the Help page article and would like to activate the ability to use 2FA, to ensure my wikipedia account is kept to best security practices. Thanks! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.101.44.233 (talk) 03:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- If you are the user in question, please log in. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)- Not done No response. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 08:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
2FA Tester for Pseudoelvis
- Global user: Pseudoelvis (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
Hi there, I have read the Help page and would like to enable 2FA on my account. I have taken all precautions to ensure my credentials are unique. Thanks, --Pseudoelvis (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Done -- Amanda (aka DQ) 08:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Requests for other global permissions
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abusefilter-helper for Hasley
- Global user: Hasley (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 22 May 2021 23:53 UTC
Hello everyone, I am Hasley. I am requesting AFH rights in order to be able to view private GAF log entries—which I patrol regularly—without needing to come to Meta from wikis where I do not have (global) sysop access. I also have been working on developing filters against a couple of LTAs that have caused severe disruption on eswiki (namely, GRP and Joaquinito01). Having access to the AF code of other projects, particularly the specific filters, would help greatly. Sgd. —Hasley 23:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Trusted editor valid need. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 04:27, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support, I don't see any problems, trusted user. -- CptViraj (talk) 05:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support as someone who finds AFH very helpful for this purpose. Leaderboard (talk) 07:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Zabe (talk) 09:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support, Trusted user -- MdsShakil (talk) 11:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support valid rationale, trusted user => sure. --Martin Urbanec (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Neriah (talk) 13:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support--𝐖𝐢𝐤𝐢𝐁𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐫 👤💬 16:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Trusted user, no concerns. --Uncitoyentalk 16:19, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support no concerns. — xaosflux Talk 01:25, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Track record would indicate Hasley (wow, I had been reading it as Halsey all this time!) will use it responsibly and well.
acagastya 08:34, 17 May 2021 (UTC) - Support trusted user with a valid reason. — csc-1 15:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support trusted user- कन्हाई प्रसाद चौरसिया (talk) 15:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Abuse filter maintainer for Leaderboard
- Global user: Leaderboard (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 24 May 2021 06:59 UTC
I'm running into cases where multiple wikis have requested that I add/modify/comment on private filters, which I cannot do as an AFH (where I can only see them). Explicit examples include (I've also been asked to help, or have helped, on some other wikis):
I was wondering, as a result, whether I could get AFM. For reference, I do indeed satisfy the requirements, as someone who has modified filters for Wikibooks and MediaWiki. Note that I expect to use this permission only sparingly in general (because this right is supposed to be used only on the request of the community), but when needed I expect it to be very useful. Thanks in advance.
P.S: do let me know if I should be applying for something else, I don't think there's an alternative in my case but I could be wrong. --Leaderboard (talk) 06:59, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support Leaderboard is working with abuse filter on home wikis according to the logs. He/she contact with users on other wikis about abusefilter as I see sometimes. Already is a global abuse filter helper, so I think Leaderboard might help on this issue. --Uncitoyentalk 09:42, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support trusted user- कन्हाई प्रसाद चौरसिया (talk) 16:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Given their manner of interacting with other users I would rather not give them a global right where communication skills are required. --Rschen7754 18:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Besides [6] and [7], User:Leaderboard/GS attempts shows a bull-in-the-china-shop approach to working with medium-sized wikis. Also see [8], [9], [10]. Sorry, but quite frankly this would be a PR nightmare for Meta (not that it isn't already). --Rschen7754 18:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Rschen7754: Sigh. For the interaction aspect, I have actually made an explicit note on my userpage with respect to communication. As a non-native speaker I am well aware that I am not the best in translating my thoughts to words, and I did apologise for that one mistake that was pointed out then (your second link). If there are further mistakes I've made, please let me know - I try my best in that aspect.
- And can I know what mistake I've made with my GS attempts page? For every single wiki in that list, I have done due process - explaining the benefits of having global sysops around, answering the concerns or questions of anyone at that wiki, and being very clear that it is the community's decision and not mine. Personally I think my attempt is a good thing instead, for different reasons. If you think I should not be doing I would appreciate if you could let me know why on my talk page (linking from here if necessary) so that I can reconsider if needed. Leaderboard (talk) 18:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- The ability to effectively communicate across different cultures and languages is a requirement for most global roles. I'll admit that I am a native English speaker - but most stewards are not and they somehow are able to communicate with other communities in an effective manner. It is certainly within my rights under "due process" to go to en.wikipedia and ask if they want to be part of the global sysop group. Whether that is a wise thing to ask is another. Because medium-sized communities, especially those with CUs, can see this as an attempted power grab, you need to be very careful if you make such a request, and point to a specific problem that needs solving. On the contrary, many of your comments especially on en.wikisource were borderline combative and badgering, bludgeoning the discussion. --Rschen7754 00:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- tl;dr: you can't argue a wiki into the global sysop group. --Rschen7754 00:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Rschen7754:
- I don't know what more I can do with respect to your communication concern. I know I made a mistake, I have freely apologised for it and even disclosed my weakness on my user page. The AUC (area under the curve) of my precision-recall graph in communication is lower than yours at the very least, and the reason for that has not only to do with my being non-native EN, but other historical factors I am unable to disclose at this time (except that the concerns you raised are true outside of wikiland, and hence I hope you understand the difficulty I face).
- As for your second point, en.wikipedia is one of the few communities that has a large enough admin population to support itself (though I'd still support such a proposal if someone comes up with one). It is a firm belief of mine that most wikis in the opt-out list will benefit from global sysops, and I'm seeing wikis with >= 50 sysops benefit from GS. Notice that for medium-sized wikis, global sysops are unlikely to make use of their rights most of the time, however, when they do need it becomes very helpful. I've been trying to be careful while discussing this with wiki communities, and would welcome any feedback to improve on that aspect. "combative and badgering" was not my intention at all - I try to sense when it becomes clear that a community does not want GS, and leave them at that point. But then I do also need to clear some misconceptions about global sysops that people raise - keeping this balance is tricky. Leaderboard (talk) 08:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Rschen7754:
- Besides [6] and [7], User:Leaderboard/GS attempts shows a bull-in-the-china-shop approach to working with medium-sized wikis. Also see [8], [9], [10]. Sorry, but quite frankly this would be a PR nightmare for Meta (not that it isn't already). --Rschen7754 18:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Comment It is good that you are assisting wikis with AF interpretation. I would note that you have asked today to exclude a specific IP address from a global filter, and typically I would not think that is something that we would be wanting to do unless truly truly truly necessary. Occasional FPs are okay where there is no harm being done. If users have to modify some of their behaviour on some occasions, I am okay with that in non-content spaces with certain filters.
We're probably at the point with this growing community (c.2014 Stewards => c.2018 Stew + Meta admin => 2020 Stew + Meta admin + AFM) to set out some principles and expectations for those undertaking the global AF role. To now it has been somewhat implicit and come from people familiar or practised in global roles. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
abusefilter-helper for LPfi
- Global user: LPfi (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
I would like to nominate LPfi for the 'helper role. They are an admin at English Wikivoyage who writes and follows its abusefilters and its logs. They are having the need to look at our global rules as they impact their wikil that wiki has that local requirement rather than having to always come and ask about any issue from the global space. Local admin at enVoy since 2018, knows their way around an abusefilter. Also admin at svWP, svWB and has been editing WMF for 12 years. I do not see an issue with knowledge, competence or trust. Also will help with their local management of xwiki LTAs to view other filters that we have in our LTA management. -- — billinghurst sDrewth 11:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Just noting that I do accept the nomination and that I'd be glad to answer any questions. –LPfi (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support - As fellow en.wikivoyage sysop, I have complete faith in LPfi's ability and trustworthiness.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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